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    I hit my noggin many times while mountain biking....I think?


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    I'm glad I'm old now, don't go fast enough to hurt myself.

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    I suffered my third concussion this summer...this TBI is going to last about a year before I see major improvements. No long term damage supposedly.

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    Re: I hit my noggin many times while mountain biking....I think?

    My worst fear frankly.

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    Just the price of being a totally core badass brah.

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    I've broken 3 helmets in 24 years of mountain biking. I don't think I got a concussion in any of them, but I always thought to myself that I'm glad I'm wearing a lid as I was breaking it.

    I think my head was rocked more this year when I switched from FS and rode a hardtail all year. That f'n hurt my brain a bit after 2 hours into the ride. I began to wonder if all that bouncing was good from my brain. It's rocky out here, kudos to all you guys who can ride hardtails for 3 hours +. I just ordered up FS for next year.
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    I hit my noggin many times while mountain biking....I think?

    That's a chilling article.

    I have to agree that with modern bikes we tend to ride harder than before. My Tallboy LTc is a phenomenal terrain eater and I can rider faster and harder than ever before. But in the last year I have crashed more times than in the prior seven years on my prior (mid 90s XC) bike.

    Luckily for me I tend to crash at slow to moderate speeds. It's when I'm not 100% focused is when I lose it. I don't remember a crash occurring while ripping it full bore. Perhaps because I knocked myself out .

    Seriously though, the closest to that was on Spingbrook about a year or so ago. That was my biggest recent crash. Wiped out at about 20mph. Slammed my body into a rock and cut up my leg, chest, shoulder and chin. Also punctured, but did not break, my helmet in that one. From the hole in the helmet I'm glad I was wearing it.

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    ok let's roll

    If you remember this clip you survived many a ride as a kid without a helmet.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TheNormsk View Post
    That's a chilling article.

    I have to agree that with modern bikes we tend to ride harder than before. My Tallboy LTc is a phenomenal terrain eater and I can rider faster and harder than ever before. But in the last year I have crashed more times than in the prior seven years on my prior (mid 90s XC) bike.

    Luckily for me I tend to crash at slow to moderate speeds. It's when I'm not 100% focused is when I lose it. I don't remember a crash occurring while ripping it full bore. Perhaps because I knocked myself out .

    Seriously though, the closest to that was on Spingbrook about a year or so ago. That was my biggest recent crash. Wiped out at about 20mph. Slammed my body into a rock and cut up my leg, chest, shoulder and chin. Also punctured, but did not break, my helmet in that one. From the hole in the helmet I'm glad I was wearing it.

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    Agreed! In 20 years of riding I have broken exactly one helmet, but in the last three years I have been to the ER twice for stitches, once for a cracked rib and this last one was the kicker. I crashed on the Porcupine Rim Singletrack and slammed my cheek into a rock fracturing it in three places and TBI to boot. A full face would have helped but who rides the whole enchilada in a full face? Not a scratch on my helmet. I am 9 weeks in to a recovery but the effects of TBI will be with me for a while.

    As you said my AM bike has expanded the bounds of what I did on my XC/trail bike a few years ago. Maybe its time to slow down? I only went to the ER once in the previous 16 years of riding. I will dial it back a bit from now on since TBI is a bigger deal than I have given it credit before. I skateboarded as a kid without a helmet and survived a couple of concussions. This one at age 40 is a much bigger deal.

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    There should be a tread dedicated to xrays from the Moab ER.

    They used to have a map on the wall with pins in it where various incident occurred. Don't know if that made it to the new place.
    Since when did Need have anything to do with this?

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    I am not sure we can blame it on the newer bikes and higher speeds, you still have to calculate what you can and can not do. It should be a progression and not just jumping straight into the deep end. Heal up fast Wilsonblur..

    I ride faster and doing more every year at 44, going to Whistler yearly but.. I stay on the bike lots and don't feel like I take big chances, but continually progress slowly.

    I have had a couple bike related concussions, but they were back in the 90's when I was learning (and a bike broke under me). I do crash here and there, but usually know how to fall these days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by billybobzia View Post
    I am not sure we can blame it on the newer bikes and higher speeds, you still have to calculate what you can and can not do. It should be a progression and not just jumping straight into the deep end. Heal up fast Wilsonblur..

    I ride faster and doing more every year at 44, going to Whistler yearly but.. I stay on the bike lots and don't feel like I take big chances, but continually progress slowly.

    I have had a couple bike related concussions, but they were back in the 90's when I was learning (and a bike broke under me). I do crash here and there, but usually know how to fall these days.
    Thanks for the well wishes. I don't think anyone was blaming it on the bikes exactly. Its taking higher risks with the style of riding that comes with the AM bike. I am a better rider now at 40 than I was before but I am riding lines that have much greater consequences than before. I ride in my limits pretty well but little mistakes are costly. You are correct in pointing us to riding in our abilities. I generally work up in progression as you said. We all know that guy who rides out of his ability. Correct gear also helps, pads would have prevented both sets of stitches. This crash in Moab had nothing to do with limits but rather due to changing trail conditions. There's a blind drop that I have hit every year that the transitioned landing had washed out leaving about 18" of landing space and another 24" drop. I bailed at the top landed horizontally face hitting a 24" rock. Not a scratch anywhere else. I think even if we work hard at progressing up we are still vulnerable to greater injury than just trail riding.
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    I burned in at Centennial Cone on Labor Day. Was heading clockwise from the rock cropping/outlook towards the bridge. I was chasing down my buddy in front of me (he had blazed out of sight) and had another friend following behind me a bit. I awoke to find myself trying to pull myself to my feet and back onto the trail but remember not being able to stand up. My friend pulling up the rear found me lying unconscious in the middle of the trail. He was able to get me back awake and being the “stubborn old guy” that I am, I wanted to ride ahead to catch the lead rider and try to ride it out back to the Mayhem Gulch trail head. On the way up the switchbacks from the bridge I was having a lot of pain in my side and had to stop to try to catch my breath. I guess I passed out as I woke up to my friends standing over top of me telling me that help was on the way. The fire department had to help me out to the dirt road by the homestead where an ambulance was waiting for me. Ended up breaking two ribs, puncturing a lung, and a concussion. Stayed overnight in the hospital and went back to work two days after the accident. I did not realize how hard I had hit my head until trying to perform at work. Very hard as short term memory was a problem for awhile. Also my balance was a bit of a problem specially when riding in the dark. Looking ahead at the lit up trail, then glancing off trail into the darkness then back ahead to the lit up trail would leave me dizzy for a few seconds. Everything seems to have gotten back to normal over the months since the wreck. I still do not have any idea what happened that day but I do know that I hope I don’t hit my head like that again! Getting ready to turn 50 in about a month and it has made me turn the throttle back a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scar View Post
    . Also my balance was a bit of a problem specially when riding in the dark. Looking ahead at the lit up trail, then glancing off trail into the darkness then back ahead to the lit up trail would leave me dizzy for a few seconds. Everything seems to have gotten back to normal over the months since the wreck. I still do not have any idea what happened that day but I do know that I hope I don’t hit my head like that again! Getting ready to turn 50 in about a month and it has made me turn the throttle back a bit.

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    This is the part of TBI that is challenging. Glad you are improving. I still get dizzy easily. I did a night ride with my buddy's at GM and I looked like I was a five year old who just learned to ride. I couldn't ride straight and my balance was so off. The symptoms hang around for a while. I still get nauseous, dizzy, short term memory problems and have trouble focusing. It sure takes a while to recover from this stuff.
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    I had two concussions when I was a little kid ~ 4 years old. Then nothing until a few years back when I had my worst crash ever.. and I wasn't wearing a helmet. I was knocked out for a good 2-4 mins (landed on my head when I messed up a jump). Initially I couldn't remember anything that had happened in the last six months. It felt like I was waking up from a coma.

    My face was so swollen that the ER did not notice that my nose was broken. That was expensive to get fixed after the fact.

    I got back on the bike about a month later and I didn't notice any ill effects with balance etc. In fact, there was no pain with the injury at all.

    About a year ago, I hit a tree head on riding the moto. It was low speed, but the bike (250lb) rammed me into that tree pretty good. I didn't pass out, but I was pretty freaked at the time since I was alone and there was not much light left.

    I want to live a full life and enjoy myself and I accept the risks. Bad things can happen even when you're sitting on the couch.

    I was at the Brown Burro cafe (Fairplay) earlier this year and I saw a large board fall from the ceiling and hit an old lady right on the head.

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    Craig hospital is full of people just out having a good time.

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    ...and the morgue is full of people who were just driving along.
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    Quote Originally Posted by element1 View Post
    I suffered my third concussion this summer...this TBI is going to last about a year before I see major improvements. No long term damage supposedly.
    According to whom? The problem with long-term damage assessment regarding multiple concussions, is until recently this took an autopsy to determine (tau protein deposition). Unless you've had the PET scan (latest thing), there's just no way to know. Personally, my Parkinsonism (hardly my first long-term symptom, that would be the 15 years of cluster headaches) didn't start until August 2012, over a decade after my 8th (or possibly 9th or 10th) concussion, don't mean to scare anyone other than be sure to always ride with a helmet.

    Chronic traumatic encephalopathy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Scientists Find Way To Trace Concussion-Related Tau Proteins In Former NFL Players

    I've been having excellent results from l-dopa, for my myriad symptoms, but this treatment has yet to get much press. It's been a lifesaver for me, a year ago the last thing I could've done was get a puppy and get back on the bike, as I was just trying to make it from one day to the next without killing myself from the extreme pain in my legs (nothing wrong with my legs, "it's all in my head").

    Anyways, sometimes I don't make much sense for a guy who got 1440 on his SATs and (once upon a time anyway) an IQ over 120, tried reading The Hobbit earlier today but got bogged down on page 83 for like, two hours. I guess my message for some of y'all is, try to learn how to have fun without the adrenaline buzz. Today's athletic gear allows folks to easily exceed their skill level, this is one reason I've stuck with my full-rigid bike (purchased from Full Cycle before Kaj's time), a little rattling and bouncing is nothing compared to the big boppers.
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    Sorry for your problems. I had a pretty bad concussion from a grenade when I was in the service many, many years ago. So far I have only had some mild short term memory problems. It is difficult to get young people to understand the consequences of seemingly minor injuries, especially concussions, as you age. The kids doing the slopestyle, redbull competitions, etc, will undoubtedly suffer as they grow into their middle and later ages. No one could have talked me out of joining the service when I was 18, because I was invincible.

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    Smashed 3 helmets in bad wrecks over the years and I know they work. Also did high contact sports from 12 years old into my 30s.

    For every one sports related traumatic head injury I see, I manage hundreds of other people dying from obesity and sedentary lifestyle related disease.


    Wear your helmet, keep moving, and quit worrying.

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    I think you just made my point for me. Quit worrying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miker J View Post
    For every one sports related traumatic head injury I see, I manage hundreds of other people dying from obesity and sedentary lifestyle related disease.


    Wear your helmet, keep moving, and quit worrying.
    Well said. My Dad said this about helmets "Got a $100 head? Buy a $100 helmet. Got a $500 head? Buy a $500 helmet." That was in the 1990s and he was referring to buying Arai motorcycle helmets but you get the idea.

    I've busted several helmets, never blacked out once.
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    Don't crash.

    Oh - and don't go "chasing down my buddy"... that's a bad idea. Especially if "my buddy" is IndecentExposure or FullTrucker. Just don't do it.

    That's all I got.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miker J View Post
    Wear your helmet, keep moving, and quit worrying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wilsonblur View Post
    I crashed on the Porcupine Rim Singletrack and slammed my cheek into a rock fracturing it in three places and TBI to boot. A full face would have helped but who rides the whole enchilada in a full face?
    bah, the face is a helluva crumple zone.

    I'll just add that wearing your helmet low and tight may help in certain situations. Get a helmet that has better coverage (i.e. POC) and gives you better angles of coverage.
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    You people really think that flimsy little bike helmet is going to keep your head safe, then go ahead and keep crashing into rocks at high speed. Check back with me when you are 60 and let me know how its going, if you can still remember who you are and where you are at. Go back and read the articles that lidarman referenced, might be worth your time. And really not sure what head injuries and a sedentary lifestyle or obesity have in common with each other. Oh well, quit worrying, it's just a head.

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