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    Hunters In Buffalo Creek

    So anyone who rides at bc knows there are tons of stupid rednecks that pull off at the side of the road and shoot up trash, trees and or even across shinglemill (another long story)

    Why in the world do they shoot where ever they want?

    I know it takes time to instill a game plan but i would love to see them enforce it too.

    Saturday I witnessed ignorance and stupidity like i have never seen before.
    There was a group of about 50 people sitting in the little scraggy trailhead at buffalo creek and we hear gun shots (super close) and i look over and i see a few deer running towards 126.

    I look over to the dirt road right by the giant sign that says no shooting and Cletus and his deliverance buddies have pulled off the side of the road and are shooting from their truck!!!

    My buddy starts screaming at them and using some choice words and they responded, "We ain't even shooting towards you"
    Those A$$ clowns were too stupid to realize that their stray bullets whizzed across a busy two lane paved road.

    I ran over on with my phone in my hand and he starts yelling at me, I smile and start reading his license plate number out loud to the 911 operator. I said i wanted to press charges and would love to testify and was hoping they would call me back when they catch them.

    I know there are tons of smart hunters out there but when you have idiots shooting at stuff right at the little scraggy traihead with tons of people biking and standing around it's time for some drastic measures.

    If anyone is out at bc and there are hunters or shooters being stupid please call 911 and report them. Every single call is documented and if we can get enough complaints the forest service might finally enforce the no shooting except at the gun ranges that they already have out there.

    It's great there is a sign out there at says "No shooting" but it needs to be enforced too.

    I sure hope it does not take a cyclist/hiker/equestrian getting shot to get this shooting to end.

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    you can shoot a gun anywhere you want on forest service land, no limitations what so ever, most counties, ie summit where I live it is legal to discharge a firearm anywhere you want in the county. towns are different

    On the other hand you cannot shoot from a car or across a road

    the police are not really go do anything about your call, I'll bet money on it.

    remember son your not in Jefferson county anymore, park county is alittle different kinda place, everytime I'm in park county I expect to see and hear guns

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    Time to bust out the bright orange jersey and avoid riding near dawn or dusk.

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    Dear Dad,
    When there is a big sign that says no shooting, I am guessing it means no shooting.
    I agree, the cops probably did nothing. It was funny to see them hop in their truck and fly out of there. Hopefully they think twice if this opportunity happens again.

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    remember son your not in Jefferson county anymore, park county is alittle different kinda place, everytime I'm in park county I expect to see and hear guns

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    Quote Originally Posted by ripper roo View Post
    remember son your not in Jefferson county anymore, park county is alittle different kinda place, everytime I'm in park county I expect to see and hear guns
    Funny, because from what I know...Little Scraggy trail head (and the majority of the Buffalo Creek trail system) sure is Jeff Co.

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    Thank you, cbrock450. That was incredibly brave and noble of you to take a stand against the lawbreakers. I appreciate your effort and have done the same (yelling at "morans" shooting semi-automatic weapons off Shinglemill near 543). The BC work center volunteers take that stuff seriously and might be able to get local authorities involved quickly, in some cases. They also will report and help get them ticketed, if they see it. I agree that the police probably won't do anything in this case, but ignoring it DEFINITELY will not help in any way. Thanks, again, for confronting armed dipsh*ts and letting them know we won't put up with their BS.

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    Interesting, saw the same thing in Fruita last week. Some geniuses were driving down 18 road firing from inside their truck. I called the sheriff's office, but they likely never sent a car out to investigate. At least it was reported and hopefully they can keep an eye out for such stupidity.

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    What time was that cbrock? We were heading over towards Chair Rocks maybe between 9 and 10 when we heard some shots. Close enough that I changed my brightly colored shirt to the top layer!

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    It was around 3 pm. There were people shooting all day long!!
    It's hunting season and that is the risk we take when we go out there but these guys were crossing the line.

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    What time was that cbrock? We were heading over towards Chair Rocks maybe between 9 and 10 when we heard some shots. Close enough that I changed my brightly colored shirt to the top layer!

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    You are welcome JSD303!
    One day we will look back and say. "Remember when people were allowed to shoot from the side of the road at BC?"

    With the Bailey Trails System in the works and IMBA naming BC as an epic trail destination spot it is just a matter of time before practice shooting will be outlawed.


    Quote Originally Posted by JSD303 View Post
    Thank you, cbrock450. That was incredibly brave and noble of you to take a stand against the lawbreakers. I appreciate your effort and have done the same (yelling at "morans" shooting semi-automatic weapons off Shinglemill near 543). The BC work center volunteers take that stuff seriously and might be able to get local authorities involved quickly, in some cases. They also will report and help get them ticketed, if they see it. I agree that the police probably won't do anything in this case, but ignoring it DEFINITELY will not help in any way. Thanks, again, for confronting armed dipsh*ts and letting them know we won't put up with their BS.

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    I almost always here gunfire when I go to Buff Creek. I've confronted people a few times, told then "I don't have anything against shooting, but you need to realize there are a lot of people out on the trails here and this isn't a good place to be playing with your guns".

    Buff Creek or any other highly used area where recreation is the emphasis should be a shooting free zone. Not to mention, almost everywhere you go that people use for shooting is full of trash, shot up trees, and cigarette butts.

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    We need to sacrifice a horse. If people think a horse got shot, there would be a crackdown on redneckery in the area for sure.

    If it's one of us (mtbr's) I'm afraid nothing will happen.

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    I had an interesting conversation with a hunter about blaze orange. He said it was stupid for hikers/bikers to be out in the forest without it this time of year. I said how would non-hunters even know it was hunting season? Ride all fall with a blaze orange vest?

    Besides, one of the first rules of shooting is be sure of your target and what's behind it. I think the responsibility absolutely lies with the hunter. But as described above; people are idiots and in this case these idiots had guns. I may ride with blaze orange in these types of areas from now on.
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    You wanna get better action? Call the DOW and report that. Video it with your phone. Get plate numbers.
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    I would call a Conservation officer but looking at the website it looks like they are dispatched through the local Sheriff or Colorado State Patrol so you did the right thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ithnu View Post
    I had an interesting conversation with a hunter about blaze orange. He said it was stupid for hikers/bikers to be out in the forest without it this time of year. I said how would non-hunters even know it was hunting season? Ride all fall with a blaze orange vest?

    Besides, one of the first rules of shooting is be sure of your target and what's behind it. I think the responsibility absolutely lies with the hunter. But as described above; people are idiots and in this case these idiots had guns. I may ride with blaze orange in these types of areas from now on.
    I had one instance back in Wyoming where my White helmet (could have been my face I suppose) darting through the trees was mistaken for the rear end of a deer by a hunter who was a terrible shot thankfully.

    Fluorescent colors, wear a bell or hell make enough noise and you might discourage hunting in that area

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    When I lived in crested butte, there were a couple trails (near strand) that I wore loud colors and sang even louder. Definitley don't wear the deer antler helmet. Can get scary sometimes for sure.

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    Hunting season = I have a bit of extra weight in my pack so I can shoot back...... ave to keep the redneck image up after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggs View Post
    We need to sacrifice a horse. If people think a horse got shot, there would be a crackdown on redneckery in the area for sure.

    If it's one of us (mtbr's) I'm afraid nothing will happen.
    If one of use are shot, I am certain that something will happen.....an annual celebration by the horse and hiker crowd.
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    We also took a picture of his license plate. I was told that a forest service employee can write him a ticket if we have his license plate and he said if he can read the plate the ticket will go out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hitechredneck View Post
    Hunting season = I have a bit of extra weight in my pack so I can shoot back...... ave to keep the redneck image up after all.
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    There are jerks in the hunting crowd and the mtb crowd as well. Difference is hunters can make deadly mistakes. Hunting season is pretty much year round for a lot of different species so everyone needs to be alert to the dangers. I would suggest that especially in the fall when big game season is on that people wear bright orange vests. They are light and very easy to see. If the area you are riding in is open for hunting then they have every right to be in that area, so even though we might not like it, that's the way it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ripper roo View Post
    you can shoot a gun anywhere you want on forest service land
    Not exactly. You have to be at least 150 yards from any road, trail or developed site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ithnu View Post
    I had an interesting conversation with a hunter about blaze orange. He said it was stupid for hikers/bikers to be out in the forest without it this time of year. I said how would non-hunters even know it was hunting season? Ride all fall with a blaze orange vest?

    Besides, one of the first rules of shooting is be sure of your target and what's behind it. I think the responsibility absolutely lies with the hunter. But as described above; people are idiots and in this case these idiots had guns. I may ride with blaze orange in these types of areas from now on.
    When you're lying on the side of the trail with a stray bullet in your back, I doubt you'll be too worried about who's responsibility it is or was. Preventative maintenance is the best bet for this case.

    Also, know your laws people. I'm pretty sure its illegal to fire a weapon from within a vehicle, and I also found this:

    Can I shoot a firearm in a National Forest? YES. However, there are federal regulations.

    A firearm may not be discharged in the following National Forest areas:

    1. Within 150 yards of a residence, building, campsite, developed recreation site, or occupied area; or

    2. Across or on a Forest Development road or an adjacent body of water, or in any manner or place whereby any person or property is exposed to injury or damage as a result of such discharge; or

    3. Into or within any cave. [36 CFR 261.10 (d)]

    Note: Some forest or districts have additional restrictions on discharging a firearm. You are advised to check with the authorities in the areas you will be visiting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lubes17319 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRage43 View Post
    When you're lying on the side of the trail with a stray bullet in your back, I doubt you'll be too worried about who's responsibility it is or was. Preventative maintenance is the best bet for this case.
    Uh yeah, that's why I said I may start riding with blaze orange on in NF in the fall. I would think about who's responsibility it was if I was shot; as in "the idiot who did this needs to go to jail because I don't look a thing like a deer".
    You have just been mentally Rick Roll'd. Yup you're thinking about it right now aren't you? Don't fight it.

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    I have seen people shooting across the CO Trl on the east side of 126. We saw some deer running through an open area and thought it was pretty cool, until we got around the bend and saw about a half dozen orange vests about 1/4 mile away, near the road. That was a few years ago, and expeciallt this time of year, whether riding in BC or on CO Trl heding back towards the Platte, I always encounter people with rifles.

    An orange helmet sock/cover would be the way to go.

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    none of you guys have been shot at before?

    come on, get real, get over yourselves, it's actually a nice rush, how quick can you hit the deck?

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    Actually, I've dodged a drive-by in LA in the late 80s and it wasn't a nice rush, nozzle. When a sawed off is pointed in your direction and people around you are hit, it isn't all that fun or funny.

    But, if that's what you consider a nice rush, funny man, then I'll gladly provide those for you anytime you like. You wanna get "real" now, or just keep talking stupid?

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    I have been shot, it's not fun or funny.

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    As mentioned before it's illegal to shoot across a road and from your car/truck.

    There is a least one shooting range in Buffalo Creek area.

    I don't have any issue with responsible target practice or hunting. But for F's sake clean up your sh!t. All the established shoot areas in Pike look like a dump - shells & brass everywhere, shot up trees and other junk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ripper roo View Post
    none of you guys have been shot at before?

    come on, get real, get over yourselves, it's actually a nice rush, how quick can you hit the deck?
    Not even the least bit funny. Down on the Limbaugh trail by Mt Herman we regularly have bullets zing over our heads and on occasion actually lodge into trees. It's a scary and sobering experience, and has happened much to often. They are not directly trying to shoot at you, they're just not aware of your presence on the trails.

    The only person who can ticket them is the LEO, and for us in the Springs, their is only one of them for a huge district (El Paso and Teller, maybe more?). If alcohol is present, then he cannot do anything, since that would be dealt with by the Sheriff.

    Myself, family, friends, hikers (with kids), volunteers during trail days, forest service workers, etc., have all had the issue, and not much can be done, since legally they aren't in the wrong. On occasion the LEO can catch them and write tickets for safety reasons. We got one shooting range closed because it directly pointed down range at the trails and was so heavily trashed. We did a cleanup one day at the site and got 50 trash bags of debris, shells, etc., and then the FS came in and did additional work.

    I have also have been purposely shot at by an irate landowner when I was rock climbing near on his property (it was leased not owned).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ripper roo View Post
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    remember son your not in Jefferson county anymore, park county is alittle different kinda place, everytime I'm in park county I expect to see and hear guns
    Once spoke to the sheriff up there when he pulled up and wanted to know if we'd heard any shooting. He made it obvious that dealing with drunks shooting illegally in the BC area was one of his top priorities, and asked us to call immediately if we ever saw or heard anything. Most of the people shooting up there are from the Denver area.

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    How screwed would you be...

    if you actually caught a stray round in the further reachs of BC, beyond cell phone range, riding solo on at best a pair?
    My first aid kit is not at all prepared for that kind of injury.

    I alway expect to hear gunshots while riding BC, and I am seldom disappointed.
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    I don't mind a few extra lbs.... I carry a full size .45



    But I carry concealed (almost) everywhere I go.. So it's not really an issue for me to carry that full-sized hand cannon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollyw00d View Post
    But I carry concealed (almost) everywhere I go.. So it's not really an issue for me to carry that full-sized hand cannon.
    Ah crap...

    You have just been mentally Rick Roll'd. Yup you're thinking about it right now aren't you? Don't fight it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollyw00d View Post
    I don't mind a few extra lbs.... I carry a full size .45

    But I carry concealed (almost) everywhere I go.. So it's not really an issue for me to carry that full-sized hand cannon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleTrail View Post
    The NPS has tested tasers® at the Golden Gate National Recreation Area
    and has shown them to be quite effective at subduing belligerent pet
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    those things are sweet!


    I also don't carry to be a bad ass... I don't expose it or draw it without intent to kill. and I have no intent to kill a belligerent pet owner or someone ignorant of laws.
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    Oh come on guys your too serious, cut ripper roo some slack.....give war a chance (some have been there and know the rush he speaks of). lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by hitechredneck View Post
    Oh come on guys your too serious, cut ripper roo some slack.....give war a chance (some have been there and know the rush he speaks of). lol
    ya, and some people burn themselves with cigarettes but neither would I consider a "hoot"

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    Quote Originally Posted by ripper roo View Post
    none of you guys have been shot at before?

    come on, get real, get over yourselves, it's actually a nice rush, how quick can you hit the deck?
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    the best way to get an investigation and follow ups is to call the DOW game warden. they will do far more than the local authorities can or will.

    much appreciated that you made a stand. be careful though, guns make people more stupid than they already are!
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    Quote Originally Posted by zukrider View Post
    be careful though, guns make people more stupid than they already are!
    this. be careful out there. most shooters that I see tend to feel more gutsy when they have steel in their hands... where as most of the people who carry concealed try to avoid those conflicts because they don't want to draw, cause they understand the potential repercussions.

    Your best bet when interacting with someone who's illegally wielding steel is to just get their plate # and call it in.. don't risk confronting them.
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    I don't think most hunters and target shooters are antsy to shoot someone. I worry more about people who take a 2 hour class and then stick a 45 down there pants and go drinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brokefork View Post
    I don't think most hunters and target shooters are antsy to shoot someone. I worry more about people who take a 2 hour class and then stick a 45 down there pants and go drinking.
    Why would you worry about that? In the history of concealed carry, not a single crime or accidental shooting has been committed by someone with a legit CCP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mudge View Post
    Why would you worry about that? In the history of concealed carry, not a single crime or accidental shooting has been committed by someone with a legit CCP.
    That's right... not a single crime... just hundreds of them instead!

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    Quote Originally Posted by brokefork View Post
    I don't think most hunters and target shooters are antsy to shoot someone. I worry more about people who take a 2 hour class and then stick a 45 down there pants and go drinking.
    I agree. But I'm not saying they're antsy to shoot someone, I'm just saying that they feel and act like they're much tougher.

    Also:
    1. I don't drink. And back when I did, I certainly didn't carry when I had alcohol in my system.
    2. I'm not some yahoo who took a 2 hour class. I'm a disabled vet, ex-military man, who was trained to carry into combat and have my side arm always ready and available for protection of myself and/or my fellow soldiers, and now as a civilian to protect myself and my family.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JSD303 View Post
    That's right... not a single crime... just hundreds of them instead!

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    Thanks for sharing that info. I haven't had an opportunity to fully digest it, but a quick scan shows a few things. First, my earlier statement wasn't accurate. Second, the data is presented in a way as to mislead. For example, to count every gun-related crime in AZ as a CCP crime, just because every legal resident has the right to open carry is wrong. Plus, many of the incidents are double or triple counted across the various categories. Many (maybe most, but haven't read them all so I can't say for sure) are crimes of passion and the CCP wouldn't affect those incidents one way or another.

    The numbers are for the last five years. If you take out the multiple counts, instead looking at each incident only once and look at annual averages, the number is very low. Low enough as to be statistically insignificant. You have a far greater chance of suffering gun violence by a thug in Chicago than you do by a CCP gun owner throughout the entire country.

    While I misspoke earlier, I stand by the point I made: concern over potential gun violence by a CCP gun owner is unjustified. Unless you're going through a messy divorce or your wife catches you cheating on her, that is.

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    mudge - I'm not saying that all guns are bad or anything, and you make a couple interesting distinctions. I disagree with your assessment of the numbers, but those are open for interpretation. I do think it's absolutely fair to count gun-related crimes in AZ by people that commit them, because AZ made the law saying CCP is for everyone who can get a gun - that's the law, so those users ARE given a CCP by default. So counting crimes committed by those owners is just as fair as counting any other state that issues a CCP to a citizen. Again, the point wasn't that all gun-owning CCP owners are evil people - far from it. I just get annoyed when people use terms like never - always - not one - etc, when that's absolutely false. I certainly wasn't trying to outlaw guns with the numbers, just point out that many gun advocates throw out BS numbers to support their hobby - mostly because they are ignorant of the real numbers and repeat what they've heard or read on NRA propaganda pieces. I totally support the 2nd Amendment!

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