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    How to educate newbies and most importatly xc racers

    Riding off trail is not yielding. I went riding this weekend and I am amazed how many people, mostly racer types who ride off trail and assume this is acceptable. I saw a post on here where PBR explained to a guy that cutting trail is a giant no no and he chimed in and said he did not know and it won't happen again which is awesome. Lesson learned and we now have one less trail cutter on the trails.

    The guys and gals who are in team kits definitely know better and they are the ones who really infuriate me. These are not the top level teams where you call the team and complain, it's the teams where it probably does not matter who you call. I hate to ruin my ride when I must stop 5-7 people and call them out in a nice way what they are doing is wrong and will probably turn into and argument.
    Any suggestions? I don't want every trail turning into Lair of the Bear. Remember when that place actually had singletrack?
    Oh yeah....I am a xc racer and I am starting to realize why lots of riders don't care for us. I can't say i blame them!

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    I still pull the "Fruita lean" when I encounter riders coming (climbing) the other way but I'm pretty much done trying to educate the masses. I have no solution other than being responsible for myself and those I ride with.
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    I throw a stout stick through their front wheel.

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    I bet they don't have this problem in Arizona. Maybe we can plant some Cholla along our trails to keep people in-bounds.

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    XC racers? Petition Strava to add a feature that invalidates a KOM if they veer off trail.

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    Get outta my way bro I'm doin' Strava.

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    The serious responses sure are abundant here.

    In my opinion...and you know what my opinion means...keep saying what you say. Some people will take it respectfully, and some people won't. Maybe they won't at first, but then come to a realization later on. Remember how well the gashouse grouch saga turned out in the end? Slightly different scenario, but it involved yelling and turned out, legitimately, awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gearwhine View Post
    The serious responses sure are abundant here.
    Dude.. my suggestion provides a 100% fix for xc racers.

    The newbs on the other hand are actually teachable.

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    Do what you can to educate, but there will always be noobs who don't know better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jugdish View Post
    I still pull the "Fruita lean" when I encounter riders coming (climbing) the other way but I'm pretty much done trying to educate the masses. I have no solution other than being responsible for myself and those I ride with.
    Same here. When climbing, "that guy" descending who goes off trail around you isn't going to stop for a lesson in trail etiquette anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thump View Post
    Dude.. my suggestion provides a 100% fix for xc racers.

    The newbs on the other hand are actually teachable.
    Yes, because everyone XC racer and d0ucebag uses Strava and everyone using Strava is an inconsiderate d0ucebag.
    Just stick it in granny and start grinding.

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    1 Just talking about it/spreading the word in general with friends and riding buddies and social which builds awareness is a start. Peer pressure, that sort of thing.

    2 Information at trailheads will reach at least a few people.

    3 Getting the word out in publications/media

    4 Call out creators of bike porn that show and glorify people riding off trail for their part in contributing to irresponsible behavior

    5 Preach the gospel at events and races

    6 Some places may be able use some etiquette reminders out on the trails (Yes, I know, I hate a lot of trail clutter too but everything is a trade off).

    7. Calling people on it when possible in a firm but non confrontational way.
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    I try not to stress about these guys, most of them are roadies that also have a mountain bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    Yes, because everyone XC racer and d0ucebag uses Strava and everyone using Strava is an inconsiderate d0ucebag.
    I see sarcasm is hard for you.

    Sorry then, let me be literal: 99.572%

    I'm sure there's at least one out there that doesn't own a smartphone.

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    No, I understand sarcasm just fine but apparently you don't.
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    The Fruitians are fierce when it comes to staying on the trail. Maybe that's why they can have a hugely popular festival every year on the same trail network and keep it single. I like single track, if I wanted to ride double track I'd ride a cross bike....
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    Quote Originally Posted by jake7 View Post
    Same here. When climbing, "that guy" descending who goes off trail around you isn't going to stop for a lesson in trail etiquette anyway.
    NOt from a lesson from you anyway! How are you Jason?!
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    Good - back on the board to order up a new light from Scar and I got sucked in to browsing through a few threads. It's been a few years and I am so bummed to see there's some kind of "rep-meter" on here now and apparently I'm not very well endowed

    I see not much else has changed with MTBR - still d-bags riding off trail and those of us " in the know" still *****ing about 'em...
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    Tell them not to start any more Buffalo Creek threads on Mtbr.com

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    Let's flip the script for a moment... one thing that can really turn folks off is preachy trail nazis telling folks what to do and how to do it all the time. Last fall I was out putzing around on GM, going up as some girl was coming down. The particular section we were riding was pretty darn wide to begin with, way more than enough room. Regardless, as I don't like to spoil someone's downhill fun, I moved over for her. She had the audacity to ask me to make sure I stay on the trail. WTH? I was on the trail, just not the middle of the trail, AND she should've, by all rights, yielded to me. Nope, just got all preachy with me. Really harshed my mellow.

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    Part of the problem is the person yielding. Either they just ride off the edge instead of stopping, or they are still mostly blocking the trail when they do stop. How exactly are you supposed to go by them without either hitting the edge of the trail or brushing into them with your elbow/bars?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mudge View Post
    Let's flip the script for a moment... one thing that can really turn folks off is preachy trail nazis telling folks what to do and how to do it all the time. Last fall I was out putzing around on GM, going up as some girl was coming down. The particular section we were riding was pretty darn wide to begin with, way more than enough room. Regardless, as I don't like to spoil someone's downhill fun, I moved over for her. She had the audacity to ask me to make sure I stay on the trail. WTH? I was on the trail, just not the middle of the trail, AND she should've, by all rights, yielded to me. Nope, just got all preachy with me. Really harshed my mellow.
    I usually don't say rude stuff back but I am pretty sure my response would have been "and you can make sure to blow me".

    You are right, though. Preachy trail nazis are a turn off too everyone.
    Getting off in one random spot occasionally to allow a random rider pass does not destroy a trail or make it wider anyways. Now repeatedly doing it in the same spot or doing things like cutting corners or going around puddles does.

    Of course, that being said I will think twice from now on about going through puddles as a few weeks ago I was doing just that. Every puddle was an inch deep except for the one in where my 29" wheel literally sunk to the axle sending me over the bars. Couldn't move my arm at all the next day and 2 weeks later it is still sore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BamaCyclist View Post
    Part of the problem is...
    Dude, part of the problem is mountain bikers, by nature, are OCD control freaks. Most mountain bikers are highly educated and operate under the assumption that everyone else should know better.

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    IMO calling out a specific kind of rider won't do much since we all use the same trails... also because it seems that XC riders aren't the only ones with this issue.

    I think a good way to educate more riders is to put up a simple sign at the base of the trail (much like the riders yield to hikers sign) which states that descending riders need to yield climbers, and that trail cutting is not the solution. Something simple like this could potentially go a long way.

    Just my .02.

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    I wrestle with this dilemma often. As much as I want to try to share my opinion on the matter to those I think could benefit, I can't help but think how I would react to the interruption. Unless there's a reasonable opening, if they seem totally clueless (like the dude this weekend with the dreadlock helmet) and friendly, I just keep my mouth shut and try to show a good example.

    I think a good example is the best long-term option. It's how I've learned to be a better rider, by following people better than I. If you see somebody do something you don't do yourself it at least gets the brain wondering. The tough part is to willingly yield in a situation where it could go either way. I guess right now that's not such a bad thing, any weekend ride on an open trail now will likely be full of interruptions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    Of course, that being said I will think twice from now on about going through puddles
    Or just learn to pull up on the front wheel?

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    These work well not only for groups of 20 slowing you up but also these guys..
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    Quote Originally Posted by cbrock450 View Post
    Riding off trail is not yielding!
    I prefer to stay on trail and hit people with my 32" handlebars.
    Last edited by Penny; 04-29-2013 at 01:19 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by midget View Post
    The Fruitians are fierce when it comes to staying on the trail. Maybe that's why they can have a hugely popular festival every year on the same trail network and keep it single. I like single track, if I wanted to ride double track I'd ride a cross bike....
    They also have a huge percentage of one-way trails and those that aren't, are generally wider than singletrack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mudge View Post
    Let's flip the script for a moment... one thing that can really turn folks off is preachy trail nazis telling folks what to do and how to do it all the time. Last fall I was out putzing around on GM, going up as some girl was coming down. The particular section we were riding was pretty darn wide to begin with, way more than enough room. Regardless, as I don't like to spoil someone's downhill fun, I moved over for her. She had the audacity to ask me to make sure I stay on the trail. WTH? I was on the trail, just not the middle of the trail, AND she should've, by all rights, yielded to me. Nope, just got all preachy with me. Really harshed my mellow.
    As Tosh would say, "what the hell are women doing on mountain bikes anyway?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by thump View Post
    Or just learn to pull up on the front wheel?
    The puddle was several feet long (about 10+)
    The crash would have still happened, but thanks for the suggestion.
    Just stick it in granny and start grinding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Penny View Post
    They also have a huge percentage of one-way trails and those that aren't, are generally wider than singletrack.

    Which ones are those? They just recently signed a couple trails recommended one way at 18rd but other than that I'm not aware of others. Am I missing something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zrm View Post
    Which ones are those? They just recently signed a couple trails recommended one way at 18rd but other than that I'm not aware of others. Am I missing something?


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    Quote Originally Posted by zrm View Post
    Which ones are those? They just recently signed a couple trails recommended one way at 18rd but other than that I'm not aware of others. Am I missing something?
    They aren't all official, but generally people ride these one way:

    Kessel Run
    Primecut
    Joes
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    PBR
    Chutes and Ladders
    Horsethief
    Holy Cross
    Butterknife
    Ribbon
    Free Lunch
    Gunny Loop
    Pucker Up
    Rustler's

    Besides Kessel Run and Frontside, I'm not sure I have ever had to get off my bike for someone coming the other way while riding in Fruita.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    The puddle was several feet long (about 10+)
    The crash would have still happened, but thanks for the suggestion.
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    I'm so confused. It seems, at quick glance, his other blog posts are serious. This one...it can't be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gearwhine View Post
    I'm so confused. It seems, at quick glance, his other blog posts are serious. This one...it can't be.
    So, do a wheelie or a manual through the mud. That way all of your weight will be on one tire instead of distributed between two. Rut will be twice as deep, but you will look good doing it. Especially like the nose wheelie, guaranteed to eat mud with that one. Just wait for the trail to dry out, what a concept.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brokefork View Post
    So, do a wheelie or a manual through the mud. That way all of your weight will be on one tire instead of distributed between two. Rut will be twice as deep, but you will look good doing it. Especially like the nose wheelie, guaranteed to eat mud with that one. Just wait for the trail to dry out, what a concept.
    I thought the nose wheelie was an especially awesome suggestion. Real plus is you can then swing out the rear wheel wide to check those non-yielding trail cutters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gearwhine View Post
    I'm so confused. It seems, at quick glance, his other blog posts are serious. This one...it can't be.

    This was published on April Fools day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zrm View Post
    This was published on April Fools day.
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    Hell, my April fools story about the sinkhole at hall ranch was more believable than that crock of s**t. :-)

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