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    Heil is good to go!

    I hadn't seen this posted, as it may be obvious, but Heil is completely rideable. Rode it this evening. I found 2 muddy spots, each about 6 feet long, on the Wild Turkey Trail. Otherwise it was just as bumpy as I remembered it! Nothing like a trail full of square edged hits to make you question your saddle choice. Ha-ha. I also found the flock of wild turkeys that the trail is named after, pretty cool. I didn't see a single other rider, and only 2 people hiking. The cows on the dirt road approach were not moving, and even came up to me as if to have a conversation.
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    I appreciate every inch of travel at heil. thanks for the update.

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    sweeeeeeeeeeeeeet!

    Amazing this early...must be global warming.

    Gore's fault...no wait Bush's fault!

    Would Jesus ride it?

    I can't wait to hit it!

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    Yup - Heil is good to go!

    Even seemed like it was in better condition than end of last season...

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    Rode Heil for the first time today

    I had no idea what to expect. Usually I just keep on going to Hall. I thought it was great. My legs had to remember how to attack square edged uphill. I'd read some of the reviews on mtbr and they made it sound like a complete beginner trail, like The Cone. Well, if you're the beginner, great. If you are trying to talk your wife/gf/bf into mountain biking and say, "let's do Heil, it's really easy", take them to Centennial Cone or Alderfer first. If they just love any chunk that they plow through and beg for more, then take them to Heil. As the OP said, totally dry. Until tonight's snow, of course.
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    did you do wild turkey?

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    No, I took a left at the junction

    Quote Originally Posted by nOOby
    did you do wild turkey?
    and did Ponderosa clockwise. I didn't have that much time and will combine WT and P next time. Up top it looked like it was sloppy just a few days ago but I was amazed how dry the muddy areas had become. I'd love to have that trail outside my back door for a before/after dinner foray.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xcguy
    If you are trying to talk your wife/gf/bf into mountain biking and say, "let's do Heil, it's really easy", take them to Centennial Cone or Alderfer first. If they just love any chunk that they plow through and beg for more, then take them to Heil. As the OP said, totally dry. Until tonight's snow, of course.
    I haven't been on the new loop at Heil, but I remember the original stuff being more "beginner" than CCone or Alderfer. I do like CCone and Alderfer both more than Heil though. For one, b/c they're closer for me. But, also, I think CCone is physically more challenging than Heil (not technically), and I think Alderfer is more technically challenging than Heil. All perspective I guess.
    For beginners, I would recommend the Green Mtn single track along the W and S sides, the Marshall Mesa, Cowdry, etc stuff, and then go from there.

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    I've been riding a long time

    Quote Originally Posted by andychrysler
    I haven't been on the new loop at Heil, but I remember the original stuff being more "beginner" than CCone or Alderfer. I do like CCone and Alderfer both more than Heil though. For one, b/c they're closer for me. But, also, I think CCone is physically more challenging than Heil (not technically), and I think Alderfer is more technically challenging than Heil. All perspective I guess.
    For beginners, I would recommend the Green Mtn single track along the W and S sides, the Marshall Mesa, Cowdry, etc stuff, and then go from there.
    and I'm not saying Heil is tough. But nowhere on Centennial Cone and very few places on Alder do you find continuous chunk, square edged rocks to negotiate. They weren't hard for me, but I remember a lady rider on Walker Ranch who was just completely disgusted that her boyfriend talked her into Walker for her first mtb ride. I can't imagine any complete noobie riding Heil (unless they had it in their genes to like the square edge chunk) and thinking it was easy. Heil had some Cone, some Sourdough Lite, some Belcher Lite...are you sure you're remembering this trail? I had a great time but I kept saying "beginner trail, right".

    And I don't know what the "new loop" is, this was my first. I had a great time. As opposed to Green Mountain, which I only ride early and real late season, I could see going back to Heil mid-summer if I didn't have much time and just blast on through. And Centennial Cone seems to me like a road ride on dirt. I enjoy it when I'm in the mood for smooth trail. Then there's Apex/time trial up Belcher to the top bench/Deer Creek Canyon (another beginner trail, right? ) When I say Alderfer, I'm not talking about the Three Sisters Trail. Alderfer is where I had my first ride back on dirt after my broken wrist. I wanted to do the absolutely easiest trail I could think of. I wouldn't have gone to Heil.
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    very nice picture, peaceful

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    I have only been to Heil a couple times, and enjoyed it. I definitely do have a memory problem. Need to get back up there soon, to help me recall correctly, then compare.
    I feel bad for the lady on her 1st ride at Walker - she probably thought mountain biking really sucked.
    My 1st ride was White Ranch, and it was really tough - didn't even make it to the 1st bench, and thought I was going to die. But I had a blast anyway and was intrigued enough to keep riding!
    Anyway - glad Heil is good to go - hopefully will be after tonight as well!
    Have fun out there.

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    a lot less voles to trip you up at heil...




    seriously though. Check out wild turkey. Even the most critical folks of heil will enjoy this fun flowy new loop and you can do ponderosa clockwise then hit WT going north and do an out and back and have a blast plus get a real ride mileage wise. Now when the Lyons connector trail is finished, its all over. Serious bike porn(credit: BMA Mike)

    The other great thing, Heil is within 7 miles of boulder and it legal for bikes. That's actually saying a lot for foothill riding in boulder Co.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andychrysler
    I have only been to Heil a couple times, and enjoyed it. I definitely do have a memory problem.
    Seems like Heil has evolved a lot since it's opening. I recall it being buttery smooth single track when it first opened up...and now it's more as described today....
    The more out of shape you are, the steeper the hill looks.

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    That's what I'm talking about

    Quote Originally Posted by andychrysler
    I have only been to Heil a couple times, and enjoyed it. I definitely do have a memory problem. Need to get back up there soon, to help me recall correctly, then compare.
    I feel bad for the lady on her 1st ride at Walker - she probably thought mountain biking really sucked.
    My 1st ride was White Ranch, and it was really tough - didn't even make it to the 1st bench, and thought I was going to die. But I had a blast anyway and was intrigued enough to keep riding!
    Anyway - glad Heil is good to go - hopefully will be after tonight as well!
    Have fun out there.
    First-timers teetering on the edge of maybe becoming a mtnbiker can just say f!ck it if their first ride is too much for them. Who knows, maybe that's a good test to eliminate them right away! My first was Walker as well and I immediately loved all the climbing. I learned bike handling skilz later but I sure loved the steep climbing. Heil has some sections that are bike path smooth which I think is what you all are remembering (because that's just so odd on a typical Front Range trail). I remember saying, jeez, this really IS a beginner trail. Then the chunk started coming at me and kept coming. Maybe it's eroded away over the years. Get back there and check it out again and let me know what you think. Go left onto Ponderosa so's you ride what I rode.

    Like I said, it wasn't hard but just picture a complete noob on a hardtail trying to plow through that stuff. The real joy would be having them say how much fun it was as they were thrashing bashing and crashing. But it would suck if they turned to you after 50 yards and said "it's so hard" and turned around.

    And it was real pretty up there. I saw a whole bunch of rocks that would look great in my garden.
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    Want to go up to Heil tomorrow, never been. Am I looking at square edge boulders for 5 miles or just in sections, probably need the fs from what it sounds like. Hope its dry.

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    Not really square edge, just some areas of baby heads, 2-3" sustained loose gravel, and armored trail. Don't let the haters put you off. do wild turkey trail as well.

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    I enjoy Heil as well, a nice rocky climb up, not too tough but still a climb with lots of small rocks all over the trail, no large rocks like Hall's rock garden but small rocks that will rattle you the entire way up. Take a right when you get to the intersection and then another right onto Wild Turkey...that way you can do a loop up top and then come down Wild Turkey going the other way.

    Was there last Sunday and it was in really good condition.

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    Well, yeah, lots of square edge and lots of baby heads too

    Quote Originally Posted by nOOby
    Not really square edge, just some areas of baby heads, 2-3" sustained loose gravel, and armored trail. Don't let the haters put you off. do wild turkey trail as well.
    but, no, not huge rocks like Hall. Who are "the haters" you talk about? I thought Heil was great. It's like everyone who's ridden Heil in the past should go back there, notice the chunk and not just remember the Bike Path smooth sections. And, no, it's not hard.
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    epople in the past have said Heil is flat, rocky, too wide, etc.

    I'm a fan but there have been haters hatin' in the past. Now with with wild turkey I think you'd be hard pressed to hate on it.

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    You'll love Heil

    Quote Originally Posted by brokefork
    Want to go up to Heil tomorrow, never been. Am I looking at square edge boulders for 5 miles or just in sections, probably need the fs from what it sounds like. Hope its dry.
    Just report back here and tell us what you think. I never ride my hardtail anymore but I did pass two riders on hardtails. My 4" ride was great.
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    Thanks for the info, I think this old bod can probably handle it. If you see an old guy on a blue ibex, its me, say hi.

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    Somebody post their impressions of Heil from a recent ride

    I contend it's not a beginner trail, maybe my rating system needs tweaking. What did you think?
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    not beginner, I would say low intermediate. there a decent climb with some light tech(rocky, loose) the lollipop has some flow but the loose rocks keeps you on your toes. Wild turkey has some whoops that need some attention to be paid. The descent is fast and has some spot that are tech(light).

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    Heil has good pop.


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    I rode Heil again today (Monday)

    Mostly dry, a little mud here and there. It dried up considerably during the time I rode. Thought I'd take a few pictures of the rougher spots. Not hard, mind you, but not so beginner friendly in spots. I guess make up your own opinion. It was a great ride, I really like Heil.

    The trail goes from bike path smooth to some semi-chunk.
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    Then over to the lookout point and on to Wild Turkey

    WT starts out smooth but turns into a great swoopy singletrack with rocks here and there but some good flow. I really liked Wild Turkey. They actually bermed some corners--was that for the bikes? Also, I haven't seen trail construction involving natural stone "pavers" like Heil. Maybe they just have a ton of that stuff laying around, might as well use it. Tame wildlife in the parking lot.
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    "Maybe they just have a ton of that stuff laying around"

    Yep. Heil was an old quarry. That's exactly the type of stuff they dug up. LOTS of it lying around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xcguy
    Also, I haven't seen trail construction involving natural stone "pavers" like Heil.
    Amazing armoring....vertical stacked stones that aren't moving.


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    Finally made time to ride Wild Turkey this evening. A gigantic "thank you" to the trail designers/builders. Talk about adding value to an already worthwhile destination! We rode it clockwise, and it rocked. Super fast and swoopy in places, and then... BAM... Pay attention to the little speed check zig-zags [insert appropriate trail building jargon here] or suffer the consequences. The waning light had a bit to do with the excitement, along with failing to keep the ol' eyes farther down the trail. As soon as I've got a bit more fitness crammed into my legs, clover leafing the top will be nice.

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    I took a ride there this afternoon. The Wild Turkey trail has packed down nicely since I rode there in the early Fall. It's the most fun section at Heil in my opinion. Nice work!

    I definitely found more flow on the trail with my FS this time vs. the HT I had last time.

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    Anyone know how much snow up by heil. I live in Broomfield, only drizzled for an hour but I heard north got more.

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    It snowed in Boulder off and on with periods of heavy'ish snow. Heil probably is quite wet from the storm as much of it is the trees and hence shade.

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    nothing stuck in boulder or ned

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    We got about an inch or so (maybe) but it's all gone now. Hall should be sweet and tacky on Fri. Don't know about Heil, probably similar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xcguy
    They actually bermed some corners--was that for the bikes? Also, I haven't seen trail construction involving natural stone "pavers" like Heil. Maybe they just have a ton of that stuff laying around...
    The day I worked on Wild Turkey I talked to one guy that was a trail runner and everyone else was a mountain biker. There was an IMBA guy directing traffic.
    Overall a very bike intensive project so I wouldn't be surprised that bike friendly features were incorporated in the design.
    Oh yeah the rocks, Heil has plenty of rocks. And freakin big ass Black Widows hiding under those rocks when you pick one up to incorporate into the trail.

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    with the exception of a little mud here and there, Heil was dang near perfect, tacky as all get out, rail-able fast turns, cool air. Even got to see a flock of actual turkeys, about 20, out there

    Did the loop CW to the bench, then on wild turkey to the loop, CCW on the loop back past the bench and down. Makes for a nice little jaunt.

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    Did you find it rocky at all?

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    yes, rocky as ever. Hence the 6' trailbike. Smoothed it right up.

    But the dirt in between was nice and tacky

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    I rode it first time on Sunday, I loved that trail. I think if it was too smooth it wouldn't be that much fun and it would sure be too short.

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    yeah the rocks make it a little more challenging. doing the original loop CCW makes for some interesting momentum challenges once past the bench with the loose rocks. The route I described above was about 12 miles which isn't too bad but with more time you can add more loops or ride wild turkey both ways. Many options.

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