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    To the guy whose dog bit me at keystone....

    To the owner of the fuggin pitbull that bit me at keystone today---step forward and let me know for both of our sakes if your dog has had his shots. I got your plates and may have to have him quarantined.

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    Bust his ass...

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    Damn dude, I hope that dog has had his shots. WTH is that stupid owner taking that type of dog around people! I bet this isn't the first time. Sorry, I'm a dog guy but have no patience or sympathy for aggressive breeds and dogs.

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    I'm sorry this happened. As a dog owner I hope this doesn't lead you to believe every dog on the trail/mountain is dangerous. I realize this will probably spawn some half-witted debate, but I just wanted to contribute this before ten or fifteen dog-nazi's chimed in.

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    WTF - off-leash dog at Keystone? On the mountain? Call the police.

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    Hope this isn't inappropriate to ask---was it a mere nip or full on attack bite? What were the circumstances? Just curious...

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    Well,the owner has stepped forward. But things dont sound so great.

    His dog came over and started to eat from my dogs food and my lab didn't like that. They went at it......the dog was pretty ferocious,he wasn't stoppin til he got body slammed by my brother. I shoulda grabbed his legs but reached for anything i could and got bit on three fingers. One on my pinky is definitely deep and still oozing blood. I've already started with the antibiotics and ointment. But the dog will probably have to be quarantined to check for rabies,for both our sake. On top of all this,i got my ass served to me on my third trip thru the Drop Zone. ****in rock rash all over the right side of my body........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stinkyfan
    Well,the owner has stepped forward. But things dont sound so great.

    His dog came over and started to eat from my dogs food and my lab didn't like that. They went at it......the dog was pretty ferocious,he wasn't stoppin til he got body slammed by my brother. I shoulda grabbed his legs but reached for anything i could and got bit on three fingers. One on my pinky is definitely deep and still oozing blood. I've already started with the antibiotics and ointment. But the dog will probably have to be quarantined to check for rabies,for both our sake. On top of all this,i got my ass served to me on my third trip thru the Drop Zone. ****in rock rash all over the right side of my body........
    Do I understand this correctly? The idiot not only had his dog off leash at Keystone, but the dog doesn't have his shots either? WTF? That's a person too stupid to own a dog.
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    His dog came over and started to eat from my dogs food and my lab didn't like that. They went at it......
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    That was probably my dog (who does have shots), although I am not the one who has stepped forward thus far. Thats a great attempt to downplay what happened. Your dog bit a dog. Now you are complaining that the other dog defended himself on the internet.

    Both dogs were off leash and getting along. You left food out, and your dog attacked my dog over the food. We all saw it, and it was an aggressive bite that actually injured my dog, although it was just a minor puncture. Sorry, but your dog attacked my dog, what do you expect? Then you jumped in and literally stuck your hand in his mouth, again, what did you expect?

    BTW, I have several witnesses.... also, I doubt my dog injured your dog, yours did injure mine. Dogs can get in a scuffle without biting hard... Look, $hit happens, learn your lesson and move on. Dogs sometimes fight over food. Your's apparently does.
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    I wouldn't jump to conclusions. I don't think he said the other dog had not had his shots up-to-date, just worried he may not, understandably.

    To me it sounds like a case where you had to be present. To some degree I have to say, "dogs will be dogs.." but an aggressive dog has no place off leash in public. But then again...I could digress, but I don't think you posted for others opinions and I'm sure any minute one of the many anti-dog posters is going to find this thread.

    Sorry about the inconvenience. I hope everything heals well and you and the other dogs owner can come to some understanding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davec113
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    That was probably my dog (who does have shots), although I am not the one who has stepped forward thus far. Thats a great attempt to downplay what happened. Your dog bit a dog. Now you are complaining that the other dog defended himself on the internet.

    Both dogs were off leash and getting along. You left food out, and your dog attacked my dog over the food. We all saw it, and it was an aggressive bite that actually injured my dog, although it was just a minor puncture. Sorry, but your dog attacked my dog, what do you expect? Then you jumped in and literally stuck your hand in his mouth, again, what did you expect?

    BTW, I have several witnesses.... also, I doubt my dog injured your dog, yours did injure mine. Dogs can get in a scuffle without biting hard... Look, $hit happens, learn your lesson and move on. Dogs sometimes fight over food. Your's apparently does.
    I don't want to get in the middle, but I can't help responding. I can understand both sides. If the dog had shots, lesson learned, dogs are dogs. I think many people here and everythwere else in this state are a little suspicious of pits, not for nothing, but other dogs DO attack as well (or defend).

    I wasn't there but all I can hope for is that this doesn't spur more stringent leash laws, and probably the more expeditiously you two can come to a resolution, the better for everyone.

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    Frick my 11 pounder will bite if you take his food.


    Looks like you guys know who to deal with now so keep the crap off the forums, this stuff gets old.
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    Well, this should be uglier than an Inflexible Apex Shuttler listening to an iPod who fails to yield thread. Good Times!
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    So your the guy. Maybe it was some other fukstick that PM'd me. I wondered what kind;ve queen uses mythbusters as an email addy. Bwaa

    Yeah,i left food out (how awful)b/c we were the only ones parked over on the east side of the lot. FOR a reason. Then you pull up right beside us and let your pit out. It's not like our dogs were hanging out being buddy buddy. They looked at each other,sniffed--then your ****ing dog went over and started eating his food. I could've cared less if your dog tore mine open or vice versa,but the second a dog bites a person then it becomes a public issue.


    Bottomline,i gotta find out if i got rabies,douche. I called animal control so i'm sure they'll handle it.

    Edit: Sorry,roommates username was logged in. And its good to hear that he DID have shots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EvenFlow
    So your the guy. Maybe it was some other fukstick that PM'd me. I wondered what kind;ve queen uses mythbusters as an email addy. Bwaa

    Yeah,i left food out (how awful)b/c we were the only ones parked over on the east side of the lot. FOR a reason. Then you pull up right beside us and let your pit out. It's not like our dogs were hanging out being buddy buddy. They looked at each other,sniffed--then your ****ing dog went over and started eating his food. I could've cared less if your dog tore mine open or vice versa,but the second a dog bites a person then it becomes a public issue.


    Bottomline,i gotta find out if i got rabies,douche. I called animal control so i'm sure they'll handle it.

    Edit: Sorry,roommates username was logged in. And its good to hear that he DID have shots.

    That didn't help your argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nca777
    I don't want to get in the middle, but I can't help responding. I can understand both sides. If the dog had shots, lesson learned, dogs are dogs. I think many people here and everythwere else in this state are a little suspicious of pits, not for nothing, but other dogs DO attack as well (or defend).

    I wasn't there but all I can hope for is that this doesn't spur more stringent leash laws, and probably the more expeditiously you two can come to a resolution, the better for everyone.

    I agree. I saw this as a minor incident, dogs will be dogs, and as long as they weren't hurting each other this is normal canine behavior. My dog has been well socialized, and learned as a pup to settle differences without escalating the situation. He has only gotten into a couple fights in 4 years, and neither dog was hurt as a result.

    To the OP, I'm sorry this happened. You know he isn't rabid, so please drop this. If you don't one of us is going to be judged the bad guy and could face the possibility of large fines and possibly having the dog taken away. I wouldn't wish this on any dog owner that doesn't mistreat their dog. I hope you feel the same way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elder_mtber
    WTF - off-leash dog at Keystone? On the mountain? Call the police.

    There were a half dozen off leash dogs playing in/around the creek all afternoon. My dog was one of them, and didn't have an issue with any other dogs. But, thanks for your concern
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    Quote Originally Posted by nca777
    That didn't help your argument.

    What argument,chief? A dog bit a person. Person has to know if he now has rabies.==Pretty fuggin simple equation.

    As for the dog,yeah,i'll take your word for it and trust that he's had his shots. And like i said,i'm a dog lover,i wouldn't wanna lose my dog either. I wish the best on all dogs...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stinkyfan
    What argument,chief? A dog bit a person. Person has to know if he now has rabies.==Pretty fuggin simple equation.

    As for the dog,yeah,i'll take your word for it and trust that he's had his shots. And like i said,i'm a dog lover,i wouldn't wanna lose my dog either. I wish the best on all dogs...
    Thanks. I appreciate that we can move on...

    I would like to say that my dog did NOT bite you on purpose. He had no idea your hand was in his mouth, he was far too focused on going after your dog. Also, when your friend tackled my dog, my dog did not fight back. In the position he was in after tackling him, his face was exposed and right next to my dog's face, yet my dog did not bite even though he was highly aroused. I think this speaks for the fact that my dog is NOT aggressive to humans. Also, he is not aggressive to %99.9 of other dogs. I have no issues with him on the trail, and I can bring him to any busy dog park and trust he will not be aggressive. He has only ever been in 2 fights before this, and both times were a result of being bit by another dog. Even after this, he didn't even harm the other dog, just pinned it down and the fight was over. I'm sure the same would have happened today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davec113
    Thanks. I appreciate that we can move on...

    I would like to say that my dog did NOT bite you on purpose. He had no idea your hand was in his mouth, he was far too focused on going after your dog. Also, when your friend tackled my dog, my dog did not fight back. In the position he was in after tackling him, his face was exposed and right next to my dog's face, yet my dog did not bite even though he was highly aroused. I think this speaks for the fact that my dog is NOT aggressive to humans. Also, he is not aggressive to %99.9 of other dogs. I have no issues with him on the trail, and I can bring him to any busy dog park and trust he will not be aggressive. He has only ever been in 2 fights before this, and both times were a result of being bit by another dog. Even after this, he didn't even harm the other dog, just pinned it down and the fight was over. I'm sure the same would have happened today.

    Yeah,i was thinking of that earlier. My brother was pretty lucky not to have his face or neck bit. I know he didn't bite me on purpose,i meant to go for his collar. I could tell he was pretty gentle,i observed him later on in your car. He looked pretty mellow. I meant to ask you about this stuff(shots) but didn't really think about it til i got on the lift. And didn't see you on the hill or by the car the rest of the day. But i knew any self-respecting DH'er would read the forums,thus the post. Rabies are no fun for anyone...


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    who leaves a Pitbull off it's leash running around a public place?! That's incredibly poor judgment on the owners behalf...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dhpimp
    who leaves a Pitbull off it's leash running around a public place?! That's incredibly poor judgment on the owners behalf...
    You would have had a heart attack today then, there was a big Rottie, a Husky, at least one other Pit and a couple of Labs playing near the creek. ALL off leash!!! The Horror!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by PBR me!
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    This is atleast the 3rd time i've been witness to dogs attacking over food in a parking lot of a ski resort. Hey f***sticks keep your dogs on leash and dont leave out food.


    I personally have 3 yes, 3 dogs and have never had a conforontation. Do you know why? because i keep them on leash or keep on top of them and be a responsible owner.




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    I don't get why anyone would wanna bring your dog to a ski resort to go riding in the first place. I know it's Colorado and it's "cool" to bring your dog everywhere with you, but damn, keep it on a leash.

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    Ok,we'll hide his food in my enclosed,barb-wired doghouse next time he wants to eat. How stupid of us to put his food on the ground when nobody else is around and we're parked 100yds from the nearest person,on purpose. How irresponsible! Fukstick. And stop usin my word.

    And we drove to Keystone from Ft. Collins and camped out to ride for two days. I obviously can't leave my dog locked in my apartment for those 2 days. THAT's why we had to bring him. Otherwise,his a$$ would've been home.


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    lack of common sense has gotten many dog owners in trouble. ...

    I too own a pit..( had her from 14 weeks as a pup )

    i pretty much know better than to take her to places off leash.. (not because she doesn't mind, off/on leash she heals right beside me, riding or walking/running)

    not because she is a pit, but because of other people's ignorance when it comes to pits, (and all dogs for that matter)...

    she is well trained specimen, even knows hand signals.. she can spot an add/adhd person from a mile away... promptly sniffs them, and nibble on them when they try to spazz out and run away..


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    No dog should bite another dog over food and no dog should bite a human over anything. The breed doesn't determine a dog's behavior, its owner does.

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    Damn, you guys need all of your dogs taken away, idiots!

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    watch out for little buddy...he's vicious!!!
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    dog food has no place in public off tailgate.

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    Wow all sorts of brilliance displayed throughout this thread. Nooby thanks for that little nugget of wisdom, anymore advice? Nevermind dont answer that, you post enough as it is.

    This is the first chance I've got to read this little gem...even though my brother and I consistently have log in problems .... and I gotta say it's everything I expected. But I'm im not gonna get caught up in it...well maybe just a little bit. I could care less what some mtn biker forum poster with 3000posts to his name has to say about anything that doesn't relate to bikes...or relating to bikes for that matter.

    I will say Yes it was a minor accident, we moved on quickly and had a fine time riding. Still no hard feelings, just dogs being dogs. The only thing I will say is, Dave, you story is a little off and the part that gets me is where you said...."**** happens, learn your lesson and move on"

    By "your lesson" I hope you meant you.

    Like my brother said, I parked my truck at the far East end of the lot well away from anyone else. I did that for our sake and everyone elses sake. So my dog could stretch out and avoid anyone else in case he were to stray (slightly, he doesn't stray), encounter an aggressive dog or in the .01% off chance become aggressive himself...or say....eat his food.

    I watched you pull into the parking lot and make a B line for my truck and park maybe two parking spots away....in that HUGE, empty parking lot. You got out of the car, both the dogs jumped out with you, the pit went straight for my dog and the food. YOU were right on the dogs heels, something tells me you had an idea how your dog was going to behave.

    Anyway, he went straight for my dog and we know the rest. He didn't attack anyone like you said, my brother got his hand in the way. But dont say my dog was the aggressor and your dog was defending himself!!? Thats typical defensive pitbull owner bull$hit. Dont say both dogs were getting along, dont say he knows how settle differences without escalating things and dont say he didn't attack me and that shows how good he is. He did not attack my brother, he accidentaly put his hand in the wrong place. But your dog was not settling the situation, he was full on attacking mine, my lab was completely in retreat and running away as your dog continued until I pounced on him. And even then, he might have ripped my face off despite what you say IF I didn't have a very firm grasp on his neck with both hands.

    And do you remember the only thing I said to you....which takes a lot of restraint for me??

    Ya, I said "that's why we park over here away from everyone else"

    And whats with this...."We all saw it" "I have several witnesses".....dude, there was one guy with you and he looked embarrassed and mortified for you.

    Regardless, he may or may not be aggressive towards people, he's aggressive towards other dogs....no matter what you think. Which is why pits should generally be kept on a short leash.

    Anyway, the point is, I hope you learned your lesson. Aggressive dogs may as well be left home or leashed and attended to at all times. And for the love of god, you have a pitbull man, all you had to do was not park right beside us. You saw we had a dog, his food was sitting in front of the truck plain as day. Just use a little judgement. This is why pits are sooo disliked, especially in the front range as we all know.

    Whatever, it's history. We both love dogs and dont hold anything against the stout little guy or Dave. Live and learn.

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    dang dOOd just ****ing around, I have 2 dogs too. One's alledgedly part pit and would only lick you to death. The other is a 100lbs chow/lab/great dane that once ragdolled a toy poodle over his dog treat. He also almost bit a guy in dolphin running shorts on the bum at the the dog park, probably for wearing dolphin shorts to a dogpark. The latter doesn't get out very much, too unpredictable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EvenFlow

    ...dude, there was one guy with you and he looked embarrassed and mortified for you...

    Yeah, he was embarrassed.... I asked him not to let the dogs out when we parked so I could ask you if it was ok. He let them out anyway.... If your dog was leashed I would have stopped him, but with your dog off leash I figured they were fine, and they probably would have been ok without food to compete over.

    Also, dogs fighting is natural. Its the way they settle differences. Usually they do it without injuring themselves, its almost all show. But, they need to learn this as puppies. My trainer does not separate puppies when they get into fights, she believes its a natural learning process, and the dogs won't learn to resolve differences correctly if they aren't allowed to scuffle as pups. Pretty much ALL of the pups in our class (of about 15 pups) got into fights on a fairly regular basis, regardless of breed. If you let your dog interact with other dogs, there are bound to be issues from time to time. If you want a well socialized dog, you need to let it interact with other dogs. Mine has only attacked another dog in response to being bitten, and he's never injured the other dog. It has happened less than once a year so far, and I let him interact with other dogs off leash on a weekly basis. That seems reasonable to me... (flame suit on )
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    This thread has been some great entertainment, we were parked and getting ready to ride when your two dogs went at it. We watched the whole dog scuffle and i just shook my head.

    Dog fighting is normal? hmmmm..... i have 3 dogs and between all of them there has been only 1 fight in 5 years and it was over food, surprise surprise... Dog fights may be normal for pits...

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    So you asked your friend to hold your dogs while you got out

    Meaning...there was a reason you didn't want your two dogs to pour out of your vehicle? What could that reason be? OK, you knew you had to take some precautions with your dogs yet parked right next to a vehicle/dog situation? OK, you asked your friend to hold your dogs while you asked the other dog owner...what? Would it be OK if your dogs come pouring out of your vehicle over to that other dog's dish?

    I'm a real impartial observer here but it seems as if you knew that your dogs might cause a rukus yet didn't do a dam thing to avoid it, and now when called out you want to blame your friend, the other guy's dog, the other guy for trying to pull your dog off his dog, everybody but yourself for not making a real solid effort to control your dogs. Saying "dogs get into fights, no big deal" is the most ridiculous justification you could come up with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davec113

    Also, dogs fighting is natural. Its the way they settle differences. Usually they do it without injuring themselves, its almost all show. But, they need to learn this as puppies. My trainer does not separate puppies when they get into fights, she believes its a natural learning process, and the dogs won't learn to resolve differences correctly if they aren't allowed to scuffle as pups. Pretty much ALL of the pups in our class (of about 15 pups) got into fights on a fairly regular basis, regardless of breed. If you let your dog interact with other dogs, there are bound to be issues from time to time. If you want a well socialized dog, you need to let it interact with other dogs. Mine has only attacked another dog in response to being bitten, and he's never injured the other dog. It has happened less than once a year so far, and I let him interact with other dogs off leash on a weekly basis. That seems reasonable to me... (flame suit on )
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    Quote Originally Posted by PBR me!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stinkyfan
    Well,the owner has stepped forward. But things dont sound so great.

    His dog came over and started to eat from my dogs food and my lab didn't like that. They went at it......the dog was pretty ferocious,he wasn't stoppin til he got body slammed by my brother. I shoulda grabbed his legs but reached for anything i could and got bit on three fingers. One on my pinky is definitely deep and still oozing blood. I've already started with the antibiotics and ointment. But the dog will probably have to be quarantined to check for rabies,for both our sake. On top of all this,i got my ass served to me on my third trip thru the Drop Zone. ****in rock rash all over the right side of my body........
    I have three dogs and have learned one thing:

    NEVER EVER TRY TO GET IN THE MIDDLE OF A DOG FIGHT.

    The key is to use something that makes a loud noise in order to distract the dogs. I know it doesn't help now, but maybe you'll keep this in mind next time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thepaul
    No dog should bite another dog over food and no dog should bite a human over anything. The breed doesn't determine a dog's behavior, its owner does.
    WTF?

    Dog's bit other dogs over food because it is a natural instinct of survival and dominance. I do agree with your statement about people, though keep in mind that a dog has the mentality of a two year old. That's a lot of expectation to put on a child, let alone an animal.

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    Quit taking that goddamned aggressive fighting dog to a friggin ski resort. (Edited for niceness)
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    Quote Originally Posted by joelalamo45
    Quit taking that goddamned aggressive fighting dog to a friggin ski resort. (Edited for niceness)
    Don't worry, WP sucks bawlz, summer and winter. Why would I want to go there?

    Also, labs aren't fighting dogs, neither is my pit. He was bred to hunt and herd. But you're a judgmental prick who has everything figured out by reading a thread on the internet. I wish I had that magical power

    xcguy: Dogs get into fights, and it's usually not a big deal. This is fact, if you can't understand that please continue living in your fantasy world, or research canine behavior and learn something. Also, this should upset you even more: HUMAN BEINGS sometimes get in fights too. We're not much better than dogs when it comes to settling our differences. Except with people, someone is much more likely to get hurt.
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    Before this gets too far out of hand, and I know I was one of the first to jump in, but lets remember that Dave is a bro who lots of us ride with. It was a stupid deal and I'm sure he feels bad about it and has learned from it, but lets move on and not make this any uglier than it is.
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    Mods - please delete this thread or move it to some other forum. You guys are bickering like little girls.

    The only thing worse than one dog owner is two (or more). Keep your pets on a leash or leave them at home. Every f^&king dog owner believes their stupid ass dog is the exception to the rule until it does something (and it will) that proves otherwise and nearly always at the expense of somebody other than its owner.
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    no soup for you.

    i keed, i keed

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    Here's my donation to this awesome thread:


    My dog trainer (Safari Sally from the Denver Zoo):
    "Never get a dog that is on the top 100 breed list. They are over bread and have issues. The most calls I get for help are from Golden and Lab owners."


    Schauzer, number 11 on the "top 100 breed list"
    http://www.akc.org/reg/dogreg_stats.cfm

    But I suppose if Safari Sally is involved all is well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davec113
    You would have had a heart attack today then, there was a big Rottie, a Husky, at least one other Pit and a couple of Labs playing near the creek. ALL off leash!!! The Horror!!!
    A Husky? Gotta watch out for those, they're absolutely ferocious:



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