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    To the guy whose dog bit me at keystone....

    To the owner of the fuggin pitbull that bit me at keystone today---step forward and let me know for both of our sakes if your dog has had his shots. I got your plates and may have to have him quarantined.

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    Bust his ass...

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    Damn dude, I hope that dog has had his shots. WTH is that stupid owner taking that type of dog around people! I bet this isn't the first time. Sorry, I'm a dog guy but have no patience or sympathy for aggressive breeds and dogs.

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    I'm sorry this happened. As a dog owner I hope this doesn't lead you to believe every dog on the trail/mountain is dangerous. I realize this will probably spawn some half-witted debate, but I just wanted to contribute this before ten or fifteen dog-nazi's chimed in.

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    WTF - off-leash dog at Keystone? On the mountain? Call the police.

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    Hope this isn't inappropriate to ask---was it a mere nip or full on attack bite? What were the circumstances? Just curious...

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    Well,the owner has stepped forward. But things dont sound so great.

    His dog came over and started to eat from my dogs food and my lab didn't like that. They went at it......the dog was pretty ferocious,he wasn't stoppin til he got body slammed by my brother. I shoulda grabbed his legs but reached for anything i could and got bit on three fingers. One on my pinky is definitely deep and still oozing blood. I've already started with the antibiotics and ointment. But the dog will probably have to be quarantined to check for rabies,for both our sake. On top of all this,i got my ass served to me on my third trip thru the Drop Zone. ****in rock rash all over the right side of my body........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stinkyfan
    Well,the owner has stepped forward. But things dont sound so great.

    His dog came over and started to eat from my dogs food and my lab didn't like that. They went at it......the dog was pretty ferocious,he wasn't stoppin til he got body slammed by my brother. I shoulda grabbed his legs but reached for anything i could and got bit on three fingers. One on my pinky is definitely deep and still oozing blood. I've already started with the antibiotics and ointment. But the dog will probably have to be quarantined to check for rabies,for both our sake. On top of all this,i got my ass served to me on my third trip thru the Drop Zone. ****in rock rash all over the right side of my body........
    Do I understand this correctly? The idiot not only had his dog off leash at Keystone, but the dog doesn't have his shots either? WTF? That's a person too stupid to own a dog.
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    His dog came over and started to eat from my dogs food and my lab didn't like that. They went at it......
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    That was probably my dog (who does have shots), although I am not the one who has stepped forward thus far. Thats a great attempt to downplay what happened. Your dog bit a dog. Now you are complaining that the other dog defended himself on the internet.

    Both dogs were off leash and getting along. You left food out, and your dog attacked my dog over the food. We all saw it, and it was an aggressive bite that actually injured my dog, although it was just a minor puncture. Sorry, but your dog attacked my dog, what do you expect? Then you jumped in and literally stuck your hand in his mouth, again, what did you expect?

    BTW, I have several witnesses.... also, I doubt my dog injured your dog, yours did injure mine. Dogs can get in a scuffle without biting hard... Look, $hit happens, learn your lesson and move on. Dogs sometimes fight over food. Your's apparently does.
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    I wouldn't jump to conclusions. I don't think he said the other dog had not had his shots up-to-date, just worried he may not, understandably.

    To me it sounds like a case where you had to be present. To some degree I have to say, "dogs will be dogs.." but an aggressive dog has no place off leash in public. But then again...I could digress, but I don't think you posted for others opinions and I'm sure any minute one of the many anti-dog posters is going to find this thread.

    Sorry about the inconvenience. I hope everything heals well and you and the other dogs owner can come to some understanding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davec113
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    That was probably my dog (who does have shots), although I am not the one who has stepped forward thus far. Thats a great attempt to downplay what happened. Your dog bit a dog. Now you are complaining that the other dog defended himself on the internet.

    Both dogs were off leash and getting along. You left food out, and your dog attacked my dog over the food. We all saw it, and it was an aggressive bite that actually injured my dog, although it was just a minor puncture. Sorry, but your dog attacked my dog, what do you expect? Then you jumped in and literally stuck your hand in his mouth, again, what did you expect?

    BTW, I have several witnesses.... also, I doubt my dog injured your dog, yours did injure mine. Dogs can get in a scuffle without biting hard... Look, $hit happens, learn your lesson and move on. Dogs sometimes fight over food. Your's apparently does.
    I don't want to get in the middle, but I can't help responding. I can understand both sides. If the dog had shots, lesson learned, dogs are dogs. I think many people here and everythwere else in this state are a little suspicious of pits, not for nothing, but other dogs DO attack as well (or defend).

    I wasn't there but all I can hope for is that this doesn't spur more stringent leash laws, and probably the more expeditiously you two can come to a resolution, the better for everyone.

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    Frick my 11 pounder will bite if you take his food.


    Looks like you guys know who to deal with now so keep the crap off the forums, this stuff gets old.
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    Well, this should be uglier than an Inflexible Apex Shuttler listening to an iPod who fails to yield thread. Good Times!
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    So your the guy. Maybe it was some other fukstick that PM'd me. I wondered what kind;ve queen uses mythbusters as an email addy. Bwaa

    Yeah,i left food out (how awful)b/c we were the only ones parked over on the east side of the lot. FOR a reason. Then you pull up right beside us and let your pit out. It's not like our dogs were hanging out being buddy buddy. They looked at each other,sniffed--then your ****ing dog went over and started eating his food. I could've cared less if your dog tore mine open or vice versa,but the second a dog bites a person then it becomes a public issue.


    Bottomline,i gotta find out if i got rabies,douche. I called animal control so i'm sure they'll handle it.

    Edit: Sorry,roommates username was logged in. And its good to hear that he DID have shots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EvenFlow
    So your the guy. Maybe it was some other fukstick that PM'd me. I wondered what kind;ve queen uses mythbusters as an email addy. Bwaa

    Yeah,i left food out (how awful)b/c we were the only ones parked over on the east side of the lot. FOR a reason. Then you pull up right beside us and let your pit out. It's not like our dogs were hanging out being buddy buddy. They looked at each other,sniffed--then your ****ing dog went over and started eating his food. I could've cared less if your dog tore mine open or vice versa,but the second a dog bites a person then it becomes a public issue.


    Bottomline,i gotta find out if i got rabies,douche. I called animal control so i'm sure they'll handle it.

    Edit: Sorry,roommates username was logged in. And its good to hear that he DID have shots.

    That didn't help your argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nca777
    I don't want to get in the middle, but I can't help responding. I can understand both sides. If the dog had shots, lesson learned, dogs are dogs. I think many people here and everythwere else in this state are a little suspicious of pits, not for nothing, but other dogs DO attack as well (or defend).

    I wasn't there but all I can hope for is that this doesn't spur more stringent leash laws, and probably the more expeditiously you two can come to a resolution, the better for everyone.

    I agree. I saw this as a minor incident, dogs will be dogs, and as long as they weren't hurting each other this is normal canine behavior. My dog has been well socialized, and learned as a pup to settle differences without escalating the situation. He has only gotten into a couple fights in 4 years, and neither dog was hurt as a result.

    To the OP, I'm sorry this happened. You know he isn't rabid, so please drop this. If you don't one of us is going to be judged the bad guy and could face the possibility of large fines and possibly having the dog taken away. I wouldn't wish this on any dog owner that doesn't mistreat their dog. I hope you feel the same way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elder_mtber
    WTF - off-leash dog at Keystone? On the mountain? Call the police.

    There were a half dozen off leash dogs playing in/around the creek all afternoon. My dog was one of them, and didn't have an issue with any other dogs. But, thanks for your concern
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    Quote Originally Posted by nca777
    That didn't help your argument.

    What argument,chief? A dog bit a person. Person has to know if he now has rabies.==Pretty fuggin simple equation.

    As for the dog,yeah,i'll take your word for it and trust that he's had his shots. And like i said,i'm a dog lover,i wouldn't wanna lose my dog either. I wish the best on all dogs...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stinkyfan
    What argument,chief? A dog bit a person. Person has to know if he now has rabies.==Pretty fuggin simple equation.

    As for the dog,yeah,i'll take your word for it and trust that he's had his shots. And like i said,i'm a dog lover,i wouldn't wanna lose my dog either. I wish the best on all dogs...
    Thanks. I appreciate that we can move on...

    I would like to say that my dog did NOT bite you on purpose. He had no idea your hand was in his mouth, he was far too focused on going after your dog. Also, when your friend tackled my dog, my dog did not fight back. In the position he was in after tackling him, his face was exposed and right next to my dog's face, yet my dog did not bite even though he was highly aroused. I think this speaks for the fact that my dog is NOT aggressive to humans. Also, he is not aggressive to %99.9 of other dogs. I have no issues with him on the trail, and I can bring him to any busy dog park and trust he will not be aggressive. He has only ever been in 2 fights before this, and both times were a result of being bit by another dog. Even after this, he didn't even harm the other dog, just pinned it down and the fight was over. I'm sure the same would have happened today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davec113
    Thanks. I appreciate that we can move on...

    I would like to say that my dog did NOT bite you on purpose. He had no idea your hand was in his mouth, he was far too focused on going after your dog. Also, when your friend tackled my dog, my dog did not fight back. In the position he was in after tackling him, his face was exposed and right next to my dog's face, yet my dog did not bite even though he was highly aroused. I think this speaks for the fact that my dog is NOT aggressive to humans. Also, he is not aggressive to %99.9 of other dogs. I have no issues with him on the trail, and I can bring him to any busy dog park and trust he will not be aggressive. He has only ever been in 2 fights before this, and both times were a result of being bit by another dog. Even after this, he didn't even harm the other dog, just pinned it down and the fight was over. I'm sure the same would have happened today.

    Yeah,i was thinking of that earlier. My brother was pretty lucky not to have his face or neck bit. I know he didn't bite me on purpose,i meant to go for his collar. I could tell he was pretty gentle,i observed him later on in your car. He looked pretty mellow. I meant to ask you about this stuff(shots) but didn't really think about it til i got on the lift. And didn't see you on the hill or by the car the rest of the day. But i knew any self-respecting DH'er would read the forums,thus the post. Rabies are no fun for anyone...


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    who leaves a Pitbull off it's leash running around a public place?! That's incredibly poor judgment on the owners behalf...

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    Yah, you don't hear about too many labs being aggressive mine never has been
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    Quote Originally Posted by dhpimp
    who leaves a Pitbull off it's leash running around a public place?! That's incredibly poor judgment on the owners behalf...
    You would have had a heart attack today then, there was a big Rottie, a Husky, at least one other Pit and a couple of Labs playing near the creek. ALL off leash!!! The Horror!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by PBR me!
    Yah, you don't hear about too many labs being aggressive mine never has been
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    This is atleast the 3rd time i've been witness to dogs attacking over food in a parking lot of a ski resort. Hey f***sticks keep your dogs on leash and dont leave out food.


    I personally have 3 yes, 3 dogs and have never had a conforontation. Do you know why? because i keep them on leash or keep on top of them and be a responsible owner.




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    I don't get why anyone would wanna bring your dog to a ski resort to go riding in the first place. I know it's Colorado and it's "cool" to bring your dog everywhere with you, but damn, keep it on a leash.

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    Ok,we'll hide his food in my enclosed,barb-wired doghouse next time he wants to eat. How stupid of us to put his food on the ground when nobody else is around and we're parked 100yds from the nearest person,on purpose. How irresponsible! Fukstick. And stop usin my word.

    And we drove to Keystone from Ft. Collins and camped out to ride for two days. I obviously can't leave my dog locked in my apartment for those 2 days. THAT's why we had to bring him. Otherwise,his a$$ would've been home.


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    lack of common sense has gotten many dog owners in trouble. ...

    I too own a pit..( had her from 14 weeks as a pup )

    i pretty much know better than to take her to places off leash.. (not because she doesn't mind, off/on leash she heals right beside me, riding or walking/running)

    not because she is a pit, but because of other people's ignorance when it comes to pits, (and all dogs for that matter)...

    she is well trained specimen, even knows hand signals.. she can spot an add/adhd person from a mile away... promptly sniffs them, and nibble on them when they try to spazz out and run away..


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    No dog should bite another dog over food and no dog should bite a human over anything. The breed doesn't determine a dog's behavior, its owner does.

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    Damn, you guys need all of your dogs taken away, idiots!

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    watch out for little buddy...he's vicious!!!
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    dog food has no place in public off tailgate.

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    Wow all sorts of brilliance displayed throughout this thread. Nooby thanks for that little nugget of wisdom, anymore advice? Nevermind dont answer that, you post enough as it is.

    This is the first chance I've got to read this little gem...even though my brother and I consistently have log in problems .... and I gotta say it's everything I expected. But I'm im not gonna get caught up in it...well maybe just a little bit. I could care less what some mtn biker forum poster with 3000posts to his name has to say about anything that doesn't relate to bikes...or relating to bikes for that matter.

    I will say Yes it was a minor accident, we moved on quickly and had a fine time riding. Still no hard feelings, just dogs being dogs. The only thing I will say is, Dave, you story is a little off and the part that gets me is where you said...."**** happens, learn your lesson and move on"

    By "your lesson" I hope you meant you.

    Like my brother said, I parked my truck at the far East end of the lot well away from anyone else. I did that for our sake and everyone elses sake. So my dog could stretch out and avoid anyone else in case he were to stray (slightly, he doesn't stray), encounter an aggressive dog or in the .01% off chance become aggressive himself...or say....eat his food.

    I watched you pull into the parking lot and make a B line for my truck and park maybe two parking spots away....in that HUGE, empty parking lot. You got out of the car, both the dogs jumped out with you, the pit went straight for my dog and the food. YOU were right on the dogs heels, something tells me you had an idea how your dog was going to behave.

    Anyway, he went straight for my dog and we know the rest. He didn't attack anyone like you said, my brother got his hand in the way. But dont say my dog was the aggressor and your dog was defending himself!!? Thats typical defensive pitbull owner bull$hit. Dont say both dogs were getting along, dont say he knows how settle differences without escalating things and dont say he didn't attack me and that shows how good he is. He did not attack my brother, he accidentaly put his hand in the wrong place. But your dog was not settling the situation, he was full on attacking mine, my lab was completely in retreat and running away as your dog continued until I pounced on him. And even then, he might have ripped my face off despite what you say IF I didn't have a very firm grasp on his neck with both hands.

    And do you remember the only thing I said to you....which takes a lot of restraint for me??

    Ya, I said "that's why we park over here away from everyone else"

    And whats with this...."We all saw it" "I have several witnesses".....dude, there was one guy with you and he looked embarrassed and mortified for you.

    Regardless, he may or may not be aggressive towards people, he's aggressive towards other dogs....no matter what you think. Which is why pits should generally be kept on a short leash.

    Anyway, the point is, I hope you learned your lesson. Aggressive dogs may as well be left home or leashed and attended to at all times. And for the love of god, you have a pitbull man, all you had to do was not park right beside us. You saw we had a dog, his food was sitting in front of the truck plain as day. Just use a little judgement. This is why pits are sooo disliked, especially in the front range as we all know.

    Whatever, it's history. We both love dogs and dont hold anything against the stout little guy or Dave. Live and learn.

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    dang dOOd just ****ing around, I have 2 dogs too. One's alledgedly part pit and would only lick you to death. The other is a 100lbs chow/lab/great dane that once ragdolled a toy poodle over his dog treat. He also almost bit a guy in dolphin running shorts on the bum at the the dog park, probably for wearing dolphin shorts to a dogpark. The latter doesn't get out very much, too unpredictable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EvenFlow

    ...dude, there was one guy with you and he looked embarrassed and mortified for you...

    Yeah, he was embarrassed.... I asked him not to let the dogs out when we parked so I could ask you if it was ok. He let them out anyway.... If your dog was leashed I would have stopped him, but with your dog off leash I figured they were fine, and they probably would have been ok without food to compete over.

    Also, dogs fighting is natural. Its the way they settle differences. Usually they do it without injuring themselves, its almost all show. But, they need to learn this as puppies. My trainer does not separate puppies when they get into fights, she believes its a natural learning process, and the dogs won't learn to resolve differences correctly if they aren't allowed to scuffle as pups. Pretty much ALL of the pups in our class (of about 15 pups) got into fights on a fairly regular basis, regardless of breed. If you let your dog interact with other dogs, there are bound to be issues from time to time. If you want a well socialized dog, you need to let it interact with other dogs. Mine has only attacked another dog in response to being bitten, and he's never injured the other dog. It has happened less than once a year so far, and I let him interact with other dogs off leash on a weekly basis. That seems reasonable to me... (flame suit on )
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    This thread has been some great entertainment, we were parked and getting ready to ride when your two dogs went at it. We watched the whole dog scuffle and i just shook my head.

    Dog fighting is normal? hmmmm..... i have 3 dogs and between all of them there has been only 1 fight in 5 years and it was over food, surprise surprise... Dog fights may be normal for pits...

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    So you asked your friend to hold your dogs while you got out

    Meaning...there was a reason you didn't want your two dogs to pour out of your vehicle? What could that reason be? OK, you knew you had to take some precautions with your dogs yet parked right next to a vehicle/dog situation? OK, you asked your friend to hold your dogs while you asked the other dog owner...what? Would it be OK if your dogs come pouring out of your vehicle over to that other dog's dish?

    I'm a real impartial observer here but it seems as if you knew that your dogs might cause a rukus yet didn't do a dam thing to avoid it, and now when called out you want to blame your friend, the other guy's dog, the other guy for trying to pull your dog off his dog, everybody but yourself for not making a real solid effort to control your dogs. Saying "dogs get into fights, no big deal" is the most ridiculous justification you could come up with.
    So it seems to me to be, this thing that I think I see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davec113

    Also, dogs fighting is natural. Its the way they settle differences. Usually they do it without injuring themselves, its almost all show. But, they need to learn this as puppies. My trainer does not separate puppies when they get into fights, she believes its a natural learning process, and the dogs won't learn to resolve differences correctly if they aren't allowed to scuffle as pups. Pretty much ALL of the pups in our class (of about 15 pups) got into fights on a fairly regular basis, regardless of breed. If you let your dog interact with other dogs, there are bound to be issues from time to time. If you want a well socialized dog, you need to let it interact with other dogs. Mine has only attacked another dog in response to being bitten, and he's never injured the other dog. It has happened less than once a year so far, and I let him interact with other dogs off leash on a weekly basis. That seems reasonable to me... (flame suit on )
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    Quote Originally Posted by PBR me!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stinkyfan
    Well,the owner has stepped forward. But things dont sound so great.

    His dog came over and started to eat from my dogs food and my lab didn't like that. They went at it......the dog was pretty ferocious,he wasn't stoppin til he got body slammed by my brother. I shoulda grabbed his legs but reached for anything i could and got bit on three fingers. One on my pinky is definitely deep and still oozing blood. I've already started with the antibiotics and ointment. But the dog will probably have to be quarantined to check for rabies,for both our sake. On top of all this,i got my ass served to me on my third trip thru the Drop Zone. ****in rock rash all over the right side of my body........
    I have three dogs and have learned one thing:

    NEVER EVER TRY TO GET IN THE MIDDLE OF A DOG FIGHT.

    The key is to use something that makes a loud noise in order to distract the dogs. I know it doesn't help now, but maybe you'll keep this in mind next time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thepaul
    No dog should bite another dog over food and no dog should bite a human over anything. The breed doesn't determine a dog's behavior, its owner does.
    WTF?

    Dog's bit other dogs over food because it is a natural instinct of survival and dominance. I do agree with your statement about people, though keep in mind that a dog has the mentality of a two year old. That's a lot of expectation to put on a child, let alone an animal.

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    Quit taking that goddamned aggressive fighting dog to a friggin ski resort. (Edited for niceness)
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    Quote Originally Posted by joelalamo45
    Quit taking that goddamned aggressive fighting dog to a friggin ski resort. (Edited for niceness)
    Don't worry, WP sucks bawlz, summer and winter. Why would I want to go there?

    Also, labs aren't fighting dogs, neither is my pit. He was bred to hunt and herd. But you're a judgmental prick who has everything figured out by reading a thread on the internet. I wish I had that magical power

    xcguy: Dogs get into fights, and it's usually not a big deal. This is fact, if you can't understand that please continue living in your fantasy world, or research canine behavior and learn something. Also, this should upset you even more: HUMAN BEINGS sometimes get in fights too. We're not much better than dogs when it comes to settling our differences. Except with people, someone is much more likely to get hurt.
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    Before this gets too far out of hand, and I know I was one of the first to jump in, but lets remember that Dave is a bro who lots of us ride with. It was a stupid deal and I'm sure he feels bad about it and has learned from it, but lets move on and not make this any uglier than it is.
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    Mods - please delete this thread or move it to some other forum. You guys are bickering like little girls.

    The only thing worse than one dog owner is two (or more). Keep your pets on a leash or leave them at home. Every f^&king dog owner believes their stupid ass dog is the exception to the rule until it does something (and it will) that proves otherwise and nearly always at the expense of somebody other than its owner.
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    My dog trainer (Safari Sally from the Denver Zoo):
    "Never get a dog that is on the top 100 breed list. They are over bread and have issues. The most calls I get for help are from Golden and Lab owners."


    Schauzer, number 11 on the "top 100 breed list"
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    Quote Originally Posted by davec113
    You would have had a heart attack today then, there was a big Rottie, a Husky, at least one other Pit and a couple of Labs playing near the creek. ALL off leash!!! The Horror!!!
    A Husky? Gotta watch out for those, they're absolutely ferocious:



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    Quote Originally Posted by DWF
    Before this gets too far out of hand, and I know I was one of the first to jump in, but lets remember that Dave is a bro who lots of us ride with. It was a stupid deal and I'm sure he feels bad about it and has learned from it, but lets move on and not make this any uglier than it is.
    Every time I've been around Dave's dog I've witnessed Dave's irresponsibility. He has plenty to learn (imho).
    Take the long cut, we'll get there eventually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Debaser
    Every time I've been around Dave's dog I've witnessed Dave's irresponsibility. He has plenty to learn (imho).

    edit: I had originally posted this with a reply of "maybe Dave was stoned" or something to that effect.

    Davec113 PMed me all whiny about it being a personal attack/how he was going to complain to the mods/etc. and I was nice neough to edit the comment.

    After seeing how this thread has progressed further, with most of the name calling and personal attacks coming from Dave himself, I think I'll just let that original comment stand. It is, after all, a public message board.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Debaser
    Every time I've been around Dave's dog I've witnessed Dave's irresponsibility. He has plenty to learn (imho).
    Despite whatever your personal beliefs and prejudices might be, do you remember a time I ever rode with my dog on a trail that does not allow dogs off leash?

    Also, have you ever witnessed my dog being aggressive?

    I know the answer to those questions will be "no". I'm not breaking the law, and my dog has not been aggressive to other dogs or people while in your presence. So... I have to ask what do you base your opinion on, and what did you witness to come to the conclusion that I'm being irresponsible? I really want to know. Pm me if you don't want to respond here... I'd guess you might not want to reveal that your opinion is based on your subjective prejudices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davec113
    Despite whatever your personal beliefs and prejudices might be, do you remember a time I ever rode with my dog on a trail that does not allow dogs off leash?

    Also, have you ever witnessed my dog being aggressive?

    I know the answer to those questions will be "no". I'm not breaking the law, and my dog has not been aggressive to other dogs or people while in your presence. So... I have to ask what do you base your opinion on, and what did you witness to come to the conclusion that I'm being irresponsible? I really want to know. Pm me if you don't want to respond here... I'd guess you might not want to reveal that your opinion is based on your subjective prejudices.
    Just because you aren't breaking rules doesn't make you responsible.

    I can't imagine a responsable dog owner letting his dog run through people's yards. I can't imagine a responsible dog owner leaving his dog and riding off down the trail, without making sure that he was close by. I can't imagine a responsible dog owner letting his dog out of voice/sight command for over an hour in the forest, and then ask others to watch out for the dog because he hadn't been seen or heard from in so long.
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    Would both of you, and your relatives, put a sock in it already!? Judging from this thread, both dog owners should NEVER have kids! Hell, the way you both wunderqunts have been bellyaching...just cut off your own ballz to ensure your genes don't get beyond you? The world doens't need your offspring degrading the mean IQ. Ball-less would be more befitting of you girls anyway.

    Edit: How the blu-blazes did this thread get 3 pages deep?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Debaser
    Just because you aren't breaking rules doesn't make you responsible.

    I can't imagine a responsable dog owner letting his dog run through people's yards. I can't imagine a responsible dog owner leaving his dog and riding off down the trail, without making sure that he was close by. I can't imagine a responsible dog owner letting his dog out of voice/sight command for over an hour in the forest, and then ask others to watch out for the dog because he hadn't been seen or heard from in so long.

    You're right... but he's been riding with me since he was 6 months old, and I trust him to be able to follow me. As long as I'm not breaking the law, what do you care? I want my dog to have a life, to have fun, and be able to run around with me. While it exposes the dog to more risks, he also has a life. I'd rather live like that and die early than sit on my couch until I have a heart attack. Thats why most of us ride bikes, I'd guess...

    I see so many dogs that are fat slobs, so out of shape they couldn't follow their owners 5 miles down the trail. I make an effort to give my dog a better life.

    If thats irresponsible, I take full credit.







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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y
    Would both of you, and your relatives, put a sock in it already!? Judging from this thread, both dog owners should NEVER have kids! Hell, the way you both wunderqunts have been bellyaching...just cut off your own ballz to ensure your genes don't get beyond you? The world doens't need your offspring degrading the mean IQ. Ball-less would be more befitting of you girls anyway.

    Edit: How the blu-blazes did this thread get 3 pages deep?
    oh the irony

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    Some guy cut me off on Hwy 36 today.. I had my rack on at the time so it's certainly bike related. Should I start a new forum topic on the intarweb to whine too?



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    Quote Originally Posted by davec113
    Also, labs aren't fighting dogs, neither is my pit. He was bred to hunt and herd. But you're a judgmental prick who has everything figured out by reading a thread on the internet.
    I had to wonder about this comment. SO many people buy pitbulls for their great abilities as a hunting or herding dog I don't think anybody is being judgemental about pitbulls by simply reading this thread...if you don't think your dog was bred as a fighting dog, I can see where *some* of the problem is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scout
    Here's my donation to this awesome thread:


    My dog trainer (Safari Sally from the Denver Zoo):
    "Never get a dog that is on the top 100 breed list. They are over bread and have issues. The most calls I get for help are from Golden and Lab owners."


    Schauzer, number 11 on the "top 100 breed list"
    http://www.akc.org/reg/dogreg_stats.cfm

    But I suppose if Safari Sally is involved all is well.
    Yes, I know Schnauzer is up there. That's why it takes a long time to find a puppy from a reputable breeder who can prove lineage, With my latest pup, we had to visit and playwith the grandparents, parents, and siblings. Aside from behavoral issues, there are also medical issues. You have to know what to look for.

    Sally is a great trainer. She knows how to read a dogs behavios very well. Heck, she's trained full wolves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nOOby
    dog food has no place in public off tailgate.
    This is the crux, even dogs that know each other can/will fight over food. If you believe otherwise, you just have not spent much time around dogs.

    Many a fight starts this way, and here's the thing, w/o opposable thumbs, only dog owners can set food out. And maybe well trained monkeys, though they should never be off leash.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thump
    Some guy cut me off on Hwy 36 today.. I had my rack on at the time so it's certainly bike related. Should I start a new forum topic on the intarweb to whine too?
    That was me that cut you off and you deserved it! Next time try to use the gas pedal grandma.


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    I drink your soup, I drink it all up.

    You have no soup left on your land.

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    Not taking sides here - but it never fails to amaze me how many people let their dogs run free in public. I own a Presa Canario and a Dogge De Bordeaux (both mastiffs), they are very well socialized, to the point that if a neighbor kid walked in and took their food away during dinner they would do nothing (seriously, we've done such things the entire time we've had them, intentionally).

    With that said, we never let them run free in public. The fact of the matter is that there are too many idiots out there who think it's no big deal if their dog gets into a scuffle, and it only takes one aggressive dog nipping at one of my dogs before the **** hits the fan. All dogs bite, but some dogs are capable of doing much greater damage than others. As the owner of a breed perceived as "vicious", why would I want to risk losing my @ss in court just so my dogs can run around a bit more than they already do?

    Not pointing fingers - I just don't get it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Godzilla

    Not pointing fingers - I just don't get it.
    Word...the 14lber I'm taking care of might not kill anyone, but he's not called the assassin for no reason. The next 5 year old who tries to pet him cause he's cute, be forewarned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ibmkidIII
    Word...the 14lber I'm taking care of might not kill anyone, but he's not called the assassin for no reason. The next 5 year old who tries to pet him cause he's cute, be forewarned.
    Is that a spare tube on his collar?

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    I've read over a dozen books about the breed, don't get me started... APBTs are great herders, they have won herding contests competing with aussie shepherds and border collies. Later, some of the competition organizers restricted eligibility to a few specific herding breeds. It must have been too embarrasing having APBTs place in the top of the standings, even winning sometimes. Currently, an APBT holds the record for most dogsports titles, including herding, tracking, agility, schutzhund and more. To say they are only fighting dogs isn't correct, but obviously some lines of dogs have been bred specifically for fighting. Interestingly enough, the fighting dogs vary quite a bit in dog aggressive tendencies, but I wouldn't want to own one.

    Anyway, there are significant differences in dogs bred for hunting and herding vs. ones that are purebred fighters. Hunting dogs often work in groups of 3, and dog aggression in a hunting dog is undesirable, so these dogs are specifically bred to reduce this trait. In fighting dogs, this is not an issue and is not a basis for breeding, so some are mellow, some are very dangerous and can never be let off leash. You should probably get some sort of a clue before you post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Godzilla
    Not taking sides here - but it never fails to amaze me how many people let their dogs run free in public. I own a Presa Canario and a Dogge De Bordeaux (both mastiffs), they are very well socialized, to the point that if a neighbor kid walked in and took their food away during dinner they would do nothing (seriously, we've done such things the entire time we've had them, intentionally).

    With that said, we never let them run free in public. The fact of the matter is that there are too many idiots out there who think it's no big deal if their dog gets into a scuffle, and it only takes one aggressive dog nipping at one of my dogs before the **** hits the fan. All dogs bite, but some dogs are capable of doing much greater damage than others. As the owner of a breed perceived as "vicious", why would I want to risk losing my @ss in court just so my dogs can run around a bit more than they already do?

    Not pointing fingers - I just don't get it.
    If it's off your property, you risk a lot more than just a day in court. You WILL be sued for damages and can end up losing your house, car, and everything else you own. Your homeowners won't cover you out of your yard.

    I had a Springer Spaniel that had serious aggression issues and had to put him down a few months ago because he was a liability. He even bit me and my kids. Most likely a brain tumor, but I could not risk him getting off property and biting someone.

    Springers are supposed to be companion dogs, but even thie "nicest" dogs can go batty.

    Make sure you keep the dog on a leash and make sure it is licensed. A ribies tag is NOT a license.

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    OK Kids. Here's the bottom line. Both of you are at fault.

    Both of you had your dogs off leash in a public place. One of you had left food out unattended which is what started the altercation. Then one of you decided to get in the middle of it and got yourself bit. Due to these items you need to just drop it and move on.

    And since both of you seem to know so much about the way dogs are supposed to behave I'd suggest you read this book for some knowledge. Although domesticated, dogs are still primal and fighting is just a form of communication. Read it and learn something.

    http://www.amazon.com/Culture-Clash-.../dp/1888047054

    Also, it's obvious you both love your pups. But please think about the proper places and situations for having your dogs off leash in public places.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godzilla
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    Zilla, I do agree to a certain degree, but I can't even walk my dog around here (Boulder) without LOTS of other dogs who are off leash (illegally) coming over to check out my dogs. Sometimes this happens multiple times on one short walk. At Keystone, many dogs are already off leash, and I can count on them approaching my dog. I just hope that they aren't aggressive, but this isn't always the case. An example is the brown pit that is allowed to run around unsupervised at Keystone all day. He is actually aggressive sometimes, and has tried to start fight with my dog, (and other people's as well). My dog just ignores him, but this becomes a lot more difficult if he's tied up. He feels he has no where to go and is far more likely to respond.

    The reality is, I can't keep other peoples dogs on leash and away from my dog. He is well socialized, but I still stay nearby and keep a close eye on him. I never let him off leash where it is specifically forbidden.

    The only real solution to this issue seems to be to never take your dog off your own property. At that point, why own a dog at all? See my response to Debaser.

    I'm definitely open to suggestions, as I know this is an issue. However, I can't control the fact that other people let their dogs run free.
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    2.2 "ANIMAL" means any living dumb creature.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y
    Would both of you, and your relatives, put a sock in it already!? Judging from this thread, both dog owners should NEVER have kids! Hell, the way you both wunderqunts have been bellyaching...just cut off your own ballz to ensure your genes don't get beyond you? The world doens't need your offspring degrading the mean IQ. Ball-less would be more befitting of you girls anyway.

    Edit: How the blu-blazes did this thread get 3 pages deep?

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    I hear you and agree, we just decided that it's too stressful to take them out in public. I always felt like I was waiting for something to happen anytime we'd go out - that and the "oh my goodness, it's got a huge head with teeth!" crowd annoys me to no end. Fortunately we have places we can let them run without worrying about other dogs / people.

    Quote Originally Posted by davec113

    I'm definitely open to suggestions, as I know this is an issue. However, I can't control the fact that other people let their dogs run free.
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    For crissake.. some of you guys would have a heart attack where I live. In my mountain neighborhood about 90% of the dogs roam free. Hell, most the folk here would protest you keeping your dog in a pen, and putting them on a line turns them into bait for the local wildlife. If a dog comes over you don't like, you shoo it away.. If one gets aggressive you give it a gentle kick. If you're going to be pvssy about animals then stay in the burbs, the mountains might be a little too rough for your refined sensibilities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nOOby
    you don't go by the nickname 'Cornfed' do you?


    I prefer "Cooter", but Cornfed will do in a pinch.
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    sorry for the obscure ref.

    Not to fuel the fire of dog hysteria but:
    http://www.sfdogmauling.com/

    Next, investigators learned of the connection between the defendants and 38 year-old Paul "Cornfed" Schneider, an inmate serving a life sentence without the possibility of parole at California's Pelican Bay State Prison.

    Schneider complained that Coumbs was turning the dogs into "wusses". He was angry because they were not exercised on treadmills or injected with steroids.


    WTF?
    Obviously a case of training gone very bad
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    I've had dogs my whole life & take mine on trail rides. Dogs don't get along for the most part. But hte ONLY dog I have ever had out in public that is non-aggressive toward other dogs is my current one. His weapon is speed. Try to bite him...he tucks & runs away.

    I have had boxers until this one & they all do not like other breeds as the Boxer is an Alpha. Pits are an inbreed of boxers & british bulldogs & have the most aggressive traits of both breeds, power, aggression toward other animals & speed. The locking jaw is a genetic trait from the Boxer amplified by cross breeding with the Bulldog.

    Not once did I, my parents, or my grandparents when they owned Boxers, take their dog off a leash in public. Why? Because they will not back down from other dogs & often find themselves in conflicts. Davec113, it's your dog has been in 3 fights, 1 in public. In my 20+ years of owning aggressive dogs, I've not had one get in a fight because I and my family as owners saw to it they were leashed.

    You're at fault. It's not some crap about "dogs will be dogs". You're just that guy who thinks it's acceptable & the 99% of the world hate your attitude. You'r responsible for every single thing your dog does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Godzilla
    I hear you and agree, we just decided that it's too stressful to take them out in public. I always felt like I was waiting for something to happen anytime we'd go out - that and the "oh my goodness, it's got a huge head with teeth!" crowd annoys me to no end. Fortunately we have places we can let them run without worrying about other dogs / people.
    Heh, your Presa's head probably weighs more than my Pit A great majority of people in Boulder have a positive reaction to him, most have no idea he's a Pit. Also, being only 60 lbs, I can always pick him up, which might be tough with your dogs. I do prefer to ride with him on more remote trails though...
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    Jeez people, take control of your dogs.

    A trail that’s too difficult wouldn’t exist because it’d never be used. But, trails can exist that’re too difficult for you.

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    Holy god!! Your "facts" could not be more off. There is no "locking jaw", you moron. They are NOT a cross between Boxers and "British Bulldogs", the Bulldog was bred in the 1800s, and has little relation to the Staffordshire Terrier or the APBT. You are sooooooo stupid its incredible. Please post some more, that was great!

    And no, you are certainly not a "role model"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickle
    Jeez people, take control of your dogs.

    That dog looks like its about to kill her
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    Wow - long thread

    I just got a 12 month female Boxer. She is great for the family and wears a bike realated collar - http://englishretreads.com/products/ (scroll to bottom).
    I need help training her. She has a great attitude and I would like to be able to ride with her unleashed. We take her to the unleashed dog parks everyday but she still freaks out when around other dogs. When I say freakout, I mean she is way excited and palyful in a good way, but, kinda annoying to both us and other dogs. Can someone offer me some advice other than paying for formal training? Thanks.

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    my pooch will eat all yours and she's 15 years old







    thats the look of a killer

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    Quote Originally Posted by nOOby
    sorry for the obscure ref.

    Not to fuel the fire of dog hysteria but:
    http://www.sfdogmauling.com/

    Next, investigators learned of the connection between the defendants and 38 year-old Paul "Cornfed" Schneider, an inmate serving a life sentence without the possibility of parole at California's Pelican Bay State Prison.

    Schneider complained that Coumbs was turning the dogs into "wusses". He was angry because they were not exercised on treadmills or injected with steroids.


    WTF?
    Obviously a case of training gone very bad
    Ah - I follow. I thought you were referring to the big mean dog / hillbilly connection.
    That whole case was in the news right about the time we got our Presa, in fact, it was that case that pushed us to work on socialization every chance we had.

    The owner in question was a complete moron. He actually worked to make his Presas mean, and the incident in which they mauled the lesbian chick was not the first time they'd bitten someone in the apartment complex. The owner is exactly where he belongs now.
    Now with more vitriol!

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    Yeah, run her hard before you take her to the dog park. She can work off some of that nervous energy before she interacts with other dogs. Boxers are tough dogs to deal with when they are young because of their high energy level. She will mellow out in a few years

    As fas as off leash trailing, start with a long training lead and make sure she responds when you use voice commands.

    Also, I would highly recommend formal training, but go to someone who lets the dogs interact so its not all training on-leash. Having expert advise while your dog is trained and socialized in a controlled environment is worth the money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Godzilla
    The owner is exactly where he belongs now.
    yeah just a weird and effed up situation for sure.

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    Caution;  Merge;  Workers Ahead! SILENCE!! or I shall kill (and then eat) all of your worthless canines!



    this thread must die now.

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    Im new to biking and Co so I'm usually a lurker but I figured I would chime in on this. Although this is not a major issue so this response is more about the people that just think others people’s fears of their dogs is unwarranted and posts like this just give dogs a bad rap:

    I’ve grown up with dogs all my life. We’ve had Golden Retrievers, Labs, Terriers, Beagles and Rottweiler’s and a few others I can’t remember. I'm really not afraid of dogs and certainly not against people having them for the most part but I’ll tell you what , it wasn’t until my parents got 2 Rottweiler’s that I realized that owners of dogs are truly oblivious to the danger they represent to other people. They always believe that their dog is safe since they raised it since it was 6 weeks old and that others peoples fear of dogs are just media hype. There is no doubt in my mind that these 2 dogs at about 130# each could easily kill whoever they wanted at a snap. Well luckily for my parents, they never attacked anyone but they have lunged at other people and once nipped at one of my friends which I guess it an attack.

    My point is this, owners of animals like Pitt Bulls and Rottweiler’s should NEVER let their dogs off leashes in public unless it’s a dog park or other advertised areas where dogs are allowed to be off their leashes. This way a person like myself can decide not to go to these places because of the danger. It may sound cruel to owners of these dogs and bit one sided but these dogs are known to kill and seriously injure people. Its not your choice to decide if you think your dog is a capable killing machine because there is NO POSSIBLE WAY FOR YOU TO BE 100% SURE. Good dogs have gone bad and have attacked people including their masters and when you have what is equivalent to a shark walking around freely to attack; it’s not fair to other people.

    Too many times I'm riding down the trail and a dog comes running up to us followed shortly by the owner. Then the owner will say something like “Oh, don’t worry, he’s a little push over and would never bite”. We’ll you know what, it’s too late, your dog already charged me and I was worried if I was going to have to start taking evasive maneuvers wondering if I was going to be bit. This happens in parks were dogs on leashes are the requirement and for some reason the owners thought it was alright to leave their dogs off and let them run free. What are people thinking???

    As for Pit Bulls, I believe that this is one breed we would all be a little better off without. This is one animal that can easily resort to primal instinct and WILL literally tear the flesh off the bone until there is nothing left to rip off. In 2 recent news reports, a child was chased by several pit bulls that got loose and had his whole arm eaten off and part of his face and ear. Another (within last 3 weeks) was an 80 year old man that had one arm and 2 legs mostly eaten off and amputated. Or just google “Pitt Bull Bite Wounds” and see some other great injuries that were caused by these animals that I'm sure the owner never thought their animal was capable of.

    I don’t care how much you think your dog is in control, they are animals without any comprehension of consequences with built-in instincts to hunt and kill animals and humans are animals to them. As long as owner continue to allow their dogs to run off leashes, escape their yards innocent people will be bitten and innocent people will be killed.

    Its dogs and irresponsible owners that give dogs bad raps

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    adding to the chaos

    those comments about Boxers and locking jaws above are so dumb it hurts..

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    Quote Originally Posted by MinerAZ
    Im new to biking and Co so I'm usually a lurker but I figured I would chime in on this. Although this is not a major issue so this response is more about the people that just think others people’s fears of their dogs is unwarranted and posts like this just give dogs a bad rap:

    I’ve grown up with dogs all my life. We’ve had Golden Retrievers, Labs, Terriers, Beagles and Rottweiler’s and a few others I can’t remember. I'm really not afraid of dogs and certainly not against people having them for the most part but I’ll tell you what , it wasn’t until my parents got 2 Rottweiler’s that I realized that owners of dogs are truly oblivious to the danger they represent to other people. They always believe that their dog is safe since they raised it since it was 6 weeks old and that others peoples fear of dogs are just media hype. There is no doubt in my mind that these 2 dogs at about 130# each could easily kill whoever they wanted at a snap. Well luckily for my parents, they never attacked anyone but they have lunged at other people and once nipped at one of my friends which I guess it an attack.

    My point is this, owners of animals like Pitt Bulls and Rottweiler’s should NEVER let their dogs off leashes in public unless it’s a dog park or other advertised areas where dogs are allowed to be off their leashes. This way a person like myself can decide not to go to these places because of the danger. It may sound cruel to owners of these dogs and bit one sided but these dogs are known to kill and seriously injure people. Its not your choice to decide if you think your dog is a capable killing machine because there is NO POSSIBLE WAY FOR YOU TO BE 100% SURE. Good dogs have gone bad and have attacked people including their masters and when you have what is equivalent to a shark walking around freely to attack; it’s not fair to other people.

    Too many times I'm riding down the trail and a dog comes running up to us followed shortly by the owner. Then the owner will say something like “Oh, don’t worry, he’s a little push over and would never bite”. We’ll you know what, it’s too late, your dog already charged me and I was worried if I was going to have to start taking evasive maneuvers wondering if I was going to be bit. This happens in parks were dogs on leashes are the requirement and for some reason the owners thought it was alright to leave their dogs off and let them run free. What are people thinking???

    As for Pit Bulls, I believe that this is one breed we would all be a little better off without. This is one animal that can easily resort to primal instinct and WILL literally tear the flesh off the bone until there is nothing left to rip off. In 2 recent news reports, a child was chased by several pit bulls that got loose and had his whole arm eaten off and part of his face and ear. Another (within last 3 weeks) was an 80 year old man that had one arm and 2 legs mostly eaten off and amputated. Or just google “Pitt Bull Bite Wounds” and see some other great injuries that were caused by these animals that I'm sure the owner never thought their animal was capable of.

    I don’t care how much you think your dog is in control, they are animals without any comprehension of consequences with built-in instincts to hunt and kill animals and humans are animals to them. As long as owner continue to allow their dogs to run off leashes, escape their yards innocent people will be bitten and innocent people will be killed.

    Its dogs and irresponsible owners that give dogs bad raps

    you should NEVER be allowed to own a dog again. Mtn life is just not your thing. It's ok don't get butt-hurt over the whole thing. Just expect to see dogs off the leash in the Mtns. If you can't deal with that stay away from the Mtns.
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    Speaking of how owners view their dogs, I had a guy working for me once who started bringing his dog to the job site. He would leave him in his truck with the windows rolled down. The dog gave me the creeps and I like dogs, I grew up with German Shepherds. Eric kept telling me he wouldn't bite anybody. If any dog looked like it was going to bite somebody someday that was his pooch. Sort of a cross between a junk yard dog and a stray somewhere down in Mexico.

    One day a lady was walking her little ball of fluff down the sidewalk in front of the house we were working on. Junk Yard Dog starts yelping and slobbering and snapping while in his truck. Ball of Fluff looks real worried, his owner looked over and had this look of fear on her face. Sure as sh!t Eric's dog claws his way out of the truck and heads straight for them, snarling the whole time. She now had a look of horror on her face and kept repeating "oh gawd oh gawd no oh gawd no" as Junk Yard Dog approached. I'm yelling "Eric, come get your godam dog, get out here". He comes out with this sh!t eating grin and sez "come on (whatever its name was) come on over here", a very mild reaction to this lady's horrified demeanor. I thought Eric's dog was gonna just tear into both of them. Eric actually looked kinda pleased that his dog could terrify someone so much.

    OK, end of story: bottom line? No, the dog didn't actually rip into both of them, so no death no foul, right? Eric came out and got his dog back into the truck (at my insistence). Totally responsible behavior on his part, right? The lady didn't have anything to worry about because Eric says his dog wouldn't bite anybody, right?

    It seems there's this two parallel realities at work here. I guess in the end it was the lady's fault for thinking this vicious sounding, snarling and snapping dog was going to tear into her and her Ball of Fluff, when that actually didn't happen. Eric should sue her for defamation of his Junk Yard Dog's character.
    So it seems to me to be, this thing that I think I see.

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    This is the best train wreck on the FR forum since dave and todd first got into it on the original Apex thread some years back.

    And Nickle, you've got some strange ways with that bestiality fetish of yours. Keep it up and I'l report you to the Goderators.

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    That's Sarah Silverman. She's as hot as she is funny.

    As for my bestiality fetishes... well, you know all those missing dog signs you see stapled to phone poles on the front range...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickle
    That's Sarah Silverman. She's as hot as she is funny.

    As for my bestiality fetishes... well, you know all those missing dog signs you see stapled to phone poles on the front range...
    Thou shalt not backdoor the canines for it is an abomination. -- Leviticus 18:23
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