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    Goatheads

    I'm from NY and up until this morning I'd never heard of goatheads. The forum I was on is mostly roadies/commuters, these guys are telling me tubeless is no good. I'd mentioned Stan's No-Tubes and they said it was no good also. The only thing that works is Tuffy tire liners with heavy duty tubes.

    Is this right?
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    I've had pretty good luck with the Specialized Armadillo tires.

    http://www.specialized.com/us/en/bc/...ipTires26_Flat

    Good luck.

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    Where are you riding to get goatheads?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MTBerJim
    I'm from NY and up until this morning I'd never heard of goatheads. The forum I was on is mostly roadies/commuters, these guys are telling me tubeless is no good. I'd mentioned Stan's No-Tubes and they said it was no good also. The only thing that works is Tuffy tire liners with heavy duty tubes.

    Is this right?
    Really? Who fed you that load of crap?
    Tubeless w/ Stans sealant...done and dusted

    IE was watching me pulling 1/2 dzn of them out of my tires during lunch break at Lake P-Blow...and I use the the wicker basket leaky sidewall'd Conti Rubber Queen folding w/ Stan's. UST tires have way more meat than their folding ones (mostly in sidewalls, but some on the treads too). I love e-speculators!
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    Stans and non-tubeless tires has always done the job for me. The only time it doesn't is when the Stans has dried up.

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    I agree with Pau11y, load of crock, Tubeless works just fine, and Pueblo South Shore has plenty of goats heads and sharp rocks, and I have never had an issue?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y
    Really? Who fed you that load of crap?
    Tubeless w/ Stans sealant...done and dusted

    IE was watching me pulling 1/2 dzn of them out of my tires during lunch break at Lake P-Blow...and I use the the wicker basket leaky sidewall'd Conti Rubber Queen folding w/ Stan's. UST tires have way more meat than their folding ones (mostly in sidewalls, but some on the treads too). I love e-speculators!
    Agree here too. Stan's work great for goat heads... much better than tuffy liners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y
    Really? Who fed you that load of crap?
    Tubeless w/ Stans sealant...done and dusted


    Quote Originally Posted by MTBerJim
    The forum I was on is mostly roadies/commuters, these guys are telling me tubeless is no good. I'd mentioned Stan's No-Tubes and they said it was no good also.

    To be honest, I run tuffys in my commuter and have had no issues.
    Tubleless/ Stans rawks in bigger tires for sure, not sure about skinnies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bad andy!
    Where are you riding to get goatheads?
    Not me, I had no idea what these guy where talking about. It's easier if you just look for yourselves.

    Here

    BTW thanks for the info, I'd love to do some ride out you(s) way sometime.
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    Another vote of confidence on Stans (or other sealant) ability to keep air inside tubeless tires in goathead/thorn country. As already mentioned, you need to make sure that it's liquid and not dried up. This means checking your tires every 3-4 months, cleaning out the old with a rag if it's dried up and replacing with new.

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    +1 Stans

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    Quote Originally Posted by MTBerJim
    I'm from NY and up until this morning I'd never heard of goatheads. The forum I was on is mostly roadies/commuters, these guys are telling me tubeless is no good. I'd mentioned Stan's No-Tubes and they said it was no good also. The only thing that works is Tuffy tire liners with heavy duty tubes.

    Is this right?
    Slime tubes! A little extra weight but never a problem. I was born in Queens, NY, so you can trust me.

    Oh, and there are plenty of goatheads on the east coast. They just call them thorns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schnauzers
    Slime tubes! A little extra weight but never a problem. I was born in Queens, NY, so you can trust me.

    Oh, and there are plenty of goatheads on the east coast. They just call them thorns.
    How you do'in? Giants or Jets?

    Thorns I'm very familiar with, they'd be the reason I switched to Stan's
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    Quote Originally Posted by schnauzers
    Slime tubes! A little extra weight but never a problem. I was born in Queens, NY, so you can trust me.
    +1 for Queens. There, we rode heavy duty tires and Stans to keep from flatting on the glass and needles... goatheads are tame by comparison.
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    Just ran one over yesterday and wished I had a tubeless/sealant setup. It's a good reason to go tubeless.

    For a commuter the Spec Armadillo tires are great, they just don't flat.

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    I haven't had a goathead punture in three years (knock on wood). You all need to get better at staying on trail. As for commuting, don't ride on a sidewalk, or near the edge of the path. Those lovelies like to grow any where there is dirt and no competition. Also, proper tire inflation goes a long way in that department. I run Continental Gatorskins on my road bike, and a Gatorskin front and Continental Twister Pro (28x1.6--I love this tire why'd they stop making it?) out back on my commuter. Good luck. It's almost the season.

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    I wouldn't run them in my regular ride, but my "Cherry Creek Park" bike has Slime tubes. I have 3 years on a set now and have only "recharged" them once. You know they're working when the green stuff starts oozing out and you don't get a flat.

    For those who are are cheap-o or don't want a tubeless setup, buy the big bottles of Slime at Wal-Mart and DIY with a cheap/old tube. Cut a small slit and squirt it in. Then patch the tube.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckjoga
    For those who are are cheap-o or don't want a tubeless setup, buy the big bottles of Slime at Wal-Mart and DIY with a cheap/old tube. Cut a small slit and squirt it in. Then patch the tube.

    -Chuck
    Better yet, just core your tube. Schraders valves are easy, and Conti sells Presta tubes w/ removable cores. In fact, I shoot Tufo high pressure sealant into my Conti road tubes for my skinnies. But your method is very cool for doing it on the cheap!
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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckjoga

    For those who are are cheap-o or don't want a tubeless setup, buy the big bottles of Slime at Wal-Mart and DIY with a cheap/old tube. Cut a small slit and squirt it in. Then patch the tube.

    -Chuck
    This is actually a pretty good idea! would prob work well for the roadie tubes?? not that that bike ever gets ridden but a good idea none the less.

    I finally came to see the light on the mtb tubless!
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    Quote Originally Posted by PBR me!
    This is actually a pretty good idea! would prob work well for the roadie tubes??
    PBR, for roadies...
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    Quote Originally Posted by cyccommute View Post
    I know what Stan's is. The guy had Stan's in his tires (tires later delaminated because he had Stan's in it). It didn't help. Neither does Slime...I've tried it. It just makes a bigger mess.
    This is what I got in reply to clarifying what Stan's is.


    The tires later delaminated, I've had a set on tires w/Stan's in them for 5 years now. Have any of you even heard of this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MTBerJim
    This is what I got in reply to clarifying what Stan's is.


    The tires later delaminated, I've had a set on tires w/Stan's in them for 5 years now. Have any of you even heard of this?
    Nope. This is a first for me.
    Not too sure about commuter tires, but I would say that for most on this forum, we'd be lucky to get 5 months out of a set of rubber.
    Where is this person based, because CO definitely imposes a different life-span on tires. I'm suspecting it dry-rotted which is why it delam'd. If so, you're buddy would be right...no amount of Stans or Slime will save that tire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y
    Nope. This is a first for me.
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    Where is this person based, because CO definitely imposes a different life-span on tires. I'm suspecting it dry-rotted which is why it delam'd. If so, you're buddy would be right...no amount of Stans or Slime will save that tire.
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    Yup, I think we're talking apples vs cabbages in terms of tire life. So my bad! Your buddy's right...Stan's and Slime will have no effect on a 5 year old tire.

    Now, about 5 years on a single set of rubber...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MTBerJim
    How you do'in? Giants or Jets?

    Thorns I'm very familiar with, they'd be the reason I switched to Stan's
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y
    Now, about 5 years on a single set of rubber...
    You got me there. Bought a house, fixed the house. Grew a lawn, bought a lawn tractor My mountain bike moved from the garage to the shed, then further and further to the back of the shed.
    I stepped on the scale for the first time in a very l-o-n-g time a month ago, 202lbs.

    I've been bike commuting for about 2 weeks now, down to 197 and I'm getting a little lungs/legs again. That how I ended up on a roadie/commuter forum.
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    On my commuter I've got some bulletproof balloon commuter tire by Conti (can't think of the name for the life of me) slime tubes and tire liners. They weigh 9 million pounds but the last thing I want to do is change a flat.

    on the roadie, I ran Gatorskins, tire liners and stans/slime tubes for several years with real good luck but recently came across some road tubeless and I'm digging that setup. Used to think it was a solution in search of a problem but pretty happy so far this season.

    One caveat is that I haven't found a good training tire that has tread. I like to ride 25's early on to smooth out the ride but the only one so far is the Hutchinson Intensive. I haven't mic'd it yet but I doubt its much wider than a regular 23 and the tread is so far up from center that I don't put much value in it. Seems like a pretty high mileage tire and it's priced well to.

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    best thing I ever found ... skip the tuffys they suck! use decent tires, heavy duty tubes, and cut the valve stem out of an old tube slice it all the way around the inside and place the heavy duty tube inside it they you also have side wall protection.... only the MONDO mutant goat heads can get through..... been doin it for over 15 years.... gotten 4 flat tires in that time... and I used to get that many in a week before so Ya it works!!!!!!!!!! lots better'n puttin that goo in the tires! even shruggs off broken glass and such

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    Quote Originally Posted by FroggyBiker
    best thing I ever found ... skip the tuffys they suck! use decent tires, heavy duty tubes, and cut the valve stem out of an old tube slice it all the way around the inside and place the heavy duty tube inside it they you also have side wall protection.... only the MONDO mutant goat heads can get through..... been doin it for over 15 years.... gotten 4 flat tires in that time... and I used to get that many in a week before so Ya it works!!!!!!!!!! lots better'n puttin that goo in the tires! even shruggs off broken glass and such

    That or Tuffy's work but those options are heavy and worst of all, feel heavy while riding.

    The great thing about tubeless is how much better the ride is. Tires without tubes are much more supple, can be run at lower pressures and feel lighter.

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