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    FW: Jeffco Open Space Flood Damage Informational Meeting

    This was sent to me via email, just passing it along:

    As we continue to recover from the flooding this September, we want to keep you aware of the progress being made, and the plans for the future.



    Jeffco Open Space will be holding an information meeting on Tuesday, November 19th, from 6-8pm, at the American Mountaineering Center, 710 10th Street, Golden, CO 80401, in the conference rooms.



    We will provide a briefing on flood damage including the Apex Park closure, White Ranch Park trail closures and conditions, and North Table Mountain Park trail closures and conditions. The presentation will include our plan and project strategy, as well as involvement with the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA). Following the presentation, staff experts will be available for one-on-one questions regarding trails and repair work occurring in the three parks. Information on individual and group flood recovery involvement will also be presented.



    Apex Park suffered the most extensive flood damage and will require a thorough recovery plan. The historic Apex Trail, the main artery for park, has gullies up to 8 feet wide, mounds of boulders, and long stretches where all the soil has been washed away. The Jeffco Open Space Trails Team has assessed all 8.2 trail miles in the 697-acre park and identified hazards and problem areas throughout the trail system. The work to reopen the entire park will be comprehensive and is estimated to extend into 2014. View photos of the flood damage at Apex Park

    We welcome your questions and hope to see you on November 19.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pearl-drum-man View Post
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    Regardless of the official JCOS line only Apex Gulch suffered extensive damage from the storm. Upon hiking the park after the deluge and before the closure I observed that, for example, Argo is in good shape. It is ride-able and certainly hike-able. This is a neighborhood park and every effort should be made to open it if even only for hiking. It is totally unacceptable to slam it shut just for the convenience of JCOS.

    Where heavy machinery is being used local closure can be used as needed.

    Blanket closure is irresponsible.

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    FW: Jeffco Open Space Flood Damage Informational Meeting

    Agree. I don't believe blanket closure is acceptable either and I was glad to see White Ranch lower lot reopen and I respect the other necessary closures in place there (Mustang etc.) But these are public lands so again I don't think long-term blanket closure is acceptable when we all know over 80% of the total trail miles are good to go.

    Also, I don't think the JCOS website has communicated timelines or detailed rebuilding plans very well at all. I sent an email to JCOS concerning this aspect as well.

    As a side comment...maybe they'll spend the money to fix the trails instead of the IMHO rather unnecessary and very expensive bathroom/parking lot project.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GL1 View Post
    As a side comment...maybe they'll spend the money to fix the trails instead of the IMHO rather unnecessary and very expensive bathroom/parking lot project.
    I don't know first hand, but would guess the construction companies doing the parking lot and bathroom projects have signed contracts.
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    Or have volunteers rebuild the trails like every other place on earth. Ready& willing. Missing Apex hard these days..

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldenGeezer View Post
    Regardless of the official JCOS line only Apex Gulch suffered extensive damage from the storm. Upon hiking the park after the deluge and before the closure I observed that, for example, Argo is in good shape. It is ride-able and certainly hike-able. This is a neighborhood park and every effort should be made to open it if even only for hiking. It is totally unacceptable to slam it shut just for the convenience of JCOS.

    Where heavy machinery is being used local closure can be used as needed.

    Blanket closure is irresponsible.
    I have been advised that the the correct legalese is "the blanket closure is
    Arbitrary and Capricious"

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldenGeezer View Post
    I have been advised that the the correct legalese is "the blanket closure is Arbitrary and Capricious"
    Whatever happened to "Ride at your Own Risk" ?

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    You tough old farts had better be ready to dig, tear, and move rocks.

    I'm just not into another Apex meeting where everyone wants it their way. This isn't Burger King. You don't get it your way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 69erEverything View Post
    You tough old farts had better be ready to dig, tear, and move rocks.

    I'm just not into another Apex meeting where everyone wants it their way. This isn't Burger King. You don't get it your way.

    We all work together.
    What is "your way" slam it shut for a year? You're right this ain't Burger King, this is my neighborhood park. BTW I've volunteered numerous times building trail...as I'm sure you have too. I could have been up there this week rolling rocks but, no, it's slammed shut.

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    Whine about it one the internet, or grab a shovel, pick-axe, pry bar, and McLeod and get digging (exercise some civil disobedience).

    Some of you want your cake and to eat it, too.

    As for Apex being, "my neighborhood park," it's not. Apex is JCOS park. A neighborhood park is something like Heritage Dell Park or Eagle Ridge Park--surrounded by neighborhoods.

    The decision to close the park is more complicated than anyone here knows. Just be glad they're going to reopen it at all. Until then, pedal down the road and ride MW, DR, and GM; or up the road to CG, NTM, or WR. It's <9 miles of closed trail, for a year (maybe less).

    For those going to the meeting: listen to what is said without the filters of preconceived notions and entitlements. This is hardly the abuse of governmental authority that some are implying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogbie View Post
    For those going to the meeting: listen to what is said without the filters of preconceived notions and entitlements. This is hardly the abuse of governmental authority that some are implying.
    This no place for that kind of reasoned and civil discussion.. do you think you are in the real world or something?

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    Peace bro and let's work in unison to get this onerous closure rescinded asap...and the park is not an entitlement, I paid taxes for it. As for grabbing a shovel, etc. ..it's slammed shut, I can't go up there.

    And it is in my neighborhood so it's a neighborhood park. If a city park were slammed shut it in the same arbitrary and capricious way it would just as a egregious. I want to hear on the 19th a damn good explanation why Argo, Pick N' Sledge, Grubstake, Bonanza are closed when there is minimal damage, if any.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rogbie View Post
    For those going to the meeting: listen to what is said without the filters of preconceived notions and entitlements. This is hardly the abuse of governmental authority that some are implying.
    Ridiculous. Drinking kool-aid is what has gotten this country into the mess it's in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleTrail View Post
    Ridiculous. Drinking kool-aid is what has gotten this country into the mess it's in.
    It's the damn Marxists. They're everywhere.

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    From the pictures it is obvious that the main connector trail is severely damaged. It's probable unstable slopes exist above and below trails that may appear undamaged.

    All I'm saying is, temper your emotions and opinions when you go to this meeting. Otherwise you might miss the point entirely. How you present yourself reflects on the community you represent.

    As I stated before, there are many other places to ride while Apex is closed. Have patience and offer help when it is requested.

    Have you read this: Apex Park Requires Rebuilding?

    "'All the trails are interconnected and likely lead to hazard areas,' [Communications Manager Thea] Rock said. 'There’s also the potential of rockslides and rockfall.'"

    That all sounds fairly reasonable to me; neither capricious nor arbitrary.

    Further, "Twenty-six of 28 Open Space Parks are open for public enjoyment." With only, Apex and Lair o' the Bear closed. That means, ~93% of JCOS Parks are open. Pretty good considering the potential amount of damage across the entire park system.

    With the coming freeze/thaw cycles more rockfalls will occur and the potential for slope movement remains high. That's basic surficial geology: high relief + unconsolidated material + H2O + gravity = downslope movement, a serious potential hazard.

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    The only trail with significant damage is Apex Gulch and perhaps Enchanted Forest. Argo, Pick 'N Sledge, Grubstake, and Bonanza were untouched. A loop can be made on those without traveling the Gulch or EF. So it's false to say all trails are interconnected.

    As far a rockfall hazard goes then why is White Ranch open? It's certainly as rugged as Apex and with a similar geology.

    I suspect that it was just easier to slam it shut especially when the high importance parking lot project is ongoing. The public be damned.

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    How do we volunteer large amounts of time to rebuild? I am currently unemployed and offering up a solid 20 hours a week to rebuild a great trail.

    RIP Enchanted.

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    I am just happy to see that the other trails are opening up. I live in Heritage Square and used to ride Apex daily, but it isn't busting my balls to get a few more miles in to hit up White Ranch. Hell, even Chimney Gulch is comparable. I will remain patient for Apex and am thankful that there has been an effort to restore these parks. Also, with the above geological statement being true, it would really suck to see a rider or hiker down because they opened a trail that was "patched" without fixing any of the issues not visible to the eye (unsteady surfaces that cause rockslides).

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    You failed to read this: "All the trails are interconnected and likely lead to hazard areas." This means, even though some trails are undamaged, the lay out of the trails is such that they all connect to areas ("interconnected") that are damaged ("hazard areas").

    You're letting prejudices get in the way of seeing the problem. Because you perceive these trails as undamaged you think they're safe. However, you're not taking into account the broader scope. Yes, the closure sucks. But you must admit that the problems with the park are beyond your perception: you can't see the trees for the forest. Your belief that the park is safe despite professional recommendations that it is not clouds your judgement of the situation. Ultimately, if a person is injured because of poor park design or management the land manager is responsible--if not legally, ethically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kgm View Post
    How do we volunteer large amounts of time to rebuild? I am currently unemployed and offering up a solid 20 hours a week to rebuild a great trail.

    RIP Enchanted.
    Jeffco trail building volunteer opportunities.

    Though, "Volunteer projects are not on the immediate horizon for Apex Park."

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    Quote Originally Posted by kgm View Post
    How do we volunteer large amounts of time to rebuild? I am currently unemployed and offering up a solid 20 hours a week to rebuild a great trail.

    RIP Enchanted.
    Just go fix the trail! Not like you will get a ticket and most people will be very thankful! U will be amazed what one person can get done in 20 hours.
    Well thats what I hear anyways......

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    This is probably what would happen if you were shut down...
    "UMMMMM Sir! I going to have to ask you to stop. I appreciate your enthusiasm and all that, but you really need a permit before you do that up here....which you can purchase from us by the way.
    Any-whoo we have deemed that trail ""unsustainable"" so the Forest Service has promised to re route it for us...when they get a chance,haha. So Im going to have to ask you to leave please!!
    We will let you know when the park is open. Have a nice day!"

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    Alright, all you supporters of the Apex yearlong ban. I see the error in my thinking. If they were to open it up and some poor soul got hurt, how do you think that would make me feel? It would be "unethical" for me to plead for reopening the park until all the trails are buffed, wouldn't it be? So I will shut up and grin and bear it. The folks at JCOS have experts on staff (biologists, geologists, planners, etc.) so I will defer to them.

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    You're taking the closure and this discussion too personally. I don't think anyone supports the closure.

    If you're trying to elicit empathy, or sympathy, for your predicament you're looking in the wrong place. What it boils down to is this: you can't go play on your, what is essentially a, toy in 2.6% of all the park space in Jeffco. It's not the end of the world and it's not a government conspiracy to personally inconvenience you.

    In how many other instances do you defer to professionals on a daily basis? You can't go sticking your ego into everything you know little about. That's a good way to get a complex.

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    The answer: build trails on the Bachman parcel that the City bought, across the street from the fancy new restrooms.
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    I wonder what the pioneers would have done if the government had told them they couldn't settle Colorado because a rock might fall on them?



    You guys are starting to scare me. Please take your skirts off.

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    ^ Lets ban seatbelts, too!

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    See YOU tomorrow!

    This public meeting will be held on Tuesday, November 19th, from 6-8pm, at American Mountaineering Center, 710 10th Street, Golden, CO 80401, in the conference room.

    Jeffco Open Space will provide a briefing on flood damage including the Apex Park closure, White Ranch Park trail closures and conditions, and North Table Mountain Park trail closures and conditions. The presentation will include our plan and project strategy, as well as involvement with the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA). Following the presentation, staff experts will be available for one-on-one questions regarding trails and repair work occurring in the three parks. Information on individual and group flood recovery involvement will also be presented.

    Apex Park suffered the greatest flood damage and will require an in-depth recovery process. Apex trail, the main artery for park, has gullies up to 8 feet wide, mounds of boulders, and long stretches where all the soil has been washed away. The Jeffco Open Space Trails Crew has assessed all 8.2 trail miles in the 697-acre park and identified hazards and problem areas throughout the trail system. The work to reopen the entire park will be comprehensive and is estimated to extend into 2014. View photos of the flood damage at Apex Park

    To sign up for Apex Park updates, please email: apexpark@jeffco.us

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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleTrail View Post
    Please take your skirts off.
    Are you implying that wearing a skirt is representative of one's lack of toughness? Please, stop using misogynistic metaphors. Your gender bias is showing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleTrail View Post
    I wonder what the pioneers would have done if the government had told them they couldn't settle Colorado because a rock might fall on them?.
    I'm sure the state closure would all depend if people at the time would try to sue the gubment if a rock did fall on them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogbie View Post
    Are you implying that wearing a skirt is representative of one's lack of toughness? Please, stop using misogynistic metaphors. Your gender bias is showing.
    Of course I am and no I won't. My wife likes to have a man around the house.

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    Its obvious what is happening at APEX. They are using the storm damage as a convenient excuse to “reroute” Apex main trail from its “current configuration” so it cannot be shuttled. It’s that simple. That’s what the usage rules they installed a few years ago were intended to do and now they feel that have an opening to radically change APEX and finish the job. It pisses me off that they won’t just come out and say it, instead they have chosen cloak it all in bureaucratic BS which almost always begins and ends with “SAFTEY”. The damage up there could have been repaired in a week or 2 with minimal volunteers. So is everyone okay with them changing APEX, because that is what you are going to hear tomorrow night just what Kim Fredrick’s said in his press release ““The damage was so severe that this park needs a deliberate plan for the long term,” said Kim Frederick, Trails Supervisor… Apex Trail made use of an old wagon road that led to the gold fields of Central City. This historic path travels along an intermittent stream that’s subject to flooding. The trail is not likely to remain in its current configuration.” I for one LOVE Apex the way it is currently set up and plan on fighting as hard as I can with any plan that doesn’t include fixing the current trail and reopening ASAP!

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    Quote Originally Posted by board View Post
    Its obvious what is happening at APEX.
    All that FEMA money comes with strings attached.
    Like "if you rebuild it with our money, you must move it somewhere else". Imagine that!

    I'm sure things will only get better once the Feds move in.
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    Food thought, board, but that doesn't explain the closure of Argo and its connecting trails like Grubstake, Pick 'N Sledge, and Bonanza. You may be right but another theory is that the parking lot/bathroom project contractor just doesn't want to be bothered with the public hanging around. Or maybe JCOS is considering a solution to both "hassles". Shutting the park down is the easiest path for them to take, eh? To my thinking it would be so easy to put orange fencing (they seem to have lots of that) across the Gulch trail at the Argo junction. Then folks would have to go both up and down Argo. Uh Oh, they would have to have alternates days, bike/hike, like Centennial Cone. Or maybe just restrict bikes altogether, eh? More food for thought.

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    My theory is they don't want anyone on any of the trails up there because once people see what a small percentage of the trail is actually damaged and how repairable it is they will get a lot of pressure to simply repair and open it quickly without all of this rerouting non-sense. Right now APEX's damage is a little mysterious to most people which is making it easier for JeffCo to justify this unprecedented closure length. Boulder's trails were actually destroyed and they are already being reopened. Again this trail could be fixed and open in full with less than a weeks work. As to their position that this trail is prone to flooding? Please vie been riding there 17 plus years and nothing like this has ever even remotely occurred. We got hit w/ a freak 100 year type storm and Jeff Co isn’t going to miss an opportunity to exploit it.

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    board, you make a lot of sense. Keep the user community out, trump up the damage, and then close it so you can do what you want with it. How can you complain when you are "out of the loop"? But I still don't see what JCOS's grand plan is? No shuttling? Shuttlers use Chimney Gulch, don't they? Please enlighten me. Certainly they must know that "the game is up" when someone (group, GoogleEarth, ?) reliably reports, somehow, that most of the park suffered absolutely no damage. At that point their credibility with taxpayers and volunteers will be shot, don't you think?

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    Add me to the list of locals that are bummed about this lengthy closure. I contacted JeffCo early on to ask about a partial opening (as they did with white ranch). They gave me the 'extensive damage throughout the park' answer. I don't really buy it either. All the pictures I've seen have been on lower Apex trail, maybe one on enchanted. I haven't gone up there to personally check it out. I have family in town and won't make the meeting tomorrow - I hope someone will post up a summary.

    I ride Apex from my house, and usually get in 60ish rides up there every year. Been riding up there for a decade now. I know every rock, and having such a beautiful and challenging trail nearby has been my therapy through the years. I owe my sanity to the Apex trail! On the bright side, the closure has gotten me out to explore other places. When Apex is open I was never able to justify a 20 minute drive to Deer Creek or Elk Meadow!

    Now, on to what we need in JeffCo. We need directional, bike only trails. These types of trails have no problems handling high bike traffic. Golden is a mountain biking town, and with the bike traffic we see on our trails, a bike specific trail is warranted! I've voiced this opinion to JeffCo (and sent links to news stories of Fruita's new bike-specific trails - and their economic impact to the town). They seemed to like the idea. How can we make this happen?
    And this old trail will lead me right back to where it begins

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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleTrail View Post
    All that FEMA money comes with strings attached.
    Like "if you rebuild it with our money, you must move it somewhere else". Imagine that!

    I'm sure things will only get better once the Feds move in.
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    There is a difference between theory and conjecture: theory is based on known and tested data; conjecture is formed from incomplete or inadequate information.

    It's safe to say the county's assessment of damage is more complete than that of an untrained layperson.

    Go to the meeting to learn something. And remember, those presenting information are not your enemies, they're doing their jobs. Sometimes people have to make decisions in their jobs that impact other people. They know that, don't throw it in their faces. Be polite and respectful, it goes a long way in gaining perspective and understanding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogbie View Post
    It's safe to say the county's assessment of damage covers their ass better than that of an untrained layperson.
    fixed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trailhonky View Post
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    Now, on to what we need in JeffCo. We need directional, bike only trails. These types of trails have no problems handling high bike traffic. Golden is a mountain biking town, and with the bike traffic we see on our trails, a bike specific trail is warranted! I've voiced this opinion to JeffCo (and sent links to news stories of Fruita's new bike-specific trails - and their economic impact to the town). They seemed to like the idea. How can we make this happen?
    Fruita doesn't have any bike-only trails.

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    Just come out tonight and talk with the Jeffco crew. There are many questions...

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    Quote Originally Posted by COMBA.org View Post
    Just come out tonight and talk with the Jeffco crew. There are many questions...
    I missed the meeting tonight. Anyone care to share the cliffs notes?

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    Any info on NTM? Not that i don't like Apex, it funnels all the knuckleheads away from NTM (case in point, two days ago I saw my first full face helmet on NTM, cracked me up), but NTM is in my backyard so I tend to use it as the fallback, "I got an hour", ride.

    Thanks in advance for all the insightful info!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Rizz View Post
    I missed the meeting tonight. Anyone care to share the cliffs notes?

    copy of a buddy's email

    "Ok - here's the summary...

    Overall, everything was much less dramatic than I was expecting in terms of both the tone of the meeting and the level of reconstruction.

    The presentation was an overview of what happened, and some videos and maps of the damage areas. As we already knew, most of the damage is minor to moderate, with probably 4-5 massive blowouts.

    They intend to tackle it in three phases:
    1. Frontside trails - Argos, PnS, Grubstake, etc. - open within the next few months, volunteer days and therefore weather permitting
    2. Upper trails - Upper Apex, Hardscrabble, EF, etc. - open next when a few bigger fixes are done to make the connection - 6 months? (my guess)
    3. The gut - Lower Apex and lower PnS - bigger effort with heavy construction, culverts, etc. My guess is mid-summer of next year.

    They are hoping to do a series of volunteer days, perhaps weekly, to try and get it open. Weather permitting of course. The first one is supposed to be on Monday.

    The alternating day rule will probably remain in effect as trails are opened up, meaning that for most of the next year it will be alternating day no bikes at all. (Honestly, I think that makes sense given the circumstances).

    I was truly expecting a dramatic reroute of the gut and I'm a bit surprised that they are going to fix it in place. I think I told Al and Ben before the meeting that I'd put money on that. (Good thing I didn't).

    Also, a bike skills area is confirmed to be in the plans. They also noted on several occasions that level of interest and involvement from local neighborhoods. That is good."
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    Also, a bike skills area is confirmed to be in the plans. They also noted on several occasions that level of interest and involvement from local neighborhoods. That is good."
    Good indeed, I didn't know that was even a rumor.

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