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    Front Range AM Wheelset

    So I just finished building my 2010 Yeti ASR-7 and on my second ride out I put a nasty flat spot in my rear wheel. The current wheelset on the bike is the Mavic Crosslines and they are very mediocre to say the least. They are not tubeless ready either, so I'm curious to know what wheels you "AM" guys have been happy with lately here in the FR. I'm looking for tubeless ready and also don't want to break the bank either, and I'm not opposed to buying used if anyone has a set they are trying to sell. Thanks ya'll

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    l am sure you will get lots of recommendations..

    My current set up is Hadley Hubs with WTB Laser TCS Trail wheels. I found them on pinkbike for $300 all ready to go. Really I got them for the hubs, but so far have been happy with the rims as well. Not the lightest (455g is advertised), but reasonably priced.. I have beat them up a little in the short time I have had them and so far they are still true..

    Interested in hearing what others recommend because at some point I will probably build the hubs on something else..

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    Wait a second...

    Is this a "What's the best AM wheel for the Front Range" thread?


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    WTB Frequency i23's rim, Hope hubs. Thick spokes. Have a local place build 'em. Phil over at Salvagetti does nice work.

    OR get some of these puppies and add them to add an extra layer to the layup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hirschmj View Post
    OR get some of these puppies and add them to add an extra layer to the layup.
    really carbon wheel curious

    anyone have thoughts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WKD-RDR View Post
    really carbon wheel curious

    anyone have thoughts?
    They'll shatter and YOU'LL DIE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hirschmj View Post
    WTB Frequency i23's rim, Hope hubs. Thick spokes. Have a local place build 'em.
    This...I've been beating on mine for the last 6 months and they are holding up quite nicely. Go with a bolt up rear hub too while you're at it.

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    I was just talking wheels with a buddy.
    CRC has a sale going on, 10% off extra a day on a bunch of stuff.
    Tomorrow is when the prices hit bottom.

    WTB Stryker AM. Frequency i23 rims, WTB LaserDisk hubs (same hubs American Classic uses for their wheels), 20mm/135mm. ~1700g
    approx. $400 (take the prices you see and subtract 10%).

    Front: WTB Stryker TCS AM Race Front Wheel 20mm 2012 | Buy Online | ChainReactionCycles.com
    Rear: WTB Stryker TCS All Mountain Race Rear Wheel 2012 | Buy Online | ChainReactionCycles.com

    or

    CRC also has a good deal on Hope/Stan's Flow combo; ~$450 for the set

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    Quote Originally Posted by WKD-RDR View Post
    really carbon wheel curious

    anyone have thoughts?
    I've been eyeing this option for a while. Seems like they're prone to cracking on the tire bead. If you don't tend to flatspot your rims, you should be ok.

    They have full sets on Novatech hubs for ~$500. Shipping is quite a bit, though.

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    Hadley with flow rims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles View Post
    Wait a second...

    Is this a "What's the best AM wheel for the Front Range" thread?

    Yes I believe it is...
    I did a search and nothing was recent

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    Quote Originally Posted by andrewnielson View Post
    So I just finished building my 2010 Yeti ASR-7 and on my second ride out I put a nasty flat spot in my rear wheel. The current wheelset on the bike is the Mavic Crosslines and they are very mediocre to say the least. They are not tubeless ready either, so I'm curious to know what wheels you "AM" guys have been happy with lately here in the FR. I'm looking for tubeless ready and also don't want to break the bank either, and I'm not opposed to buying used if anyone has a set they are trying to sell. Thanks ya'll
    What's your price range and expectations for a good wheelset? Weigth vs stiffness, engagement, straight pull or j bend spokes. A lot of the guys I am riding with use Stan's Flows with Hope's or Kings. Crossmax SX after 2012 is a good UST wheelset. I am interested in the new I9 wheels when my current set dies. I have been Using Fulcrum Red Zones for 2.5 seasons. They have been great except spokes are terribly hard to find, UST. They are soft at the rim so when I do flat spot them I just use a crescent wrench and straighten them. Unlike my old Mavics they don't crack when bent back.

    Some of the WTB suggestions below are good options at a great price.

    DT makes some good wheels but don't have the high engagement of some of the other high end hubs. DT Swiss - Wheels


    If I had $1100 to just blow I might buy a set of the new AM wheels in the article below. So expesive.

    Industry Nine Announces Torch Series Hubs and Wheelsets - Pinkbike

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    I recently read an article that compared all the higher end hubs (hadley, hope, I9 etc), I wish I could find it for you. But, it made it clear that buying some good hubs and building up wheels was the way to go. It actually went in favor of the Hadleys, but said all were good.. liked Hadley's bombproofness and ease of servicing. ( i read this article about a week after I purchased my Hadley's and it made my day)

    Have you thought about just building up a rear wheel first and then building up a front wheel later??

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    Anrew:

    Your weight, tires you're using and trails you're riding? The Mavic Crosslines are a bit skinny, but should have been tough enough? I suggest getting some wider rims that are laced with some beefy spokes. I can't believe you already trashed those rims? I tested a ASR7 that had those wheels down at the Pueblo Rez on all the gnarly trails and never had an issue.

    If you are going to mention the new Torch, at least use our press release:

    Industry Nine Introduces The Torch Series Wheels, Rims And Hubs | Mountain Bike Review

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    Quote Originally Posted by pastajet View Post
    Anrew:

    Your weight, tires you're using and trails you're riding? The Mavic Crosslines are a bit skinny, but should have been tough enough? I suggest getting some wider rims that are laced with some beefy spokes. I can't believe you already trashed those rims? I tested a ASR7 that had those wheels down at the Pueblo Rez on all the gnarly trails and never had an issue.

    If you are going to mention the new Torch, at least use our press release:

    Industry Nine Introduces The Torch Series Wheels, Rims And Hubs | Mountain Bike Review
    I'm about 210 fully geared up. Currently have the Kenva 2.4 stickies on there and love em. Mostly ride around Palmer Park/Ute Valley Area and sometimes the Werks Center in Monument.

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    If your not looking to spend a fortune and weight isn't a giant concern Azonic outlaws are not a bad idea. I used to use them on my DH bike and i weigh around 200 and never had a problem with them. You can pick them up from high 2s to low 3s usually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pastajet View Post
    Anrew:

    If you are going to mention the new Torch, at least use our press release:

    Industry Nine Introduces The Torch Series Wheels, Rims And Hubs | Mountain Bike Review
    Honestly didn't know you guys did a review. So no love between Pinkbike and MTBR?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WKD-RDR View Post
    really carbon wheel curious

    anyone have thoughts?
    Got me some Reynolds and DT Swiss' in 26 form factor, and a pair of those LB "puppies" in a 29er form factor. Can't find deals on and thus can't afford Enves...
    What do you want to know?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    Got me some Reynolds and DT Swiss' in 26 form factor, and a pair of those LB "puppies" in a 29er form factor. Can't find deals on and thus can't afford Enves...
    What do you want to know?
    reliability of the Chinese stuff (who's a good vendor)
    real world experience - a summary of the 126 page thread
    better to get the hoops and have 'em built, or are their hubs worth a dam?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WKD-RDR View Post
    reliability of the Chinese stuff (who's a good vendor)
    real world experience - a summary of the 126 page thread
    better to get the hoops and have 'em built, or are their hubs worth a dam?
    Novatek(?) hubs blow...build them w/ something better; get hoops only. BUT, wait till...say March or so till they have their new mfg process in place for the 29er (if that's the form factor you're going for).

    There was some reliability issue in the earlier batches. But, I've been following ppl's results w/ them and the later batches have all bee fine. I ordered my LB (Nancy) rims of the flavor, "Wider" 29er AM...and I specifically asked for "heavier/stronger" ones. Their page said the rims should come to you ~ 400g, but mine were 431 and 429.

    On build, many have gone all the way up to 110 - 115kgf on the tension (brass nips). But when I built mine (alloy nips...didn't have any brass ones on hand), I was struggling to put more than 95 - 100kgf on my spokes (DT Comps), even w/ automotive assembly lube on threads and nip-bed. Problem is they drill the holes 100% to the plane of the rim and straight in from hub's axle center. So, when you twist your hub during lacing your putting some side load onto your nips against the really thick carbon nip-bed, making it hard to spin the nips once you tension everything up. The good part to this is your nips won't likely to back themselves out... Anyway, here's a link on their new mfg process and pics of just how thick the nip-bed is: Technology Improve Of Light-Bicycle Carbon MTB 650B Rims Light-Bicycle

    Real world ride feel? Dooood! I even have those boat-anchor of tires (Conti TK 2.4 29er...1110g/ea!) on mine and they still feel light and nible! I'm pretty certain it because how stiff those wheels are.

    If I was to do it again, and I'm going to when their new process is in place for the 29ers, I'd use the DT brass w/ the hex head nips, and maybe go w/ their Revo spokes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    Novatek(?) hubs blow...build them w/ something better; get hoops only. BUT, wait till...say March or so till they have their new mfg process in place for the 29er (if that's the form factor you're going for).
    Was thinking of getting these hoops to replace my old ones on my DT Swiss 1750s, keeping the hubs (love 'em)
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    Quote Originally Posted by WKD-RDR View Post
    Was thinking of getting these hoops to replace my old ones on my DT Swiss 1750s, keeping the hubs (love 'em)
    I'd email Nancy to see when their new process will be extended to the 26 rims...

    Edit: the old method is fine. But if you can get lighter and stronger for the same price...just sayin'
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    I'd email Nancy to see when their new process will be extended to the 26 rims...

    Edit: the old method is fine. But if you can get lighter and stronger for the same price...just sayin'
    Thanks for the link above to the new layup.
    WKD, post what you find out from Nancy. I've been thinking about these rims for a while; I may pull the trigger on the new layup wide 26ers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MK_ View Post
    Thanks for the link above to the new layup.
    WKD, post what you find out from Nancy. I've been thinking about these rims for a while; I may pull the trigger on the new layup wide 26ers.

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    You guys might want to keep an eye out on their drilling option too. There was a guy on that mega-thread who had LB drill the rims to run internal nipples (2.5mm dia holes). But I think there may be some flaw in that idea...smaller dia spokes creating more stress on the fibers around the holes when you twist your hub/spokes. But it is an interesting idea...just don't know how much you'd benefit from it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Josie7 View Post
    good article... thx

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    Quote Originally Posted by MK_ View Post
    Thanks for the link above to the new layup.
    WKD, post what you find out from Nancy. I've been thinking about these rims for a while; I may pull the trigger on the new layup wide 26ers.

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    Hmm, I'd have to sell a set of wheels to afford to build a set of Chinese carbon rims up on hubs I already own, which just sounds wrong... Anyone want some Sun Charger Pro 26's?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    Here is what Nancy says considering the new process for the 26er wide rims:

    For the new process, we are now testing on 29er wide rims. For 26er wide rims, currently, we do not have the plan to change it to use new manufacturing. 26er wide rims failure rate is very low.
    The strength is now stable. But we will consider it after Chinese New Year vacation( Feb 4th to Feb 17th).
    Now, we are doing on 29er wider rims. If everything goes on well, we will try on 26er wide rims. Because it takes some time to test, also to modify the pre-molds.
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    Who do you all suggest for building wheels, that is not in my bag of tricks..and what does that usually cost?
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    Certainly Dave at Redstone in Lyons does. Closer to you, I don't know.

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    +1 for Redstone, post build service is second to none.


    thanks for posting the message from Nancy, MK_. I never heard back.
    Certainly let me know if you pull the trigger
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    Same here. I am planning a trip to China in May so I'll probably pick up a set when I'm there.
    If you decide to get a set before then, lemme know and I might split the shipping with you.

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    i might consider it too making the shipping better..

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    I won't have the funds till the tax returns come back. So...like early/mid April...?

    Edit: SS told me he wanted some too, so a big group order could def help w the shipping. I'm not sure if there's a price break if we go over certain number of units...?

    Edit edit: will update about price break...just emailed Nancy/Brian.
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    Okay, enough of a thread hijack. Started another one for carbon rims...
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    These are likely the best cost vs durability vs ease of tubeless set up wheels that we've found. For 95% of the people out there the hubs are plenty tough enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaj View Post
    These are likely the best cost vs durability vs ease of tubeless set up wheels that we've found. For 95% of the people out there the hubs are plenty tough enough.

    ZTR Flow EX 26" Stock Wheelset
    Yeah, I like my Flows. I've beat them pretty good around Colorado and did "The Whole Enchilada" in Moab on them still rolling true after 3-4ft drops.

    I'm about 135lbs and 145 or so with the gear on for your reference - bike itself is carbon fiber. Not so sure about the carbon wheels myself. They seem to explode which would be pretty painful vs just denting one on a high speed run. I do wish the flows were lighter but I haven't really found anything lighter at a decent price point that doesn't compromise the performance. The Chinese sourced rims seem to have an excellent price point but after reading through the forums it seems like they're using us as a "test dummy" to refine their wheel fabrication processes. Not bashing them at all - hard to beat the price and if they work as advertised that's great as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by digktialx View Post
    Not so sure about the carbon wheels myself. They seem to explode which would be pretty painful...
    Links to examples of exploding carbon wheels, plz?
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    here you go:





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    Quote Originally Posted by MK_ View Post
    here you go:





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    Thanks MK_
    Been hearing a lot about exploding carbon...these are the first pics I've seen! What kind of context; is this a DH bike w/ XC class rims? Is this yours MK_?
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    Here's the context:
    ENVE Composites DH Wheels - Tested - Pinkbike

    The photos were removed from article per request from Enve. These are their DH rims on a DH bike. Ridden by what appears (from the comments section) to be a royal knucklehead. Precisely the type of person that should thrash on wheels. The rims cracked during a G-out, whatever that means exactly; he rode them a few more runs until this happened.

    I could not justify Enve rims with my measly income.

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    Here's one in action - Exploding Carbon Wheel Video - Pinkbike

    There's a few more videos but I like this one since the two man spandex crew appears to be both knocked unconscious by the fall.

    I just think the carbon wheels is just too much to bank on for the type of riding I do. If they busted out like that I'd be seriously hurt maybe even killed. Which would be one less warranty claim but perhaps a lawsuit claim.

    I'd like to see more testing and maturation of the product personally. Similar to carbon frames it took awhile for those to gain acceptance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MK_ View Post
    Here's the context:
    ENVE Composites DH Wheels - Tested - Pinkbike

    The photos were removed from article per request from Enve. These are their DH rims on a DH bike. Ridden by what appears (from the comments section) to be a royal knucklehead. Precisely the type of person that should thrash on wheels. The rims cracked during a G-out, whatever that means exactly; he rode them a few more runs until this happened.

    I could not justify Enve rims with my measly income.

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    Good read, thanks!
    The other contextual thing was that rim supposedly is from a batch of protos w/ reduced weight, ~30g. Makes me glad I asked for the "heavier/stronger" rims when I ordered my LB...~30g beyond the published weight of standard ones

    I didn't read thru the comments, but the writing of that piece is a bit suspicious..."smoother WC courses," "loud 'pop' at the bottom of a g-out..." I'd be curious what the writer's idea of a g-out is?

    Oh, on an OT...Nancy told me a couple of months ago that they're talking to someone in North America about producing a 30mm internal width DH class rim...
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    I have ridden with the fellow who wrote that article (Brad) and I will say that without question he can test those wheels like no other.. we looked at that rock jump (the pictures in the article) this year and honestly I can't imagine ever hitting it and no one in the group hit it that day, including Brad. The dude is one hell of a rider, super smooth, super fast and a really nice guy, I wouldn't be suspicious of anything but the wheels..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Josie7 View Post
    I have ridden with the fellow who wrote that article (Brad) and I will say that without question he can test those wheels like no other.. we looked at that rock jump (the pictures in the article) this year and honestly I can't imagine ever hitting it and no one in the group hit it that day, including Brad. The dude is one hell of a rider, super smooth, super fast and a really nice guy, I wouldn't be suspicious of anything but the wheels..
    He must be good! 'Cause if I were to describe WC courses, "smooth" wouldn't be in my quiver of adjectives
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    If you read the article carefully and some of the comments (the article has gone through some edits since original posting so info may have disappeared); the rims were actually heavier than claimed production weight. It's all neither here nor there but it just showcases the mode of failure.

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