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    So it seems to me to be, this thing that I think I see.

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    Still liked to have seen Mt Evans worked into this race. Just dunno about the logistics of getting them back down the mountain :/
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    "Every Subaru out there has a bike rack on top of it," Morris said.

    Can we turn this into a how many bike rack poseurs are there in Boulder discussion? Please.

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    Yeah... until they sort out getting the Pikes Peak Road set up as a stage finish.

    I mean, c'mon, at 7300', it's only a 1900' climb, in 7 miles. While it's no doubt a tough climb (I've never done it), to call it our "Alp d'Huez" is wishful at best since it doesn't compare to the 9.5 mile, 4900' of Alp d'Huez. I wonder what category it is?

    Pikes Peak Highway, at 19 miles and just shy of 7000', would quickly become a "signature" finish for any bike race!!
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    It sure would be awesome to see just how fast the pros can climb that hill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skiahh View Post
    Yeah... until they sort out getting the Pikes Peak Road set up as a stage finish.

    I mean, c'mon, at 7300', it's only a 1900' climb, in 7 miles. While it's no doubt a tough climb (I've never done it), to call it our "Alp d'Huez" is wishful at best since it doesn't compare to the 9.5 mile, 4900' of Alp d'Huez. I wonder what category it is?

    Pikes Peak Highway, at 19 miles and just shy of 7000', would quickly become a "signature" finish for any bike race!!
    As far as a PIkes Peak finish, maybe it's something to do with having racers who've never been over 12k before racing to over 14k. I mean, there's a limit, ya know?

    As far as Flagstaff not being a worthy climb, skiahh you need to do your own time trial up Flagstaff then report back to us.
    So it seems to me to be, this thing that I think I see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skiahh View Post
    Yeah... until they sort out getting the Pikes Peak Road set up as a stage finish.

    I mean, c'mon, at 7300', it's only a 1900' climb, in 7 miles. While it's no doubt a tough climb (I've never done it), to call it our "Alp d'Huez" is wishful at best since it doesn't compare to the 9.5 mile, 4900' of Alp d'Huez. I wonder what category it is?

    Pikes Peak Highway, at 19 miles and just shy of 7000', would quickly become a "signature" finish for any bike race!!
    Flagstaff would make for a great finish. Pikes Peak would be epic enough to draw big time climbers, and could be truly legendary.

    Here are some stats I found online:

    Pikes Peak
    Length – 19 Miles
    Elevation at Tollgate – 7,750 ft.
    Elevation at Summit – 14,110 ft.
    Maximum Grade – 10.5%
    Average Grade – 6.7%

    Alpe d'Huez
    Length - 8.2 Miles
    Height start - 2441 ft
    Height top - 5855 ft
    Maximum Grade - 10.6 %
    Average Grade - 8.1 %

    The Pikes Peak climb would actually even be a bit longer than specified, as those stats are from the Toll Gate, which you have to climb to get to. The average grade for Pikes Peak is less than Alpe d'Huez, but the length is more than double and the actual altitude would be killer.

    The logistics of getting everyone up and down Pikes Peak would be a nightmare. On the other hand, they go through these logistics every year with the Pikes Peak Hill Climb.

    Any mountain top finish would be great, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleTrail View Post
    "Every Subaru out there has a bike rack on top of it," Morris said.

    Can we turn this into a how many bike rack poseurs are there in Boulder discussion? Please.

    http://forums.roadbikereview.com/gen...urs-66788.html

    No. I think the thread is much better if it stays on the topic of how cool a finish up Flagstaff would be.

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    Pikes Peak
    Length – 19 Miles
    Elevation at Tollgate – 7,750 ft.
    Elevation at Summit – 14,110 ft.
    Maximum Grade – 10.5%
    Average Grade – 6.7%

    Alpe d'Huez
    Length - 8.2 Miles
    Height start - 2441 ft
    Height top - 5855 ft
    Maximum Grade - 10.6 %
    Average Grade - 8.1 %

    Key stat here is that all of the gnarly climbing in France is done nearly 2,000 feet below the startline of Pikes Peak. Gradients are nearly equal nothing else is.
    So it seems to me to be, this thing that I think I see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xcguy View Post
    Pikes Peak
    Length – 19 Miles
    Elevation at Tollgate – 7,750 ft.
    Elevation at Summit – 14,110 ft.
    Maximum Grade – 10.5%
    Average Grade – 6.7%

    Alpe d'Huez
    Length - 8.2 Miles
    Height start - 2441 ft
    Height top - 5855 ft
    Maximum Grade - 10.6 %
    Average Grade - 8.1 %

    Key stat here is that all of the gnarly climbing in France is done nearly 2,000 feet below the startline of Pikes Peak. Gradients are nearly equal nothing else is.
    Yeah, but what a way to develop a moar bad-assery rep for a race in North America.
    So, ya smoked Alpe d'Huez did ya? Well, there's this race in Colorado ya might want to give a go...
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    I'd like to see them do sunshine canyon to the top (including the dirt section) instead of flagstaff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomP View Post
    Our Alp d' Huez is Independence Pass.
    Just need to stop on top instead of descending into Aspen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomP View Post
    Our Alp d' Huez is Independence Pass.
    Having done some riding around France on my honeymoon, I thought that Independence Pass was very similar to Col du Galibier.


    The interesting thing about Alpe d'Huez is the switchbacks, they are not like here in Colorado. On Flagstaff, for example, the gradient always kicks up when going around a switchback, they are the toughest sections. On Alpe d'Huez the switchbacks are nearly perfectly flat, that's where you rest.
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    Alpe d'Huez contains 2 'e's.




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    Quote Originally Posted by lubes17319 View Post
    Alpe d'Huez contains 2 'e's.




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    I Googled how to spell it and it came up "Alp". I should have Googled in French!
    So it seems to me to be, this thing that I think I see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xcguy View Post
    As far as a PIkes Peak finish, maybe it's something to do with having racers who've never been over 12k before racing to over 14k. I mean, there's a limit, ya know?

    As far as Flagstaff not being a worthy climb, skiahh you need to do your own time trial up Flagstaff then report back to us.
    I didn't say it wasn't a worthy climb... just that I wouldn't call it our "Alp d'Huez". As for me climbing it, I'm a crappy climber, so even when I'm in shape, I'd need someone to follow along to pick up my lungs.

    Quote Originally Posted by baker View Post
    Flagstaff would make for a great finish. Pikes Peak would be epic enough to draw big time climbers, and could be truly legendary.

    Here are some stats I found online:

    Pikes Peak
    Length – 19 Miles
    Elevation at Tollgate – 7,750 ft.
    Elevation at Summit – 14,110 ft.
    Maximum Grade – 10.5%
    Average Grade – 6.7%

    Alpe d'Huez
    Length - 8.2 Miles
    Height start - 2441 ft
    Height top - 5855 ft
    Maximum Grade - 10.6 %
    Average Grade - 8.1 %

    The Pikes Peak climb would actually even be a bit longer than specified, as those stats are from the Toll Gate, which you have to climb to get to. The average grade for Pikes Peak is less than Alpe d'Huez, but the length is more than double and the actual altitude would be killer.

    The logistics of getting everyone up and down Pikes Peak would be a nightmare. On the other hand, they go through these logistics every year with the Pikes Peak Hill Climb.

    Any mountain top finish would be great, though.
    Interesting, looks my initial search gave some wrong numbers; yours look more accurate than mine with more googling. So maybe it's closer to Flagstaff than I thought. Still... with all the climbs we have around here, I think there are better choices for our race's "signature" climb.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    Yeah, but what a way to develop a moar bad-assery rep for a race in North America.
    So, ya smoked Alpe d'Huez did ya? Well, there's this race in Colorado ya might want to give a go...
    There's another climb that would be a great climbing finish, but it's not out here. The Mt Washington hill climb in NH would be tougher than either Flagstaff or Pikes Peak. 7.6 miles, 4700' up, 12% average grade with a 22% section at the finish.

    It's strictly a climb race, but can you imagine that climb at the end of a 100km stage??

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    Quote Originally Posted by nepbug View Post
    Having done some riding around France on my honeymoon, I thought that Independence Pass was very similar to Col du Galibier.


    The interesting thing about Alpe d'Huez is the switchbacks, they are not like here in Colorado. On Flagstaff, for example, the gradient always kicks up when going around a switchback, they are the toughest sections. On Alpe d'Huez the switchbacks are nearly perfectly flat, that's where you rest.
    Great point about the switchbacks.

    One website lists the current unofficial record for Flagstaff from the Gregory Canyon turn to the very top at 23 minutes. The section on Baseline from Broadway to the Gregory turnoff is a tough little 1.4 mile, 350 foot vertical climb in itself, but lets say because the riders are superstars, they could do from Broadway/Baseline to the Boulder Mountain Parks sign in 25 minutes. That is a long enough climb at the end of a stage to cause some serious time losses.

    Magnolia Road is the steepest road around Boulder but it is not long enough to be a finishing climb and the logistics wouldn't work.

    Flagstaff would be perfect. The approach would go right through town, and the climb is steep enough and long enough to be serious.

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    Make 'em do a super Walker. That would separate the men from the boys.

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    I would love to see the pros hammering up Flagstaff. At one time I thought I was pretty fast. I had just rounded the sharp switchback to the right going to the parking area, I was out of the saddle, legs a' churning. Some guy came up around me doing easily twice as fast and left me in the dust. He was going around me, he was gone. I couldn't have accelerated any more if there was a hundred dollar bill dangling in front of me.

    There's amateur fast, there's pro fast, then there's the best pros fast.

    If someone had witnessed my demise at the hands, errr pedals, of that rider, they could have described it as "carnage at the back of the peloton" fo' sho'.
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    Hmmmm, why not Magnolia Road? -that is a much more challenging grade... Oh wait, there is already a race up to hwy 72 using this route.

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    What are they considering to be the finish line? It seems obvious to me at the parking area on "top" but I don't remember a "wall" to there. The "wall" to me is after you pass that turnoff to the right and continue on toward Walker Ranch.
    So it seems to me to be, this thing that I think I see.

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    It would be really cool to see - but the problem with Flagstaff is that it's a main road for residents up there. I tried VERY hard to secure a permit to run a time trial up Flagstaff and was shut down from just about every department: Boulder County Parks, Boulder City Parks, Fire, and more.
    It was a nightmare. I'd love to see it, but Boulder County will be hard to sway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KeepItSimpleSpeed View Post
    Boulder County will be hard to sway.
    How much money would you have brought to Boulder v. how much money will this bring to Boulder?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KeepItSimpleSpeed View Post
    It would be really cool to see - but the problem with Flagstaff is that it's a main road for residents up there. I tried VERY hard to secure a permit to run a time trial up Flagstaff and was shut down from just about every department: Boulder County Parks, Boulder City Parks, Fire, and more.
    It was a nightmare. I'd love to see it, but Boulder County will be hard to sway.
    Hahaha... if Boulder shuts down Flagstaff, think the race will ever go thru Boulder again? It'd be like Golden shutting down the Lookout climb, no?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KeepItSimpleSpeed View Post
    It would be really cool to see - but the problem with Flagstaff is that it's a main road for residents up there. I tried VERY hard to secure a permit to run a time trial up Flagstaff and was shut down from just about every department: Boulder County Parks, Boulder City Parks, Fire, and more.
    It was a nightmare. I'd love to see it, but Boulder County will be hard to sway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skiahh View Post
    There's another climb that would be a great climbing finish, but it's not out here. The Mt Washington hill climb in NH would be tougher than either Flagstaff or Pikes Peak. 7.6 miles, 4700' up, 12% average grade with a 22% section at the finish.

    It's strictly a climb race, but can you imagine that climb at the end of a 100km stage??
    Are you also factoring in altitude? I'm thinking a lot of the CO climbs start at the top if not higher than some of the East Coast climbs, yeah?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    It'd be like Golden shutting down the Lookout climb, no?
    There is more than one way down from lookout.
    The only alternate route to get off the top of Flagstaff is a long drive on a not so great dirt road.

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    East coast high points are in the 6K range.

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    Are you also factoring in altitude? I'm thinking a lot of the CO climbs start at the top if not higher than some of the East Coast climbs, yeah?
    The highest point east of the Mississippi is Mount Mitchell in North Carolina at 6,684 feet elevation. Mt Washington in NH is 6,288. Boulder is 5,430.

    So, yeah. I'd say that for all intents and purposes, our climbs tend to start above the typical high points. Especially if you look at climbs in CO west of the Front Range. My favorite, Independence, starts pretty high. In that 3rd stage where they start in Gunny, it's 7K-ish to start, then two 12K passes (passing through BV at 8K-ish)

    By the time they get to Stage 6 they will have had plenty of lung busting climbs at high elevation. So if they aren't acclimated to thin air before they get here, they'll be pretty well shelled climbing Flagstaff.

    By the way, altitude is how far off the ground you are, elevation is how far above se level you are. If I'm standing on top of Indy Pass at 12,095 elev and jump a foot in the air, I'm at 1 foot altitude and 12,096 elevation, however briefly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KeepItSimpleSpeed View Post
    It would be really cool to see - but the problem with Flagstaff is that it's a main road for residents up there. I tried VERY hard to secure a permit to run a time trial up Flagstaff and was shut down from just about every department: Boulder County Parks, Boulder City Parks, Fire, and more.
    It was a nightmare. I'd love to see it, but Boulder County will be hard to sway.
    You don't have the money nor the national coverage. Boulder should do whatever the cyclists want. Otherwise it's still the anti-bike palace its become.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moustache rider View Post
    There is more than one way down from lookout.
    The only alternate route to get off the top of Flagstaff is a long drive on a not so great dirt road.
    Yeah, I was thinking there was a dirt road down but I've never been on it and don't know if it's a viable way out of there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moustache rider View Post
    There is more than one way down from lookout.
    The only alternate route to get off the top of Flagstaff is a long drive on a not so great dirt road.
    Hehehe... US version of the Roubaix maybe...washboard and all, yeah?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lubes17319 View Post
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    Imagine how intense it'd be, crowd lining Flagstaff from top to bottom, pros faced with the prospect of having to separate from the rest of the pack up that incline. Versus might even have some complete coverage for the world to see.

    On another note, Pulcinella Pizzeria in Lafayette (as recommended by someone on another thread) is the real deal, right up with Joey's. Thought you'd like to know.

    And, what xcguy thread would be complete without a James Brown video, this one, believe it or not, from "Soul Train" circa 1974.

    <iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/wztjtD4i02k" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
    So it seems to me to be, this thing that I think I see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moustache rider View Post
    There is more than one way down from lookout.
    The only alternate route to get off the top of Flagstaff is a long drive on a not so great dirt road.

    The entire population of Coal Creek Canyon (2000+) had to use Gross Dam Road to get to Boulder for five days a few years ago when the train overpass at the base of the canyon was undergoing repair. There was another 48 hour period a year later where a train derailment caused the same problem.

    The 500 people at the top of Flagstaff would be affected for maybe 6 hours. I think they can deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xcguy View Post

    And, what xcguy thread would be complete without a James Brown video, this one, believe it or not, from "Soul Train" circa 1974.
    If they end the stage on Flagstaff, the party will be like Swan Mountain Road was this year and there will be plenty of people dancing to Jame Brown on the road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2wheelsnotfour View Post
    If they end the stage on Flagstaff, the party will be like Swan Mountain Road was this year and there will be plenty of people dancing to Jame Brown on the road.
    Sounds good to me!
    So it seems to me to be, this thing that I think I see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zrm View Post
    Yeah, I was thinking there was a dirt road down but I've never been on it and don't know if it's a viable way out of there.
    It's viable. It'd be inconvenient for a small group of folks for sure, but shouldn't be a reason to not have the race there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baker View Post
    Alpe d'Huez
    Length - 8.2 Miles
    Height start - 2441 ft
    Height top - 5855 ft
    Maximum Grade - 10.6 %
    Average Grade - 8.1 %
    based on an article linked lower in this thread:
    Flagstaff is a 5.1-mile grunt that rises about 2200 feet over an average gradient of 11 percent, including a two-city-block long stretch known as "The Wall" that ramps upwards of 15 percent.
    It may not be as long as the Alpe d'Huez, but sure seems reasonably comparable because it's steeper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bagwhan View Post
    It's viable. It'd be inconvenient for a small group of folks for sure, but shouldn't be a reason to not have the race there.
    How long would it take to drive back to Bolder from the top? They'll want to get the stage podium finishers as well as the GC jersey holders back to town fairly quickly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zrm View Post
    How long would it take to drive back to Bolder from the top? They'll want to get the stage podium finishers as well as the GC jersey holders back to town fairly quickly.
    Never driven it. but I am sure that it'd be faster to wait until the race finished and drive down flagstaff for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bagwhan View Post
    Never driven it. but I am sure that it'd be faster to wait until the race finished and drive down flagstaff for that.
    It would probably be at least 35-45 min from the first guy across the line to the lanterne rouge. Then there's the time that it takes for the crowd to disperse enough to safely drive back down the road.
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    Google maps says ~28 miles and 58 mins from the top of Flagstaff to Baseline and Broadway, via the dam road and Coal Creek. vs 6 miles and 11 minutes the normal way.

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