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    Falcon Trail access limitations on AFA

    I tried to get on the AFA a couple of days back and they are at "FPCON Bravo" - a heightened level of security. They did not allow me on base via the South Gate and told me that I needed to be with someone with a military ID to ride the Falcon Trail.

    I was told there is limited access from the North Entrance - but only to the Visitor Center and they are not allowing cars to park at the trailheads at all.

    One bike shop told a friend that they are letting folks on at the S entrance to ride - but when I called the visitors center they said that they are not...

    If anyone has any other/newer info. Please post ...

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    FPCON Bravo is due to the Usama Bin Laden mission and end result. There are a series of increased force protection measures that come with each change in FPCON status. Unfortunately, tighter access control is one of them.
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    Yup, I understand ...

    I just wanted to have a place for folks to post any additional info. Perhaps a change in the FPCON status...

    Perhaps someone rode the Santa Fe Trail and cut over and rode Falcon without any issues... just sayin' ;-)

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    I will try to update when the FPCON changes and folks are allowed back on.
    I did ask about the entry from santa fe trail onto the academy, I was told that if you are caught doing that, that you will be escorted off base property by el paso pd and might be charged. (they are doing random checks, I got stopped the other evening riding)

    If you have anyone with a military id card that is willing to ride with you, then the can ride in your car in with you and you are able to ride still. Just give it some time, It is a privileged not a right to ride there any other time. So lets respect the rules and wait till it opens back up.

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    And you can park at the trail heads... as long as you're on base legally, that is.

    Had a nice ride there yesterday; didn't see anyone else and didn't put two and two together!

    Maybe the FPCON B will keep the knuckleheads out while the trails recover a bit. I can't believe the skid marks I'm seeing this year! I don't know if it's a bunch of newbies, XC riders being idiots, the gravity crowd going too fast on XC trails or what, but it's really tearing up the trails at the corners.

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    The last thing COS mountain bikers need is riders trying to sneak onto the Falcon Trail. Just give it a few weeks and everything will be back to normal. Don't forget they are protecting college kids and our future leaders. We just have to be patient. Plus the trail does need some time to recover.

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    So you can only ride if you have a military id?

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    yes or a military person with you that will ride and vouch for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Village Idiot
    The last thing COS mountain bikers need is riders trying to sneak onto the Falcon Trail. Just give it a few weeks and everything will be back to normal. Don't forget they are protecting college kids and our future leaders. We just have to be patient. Plus the trail does need some time to recover.

    They're protecting them from mountain bikers?

    Ridiculous...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggs
    They're protecting them from mountain bikers?

    Ridiculous...
    NO! terrorist that may pose as mountain bikers to gain access to the base, I suppose most folks already know that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curtis C
    NO! terrorist that may pose as mountain bikers to gain access to the base, I suppose most folks already know that.

    Again, ridiculous. Never going to happen.

    That would be like a drug dealer trying to sell crack in front of a police station.



    The gate guards search your car anyhow. Maybe they should search harder now if it will make them feel better.

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    Just thinking out loud

    But I would have to say WIGGS, your quite sheltered and out of touch, higher security levels affect every part of military institutions, limiting access is a primary first step.

    Do you really think mountain bikers are being targeted?

    Did 9/11 really happen or was a it Gov't plot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggs
    They're protecting them from mountain bikers?

    Ridiculous...
    Your right it is kinda hard to hide bombs in your Lycra unless you shove 10lbs of c4 up your ass, which is clearly where your head is located at the present time with a thought process like this.

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    Thanks

    Hitchredneck - I appreciate you keeping us informed as to any changes on the FPCON status ... that is exactly why I set up this thread. I was hoping someone would step up and help out - Thanks again!

    It is funny how some folks would think that just mountain bikers are being blocked from the AFA ... It is a military installation and as such limiting access to military personnel and those with appropriate clearance during certain times is necessary.

    I fully understand and respect what's going on and while I just miss the Falcon Trail I'm happy to keep myself busy riding elsewhere and let the trail "rest". It is a privilege and not a right to be able to ride that trail and perhaps this may help others recognize that as well.

    Thanks again!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hitechredneck
    Your right it is kinda hard to hide bombs in your Lycra unless you shove 10lbs of c4 up your ass, which is clearly where your head is located at the present time with a thought process like this.

    Do you guys really think some terrorist is going to select the Air Force Academy as a target AND dress up as a mountain biker for a disguise?

    What, do you think they're planning to sneak in and ride downhill without yielding?

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    Your right

    Who would have thought a hard to hit target like the towers in NY filled with Civilians would have been life changing.

    A military institution, any military institution is a target, what greater way to strike fear into the hearts of AMERICANS than to attach the next generation.

    Wiggs, are you 18 and a Freshman in college, you sure don't think problems through very well.

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    No Wiggs, but most didn't think they would hijack a bunch of planes and fly them into buildings either. Its simply making sure the place is somewhat secure from attack. In order to do that all users including cyclist have to be limited.


    Getting access to Falcon Trail is still pretty darned easy. We have several riding friends that have military Id and would be happy to host a group on the trail. Just sayin there are options out there if you look for them.

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    Take a deep breath Joe! And step down off that soapbox...
    Tact is for people not witty enough to be sarcastic...

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    Yup

    Taken

    Quote Originally Posted by kchri
    Take a deep breath Joe! And step down off that soapbox...

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    Seriously Joe, take it easy. Just gear it down there turbo...

    I'll re-ask my question since you didn't answer it the first time. Do you really think someone fool would try attacking the Air Force Academy, a secure facility, with armed guards, and full of military people who would be on guard anyhow? Wouldn't it be a heck of a lot easier to blow up bus, train, stadium, etc?? Less work, more casualties, more news coverage.

    Who do you think we're fighting anyway, Z-Germans?

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    Simple Answer

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggs
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    I'll re-ask my question since you didn't answer it the first time. Do you really think someone fool would try attacking the Air Force Academy,

    YES

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    Quote Originally Posted by JOEMTBR COLORADO
    YES

    About as likely as being attacked by a shark in Colorado...

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    Nice gettin to know ya

    Have a nice day

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    You as well.

    Your one word answers are so clearly articulated and rationalized. I'm sure you're a hit at dinner parties and social engagements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggs
    Seriously Joe, take it easy. Just gear it down there turbo...

    I'll re-ask my question since you didn't answer it the first time. Do you really think someone fool would try attacking the Air Force Academy, a secure facility, with armed guards, and full of military people who would be on guard anyhow? Wouldn't it be a heck of a lot easier to blow up bus, train, stadium, etc?? Less work, more casualties, more news coverage.

    Who do you think we're fighting anyway, Z-Germans?
    I guess you forgot this little incident?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Hood_shooting

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    Quote Originally Posted by CSURam_06
    I guess you forgot this little incident?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Hood_shooting

    Uhh, that guy was an Army Major, not a mountain biker...

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    Ahem......

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggs
    Seriously Joe, take it easy. Just gear it down there turbo...

    I'll re-ask my question since you didn't answer it the first time. Do you really think someone fool would try attacking the Air Force Academy, a secure facility, with armed guards, and full of military people who would be on guard anyhow? Wouldn't it be a heck of a lot easier to blow up bus, train, stadium, etc?? Less work, more casualties, more news coverage.

    Who do you think we're fighting anyway, Z-Germans?
    I do know that you were referring to mountain bikers specifically, do to your previous posts, but you have made my point for me. They weren't even able to trust one of their own, so why do you expect them to trust you? I understand it is a pain and an inconvenience to you, but they could care less about that. Does anyone really think that some mountain biker is going to show up with a car bomb, or even a bike framed packed with C4 to detonate? Probably not. But I also assume that they never expected a Major to attack them either. They are charged with the duty of protecting and serving our servicemen/women, who in turn also is protecting in a round about way, your rights to mountain bike there.

    One final point. No one thinks that we are fighting "Z-Germans", we are fighting a much more advanced enemy, who does not care or subject themselves to the normal rules of warfare, which makes them much, much more dangerous.

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    Yes and Yes. To Joe and Hitech.

    They shut down that base for recreational use for a while - the security forces there do not need bikes (driving in and riding in), horse trailers, runners/hikers, etc distracting them from keeping the base secure. Even if the likelihood of an attacker disguised as a rec user is small, they have to address it. And perhaps more importantly, if there are dozens of active rec users spread across Falcon, Ice Lakes, Stanley, unmarked hiking/horse trails (all over the base) - how can they begin to enforce an upgraded threat level like we are under right now. There are 100's on weekends out on those trails, not even counting the athletic fields and visitors areas. Whether you agree with it or not, good for them for doing everything in their power to keep it safe and for bounding the problem to something more manageable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnordby
    Yes and Yes. To Joe and Hitech.

    They shut down that base for recreational use for a while - the security forces there do not need bikes (driving in and riding in), horse trailers, runners/hikers, etc distracting them from keeping the base secure. Even if the likelihood of an attacker disguised as a rec user is small, they have to address it. And perhaps more importantly, if there are dozens of active rec users spread across Falcon, Ice Lakes, Stanley, unmarked hiking/horse trails (all over the base) - how can they begin to enforce an upgraded threat level like we are under right now. There are 100's on weekends out on those trails, not even counting the athletic fields and visitors areas. Whether you agree with it or not, good for them for doing everything in their power to keep it safe and for bounding the problem to something more manageable.
    Well articulated! Thanks!

    Back on topic - to those who spend time on base and can keep us posted regarding any changes in FPCON status - it is greatly appreciated.

    Happy riding!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kchri
    Take a deep breath Joe! And step down off that soapbox...
    and turn off Fox news

    Seriously tho, I understand why the AFA has to do this, there are rules they have to follow. An actual attack on a military base tho?, not even in their best interest like Wiggs said, maybe another whack job like at Ft Hood but how's that the same as the 9/11 attacks??

    Not even in the same league as the Nazi's during WWII, who were a legitimate threat to our freedom. I've read some actually believe radical muslims will invade Europe first then the US in the next decade, that's plain nutz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggs
    I'll re-ask my question since you didn't answer it the first time. Do you really think someone fool would try attacking the Air Force Academy, a secure facility, with armed guards, and full of military people who would be on guard anyhow? Wouldn't it be a heck of a lot easier to blow up bus, train, stadium, etc?? Less work, more casualties, more news coverage.

    Who do you think we're fighting anyway, Z-Germans?
    Ridiculous you say? Perhaps, but as others have said, so was using planes as missiles.

    Sometimes, those of us in that business don't appreciate just how well we've done our jobs. The fact that Wiggs - and lots of other people - don't see why the AFA would be a prime target, so let me try and explain.

    First, let me start by answering your last question. We're fighting people who don't value human life. Worse, they use the fact that we do as a tool or weapon against us.

    So, with that in mind, let's look at why the AFA, or West Point or Annapolis, would be an ideal target for a terrorist. We value, treasure and protect our kids in our country. Look at all the safety procedures and practices at schools these days. Look at what happened in Russia at the Beslan School. Look at VT.

    Now, transpose that to one of our nations leading schools, one where we train our nations future military leaders. Pull off an attack that kills military members, college students, college students that are military cadets, on a base, in the city that hosts the combatant command responsible for Homeland Defense and you've hit the jackpot!

    What can a biker do, you say? Repeated trips with a camelbak loaded with small pieces that could be stashed in the woods and then eventually assembled into something significant comes to mind.

    Fortunately for you Wiggs and rroeder, you don't have to think in those terms; there are people who do it every day... and they're not on any kind of soapbox.. Maybe they over react, maybe not. It's awful hard to prove a negative, that is, that something DIDN'T happen because of the increased FPCON!
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    Quote Originally Posted by hitechredneck
    I will try to update when the FPCON changes and folks are allowed back on.
    I did ask about the entry from santa fe trail onto the academy, I was told that if you are caught doing that, that you will be escorted off base property by el paso pd and might be charged. (they are doing random checks, I got stopped the other evening riding)

    If you have anyone with a military id card that is willing to ride with you, then the can ride in your car in with you and you are able to ride still. Just give it some time, It is a privileged not a right to ride there any other time. So lets respect the rules and wait till it opens back up.

    *NOT a official spokesman of USAFA just adding my .02*
    Thanks for the clarification and updates. Thankfully it isn't like we have no where else to ride. There are MANY other places that will do just fine in the meantime.

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    Regarding the AFA, but a bit off topic - someone at the guard-gate South Entrance said that the Railroad Tie stairs are gone and the hillside completely restored/reclaimed with that grass seed netting/ground cloth stuff.

    Hitech, or others, is this true? I'd be sad, those were a wicked workout. We'd ride our bikes there and do a couple reps to get ready for race season. They'd blow your calves out for some reason, but once you got used to it they really helped push pedals.

    thanks!
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    I walked them a few weeks ago. The ground just next to the stairs has had a bunch of work done but the 312 ties of torture still in place, unless removed in the last few days.

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    Thanks Curtis, I think this is very recent, like within a week or less. I was on them 2 weeks ago and they were just as painful as ever. I'm hoping the guy at the gate my friends' spoke with was just having fun at their expense - they were better maintained this year than I've seen in quite a while, so it seems odd they would just remove them.

    On second thought, related to this thread, I guess I can come up with several reasons to yank them!

    thanks,jon.

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    Any updates on falcon access?

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    Just guessing

    But after the events overseas today I would bet conditions have not changed, if anything they may get even tighter so for the next couple weeks its looking as if AFA is a no go.

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    As of this morning when i went on to play golf, It is still bravo so a no go for falcon without ID.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggs
    Uhh, that guy was an Army Major, not a mountain biker...
    They are stopping EVERYONE who does not have a military ID.
    Repeat after me Wiggs, EVERYONE

    They don't care if you're Mother Theresa, and they definitely don't think whiny Joe mtbr is anything special.

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    still bravo

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    Quote Originally Posted by slowandlow
    They are stopping EVERYONE who does not have a military ID.
    Repeat after me Wiggs, EVERYONE

    They don't care if you're Mother Theresa, and they definitely don't think whiny Joe mtbr is anything special.

    Way to take things out of context.

    Repeat after me slowandlow, RETARDED.

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    Thanks Wiggs

    I was just gonna ignore the troll

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggs
    Way to take things out of context.

    Repeat after me slowandlow, RETARDED.

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    I would not trust everything you read in the media.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JOEMTBR COLORADO
    I was just gonna ignore the troll
    DOH!
    Didn't realize there was a JOEMTBR.
    Wasn't meaning you when I said "whiny Joe mtbr".

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    Quote Originally Posted by hitechredneck
    I would not trust everything you read in the media.

    No doubt, this article confused me. If you can only drive to the visitors center but not ride on any roads then you can't get over to the Falcon Trail from the visitors center by riding to it on the road. Guess I'll just stay at home and read Catch- 22 instead.

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    Not on the Same Page

    From what I've heard it seems like everyone on the AFA thinks the Falcon trail is closed except their spokesman or the Gazette got it wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ultrarob
    From what I've heard it seems like everyone on the AFA thinks the Falcon trail is closed except their spokesman or the Gazette got it wrong.
    Neither, It IS still and always has been open to MILITARY and there guest they are with only. The gazette failed to mention this in the article, and im thinking they quoted him on the rules of the santa fe trail, classic news way of taking things out of context.

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    Any change in access to AFA? wondering if now that graduation is done it will open up...

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    Just called, all is still the same as before graduation.

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