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    Doudy Draw!

    Hooray! We have a new trail to ride in Boulder! I helped out with the work day yesterday; the city opened the trail yesterday afternoon. The city crew rerouted a very steep switchback and the volunteer crew worked with the city folks to rework a stream crossing, polish the new trail, and improve drainage (badly needed) on the existing trail. Fun stuff !

    If you look closely, you can see that water has nowhere to go but down the trail . These two are "before" pictures. We did a lot of "de-berming." PITA with lots of roots, rocks, and bullet-proof clay soils but totally necessary.

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    This area has really nice views, too.

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    IttyBittyBetty, Lynn, and I were ready to ride before the city was ready to open the trail, so we headed across the road to Marhsall Mesa/High Plains.

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    By the time we got back, the new signs were in place (meaning that the trail was open), and IBB and I just *had* to go ride at least a few yards of the new stuff, though we were pretty tired after after trailwork plus bike ride. And by golly if Eldorado Canyon didn't just offer up the shot of the week.

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    PSA: The soil on the singletrack has a very high clay content. The drainage should be immensely better now, but please let it dry out this week......end of sermon .
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    Just in time for winter, thanks for all your hard work and the others too.

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    Thanks for the update and the work, EJP. Thanks to all others, as well! Over the next year, the city will be building more singletrack (multi use) down there, too. That will be a real gem of an area for south Boulder. This has been a long time coming.

    Quote Originally Posted by EJP
    PSA: The soil on the singletrack has a very high clay content. The drainage should be immensely better now, but please let it dry out this week......end of sermon .
    No doubt. Rutting that thing out now would do nothing but give more ammo to the anti bike folk. Opening this trail was a very big deal. Not so much because it's a fantastic ride, but because this is the first reversal of the long standing policy in City of Boulder that outlawed bikes on city open space and parks.
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    Is there a preferred way to ride this when you ride from marshall mesa and include the greenbelt plateau trail, which I presume is what is expected?

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    Some days are better than others....

    Thanks to Oskar Blues for the hot food, Boulder County Horsemen's Association for breakfast, and OSMP for organizing this event.

    This was the first step in making 10 to 12 miles of new trail happen in this area over the next year and the first real evidence that the twenty five year ban on bikes west of Broadway is truely OVER.
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    Truly classic photos...




    Good thing Dales comes in cans too! (too bad it's more than 3.2)

    Way to go Mike!

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    This is very cool to know I was not sure where this was but i looked at trail.com and found it what a cool trail i have walked here a few times and now we can ride it This is great news.
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    what? You can only bring 3.2 beer on the trail?

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    Major props for this. Hope to enjoy it next weekend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nOOby
    what? You can only bring 3.2 beer on the trail?
    Ya, if you read the signs, it says no Alcohol more than 3.2...That makes wine a really tough one.

    "State law prohibits the possession or consumption of any beverage having an alcohol content greater than 3.2% in any public place."

    I could get in trouble for that a lot...one day I had a park ranger interaction with my dog while I had a Bottle of beer. I put it in my pocket when I saw him ahead of time...I lucked out. I am such a criminal. I might as well poach a trail, at night with my dog and beer, while he poops on the trail to make it complete.


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    Yeah!...

    Quote Originally Posted by lidarman
    I might as well poach a trail, at night with my dog and beer, while he poops on the trail to make it complete.
    Hall Ranch? I'll bring Cindee and some Stone IPA...
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    Quote Originally Posted by daveM
    Hall Ranch? I'll bring Cindee and some Stone IPA...
    Definitely that time of year is approaching. I'm game for reliving those good times of 2003.

    Not that 2003 has anything to do with what we just talked about ...Button rock the lips bud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lidarman
    Ya, if you read the signs, it says no Alcohol more than 3.2...That makes wine a really tough one.

    "State law prohibits the possession or consumption of any beverage having an alcohol content greater than 3.2% in any public place."

    I could get in trouble for that a lot...one day I had a park ranger interaction with my dog while I had a Bottle of beer. I put it in my pocket when I saw him ahead of time...I lucked out. I am such a criminal. I might as well poach a trail, at night with my dog and beer, while he poops on the trail to make it complete.

    Yep I got a ticket a few years back at Heil for drinking beer in the parking lot that was over 3.2 When I got home I looked up the beer I was drinking and it was 3.4 needless to say I was bit bummed. Oh well what are you going to do except hide the beer when you see the 5-0!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by lidarman
    (too bad it's more than 3.2)
    That's why Dale makes special beer for trail days!
    Take the long cut, we'll get there eventually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Debaser
    That's why Dale makes special beer for trail days!
    Yep 3.2 beer for sure...that is special
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    Quote Originally Posted by lidarman
    Kidding right?
    No, I'm not.


    When's the last time you made a trail day? Says 'special' right on the top of the pony keg!
    Take the long cut, we'll get there eventually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lidarman
    Is there a preferred way to ride this when you ride from marshall mesa and include the greenbelt plateau trail, which I presume is what is expected?
    I rode it last night, at dusk. I rode MM first, all the way up to that upper lot, that's across from the DD TH. Then out DD, taking the singletrack downhill, then back up Community Ditch. Watch out on the double track after the sidehilling stuff. I came upon the little stair sections unaware, at a good clip.

    It's good to have more mileage in this area, even if it's not the best stuff. While riding, I couldn't help thinking about how wide the trail was, even though no bikers have been riding it! Not the newly cut sections, I mean. Ha ha, I've seen plenty of examples of widening and braiding on hiker only trails before, but it always makes me smirk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Debaser
    No, I'm not.


    When's the last time you made a trail day? Says 'special' right on the top of the pony keg!

    Edit:

    yep, I always had had 3.2 beer at my trail work days, way back when....
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    If you cross over Hwy 93, and then take Community Ditch, you connect to DD, correct?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lidarman
    Kidding right?
    Nope. Actually there were about five of us and the cop/ranger was going to give everyone a ticket but he said if we all threw our beers down right there he'd go easy on us. I think he was "flexing" Everyone else in my group drinks a bit faster than me so they all were pretty much done so they all threw their beers on the ground. I just set mine done nicely so I could finish it when he left. I got the ticket. He also went on and on about how he was "one of us" and whatnot. Either way hide your "high point" beer from the MAN!
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    Went to check out the new trail today. It turned my tires into a straw bale house the soil was so tacky. The first time I had to turn back this year. Winter is on it's way. Will there be more trail added there or is this it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dash
    Went to check out the new trail today. It turned my tires into a straw bale house the soil was so tacky. The first time I had to turn back this year. Winter is on it's way. Will there be more trail added there or is this it?

    I was off today and thinking of hitting up this trail since i live 10 mins away but now i am glad i did not . Thanks for the pic

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    Quote Originally Posted by dash
    Went to check out the new trail today. It turned my tires into a straw bale house the soil was so tacky. The first time I had to turn back this year. Winter is on it's way. Will there be more trail added there or is this it?
    Do you think it might be dry about noon tomorrow?

    Of course it's suppose to be really windy...

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    dowdy dry

    i would give it a couple of days. i rode the beginning of the trail today and it got very wet once getting into the top and new section. ran into a ranger who told me that a couple of riders had turned around already. looking down at the new section, it looks very humid and in needs of some caking/drying time. of course, horses tore the bottom part near 93, not sure if they attempted the new section.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lidarman
    Do you think it might be dry about noon tomorrow?

    Of course it's suppose to be really windy...
    It was pretty wet. Maybe Wed but it's quite mucky and saturated. Before I got to the first switch back it was pretty gross and kept getting worse. Good luck

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    Community Ditch trail connects to the Dowdy trail a little S of it's Northern trail head.
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    Doudy Draw is fine.... rode it yesterday evening.... no mud on tires... bike was clean and trail was sweet.
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    Hate to even post this, but rode DD first time on Friday. Enjoyed the little climb up to the mesa and then the single track down through the draw, well almost through the draw. As I came down the east side I noticed four horseback riders on the single track over on the other side, then two mtb'ers a little behind. By the time I came up on them, one of the riders had held back and the other rider was, of course up behind the horses in an argument w/one of them. Couldn't really tell what they were arguing about but I could guess. Went on for a few minutes and then the horses went to the meadow and got off the trail. The forward biker went past and the other whom I had been talking w/went w/him. I stopped at the top of the hill, another mtb'er came up to me, we discussed what we had seen and then he went over the horses and talked to them. I went on and he caught up to me (I'm old and slow} and said everything was OK. By the time I made the loop up over the greenbelt and back to the parking lot, there was a ranger talking to some hikers who had seen the whole thing, I confirmed that the story was true and they were going to †ry and çatch the rider and talk to the horse people. I told the ranger that I hoped this incident wouldn't have any effect on the trail being open to bikes, he assured me it wouldn't. Anyway, I don't care who started it, but knock it off, whoever you are, HORSES HAVE THE DAMN RIGHT OF WAY. They may have said something to you, but they didn't have the room to get off the trail for you to pass anyway, and they were only 50 yards from the meadow. Let's hope this doesn't come up at the next open space meeting and is the one and only time it happens.

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    Wink Oh POOP

    Quote Originally Posted by lidarman
    Ya, if you read the signs, it says no Alcohol more than 3.2...That makes wine a really tough one.

    "State law prohibits the possession or consumption of any beverage having an alcohol content greater than 3.2% in any public place."

    I could get in trouble for that a lot...one day I had a park ranger interaction with my dog while I had a Bottle of beer. I put it in my pocket when I saw him ahead of time...I lucked out. I am such a criminal. I might as well poach a trail, at night with my dog and beer, while he poops on the trail to make it complete.

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    3.2% by weight or volume?
    Hey glad to see there are more peeps that have good trail dogs and enjoy poaching.
    Dont forget to bring yur pup a beer too; mine really appreciate the hoppy stuff...
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    That is just lovely.


    Quote Originally Posted by mtbmike1
    Thanks to Oskar Blues for the hot food, Boulder County Horsemen's Association for breakfast, and OSMP for organizing this event.

    This was the first step in making 10 to 12 miles of new trail happen in this area over the next year and the first real evidence that the twenty five year ban on bikes west of Broadway is truely OVER.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brokefork
    Hate to even post this, but rode DD first time on Friday. Enjoyed the little climb up to the mesa and then the single track down through the draw, well almost through the draw. As I came down the east side I noticed four horseback riders on the single track over on the other side, then two mtb'ers a little behind. By the time I came up on them, one of the riders had held back and the other rider was, of course up behind the horses in an argument w/one of them. Couldn't really tell what they were arguing about but I could guess. Went on for a few minutes and then the horses went to the meadow and got off the trail. The forward biker went past and the other whom I had been talking w/went w/him. I stopped at the top of the hill, another mtb'er came up to me, we discussed what we had seen and then he went over the horses and talked to them. I went on and he caught up to me (I'm old and slow} and said everything was OK. By the time I made the loop up over the greenbelt and back to the parking lot, there was a ranger talking to some hikers who had seen the whole thing, I confirmed that the story was true and they were going to †ry and çatch the rider and talk to the horse people. I told the ranger that I hoped this incident wouldn't have any effect on the trail being open to bikes, he assured me it wouldn't. Anyway, I don't care who started it, but knock it off, whoever you are, HORSES HAVE THE DAMN RIGHT OF WAY. They may have said something to you, but they didn't have the room to get off the trail for you to pass anyway, and they were only 50 yards from the meadow. Let's hope this doesn't come up at the next open space meeting and is the one and only time it happens.

    It's a good idea to keep in mind that hikers and horsefolk have had this trail to themselves for the last 20 years, and some might not know that it opened up to bikes last weekend. We need to be extra nice and polite to folks who didn't know or notice the change in use out there.
    Take the long cut, we'll get there eventually.

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    how do they check the alchohol content of beer that doesn't have it listed on the label? a vodka and cranberry cytomax is a pretty safe way to get unsafe on the trails. tastey too, and you don't have to worry about it getting shaken up.

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    If you bother to look at the pictures in this thread, you might notice that the trail head signs also dictate No Glass!
    So alcohol content in the bottle is just an extra offense.

    So if you need to imbibe on the trail, you need a different container.
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    The no glass sign looks like a bottle of wine and a wine glass. I guess this trail is out for a date ride...
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    Quote Originally Posted by gps_dr
    If you bother to look at the pictures in this thread, you might notice that the trail head signs also dictate No Glass!
    So alcohol content in the bottle is just an extra offense.

    So if you need to imbibe on the trail, you need a different container.
    Here we are at full circle.

    Dowdy Draw!
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    Well I went to Dowdy Draw this afternoon about 1 pm and i was not able to get a parking spot. There was to many horse trailers so i went to Marshall Mesa for the first time and had a blast.
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    ok, I had to shake off this cold I have been suffering from, so I went out and rode dowdy from home here in Gunbarrel. I must have blown 500 snot rockets on the ride.

    I liked the single track, and the viewage...

    A little too much gravel roads though...

    But great lunch ride, or a winter ride to shake out the cobwebs. Nice having new options.





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    The same area in a different light.......

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    Finally got my first ride over there Sunday morning from home in Louisville. Adds a nice chunk to the local loop. I rode Doudy both ways (singletrack section), a great trail to be able to hit from my door.

    Another view, the lower part of the trail is at the bottom.
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    I rode it on Sunday, Had to use Greenbelt Plateau trail head.
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    I finally got the chance to sample DD. Started at the Marshall Mesa trailhead, and took Coal Seam->Community Ditch->DD. Ran short on time, so I had to stop at the big electrical tower, and turned around. Even though it was a little crowded (more hikers than cyclists), it was still enjoyable.
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