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    Do I need/want a Fat Bike in the Front Range?

    OK, like every other bike junkie I am feeling winter cabin fever for something new. I have spent the last week researching Fat Bikes. Before I pull the trigger and regret it, is there anyone out there riding them on the snow covered Front Range trails?

    I ride all year and don't mind the cold, and think I will ride it a lot, but will I really use it?

    If anyone has one, where are you riding them?

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    I've got a buddy here in the Springs who loves his and is riding it everywhere. And when it snows, he makes a special effort to go out in the woods with it.

    Do you NEED one? Probably not... but according to my friend, you most definitely WANT one!

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    There is not enough snow here on a constant basis that you would need a fad I mean fat bike on the front range. You can get away with riding almost year round on a normal bike with some good tires IMHO.


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    Yes you need one. Even if you only get to ride it 10 times a year or less, they will be the most fun bike rides you have ever had. Go for it, you will not regret it.

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    Pic from last night on GM.

    I have been riding year round in CO for the last several years and got a Fat for last winter. Previously was riding my regular bike in the snow every winter. There are times (10 - 20%?) when the regular bike with studded tires would actually have been better than the Fat - despite the hype, Fat isn't always best. For the rest of the time, the Fat is a magic carpet and puts a huge grin on my face as I make sections undo-able on my skinnier tires – some of them truly LOL fun (think north side sections after a thaw/freeze while everyone else is post-holing).

    I also ride mine during the summer for a change and it is a blast to pick the loosest sections of trails (that might normally be avoided) and roll right up them. Also ride it when out in the desert – I find it works almost better in sand than in snow.

    Need? No.
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    Enabler

    I was thinking the same thing, fat bikes look like a lot of fun, but like others have said you can ride year round for the most part w/out fat tires here. No you don't need one but it would be cool to have one. I'm not sure what you ride, but i was thinking of going with the Enabler on my current bike to make a 1/2 fat bike. Plus it's way cheaper. But hey if you have the cash go for it, I hear the muk luk is pretty sweet.
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    You could always demo one during the next snow. I think Alpha Bicycle Company, Golden Bike Shop, and The Hub Bicycle Shop have demo/rental snow bikes. Looks like this Thursday might be a good day to try one out too!

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    I think they are more cool when others ride them.

    I say keep the romance of intrigue and avoid them

    PS: I see them more practical on sand than snow. They really don't float that well on snow IMO, and they just have more mass and incompatible costs that you can't really apply to the bike you normally ride.

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    I ride a hard tail Ti 29er now and love it.

    I am getting really close to pulling the trigger. Plus I think I may have talked two friends into them as well. Considering a Mukluk or a Fatback.

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    This thread made me think of this photo which I saved from the fat bike forum. Fat bike enthusiasts are riding fat bikes all over the place, not just in snow, raising eyebrows and cracking people up along the way. I think its great and looks like mad fun.
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    The rider on the Mukluk is named Doc. I met him a couple days before Leadville. Great guy and he had nothing but good things to say about the bike. He rode Leadville on that bike as well. I also saw a guy at the Bailey Hundo on one.

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    Just spend some time on the Fat Bike Forums and you will see that it is not a fad....people are riding these bikes everywhere for every type of riding. You will be surprised at the things you can ride in snow while your skinny 2.2 tires would just sink and spin out. I ride 5-7 psi at 200 lbs. Fatbacks are hard to come by if you didn't pre-order one last year. If you want instant gratification, stick with a Pug or Muk. I personally like steel over aluminum, so the Pug was my choice (I have a custom Northpaw fat frame on the way) and both bikes pretty much weigh the same.

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    Last winter I rode my 29er and surprisingly accomplished more than I expected. But this year will be even better on my Muk and will at least keep my fire stoked.

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    Fat Sand Bike

    I live over the hill in Alamosa and just jumped and bought a fat bike. Having a lot of money in bikes in the garage already, I did not want to make the jump on a $1500 dollar fat bike, that I will definitely ride, but not all year. I went the direction of a Fat Sand Bike, which is a pretty good deal. I have about a 100 miles on mine, made some mods with parts I had in the garage, and am overall pretty happy. Tommie designed the bike for beach resorts, but it is an aluminum frame, 4 inch wide tires, nexus 8 speed hub, disc compatible, etc. I was actually pretty surprised at how well the nexus hub covers the gear ranges. Tommie's design is a little longer than most fat bikes, but I am finding it makes for a really stable ride. I have a few to sell, but was considering making some adjustments to them first, pedals, seat, seatpost, etc. This is my ride, I don't post much so I can't post pics, but you can look me up on Twitter at Mick Daniel to see the bike.

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    You would not have posted if you didn't want one. They are awesome. Most smiles per miles you will ever get on a bike.

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    Good to see the responses- I've been in the same boat- thinking/ lusting/ dreaming about the fatbike. Not sure I can justify it this year, but definitely planning on demoing one from GBS at some point this winter. Let us know what you ultimately decide (I think your mind is made up- just the getting off the pot part that needs to be taken care of ).
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    Quote Originally Posted by hitechredneck View Post
    a fad I mean fat bike
    lulz

    but, all the cool kids are getting them...

    moar hype from the "industry" shills

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    I want one too. No real reason other than riding one looks fun.

    I also think it would make a good bike to ride with the family or tow the kid in the trailer. Bigger tires = more resistance, means I can go harder and not achieve dangerous speeds with kid in tow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KarateChicken View Post
    lulz

    but, all the cool kids are getting them...

    moar hype from the "industry" shills

    Seriously Chicken, why do you feel obligated to put "lulz" after every single comment you make? We all know you're joking. You don't need to tell us.


    Now back to topic. Hype or not, fat bikes look like fun. I say buy one and see if you like it. If not, it seems like there's limited supply and growing demand, so you could re-sell it quickly and not lose much $$.

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    that's how he rolls, dewd.

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    Hype, fad, industry shills just trying to make a buck (who isn't?)... whatever. Point is, it makes people happy. Bikes is bikes. Looks like fun to me

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    Yeah, I'm gonna get one. I hope to order it before the end of the week. Just need to decide which one, and I talked at least one if not two buddies into one as well (it wasn't that hard).

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    I saw the value of a snowbike last year at Leadville's winter series. I saw it every time I got passed up in snow I just could not ride on 2.3s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crit Rat View Post
    Bigger tires = more resistance
    Funny you should say that because in many conditions it isn't true. Super low tire pressure causes the tire to absorb small obstructions and have lower rolling resistance (sometimes). The rotating weight is where it gets more challenging but rarely enough to create a huge slowing effect. I suspect this has probably been covered ad nauseum in the Fat forum but it is often a surprise how well they roll.

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    Well, that was fun... I just had the opportunity to take my buddies Mukluk for a ride in ~5" of snow and it was just pure fun!

    Do I need one? Still no. Do I want one now? I think I just might. Maybe next winter, since I already have a major purchase planned for early next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggs View Post
    Seriously Chicken, why do you feel obligated to put "lulz" after every single comment you make? We all know you're joking. You don't need to tell us.
    Weren't you taught to not pick on the "slower" kids?
    Plus, Chicken Scratch is a craggy old retro-grouch. Humor your elders and let him have his lulz.
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    Question:
    I have some brand new Nokian Gazza 3.0s from my old timey DH bike days. Are these the type of tires the Fat bikes are running, or are they even fatter? What are the typical widths of these tires, and what kind of pressures are they typically inflated to?
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    The Gazza's are big, but Fat tires are way bigger (volume) and wider 4"+... You can run them at 5-10psi and they keep traction when my regular tires spin in the snow. Last year we did the New Years ride at Elk Meadows and there really wasn't that much snow down, but I had way less trouble than regular bike riders when climbing. Are they necessary? No... Are they a ton of fun? YES!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    Question:
    I have some brand new Nokian Gazza 3.0s from my old timey DH bike days. Are these the type of tires the Fat bikes are running, or are they even fatter? What are the typical widths of these tires, and what kind of pressures are they typically inflated to?
    Gazzas used to be what Fat Bikes ran, now you can get a Surly 3.7 Endo, 3.8 Larry or a 4.5" Big Fat Larry. The tire width changes depending on your rim width. The Big Fat Larry is a little over 4" on my 70 mm rims. I think it is 4.5" on a 100mm rim. I run mine from 5-7psi depending on the snow type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmac View Post
    Funny you should say that because in many conditions it isn't true. Super low tire pressure causes the tire to absorb small obstructions and have lower rolling resistance (sometimes). The rotating weight is where it gets more challenging but rarely enough to create a huge slowing effect. I suspect this has probably been covered ad nauseum in the Fat forum but it is often a surprise how well they roll.
    The laws of physics still apply regardless of whether this is posted on a mountain bike forum or not...

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    Holy cripes...4.0 tires!! No wonder I don't see suspension on Fat bikes!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kchri View Post
    The laws of physics still apply regardless of whether this is posted on a mountain bike forum or not...

    lulz
    Yes....big contact patch in the snow = more friction = traction! Honestly I could walk faster in the snow than riding my Fat Bike....but walking sucks. Once you get one of these things up to speed on harpack or asphalt, that extra rotating mass does keep it rolling pretty well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmac View Post
    Funny you should say that because in many conditions it isn't true. Super low tire pressure causes the tire to absorb small obstructions and have lower rolling resistance (sometimes). The rotating weight is where it gets more challenging but rarely enough to create a huge slowing effect. I suspect this has probably been covered ad nauseum in the Fat forum but it is often a surprise how well they roll.
    The idea of the tire molding around small bumps at slightly lower pressures vs ricocheting off of them has also been seen on roadies too...which is why a lot of recommended tire pressures are below 120psi for the 23s. I did the Triple on a 25 running ~100psi and felt it was rolling a lot better than my 23's at 110psi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    The idea of the tire molding around small bumps has also been seen on roadies too...which is why a lot of recommended tire pressures are below 120psi for the 23s. I did the Triple on a 25 running ~100psi and felt it was rolling a lot better than my 23's at 110psi.
    That's why road rim companies are starting to make wider rims....opens up the tire casing allowing for more volume and lower pressure. I'm running a set of HED C2 Belgiums on the road and a 23 measures 26mm on that rim. I'm 200 lbs and run the tires at 100 psi and I am able to ride raster as I don't feel every crack in the road. Now just imagine how smooth a 100mm rim feels!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkaber View Post
    That's why road rim companies are starting to make wider rims....opens up the tire casing allowing for more volume and lower pressure. I'm running a set of HED C2 Belgiums on the road and a 23 measures 26mm on that rim. I'm 200 lbs and run the tires at 100 psi and I am able to ride raster as I don't feel every crack in the road. Now just imagine how smooth a 100mm rim feels!
    HAHAHA! There's got to be a point of deppreciative returns there somewhere...or unless the "crack" becomes ~4x as wide?

    But the wider rim thing for roadies... I'm sitting on a set of Stans 355 29er rims, which I think I'll lace up for one of my roadies and run 25s on a more consistent basis. Unfortunately, 2 of my 3 roadies can't fit 25s... :/
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    Apologies for the spam:

    We're feeling a bit saucy at the shop this morning and have decided to roll the dice on a fun little sale and spread some holiday cheer.

    $20/inch (as measured at the shop) discounted off the fat bikes we have in stock.

    We have an 18" and 20" Pugs and fresh out the box 18" and 20" Moonlanders.

    No special orders, no rain checks, no holds. Come on down and we'll bust out the tape measure.

    We had 7" when we opened, its been snowing, but the sky is looking a little lighter.

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    The 20" Pug is gone. Somebody come get a Moonlander before I do something stupid! That thing is so damn fun.

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    Just pulled the trigger on a 2012 20" raw Fatback. Couldn't beat the price with the build. Worked with David and he was great. Hope to see it in 2 weeks.

    If anyone is interested Tree Fort Bikes has Mukluk 3 frames at a great close out price. Mike there was a great help and suggested a nice build too, but the Fatback just worked better for me.

    Thanks for everyone's input, and enjoy the snow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kchri View Post
    The laws of physics still apply regardless of whether this is posted on a mountain bike forum or not...

    lulz
    I jumped on the bandwagon and converted my full suspension to run fat tires
    http://www.reebcycles.com/2011/the-final-6/
    It's funny once you get used to weight of wheels you notice an advantage when climbing technical terrain in dry conditions. Snow is awesome. I remember at one of the Leadville races I started back of pack and there were sections that had been chewed up by racers before. Rest of field was struggling thru it aka washing out and hoofing it and I rode right thru and passed about 3/4 of field. I was sold on fattys then.
    At least three other guys I ride with want/need one now.
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    So- just for arguments' sake on the whole rolling-resistance thing- this article is write up of research where the findings determined the lowering pressure (on off-road riding, not on-road) actually DECREASED rolling resistance. Counter-intuitive and, of course, there is a point of diminishing returns, but pretty fascinating read:

    http://www.mtbonline.co.za/downloads...llustrated.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by alshead View Post
    So- just for arguments' sake on the whole rolling-resistance thing- this article is write up of research where the findings determined the lowering pressure (on off-road riding, not on-road) actually DECREASED rolling resistance. Counter-intuitive and, of course, there is a point of diminishing returns, but pretty fascinating read:

    http://www.mtbonline.co.za/downloads...llustrated.pdf
    Wow, that is very interesting!! Thanks for posting it.

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    You made the right choice buying one and you will love every ride. Here is shot from this mornings ride.

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    I have ridden my 29'er with Nokian studded tires for the last three years. When the Moonlander came out that was my jumping off point. Studded tires work great on icy trails but thats about it. The problem comes not during a snow storm but after all the people hike, snow shoe, etc. on it. It gets really bouncy and the full suspension mt. bike just doesn't do it. The Moonlander floats right over the tough stuff, still bouncy but doable. Also, huge rocks are not nearly the slippery problem they used to be. I ride right over them not at about 6psi or so. You don;t need a fat bike, but they sure are useful and make alot more terrian ridable. If you like hikign with your bike, stick with the mt. bike. Also, a fat bike has more useful gearing. I can power up really tough stuff and conditions when I got a 22 in front and a 34 in the back, thats a power climbing struggling though sh@t gear! I still crash on the fat bike and have slid both tires around an icy mt. bike trail and ended up doing a face plant in the snow, but ya just laugh when that happens...

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    Grabbed a pugs at Salvagetti the other day, friggin' loving the thing. ~20 miles around town yesterday was exhausting, but my only other option would have been to drive. The dog loves running along with it around the park. Can't wait to get it on some singletrack.

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    Tires

    Since I have placed my order, what tires is everyone running? Mine comes with and Endomorph and a Larry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coyotegulch View Post
    Since I have placed my order, what tires is everyone running? Mine comes with and Endomorph and a Larry.
    Started out with two Larry's (reversed on the back) and got two Nates for Christmas. Threw the Nate on the back for a ride around GM tonight and was impressed with the improvement - way better grip in any all conditions than the reversed Larry. There was one uphill section of trail that I got off into the deeper snow and torqued the pedals hard enough to lift the front end out of the snow, push through with the rear and make it back to the hiker packed section - guaranteed spin out on the previous Larry. Haven't decided whether to try the Nate on the front yet.

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    Fat bikes are like Fatties... hilarious to look at and fun to ride as long as you don't get caught.

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    Well my wife surprised me with a brand new Pugs for Christmas. I took it out for a couple hours for it's maiden voyage and had a great time. These thing get super fun at 7 psi! They actual handle well too, I was able to make some decent manuals happen. Can't wait to ride this bike more.

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