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    Deer Creek Rock Garden

    I ride Deer Creek often, and our crew always talks about if climbing the rock garden is possible or has been done (we call it the wall, if you've been there you know what I'm talking about). The furthest I've seen anybody make it up is about a third of the way. We're planning on going out there soon and spending a lot of time just trying to climb it.

    Just curious, has anybody out there ever made it up or seen someone who has?

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    the Wall of Shame?

    I saw a guy on a Trance make it to about 15 feet of the top a few weeks ago (actually, this story was much longer but I hit some bogus key on my keyboard and it was all lost...God's way of telling me not to be so long-winded). It was all about keeping a really high cadence, accelerating like a mofo whenever it was required (things that my legs just don't do after climbing all the way to that point). He kept to the right and just seemed to explode over all the usual ridiculously tough sections that you and I stall out on. I was impressed. That said, I still haven't seen anyone make the whole thing, but that guy could, I'm sure.

    There's this clearcut line that separates the good climbers (I consider myself one) with those who just have such unbelievable leg strength that they clean stuff you'd think was impossible. They're out there and probably think it's no big deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arborider
    I ride Deer Creek often, and our crew always talks about if climbing the rock garden is possible or has been done (we call it the wall, if you've been there you know what I'm talking about). The furthest I've seen anybody make it up is about a third of the way. We're planning on going out there soon and spending a lot of time just trying to climb it.

    Just curious, has anybody out there ever made it up or seen someone who has?
    This has been discussed....Deer Creek Canyon Park "Wall of Shame"

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    Mytho status

    Wow, from reviewing last years thread on the subject it sounds like there a few out there that can do it, and since I've never seen anybody get even close to cleaning it, I hold those who have in mytho status. Very inspiring, and while I'm not even close, at least now I know it can be done and this will offer once hell of a challenge, for a long time to come (for me) I'm sure.

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    Has anyone ever tried one of those Christini 2 WD bikes? If you have, (or have not) do you think that it would shine in this type of situation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Intenserider2
    Has anyone ever tried one of those Christini 2 WD bikes? If you have, (or have not) do you think that it would shine in this type of situation?
    Disclaimer: I've only noodled around them at Interbike. Based on that, I'd have to say your heart would explode on Deer Creek before you ever got to the wall. IMHO, when you're in 2wd it's like riding with the brake on. If your buddy rode it to the base and you took it from there, fresh, it'd probably make it cakewalk.

    Right now, the only hard part on the climb is just past the bottom of the stairs where you have to lunge over the second ledge. In my experience, its been so dusty (this was before the monsoon, haven't ridden it since) that if your english isn't perfect, you spin your rear tire on it.
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    Good job!

    Quote Originally Posted by DWF
    Disclaimer: I've only noodled around them at Interbike. Based on that, I'd have to say your heart would explode on Deer Creek before you ever got to the wall. IMHO, when you're in 2wd it's like riding with the brake on. If your buddy rode it to the base and you took it from there, fresh, it'd probably make it cakewalk.

    Right now, the only hard part on the climb is just past the bottom of the stairs where you have to lunge over the second ledge. In my experience, its been so dusty (this was before the monsoon, haven't ridden it since) that if your english isn't perfect, you spin your rear tire on it.
    Nice shot, the rock doesn't look toooooo slippery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Intenserider2
    Has anyone ever tried one of those Christini 2 WD bikes? If you have, (or have not) do you think that it would shine in this type of situation?
    I spun one around the pits at the 24 hours of Moab 2 years ago and it sounded like it was going to start spitting chunks of metal everywhere whenever I really stood on the thing. IMO, the bikes make better conversation pieces than they do bikes.
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    Man, just looking at that thing makes my heart rate jump to 180. How was the ride on that wet day?

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    those with the legs/lungs/heart to clean the whole thing

    I've ridden with only maybe three others who had that otherwordly combination of leg strength, speed and endurance...and I was blown away each time. This entire climb would no big deal to me if I could just grind my way to the top. But having to keep my speed WAY up and then accelerate to keep momentum over the "hard" spots is something I never had. It's like when Bo Jackson (google this dude--the fastest man ever to play NFL football and at 220 lbs) was asked what it was like to be him...he said, you know, in high school I realized I wasn't like other guys. No shite. I used to play Ultimate Frisbee a lot. One time a team brought in this guy who could jump 1 1/2 ft higher than anyone else and was 1/3 faster. It just didn't seem fair, but he couldn't understand what all the fuss was about.

    I ride with strong guys, and none of them can make this climb. Maybe you can!

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    sounds like a challenge!

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    i'll have to get out there (DC virgin) at some point this season and see what all the fuss is about...
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    Good job! Sounds like a challenge...

    And I accept! Where exactly on the front range is this trail? I'de like to ride it. I consider myself a pretty good technical climber, and I ride with guys that are a lot better than I am. I'll give it a try if I am ever in the area.

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    ok. now i have to get down there to check it out. i've ridden deer creek exactly once, about five, maybe six years ago.

    anyone want to hit that up sometime this next coming monday?
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    Quote Originally Posted by scrublover
    ok. now i have to get down there to check it out. i've ridden deer creek exactly once, about five, maybe six years ago.

    anyone want to hit that up sometime this next coming monday?
    Yo Dave - I'll let you know after I get back from Snowmass. Might be talked into a ride and a beer. Maybe we can get Kirk to show. How'z things with you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by scrublover
    anyone want to hit that up sometime this next coming monday?
    yo scrub,

    wait a week or so and let your finger and my wrist heal a bit more and i'll meet you down there...
    maybe get geek, debaser, and others to join us and make a day of it.

    (too bad there won't be any "proof" of a clean run since nobody in that group carries a camera).
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    Quote Originally Posted by DWF
    Yo Dave - I'll let you know after I get back from Snowmass. Might be talked into a ride and a beer. Maybe we can get Kirk to show. How'z things with you?

    doing well. first night back at work. ugh.

    the hand feels pretty good; still #%$@$% sore, but it'll pass. about 50% mobility out of it so far. i can ride, but have to take it easy with rough stuff. no drops for a while, even the little ones that i'm comfortable with.

    a ride at hall, and a long day climbing/descending up in ned so far since messing it up, and things worked decently.

    hell, i'll ride with anyone who shows up for it. how much trail is actually there? i figure if it's kinda short, i can hit it early, and something else on the way home in order to make it more worthwhile to drive down there.

    edit: it's still probably going to be nice and toasty monday. if so, i'll go somewhere up high instead.
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    please take a videocam with fresh batteries-proof needed!

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    yo scrub,

    wait a week or so and let your finger and my wrist heal a bit more and i'll meet you down there...
    maybe get geek, debaser, and others to join us and make a day of it.

    (too bad there won't be any "proof" of a clean run since nobody in that group carries a camera).
    Last year I tried to drum up interest in a WOSfest--all gather 'round and see who's climbing prowess reigns supreme. Me and my buddies showed up, nobody else. We, of course, gave it our best shot and nobody came close. On the other hand, if a bunch of you guys show up who actually feel they can make it (or claim to have made it in the past) please borrow somebodys videocam and record this for everybody else on this forum. Camp out on the stairs for the best perspective. I would like nothing more than someone to clean the entire climb and it's caught on film. Post that video here to the world's watching amazement.

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    Agreed, video of someone making this climb would be incredible. Somebody please do it, cuz it ain't me or the friends I ride with.

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    i'll certainly give it the ol' college try

    mon/tues no good for me, but i might be able to be talked into a trip down there weds morning... or afternoon for that matter.

    and indeed my camera does video, though i suspect i'd be behind the lens for a successful run caught on film (er, tape, um, i mean flash memory circuit).

    i predict we'll see proof sooner than later though now that the challenge has been issued.
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    I've seen it climbed. . .

    . . . ONCE a long time ago. And it was done in stages - three or four. But it was done completely in the saddle by a rider that will live in my memory forever.

    The farthest I've made it is halfway up (to the stairs, basically).

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    Quote Originally Posted by DWF
    .... Might be talked into a ride and a beer. ...

    well, now that you put it that way....

    - DC virgin / curious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DWF
    Disclaimer: I've only noodled around them at Interbike. Based on that, I'd have to say your heart would explode on Deer Creek before you ever got to the wall. IMHO, when you're in 2wd it's like riding with the brake on. If your buddy rode it to the base and you took it from there, fresh, it'd probably make it cakewalk.

    Right now, the only hard part on the climb is just past the bottom of the stairs where you have to lunge over the second ledge. In my experience, its been so dusty (this was before the monsoon, haven't ridden it since) that if your english isn't perfect, you spin your rear tire on it.
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    Sorry to dredge up an old thread, but my buddies and I were just talking about this section as the end-all be-all on the front range. I've made it to where DWF circled, but always spin out at that point. I remember seeing someone clean it in stages on a long travel bike maybe 8 years ago (long travel then meaning 5"), which has given me hope. But, that was 8 years ago, and I'm still unsuccessful.

    Someday, when the planets are aligned and my chi and my karma are one, I'll do it. Then, I'll huck my bike into the creek and never ride again.

    By the way, DWF, it was good to meet you and your son a few weeks ago on the Red Mesa loop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DLine
    Someday, when the planets are aligned and my chi and my karma are one, I'll do it. Then, I'll huck my bike into the creek and never ride again.
    ...as well you should. the mtn bike gods must be appeased.

    in the meantime, for your consideration:
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    Rode Deer Creek today at lunch. The huge exposed water bar right before the section would get me most of the time but today I found the cheater line to the right which wasn't there last year...

    Made it from the parking lot to the red circle, but ran out of gas/traction at that point. Since I'm always riding Deer Creek in a hurry I never stop to try again, but then again, IMO it needs to be ridden from the parking lot since it's the only place (uphill only) on the whole trail that requires getting off the bike.

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    Just wondering where is this trail? and how do you get to it? Is it located in Deer Creek Canyon Park? Just moved here about 3 months ago from Hawaii looking for technical riding. Thanks Aloha Kerwin

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmhawaiidh
    Is it located in Deer Creek Canyon Park?
    Yep, just follow the main trail up.
    http://co.jefferson.co.us/openspace/...ce_T56_R12.htm

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    Thanks so much. Kerwin

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    What trail is "The Wall" on just wanted to make sure I gave that a try when I go out there. Thanks Kerwin

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    I made it the wall 3 times (out af quite a few) dabless back in 1997-2000. I have ridden deer creek infrequently since then. I didn't know they had built a stair up the left side of the wall. The line used to start on the right side at first then over to the left until about 75% of the way up to avoit that red [circled] area. The last time I was out there, I didn't really see a great way to do it.

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    actually cleaning this sumb!tch

    Well, this thread started out with inquiries whether it can be cleaned in one shot or not. Some tried to organize groups to attack it en masse. Some have posted their experiences, but no one has posted recently that they've actually cleaned it from bottom water bar up over the last water bar. Hawaii dude says he wants to check it out. Good luck!

    Is this riding season going to fly by without video proof that it can be done? A combination of strength, perseverance, luck--kinda like Landis--is necessary, but, please, somebody clean this with proof. That's all I ask, unless I also can ask that I be there to witness it.

    Then we can post this video and have a worldwide competition: A Tour De WallofShame!

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    I'm all for hitting it en masse. I think that sumbeotch will go.
    Since when did Need have anything to do with this?

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    "en masse"

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    I'm all for hitting it en masse. I think that sumbeotch will go.
    Well, Mr. Icegeek, I tried as hard as I'm gonna try last year to organize such a spectacle. Maybe you know more riders capable of cleaning this monster than me, but I would really really really love to be in on such an attempt. There aren't that many riders who can pull this off on command and it would be a real treat for the rest of us to witness it. Let's try to stir up interest in all meeting at some time everyone can make it and just freakin' do it.

    OK, how about this Saturday 7/29 at 8 am? I'm an early rider so 8 am seems late, but if someone has a better time let's hear it! I wouldn't want to attempt this in the afternoon heat, that's for sure.

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    Nah, weekends is for big rides. I'd go for a midweek (T,W,Th), after-work kind of time, like 6:30 pm. Past the heat and hopefully a little shower, past the traffic time. Still 2 hrs of light and prime time for a tailgate&brewski after.

    I saw it for the first time last week, but I know someone who can do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by icegeek
    Nah, weekends is for big rides. I'd go for a midweek (T,W,Th), after-work kind of time, like 6:30 pm. Past the heat and hopefully a little shower, past the traffic time. Still 2 hrs of light and prime time for a tailgate&brewski after.

    I saw it for the first time last week, but I know someone who can do it.
    i'll be up for giving it a go mon-tue-wed-thu next week. one of those days will be reserved for heading down there to check into this.

    got some practice on short techy ugly climbs on some bits of buchanan pass yesterday. you need to check that one out next time you're up sourdough way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scrublover
    i'll be up for giving it a go mon-tue-wed-thu next week. one of those days will be reserved for heading down there to check into this.

    got some practice on short techy ugly climbs on some bits of buchanan pass yesterday. you need to check that one out next time you're up sourdough way.

    Hmmm, if it's not this week, it might have to be a while for me.

    Any takers for next Thursday (27th)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by icegeek
    Hmmm, if it's not this week, it might have to be a while for me.

    Any takers for next Thursday (27th)?

    Yep, next week for me. The 27th is Vail, then up to Steamboat Fri-Sun. Which still leaves me Mon-Thurs next week to ride before heading back to work.

    Figure I'll head down to dear creek whichever day is predicted to be the coolest.
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    Never ridden down there but those stairs definitely put it in perspective. Anyone willing to offer up a prize to "the one" ?? Mmm Chipotle burrito...

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    ... and if we just ... D'oh!

    Quote Originally Posted by icegeek
    I'd go for a midweek (T,W,Th), after-work kind of time, like 6:30 pm.
    works for me. pick a day (other than a monday).

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    I know someone who can do it.
    ...my ears are burning!
    ("no, my ears are really burning. i wanted to see inside, so i lit a Q-tip").

    actually i'd be lucky to make it to the bottom of the stairs from the looks of it. but trying is half the fun, right?
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    looks so easy sitting here in my office... Has anyone cleared the second set of stairs on the hogsback?

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    I would love to make it and show you guys and gals how easily it can be cleared but unfortunately I am not around

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikebum
    looks so easy sitting here in my office... Has anyone cleared the second set of stairs on the hogsback?
    Yes, I've seen Josh (Godzeera) and my son both clean that entire section both ways. The hard one is clearing the steps coming up Zorro. I've seen DW only do it once, but he cheats with a lot of trialsy bouncy moves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikebum
    looks so easy sitting here in my office... Has anyone cleared the second set of stairs on the hogsback?
    i've seen ibmkidIII (kirk) do the hogback steps. it's very impressive.
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    I'm up for a try at it next week (Aug 1-3, TWR). Let's get it organized, I hit Deer Creek last week for the first time this year and made it to my front wheel on the red circle step from the parking lot, probably my best showing ever at the Wall. Every attempt after that was worse.

    Let me know and I won't commute that day so I've got more energy. I just want to get my front tire on the red circle again, that was frustrating attempting and attempting and getting worse with each try. I've got no power, damn skinny legs.

    I work nearby and for the last week or two there are clouds that roll in around 3-4ish and make riding the area pretty nice, so I think we'll be fine riding after work some time. I could be at the bottom of the wall by 5.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scrublover
    i've seen ibmkidIII (kirk) do the hogback steps. it's very impressive.

    Are you talking about South Valley, or Deer Creek?

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    Quote Originally Posted by icegeek
    Hmmm, if it's not this week, it might have to be a while for me.

    Any takers for next Thursday (27th)?
    I would ride Deer Creek today. After living in the area for six years I still have not ridden out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by firch
    Are you talking about South Valley, or Deer Creek?
    I think they are talking about the steps on the Zorro trail when you're heading up to Dakota Ridge from Rooney Road.

    No one step there is too difficult, it just the spacing makes it really hard. Plus, if you fall left you're going for a little bit of a ride so some nerve is needed as well. I still haven't mustered the courage to ride them down.
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    Ok, so 2 hours later and I can't do next week, just found out work is sending me down to Mississippi for the week. Nothing like a little humidity and heat to make you appreciate Colorado. Bring on the sticky and sweaty road rides!

    There's a chance I will still be in town for Monday, if so I'm there after work for another attempt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikebum
    looks so easy sitting here in my office... Has anyone cleared the second set of stairs on the hogsback?
    After I rolled over my tongue trying I saw a guy (Not in our group) clean it.

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