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    Damage from Jumps Building in NM

    Hey there,

    I know this is the Front Range forum (and I am a Front Ranger, so there) but there was a new article that came across my desk about vigilante trail/jumps building in NM, thought people might want to see it here...lets not do that in Colorado, eh??

    Bureau of Land Management personnel said heavy equipment was needed to build a track of seven, 5-foot ramps in the Glade Run Recreation Area in New Mexico, and said the construction of those jumps probably destroyed fragile plants and possibly artifacts that cannot be restored by simply moving the dirt back to where it was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinjin4131
    cannot be restored by simply moving the dirt back to where it was.
    Long time no post Sinjin, hope NM is treatin you well.

    Sounds like they should leave the jumps as is....

    I mean - that sucks if they destroyed a fragile environment, but the damage done... the land will recover.

    The local BMX kids in my hood build some sweet stuff, I really like it.
    The city would never build anything half as cool. If Farmington built some stuff for the kids, this may not have happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinjin4131
    Bureau of Land Management personnel said heavy equipment was needed to build a track of seven, 5-foot ramps in the Glade Run Recreation Area in New Mexico, and said the construction of those jumps probably destroyed fragile plants and possibly artifacts that cannot be restored by simply moving the dirt back to where it was.
    Farmington Daily Times
    Go BLM! Sounds like they are starting to understand the supply/demand curve. Either they build designated features in designated areas and isolate any damage, or random jumps get built in random areas which could make for more total damage, but over a larger area. Regardless, features will be built. The demand is there, and there is no denying that. I'm just glad the BLM folks are at least trying to meet that demand, even if it means damaging a small, but isolated area.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickle
    Go BLM! Either they build designated features in designated areas and isolate any damage, or random jumps get built in random areas which could make for more total damage, but over a larger area. Regardless, features will be built.
    You forgot: "or they close the area to ALL bikes". Which I would bet is more likely to happen before the BLM even thinks about building stunts.

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    I know a few XC racer types who got Sleeping Giant closed down to bikes about 12 years ago by not knowing how to brake effectively and nearly running over an old bird watcher while on a training ride.

    Let's not let this happen here, alright?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Godzilla
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    Thats no fun... If you can't contribute to the start of a huge flame fest, then why are you on here

    Oh yeah.... go kids!
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    Quote Originally Posted by davec113
    Thats no fun... If you can't contribute to the start of a huge flame fest, then why are you on here

    Oh yeah.... go kids!
    Fixed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinjin4131
    Hey there,

    , and said the construction of those jumps probably destroyed fragile plants and possibly artifacts that cannot be restored by simply moving the dirt back to where it was.
    Farmington Daily Times


    Okay... I know there are reasons why people shouldn't do things, but I HATE it when they blame it on little plants.

    We should look at the F'n damage I-70 has caused.... we should rip it all up because of precious little rocks might get damaged
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickle
    Go BLM!
    Maybe you were being sarcastic, but the BLM is PISSED that someone else used heavy equipment to build these jumps.

    http://www.daily-times.com/news/ci_8698343

    That certainly validates your point on demand. Someone went to great lengths to build these. A quote from the article that validates that point and that point only (mine and yours):
    "Kids looking for jumps don't have too many options, Rockin' H Racing owner Scott Hawkes said.

    "What good is that dirt anyway if you can't enjoy it with a jump?" Hawkes said."


    If the gubment dont build it, the kids will.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by IndecentExposure
    Okay... I know there are reasons why people shouldn't do things, but I HATE it when they blame it on little plants.

    We should look at the F'n damage I-70 has cause.... we should rip it all up because of precious little rocks might get damaged
    I sooo agree. I mean, I love the outdoors more than anyone, but I think some get caught up in details and miss the bigger picture. These kids moved DIRT.
    Sinjin did this article no justice by quoting that section and that section only. I will input another quote to make my point:

    " the 19,000 square acres of federal land is littered with unnatural drilling wells, oil and gas operators "

    Full article: http://www.daily-times.com/news/ci_8698343
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    Looking at those pictures, I'm not so sure that heavy machinery was used. I have a feeling that none of these people have ever seen djs before.
    7 piles? Somewhere theres a lonely landing without a jump.

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    I'm not sure the "or they close the area to ALL bikes" argument is valid here. This isn't about mtn bikers ridin out of control and hitting hikers, this is about some people building jumps off of the trail.
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    heavy equipment a quarter mile from a major intersection?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WKD-RDR
    Maybe you were being sarcastic, but the BLM is PISSED that someone else used heavy equipment to build these jumps.

    http://www.daily-times.com/news/ci_8698343
    I wasn't actually. Until you posted a link, the only source I had to read was the excerpt Sinjin4131 posted which said "Bureau of Land Management personnel said heavy equipment was needed to build a track of seven, 5-foot ramps in the Glade Run Recreation Area in New Mexico." The way I read that, it sounded like the BLM built the jumps and someone (the article writer) is pissed that they did. Your article changes that a bit, but like you agreed with, it also proves that the supply is failing the demand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WKD-RDR
    I sooo agree. I mean, I love the outdoors more than anyone, but I think some get caught up in details and miss the bigger picture. These kids moved DIRT.
    Sinjin did this article no justice by quoting that section and that section only. I will input another quote to make my point:

    " the 19,000 square acres of federal land is littered with unnatural drilling wells, oil and gas operators "

    Full article: http://www.daily-times.com/news/ci_8698343
    In my own defense, I only quoted what I was sent...so I'M SORRY!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinjin4131
    In my own defense, I only quoted what I was sent...so I'M SORRY!!!
    Didn't mean to flame Sinj, but the rest of the article had a lot more info.

    Farmington should really build something for these kids, and this probably wouldn't happen.
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    I wonder if these are the same d!cktards that Mounatin Flyer featured a couple issues back? Yeah, d!cktards.
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    Seriously BLM -- how about we address the REAL destruction caused by the mineral, Uranium, and oil exploration/extraction?!!! can you poison some more of our precious groundwater and permanently scar the planet anymore? oh sorry, they have lobby dollars and you're also too busy trying to bust dirt jumpers killing a plant? UNREAL!

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    Sorry, but this whole thread makes my blood boil. The BLM is a disgrace and has been bought out by oil interests! Talk about HIPPOCRITICAL! killing a few plants? How about the complete and utter devastation to the Western Slope for a few drops of oil. Start here: http://www.denverpost.com/search/ci_8562468 (there are countless other articles like this, due a google search)

    The federal Bureau of Land Management stuck to its original plan to allow drilling on the top of the wildlife-rich plateau near Rifle ó limiting disturbances by well pads and roads to 350 acres at any one time.
    The agency refused to require exploration in phases or to increase the environmentally protected off-limit areas requested by Ritter.
    "There are some areas where we cannot meet the desires of the state of Colorado, specifically with regard to leasing," said Stephen Allred, the BLM's assistant secretary for land

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    Yeah, ridiculous - they're speculating about what might've been harmed when there are huge obvious sources of damage all around that they ok'd. I guess that's the key, if they ok it, then it's automatically environmentally friendly.
    See also: The FS and Winterpark's once beautiful, now defunct trail...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinjin4131
    ...and said the construction of those jumps probably destroyed fragile plants and possibly artifacts that cannot be restored by simply moving the dirt back to where it was.
    Actual article reads:
    "The digging, likely done with a backhoe or bucket-loader, could have destroyed artifacts and damaged plant life, both of which are irreparable by simply putting the dirt back where it came from."

    So, they're not even stating anything was actually damaged, just that it "could" have been.

    And heavy equipment?? It's funny that these BLM guys can't imagine that someone could actually build something with a shovel and a little hard work. They're probably too used to watching giant tracked monsters from the oil companies plowing around to think that manual labor still exists. This entire article just highlights the sad irony of what the BLM has become.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edenger
    Seriously BLM -- how about we address the REAL destruction caused by the mineral, Uranium, and oil exploration/extraction?!!! can you poison some more of our precious groundwater and permanently scar the planet anymore? oh sorry, they have lobby dollars and you're also too busy trying to bust dirt jumpers killing a plant? UNREAL!
    They need those minerals, uranium, and oil to produce mountain bikes, get people to their trails, and run the computers from which you're posting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles
    They need those minerals, uranium, and oil to produce mountain bikes, get people to their trails, and run the computers from which you're posting.
    And all this time I thought my bike was made from aluminum, not uranium.
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    It's cruel...

    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles
    They need those minerals, uranium, and oil to produce mountain bikes, get people to their trails, and run the computers from which you're posting.
    Behavior to slap a person in the face with reality...

    Gotta be careful welding up those uranium frames...
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    You guys sure are dense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WKD-RDR
    And all this time I thought my bike was made from aluminum, not uranium.
    Where you been Sh!tles?
    Skiing Taos, NM you friggin' knuckledragger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinjin4131
    Hey there,

    I know this is the Front Range forum (and I am a Front Ranger, so there) but there was a new article that came across my desk about vigilante trail/jumps building in NM, thought people might want to see it here...lets not do that in Colorado, eh??

    Bureau of Land Management personnel said heavy equipment was needed to build a track of seven, 5-foot ramps in the Glade Run Recreation Area in New Mexico, and said the construction of those jumps probably destroyed fragile plants and possibly artifacts that cannot be restored by simply moving the dirt back to where it was.
    Farmington Daily Times



    lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles
    Skiing Taos, NM you friggin' knuckledragger.
    Hey hey, how was it with all of those boarders... Any issues? Any brawls?
    Or was it like every other place, where people learn to ride together in harmony.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WKD-RDR
    Hey hey, how was it with all of those boarders... Any issues? Any brawls?
    The locals were disgruntled.
    Or was it like every other place, where people learn to ride together in harmony.
    I saw exactly NO boarders on the "good" stuff at Taos. They were pretty much riding the groom...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles
    The locals were disgruntled.
    Those arrogant bastrds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WKD-RDR
    I'm not sure the "or they close the area to ALL bikes" argument is valid here. This isn't about mtn bikers ridin out of control and hitting hikers, this is about some people building jumps off of the trail.
    I can assure you that closing an open space area to bikes would be first on my list of options available to handle illegal trail building. That goes for any trail user group.

    And I'm sorry, as a MTB'er, I really take offense to the suggestion that the guys who built the illegal stunts are victims. They are vandals, and they vandalized the BLM land. They should be named, given fines and community service for their actions.

    I would also suggest that the local Farmington MTB'ers should be organizing and contacting the BLM to see how they could help to repair the damage and make amends for the illegal stunts.

    Flame away.

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    Yeah, but Halliburton has a PERMIT to destroy everything. You can't just go destroying government land if you dont have the proper documentation and bribe money all squared away with your senator.

    Has anyone seen the BLM land in Utah? 4 wheelers have killed ALL the plants. I'm all for not shortcutting trails at Horsetooth but I vote for bikers doing whatever they want on BLM land. Everyone else does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WKD-RDR
    Those arrogant bastrds.
    Cut 'em some slack - they were old, curmudgeonly types.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleTrail
    I can assure you that closing an open space area to bikes would be first on my list of options available to handle illegal trail building. That goes for any trail user group.

    And I'm sorry, as a MTB'er, I really take offense to the suggestion that the guys who built the illegal stunts are victims. They are vandals, and they vandalized the BLM land. They should be named, given fines and community service for their actions.

    I would also suggest that the local Farmington MTB'ers should be organizing and contacting the BLM to see how they could help to repair the damage and make amends for the illegal stunts.

    Flame away.
    You ever been to Farmington? You smell it before you see it. That place has been raped and pillaged for oil, gas, and anything else that can be chemically leached or strip mined out of the ground. Farmington is the smelly armpit of NM. So yeah, we should punish those vandals for taking matters in their own hands hitting the jumps instead of turning into little meth heads and shite.

    Phuck that!

    I'm sick of capitulating to the BLM & FS whores who sell public lands out from under us for the use of mining and ranching Corp$ and then whine about shite like this. Is there any BLM land left in Colorado or New Mexico or Utah that you won't find a cow turd underfoot? You want to talk about hurting plants and sensitive environments, lets talk about logging, lets talk what's going on in Grand Junction & Fruita & Trinidad and anywhere else there might be fart's worth of gas.
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    ^^^ I like your style DWF.

    I know deep down that this isn't kosher in the somewhat myopic eyes of most land managers, but really, I mean come on....when it comes down to it, they are piles of dirt. Small ones at that. I think the BLM guys might be a little embarrassed that the piles showed up in such an obvious place. They're treating them like crop circles or something.
    I'd love to get pictures of some of the "natural jumps" in the OHV area that the moto guy was talking about....I'm sure they are looking awesome after every Cletus in the county has tried to rally their 4 wheeler up em.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles
    You guys sure are dense.
    Troll bait? or you just enlightening us with this tidbit of wisdom?

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