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    A Crazy Idea...

    Ok so Grant and i were talking last nite at the sk8park about land and such, you can get great deals on land up in Idaho Springs. Like 18,500 for 5 acres and 2x,xxx for 13 acres, no of course we'd have to go walk the property to check it out but.

    Who'd be interested in going in together and buying land??? This is an interest check, you can say yes now and back out. Just trying to get a feel for things.

    We'd make the property a "Club" where there was a buy in then say $100 in dues each year. Of course we'd be doing this for non profit and all the money would go back into the land to cut trails, build stuff.

    Just wondering if anyone else would be interested in doin this. If i wasnt working building a house right now id be jumping all over this and having a piece of property for fun.

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    I think the best way to go about this is that the land could be purchased by a company that is formed and designated as the owner, and the people who put in money would have a corresponding percentage of ownership. This way also if, god forbid, someone attempts to sue for getting hurt or whatever, the owners' personal property could be insulated from lawsuits.

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    This could potentially give some sort of tax break to any owners/purchasers of land as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thumper80202
    I think the best way to go about this is that the land could be purchased by a company that is formed and designated as the owner, and the people who put in money would have a corresponding percentage of ownership. This way also if, god forbid, someone attempts to sue for getting hurt or whatever, the owners' personal property could be insulated from lawsuits.
    Haha, yeah i was thinking about that. I figured id check for interest before getting into any of that legal mumbo jumbo. I wish i had 20k i could just put twoards land, theres some sweet deals up in the mtns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thumper80202
    I think the best way to go about this is that the land could be purchased by a company that is formed and designated as the owner, and the people who put in money would have a corresponding percentage of ownership. This way also if, god forbid, someone attempts to sue for getting hurt or whatever, the owners' personal property could be insulated from lawsuits.
    The property would be owned by a trust? That sounds like the most reasonable approach.

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    Cool - how would that work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thumper80202
    Cool - how would that work?
    Not sure exactly, I am sure that somebody here has experience with such things though. I believe that there are lawyers who deal with this sort of thing in particular.

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    Right on. Well anyway, I'd be down for some piece of it however it would get done.

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    I'm in the process of looking for land just for that purpose. But I'm looking up in the Fort Collins area, where I live. Mainly so that I don't have to drive to the resorts to get some downhill/freeriding riding in. I've been looking at 40 arces of hill side property for around $50K. But, I would be interested in going in on the company/club owned land if the commute was not too far.

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    I actually think anything along the front range / I-70 corridor would be supah - sweet.

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    Get in touch with dreamforest? I am sure you could work something out since he already has the land and legal done. If you want more autonomy go for it, but becoming a lifetime member at dreamforest may be alot easier and cheaper.

    dreamforest- hope I am not saying anything incorrect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KaiMana
    Get in touch with dreamforest? I am sure you could work something out since he already has the land and legal done. If you want more autonomy go for it, but becoming a lifetime member at dreamforest may be alot easier and cheaper.

    dreamforest- hope I am not saying anything incorrect.
    Def gonna help out mark with building and such. His property will be a pay per use type deal that he will own.

    Our thought would be a private thing, only members could go there and ride. That way it wouldnt be super high traffic and it could also turn into an investment property down the road. If 20 people go in it together and pay the same amount each person would have a 5% stake in it. If its sold down the road each person would get 5% of the final value.

    Its just an idea i am throwing out to see if anyones interested. If i had 20k sitting around i would have a new play park

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowskilz
    Def gonna help out mark with building and such. His property will be a pay per use type deal that he will own.

    Our thought would be a private thing, only members could go there and ride. That way it wouldnt be super high traffic and it could also turn into an investment property down the road. If 20 people go in it together and pay the same amount each person would have a 5% stake in it. If its sold down the road each person would get 5% of the final value.

    Its just an idea i am throwing out to see if anyones interested. If i had 20k sitting around i would have a new play park
    Todd I'm in. Although my financial capabilities are a mockery of the idea I'll do what I can. BTW, you want to go boarding this weekend?
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    The main reason i am bringing this all up is that the stunts that i have on my land will prolly have to go bye bye... Due to homeowners insurance. But we will see

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowskilz
    The main reason i am bringing this all up is that the stunts that i have on my land will prolly have to go bye bye... Due to homeowners insurance. But we will see
    Will they really!!!! That sucks dude. We should definitely do this then, even if its a few acres, as long as its got a bit of a slope and lots of trees it'll work out. Plus we can stick a mini dh run in with some extremely tech rock gardens, as well as some djs too.
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    just as tony said, my financial support would be minimal, but i'd definately be up for putting my building skills, time, and a few bucks in. i need someplace to build things to huck off of. it would be so sweet. even though it got torn downand everybody got pissed at me for my other post on it, i definately have the ability to build whatever, pretty sturdy stuff.and i love to do it
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    well then

    Quote Originally Posted by snowskilz
    The main reason i am bringing this all up is that the stunts that i have on my land will prolly have to go bye bye... Due to homeowners insurance. But we will see

    We'll have to try to get our fill of 'em before they go. I've really only ridden the big drops, anxious to see how the flow line came out. What's the house building time line?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbabuser
    We'll have to try to get our fill of 'em before they go. I've really only ridden the big drops, anxious to see how the flow line came out. What's the house building time line?
    Also, when's it going to be thawing up up there?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbabuser
    We'll have to try to get our fill of 'em before they go. I've really only ridden the big drops, anxious to see how the flow line came out. What's the house building time line?
    I plan on keeping everything in tact for 10 months, the house will prolly be finished come December. Thats when the home insurance ppl will have to do the walk through. I am going to do some research and see what is able to stay/not. From the information i have been given you can be denied insurance for having a trampoline in your front yard. And i have a small feeling a 8" drop is a lil more dangerous than a trampoline

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    Quote Originally Posted by ironhorsebike1
    just as tony said, my financial support would be minimal, but i'd definately be up for putting my building skills, time, and a few bucks in. i need someplace to build things to huck off of. it would be so sweet. even though it got torn downand everybody got pissed at me for my other post on it, i definately have the ability to build whatever, pretty sturdy stuff.and i love to do it
    Corbin here's whats up at snowskilz's land now, that we made last summer.

    I think this pic gives a better angle of its size. It's like 8-9 feet and fun as hell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbabuser
    We'll have to try to get our fill of 'em before they go. I've really only ridden the big drops, anxious to see how the flow line came out. What's the house building time line?
    well, if snowskilz wouldn't mind, i would love to go for a ride soon especially if we could do the ladders that tony put the pics up of. if that would be ok. i'm totally a sucker for ladders and would love to do those when they thaw. also it would be cool to put some faces to the names.

    snowskilz, send me a PM if you would want to go for the group ride. also i'm goingto go to vail the 12th and the 13th.so maybe we could get a group there.

    but if you don't want to have the ladders exposed to to people that you don't know (i.e. me) that's cool to. i would understand.

    i'd love to help build too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ironhorsebike1
    well, if snowskilz wouldn't mind, i would love to go for a ride soon especially if we could do the ladders that tony put the pics up of. if that would be ok. i'm totally a sucker for ladders and would love to do those when they thaw. also it would be cool to put some faces to the names.

    snowskilz, send me a PM if you would want to go for the group ride. also i'm goingto go to vail the 12th and the 13th.so maybe we could get a group there.

    but if you don't want to have the ladders exposed to to people that you don't know (i.e. me) that's cool to. i would understand.

    i'd love to help build too.
    Corbin they're covered in snow and will be probably for another few months.
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    Quote Originally Posted by COmtbiker12
    Corbin they're covered in snow and will be probably for another few months.
    yeah, 2 feet of frikin snow

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowskilz
    yeah, 2 feet of frikin snow
    Todd are you busy this weekend? I want to go snowboarding but I dont' think my dad will be able to go up. I'm not sure...
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    Quote Originally Posted by COmtbiker12
    Todd are you busy this weekend? I want to go snowboarding but I dont' think my dad will be able to go up. I'm not sure...
    Gotta work til tues then i have a week off

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowskilz
    Gotta work til tues then i have a week off
    That sucks man. Maybe next weekend hit up Vail?

    We need to get riding soon dude. Are there any Xgames sessions tomorrow or Saturday that we could go to if you're not busy or something?
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    whats goin on with dream4ests land?

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    Quote Originally Posted by COmtbiker12
    That sucks man. Maybe next weekend hit up Vail?

    We need to get riding soon dude. Are there any Xgames sessions tomorrow or Saturday that we could go to if you're not busy or something?
    yeah i'll most likely be up there that 12th and 13th. we should meet up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ironhorsebike1
    yeah i'll most likely be up there that 12th and 13th. we should meet up.
    At vail? Cool. My pass is good at any Summit (cept Copper) county resort so it mostly just depends on who i go up with as to where I go.
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    I've given this some thought. I wouldn't have a problem buying some land outright and building some trails, say $25K or so. I can convince myself its a good investement . Lots of people spend twice that on a car (not me though).
    Two problems have stopped me. The fear that it would become another GH (is it OK to mention the unmentionable yet?). After a couple years, if it was good there would be too many people and the fear of being sued by uninvited guests would force it to be closed. Since I wouldn't live on the land it would be impossible to control access. Im no lawyer, but I don't know of any way out of the legal liabilities as a regular joe. I thought about the possibility of just posting "no trespassing" and not enforcing it, but doing that makes you liable. Creating a company and charging for use would require insurance, which I understand is nearly impossible for something like this with no help or medical services should something happen. From what I can tell the only solution is to keep it a total secret, which seems counterproductive to me, not to mention hard to do.
    The second is I just don't know where good land for downhill is. You'd think steep, rocky terrain would be undesirable for most people, but having a road for shuttling limits the possibilities it seems. To be honest, I haven't looked all that much because of problem #1.
    But if anyone knows of some great shuttleable land or has any ideas on how to keep it open legally, Id like to talk. Or if you know of some land, willing to build, and are really good at keeping a secret .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Organ
    I've given this some thought. I wouldn't have a problem buying some land outright and building some trails, say $25K or so. I can convince myself its a good investement . Lots of people spend twice that on a car (not me though).
    Two problems have stopped me. The fear that it would become another GH (is it OK to mention the unmentionable yet?). After a couple years, if it was good there would be too many people and the fear of being sued by uninvited guests would force it to be closed. Since I wouldn't live on the land it would be impossible to control access. Im no lawyer, but I don't know of any way out of the legal liabilities as a regular joe. I thought about the possibility of just posting "no trespassing" and not enforcing it, but doing that makes you liable. Creating a company and charging for use would require insurance, which I understand is nearly impossible for something like this with no help or medical services should something happen. From what I can tell the only solution is to keep it a total secret, which seems counterproductive to me, not to mention hard to do.
    The second is I just don't know where good land for downhill is. You'd think steep, rocky terrain would be undesirable for most people, but having a road for shuttling limits the possibilities it seems. To be honest, I haven't looked all that much because of problem #1.
    But if anyone knows of some great shuttleable land or has any ideas on how to keep it open legally, Id like to talk. Or if you know of some land, willing to build, and are really good at keeping a secret .
    You could just stick chainlink fence all around the property with barbed wire on top as well as a keypad controlled gate at the entrance with codes changing weekly so members would be updated via email or cell phones. Also you could stick motion cameras around the land so that if people tried climbing your fences when you activated it when you werent there, theyd get zapped.
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    Quote Originally Posted by COmtbiker12
    You could just stick chainlink fence all around the property with barbed wire on top as well as a keypad controlled gate at the entrance with codes changing weekly so members would be updated via email or cell phones. Also you could stick motion cameras around the land so that if people tried climbing your fences when you activated it when you werent there, theyd get zapped.
    or hire the mafia....the more I think of it, I bet Tony is in the mafia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Organ
    Two problems have stopped me. The fear that it would become another GH (is it OK to mention the unmentionable yet?). After a couple years, if it was good there would be too many people and the fear of being sued by uninvited guests would force it to be closed. Since I wouldn't live on the land it would be impossible to control access. Im no lawyer, but I don't know of any way out of the legal liabilities as a regular joe. I thought about the possibility of just posting "no trespassing" and not enforcing it, but doing that makes you liable. Creating a company and charging for use would require insurance, which I understand is nearly impossible for something like this with no help or medical services should something happen. From what I can tell the only solution is to keep it a total secret, which seems counterproductive to me, not to mention hard to do.
    The second is I just don't know where good land for downhill is. You'd think steep, rocky terrain would be undesirable for most people, but having a road for shuttling limits the possibilities it seems. To be honest, I haven't looked all that much because of problem #1.
    But if anyone knows of some great shuttleable land or has any ideas on how to keep it open legally, Id like to talk. Or if you know of some land, willing to build, and are really good at keeping a secret .
    Def having it public is a bad idea. Thats why i was asking to see if anyone would be interested in going in on it. We would def have to create some kind of limited liable company that owned the land. That way if someone did get hurt they would sue a company that had 0 assets. All the members(owners) would have to sign a waiver and if they brought someone up to the property they would have to sign a waiver also. Their would be signs for no tresspassing and a disclaimer board at the main entrance. Also we would have to be hard asses for the first year and if someone was there tresspassing call the cops and get them fined for tresspassing. Not that this is something we would want to do but, in this day and age ya have to. Say a 18 yr gets up there, thinks hes hot sh!t and decideds to cliff drop some 8 footer and goes OTB and breaks his neck. Then we are all down the land will be his and we lost our riding spot.

    As far as Mark's land he is doing a great service for everyone. I am very glad to help him out once he has some build dates. As stated above he will probably need to get insurance since he will be accepting payment for use of the land. I;m not sure how that works but it isnt going to be simple.

    With my idea we wouldnt need insurance. Because its not a public facility. And yes more thought has to go into this and a lot more research.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowskilz
    I;m not sure how that works but it isnt going to be simple.
    If we all moved to Kansas this would be simple. When my brother moved to Ft. Riley (before promptly being sent back to Iraq, that is) he ran into some guys who have built stuff all over out there - most of it paralleling public trails ala Flumes / South Suburban. He said that nobody out there seems to care though - they all think it's interesting to watch people ride the stuff. Alot of the stuff he has showed me pics of is pretty substantial too - several 10 -12 footers, doubles, etc...

    I guess it would be a fringe benefit of living in hell (aka Kansas)

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanD
    or hire the mafia....the more I think of it, I bet Tony is in the mafia.
    I wish... That'd be the most badass job there is.'

    Of course I'd have to be called Big Tony.
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    Agreed, theres alot more planning invovled. But I'd be willing to put a few hundred into something that I wouldn't own. Maybe more depending on the situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by COmtbiker12
    I wish... That'd be the most badass job there is.'

    Of course I'd have to be called Big Tony.
    that does sound like a very mafie style name. And it explains all the money for the bikes, and the random unexplainable trips from which you seem to return with illegitimate sums of cash.

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