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    Colorado trip.... Keystone closed?

    im stuck in mid-missouri
    ive only been biking in the rockys once
    so i planned a trip to colorado to DOWNHILL with a couple of my buddies this summer

    ive been hearing keystone is closed... can anyone conform or throw out those rumers

    and any suggestions of places to hit would be great

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    i heard they only been turning away peeple with poor grammer and speelling skillz...



    ...but seriously, it is closed to biking right now and will reopen in the summer (if the snow melts.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by kchri
    ...but seriously, it is closed to biking right now and will reopen in the summer (if the snow melts.)

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    The MSC race at Keystone has been cancelled. There has been rumors floating around that they are moving the gondola and there will be limited access, if any, for the summer.

    Winter Park would be a good option to get your feet wet. After you master Winter Park then head down the road and test your jumping skills at Sol Vista.

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    Keystone is doing some serious gondola construction, which will definitely interrupt the lift access they have to offer for the summer. The MSC race has been cancelled due to this. Just exactly how much the new gondola construction is going to actually affect lift access this summer. My guess is... a lot. The only info I have seen is from the RaceMSC website: http://www.racemsc.com/events/keystoneclimax.html
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    Man, that is sad news!!

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    Well I bet they only get 5%, maybe less, of their money from mountain biking. So they're not too worried about buisness loss compared to how much a new gondola will help in the winter. Besides, have you been in that Keystone gondola? Most of them smell like socks, and you can tell where they just spray painted over rust. I hope they're putting in a new one, not just moving it.

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    There's actually some nice XC loops on Keystone Mountain and in the vicinity. I don't know it the Gondola construction will effect access to those trails. Sounds like if you want to ride lifts you'll have to go elsewhere though.

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    New River Run Gondola Coming Winter 2008/09

    Keystone Resort has announced plans to install a new state-of-the-art eight-passenger gondola to replace the current six-passenger River Run Gondola for the 2008-2009 ski and snowboard season. A key component of the plan includes moving the bottom terminal of the new River Run Gondola into the River Run Village, significantly enhancing the guest experience for both River Run destination guests as well as day visitors parking at the River Run Village, by making access to the gondola easier.
    The upgraded River Run Gondola will follow the same alignment as the existing gondola with the top terminal located in the same location at the summit of Dercum Mountain. A new mid-station will be constructed halfway up Dercum Mountain with loading and unloading in both directions, giving skiers and snowboarders an option to access the upper trails from mid-mountain and to download at the end of their ski day.
    The new cabins were designed with passenger comfort in mind with floor-to-ceiling windows providing the best possible view and with room to accommodate skis and snowboards inside the cabin. Additionally, the new gondola will offer level walk-in heated load and unload stations to provide convenient access for wheelchairs, mountain bikes, strollers, sight seers, mountaintop tubing hill guests and night-time dining guests.
    With a vertical rise of 2,307 feet and a top-to-bottom average trip time of less than 12 minutes, the new eight-passenger River Run Gondola will transport about 2,400 people per hour, more than twice the current level. Keystone plans to operate the new River Run Gondola winter and summer
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    New Mid-station? If you can't make it down from the top, then you came to the wrong resort. I understand that tourists make up quite a bit of revenue, but is this level of catering required?
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    From another Thread:

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    Chuck,
    I am happy to say it's not true. Keystone will be doing some massive mountain renovations this summer as we install our new gondola. This means that the gondola and the Outpost will be closed for the summer. The summit Express however will be open for hikers and mountain bikers to enjoy. Keep checking out web site at www.keystone.snow.com for updated information on these exciting new changes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasonvelocity
    New Mid-station? If you can't make it down from the top, then you came to the wrong resort. I understand that tourists make up quite a bit of revenue, but is this level of catering required?

    Yeah, seems pretty silly to me as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TREKFuelEX8
    im stuck in mid-missouri
    ive only been biking in the rockys once
    so i planned a trip to colorado to DOWNHILL with a couple of my buddies this summer

    ive been hearing keystone is closed... can anyone conform or throw out those rumers

    and any suggestions of places to hit would be great

    thanks

    Winter Park is a blast. It's not as "techie" as Keystone and doesn't have any many trials but the DH trail is a BLAST. It's fast and flowy, tons of fun. But I warn you not to get over confident at WP and then go to Keystone thinking you're a bad-ass . . . . Keystone WILL show you who the boss really is.

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    Ive never ridden Keystone or any place with a lift up. Ive got some friends coming up this summer and they talked about wanting to do this (one of them did it last year and had alot of fun). Would it be a bad idea to try and take my Superlight onto these trails? Im thinking probably so

    How much do the rental places at the resorts charge for bikes generally?

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    Good things are gonna happen at Winter Park this summer... that's all I'll say.

    Also, the DH trail has a big jump section in it now. There is also a big jump section at the bottom of Long Trail right above the slopestyle park. The jumps were there last year but really just rollers. Now on the right side they are probably 6'-7' tall and straight up poppy. I can't wait to hit those lines up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sooner518
    Ive never ridden Keystone or any place with a lift up. Ive got some friends coming up this summer and they talked about wanting to do this (one of them did it last year and had alot of fun). Would it be a bad idea to try and take my Superlight onto these trails? Im thinking probably so

    How much do the rental places at the resorts charge for bikes generally?
    Keystone greens and blues are fine on an XC bike. You won't be able to hit the blues as fast as a DH or FR bike, but you won't get a point were you can't ride it either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sooner518
    Ive never ridden Keystone or any place with a lift up. Ive got some friends coming up this summer and they talked about wanting to do this (one of them did it last year and had alot of fun). Would it be a bad idea to try and take my Superlight onto these trails? Im thinking probably so

    How much do the rental places at the resorts charge for bikes generally?

    Yep, the blues and greens will be fine on your XC ride. You can ride ALL the trails in WP i'd guess.

    I think rental for a full-on DH bike is around 50 bucks, but I'm not sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasonvelocity
    New Mid-station? If you can't make it down from the top, then you came to the wrong resort. I understand that tourists make up quite a bit of revenue, but is this level of catering required?
    That last pitch to the bottom of the gondola is a disaster, IMO. If this keeps green skiers off that pitch everyone will benefit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joelalamo45
    Good things are gonna happen at Winter Park this summer... that's all I'll say.

    Also, the DH trail has a big jump section in it now. There is also a big jump section at the bottom of Long Trail right above the slopestyle park. The jumps were there last year but really just rollers. Now on the right side they are probably 6'-7' tall and straight up poppy. I can't wait to hit those lines up.
    jumps, , how about some steep techy?

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    Typical homer response

    You don't need to go to a resort to find steep and techy, altho Keystone has plenty of that.

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    People who can't jump for squat typically like steep and techy. Just a thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joelalamo45
    People who can't jump for squat typically like steep and techy. Just a thought.
    People who can't ride steep and techy for squat typically like to jump. Both have their appeals and necessary skills. Neither is right or wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rep_1969
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    Originally Posted by MqtRider
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    Chuck,
    I am happy to say it's not true. Keystone will be doing some massive mountain renovations this summer as we install our new gondola. This means that the gondola and the Outpost will be closed for the summer. The summit Express however will be open for hikers and mountain bikers to enjoy. Keep checking out web site at www.keystone.snow.com for updated information on these exciting new changes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by joelalamo45
    People who can't jump for squat typically like steep and techy. Just a thought.
    people who like both buy lift tickets...

    geez rr, my dad is the biggest WP homer of them all, he'd ban me from the house if I gave Keystone money (or props for that matter).

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    I was just messin with ya anyway. Like I said there will be good things that will be going on this summer at WP that will appease some of you techy guys...

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    Quote Originally Posted by joelalamo45
    I was just messin with ya anyway. Like I said there will be good things that will be going on this summer at WP that will appease some of you techy guys...
    That sounds promising, the more resorts who put up lift access trails the better It can only help really. If CO is known to have 3 great resorts within an hour drive of each other, there will be more people taking mt bike vacations, and while gapers exist on bikes as well, the more resorts see income from bikes, the better for us locals as well.

    I didn't ride WP last year, because I had a season pass to Keystone, but with more trails at Sol Vista and at WP I'm going to ride all three this year and skip the pass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joelalamo45
    I was just messin with ya anyway. Like I said there will be good things that will be going on this summer at WP that will appease some of you techy guys...
    Joe, winter park has been saying that for what, three years now? Sure, they built a bunch of stuff near the base of the mountain, that was easy. They own that land. We are all still waiting to see if they have the nads to go toe to toe with the forest service, and build trails on the land winter park leases. Unless you have real good inside info, and I don't mean gossip or wishful thinking, I'm not going to believe you untill I see it for myself.
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    Yeah, the gossip train keeps saying each year that WP is going to build a bunch of sweet trails. And although they did beef up their trails last Summer, it still seems like baby steps to me. And personally I don't consider WP to be all that downhill, since a downhill bike is over kill on all their trails.

    If Keystone turns out to be pretty much closed this Summer during construction, (like Vail has been) I think I'll be spending all my downhilling money out of state this Summer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joelalamo45
    Good things are gonna happen at Winter Park this summer... that's all I'll say.

    Also, the DH trail has a big jump section in it now. There is also a big jump section at the bottom of Long Trail right above the slopestyle park. The jumps were there last year but really just rollers. Now on the right side they are probably 6'-7' tall and straight up poppy. I can't wait to hit those lines up.
    Good thing I'll be interning in Winter Park from May until August. I'll probably to some Downhill and Cross Country on my days off...if I have any.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade
    Joe, winter park has been saying that for what, three years now? Sure, they built a bunch of stuff near the base of the mountain, that was easy. They own that land. We are all still waiting to see if they have the nads to go toe to toe with the forest service, and build trails on the land winter park leases. Unless you have real good inside info, and I don't mean gossip or wishful thinking, I'm not going to believe you untill I see it for myself.
    The only reason Keystone has some aggro trails now is the old mountain manager worked his ass off to get in with the forest service. He went to bat for the guys who built the trails and it payed off. He would go to their office in Lakewood when they wouldn't talk to him, and he would sit and wait in their lobby until they finally listened. He's in China now starting a resort there, but the relationship with the forest service is pretty well established.
    Not to take anything away from the bike crew there, they are the ones that kept pushing management into action; they knew that lifts to xc trails weren't enough. It may not equal Whistler, but they are trying as hard as anyone in the States to get there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whambat
    The only reason Keystone has some aggro trails now is the old mountain manager worked his ass off to get in with the forest service. He went to bat for the guys who built the trails and it payed off. He would go to their office in Lakewood when they wouldn't talk to him, and he would sit and wait in their lobby until they finally listened. He's in China now starting a resort there, but the relationship with the forest service is pretty well established.
    Not to take anything away from the bike crew there, they are the ones that kept pushing management into action; they knew that lifts to xc trails weren't enough. It may not equal Whistler, but they are trying as hard as anyone in the States to get there.
    And to top it off, I have no idea why the USFS gives a sh!t about building trails on a ski resort. The ski runs and lifts have a million times the environmental impact than that of a little trail.

    USFS will have their hands full building roads all over the dam place trying to keep the forrests green, instead of the little bark bettles are trying to make everything reddish-brown.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IndecentExposure
    And to top it off, I have no idea why the USFS gives a sh!t about building trails on a ski resort. The ski runs and lifts have a million times the environmental impact than that of a little trail.

    USFS will have their hands full building roads all over the dam place trying to keep the forrests green, instead of the little bark bettles are trying to make everything reddish-brown.
    It is silly, but in my understanding, their main concern was on building stunt features on the trail, and the possible litigation. There is a reason why it is easier to build this stuff in Canada, far less litigation. A main reason why the forest service accepts the building of such features now is pirate trails. The have realized if they don't allow it to happen how and where they are okay with it, these stunts will be built where they don't want it.
    The part that kills me is that the USFS seems anti-mountain biking because of possible environmental concerns, but they sell off valuable chunks of the forest to developers. There used to be great mountain biking on USFS land where the Keystone River golf course is now. Somehow, a golf course and a 7 figure real estate development is an acceptable reason to sell forest service land, but a teeter toter or a ladder bridge will make the lynx extinct. I guess we need to get more rich douche bags into mountain biking, and the forest service will bend over backwards.

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    So if the forest service is worried about litigation then maybe we should amend Colorado's limited liability laws for ski resorts to include mountain biking.

    http://www.leelikesbikes.com/rider-safety-acts.html

    Petition anyone?

    Edit: Any changes to the laws need to take into account for man made features.

    Edit: Doesn't COMBA have connections with people in the state legislature.

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    The other reason that Keystone is allowed to build more trails, whereas Winter Park is not, has to do with separate branches of the Forest Service. WP operates under the Arapahoe National Forest, where Keystone is White River National Forest. Different management for different forests means different decision-making when it comes to giving the OK for new trails. The Arapahoe guys seem to have a lot more bureacracy issues than the White River people.

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    can anyone update with the freshest news?

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    I got this from a friend yesterday:

    Is the information I am hearing about limited downhill riding this season at Keystone accurate? Will the gondola construction affect all trails or just some? As many downhillers have probably already indicated, I was really looking forward to this season with the improvements from last year!

    As of right now, but things might change a little but we are going to open June 20th, 7 days a week, opening @ 9:00am to 5:30pm. The catch is we might close down on certain days thru the summer when they are going to fly the heli. So spread the word, have everyone check the website before traveling up. There will be some trail closures on a daily basis.

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    Awesome!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles
    That last pitch to the bottom of the gondola is a disaster, IMO. If this keeps green skiers off that pitch everyone will benefit.
    I download the River Run Gondola most of the time when skiing Keystone. River Run at the end of the day is just a disaster area. Lots of tired people, and a toxic mix of skill levels. I'll sneak in an extra lap on Ambush or PowderCap, ride up to the top of Dercum and download.

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