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    Centennial Cone Closure Reminder

    Just a reminder Centennial Cone Park will be closed December 1st through January 31st for the annual elk and deer late season hunt. Only licensed & Open Space permitted hunters will be allowed in the park. Following the hunt, the Elk Range Trail and park interior will be closed starting February 1 through calving season (typically mid-June).

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    are the hunters related to hitlersszzz?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KarateChicken View Post
    are the hunters related to hitlersszzz?
    Well, you could say culling is kind of like that, if you are talking about a specific species.

    Culling is the process of removing animals from a group based on specific criteria. This is done either to reinforce certain desirable characteristics or to remove certain undesirable characteristics from the group.

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    Close the park so Elk can breed.

    Close the park so Elk can be shot.

    So is the cycle of life...

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    Tip of the Day: Elk love Triscuits.

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    So your saying if i get a license and an open space permit I can still ride there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobGolden View Post
    So your saying if i get a license and an open space permit I can still ride there?
    That is an excellent question! My guess is no, since it says that the park is closed to all other use except hunting (hunting is not biking, though it does require hiking - hmmmm). Getting a license is next to impossible and I believe at their discretion


    Hunting at Centennial Cone Park


    The late season hunting access at Centennial Cone Park occurs December 1 through January 31 of each year. The property is closed to all other use during this season.

    To Apply: CDOW License

    Permit applicants must hold a valid late season antlerless elk, female or either sex deer license issued by Colorado Division of Wildlife for the Jeffco portion of Game Management Unit 38. Private Land Only licenses are not valid at Centennial Cone Park.

    Jefferson County Open Space access applications are generally due to Jefferson County Open Space in September. Access permits are limited to 55 elk and 25 deer license holders. Hunters will be allowed to enter the property for hunting anytime during the late season, December through January, except on designated "rest" days. Each hunter will get a copy of the schedule showing the rest days in advance.

    Before gaining access to Centennial Cone, successful applicants are required to complete JCOS hunting orientation, which is held in early November. Hunter orientations are only mandatory for first-time, permitted hunters that have not completed the orientation in prior years.
    Hunters holding a JCOS access permit may only hunt during the time frame specified on their access permit.


    Contact: Colleen Gadd
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    Phone:303-271-5995

    Why Allow Hunting: Elk populations are not being taken by the natural predators including black bear (ineffective) and mountain lions. Unchecked, populations could double in 4-5 years.

    Over browsing by elk decreases plant density and diversity altering succession of plant communities that provide food and cover for other wildlife (small mammals and birds). Good habitat, native plant communities and diverse wildlife currently exist and the Open Space goal is to maintain the resource.

    Other management tools (trapping, fertility inhibitors) are not feasible, not acceptable by the public or have limited effect.

    Jefferson County Open Space envisions responsible elk and wildlife management on the property.

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    Thought you had live in the top-of-Apex neighborhood to get rubber stamped for exclusive C-cone access.
    Since when did Need have anything to do with this?

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    I suppose you have to be a legal citizen of the United States too? Damn rules everywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggs View Post
    Close the park so Elk can breed.

    Close the park so Elk can be shot.

    So is the cycle of life...
    My thoughts exactly.... interesting policy Jeffco has there. Something that stupid usually comes straight from Boulder.

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    Mitch: As a JCOS volunteer myself (trail building), I appreciate your efforts on behalf of the mtb community in passing on JCOS rules and helping to enforce them. But shouldn't there come a time when we question blind obedience to authority?

    Now one of my favorite trails, Mayhem Gulch, will be closed because a handful of hunters, far fewer than the trail's hikers and bikers, are closing it. Jeffco has a need to thin the herd but couldn't this be done in a smarter way?

    For example, Dakota County, Minnesota parks department closes the park annually from 6 am to 10 am for a few weeks for deer herd thinning. Firstly, amateur hunters are allowed in and then when they invariably fail to achieve the requisite number of kills, professional hunters finish the work. The other park users, hikers, skiers, and bikers, can still have their day in the woods.

    JCOS knows that they can push bikers around and there won't be complaints and that's why they do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldenGeezer View Post
    Mitch: As a JCOS volunteer myself (trail building), I appreciate your efforts on behalf of the mtb community in passing on JCOS rules and helping to enforce them. But shouldn't there come a time when we question blind obedience to authority?
    I do not disagree with you. In all the times I have ridden at CC, I have never seen a single elk or even signs of one. Deer yes, elk no.

    However, I think what they are trying to do is close the park for migration period (this being the beginning of it). I was told that the elk heard in CC was the last remaining wild heard in Colorado. I'm not sure what that is supposed to mean, but JCOS values the annual migration in CC. I guess the Elk in Evergreen are not as valuable.

    In the long run, the hunter closure is more about safety. When you have a few hundred yahoos gunning for elk in 3000 acres (I think), bullets would be flying everywhere. I'm not sure I'd want to be in the middle of that.

    As for the calving, I don't see the need for a closure. Try getting close to the calf when momma elk is around.

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    GoldenGeezer I'd say JCOS has the right idea. If they can manage the herd without have to spend tax payer money to hire professional shooters that shoot and then likely waste the meat, then JCOS is doing this correctly. Maybe if Dakota County, Minnesota parks would allow hunters a little more time they would meet their goal without it costing tax payers. You also have to remember the Minnesota deer herd is far different than the Colorado Elk herd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schnauzers View Post
    I do not disagree with you. In all the times I have ridden at CC, I have never seen a single elk or even signs of one. Deer yes, elk no.
    There is a large herd in CC. I've seen them, and they can see/smell you long before you ever get near them.

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    Hunters are not "yahoos".

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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleTrail View Post
    There is a large herd in CC. I've seen them, and they can see/smell you long before you ever get near them.
    Especially, when it's a Randian nut-case yapping about far-fetched Hitler analogies.

    Don't you know elk are telepathic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogbie View Post
    Hunters are not "yahoos".
    Sorry.

    Wahoos!



    FTR: I have nothing against hunting. I would love to bag an elk and fill the freezer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogbie View Post
    Many hunters are not "yahoos".
    Fixed that for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schnauzers View Post
    I guess the Elk in Evergreen are not as valuable.
    They are just too easy to shoot in Evergreen, this was just off the Elk Meadow trail back in early spring, there were just as many on the other side of the trail.


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    Quote Originally Posted by schnauzers View Post
    I would love to bag an elk and fill the freezer.
    Is it legal to kill one that is being a nuisance in your yard?
    the drugs made me realize it's not about the drugs

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    Quote Originally Posted by WKD-RDR View Post
    Is it legal to kill one that is being a nuisance in your yard?
    only if someone sees you....

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    Quote Originally Posted by WKD-RDR View Post
    Is it legal to kill one that is being a nuisance in your yard?
    I wish, but it is not.

    I have about 75 mule deer I'd like to take out. Bastards aren't even afraid of the dogs anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schnauzers View Post
    As for the calving, I don't see the need for a closure. Try getting close to the calf when momma elk is around.
    Calving is a sensitive and crucial time for elk and a lot of other ungulate species. They need to be able to nurse their calves as undisturbed as possible. It's best to leave them alone. They depend on that for their lives, you and I are riding bikes for entertainment.

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    Geez, I thought this thread was about the hunt closure not the calving closure. These are diametrically opposite, as I see it. My point was that JCOS can issue an edict which affects many for the benefit of a few and perhaps a few question it but they are silent. Take the nesting closure on NTM as another example. A huge (I think ugly) barrier was erected announcing a closure due to nesting birds. No data to support such an action and basically saying "shove it, this is the way it is". IMO, JCOS has hired some biologists who, if right, should be making their case to the public when they hand down closures. Believe me, I am an old Berkeley liberal and and totally for good environmental stewardship based on good science and appropriately explained to the public. To hand down rules without the teachings is counterproductive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldenGeezer View Post
    Geez, I thought this thread was about the hunt closure not the calving closure. These are diametrically opposite, as I see it. My point was that JCOS can issue an edict which affects many for the benefit of a few and perhaps a few question it but they are silent. Take the nesting closure on NTM as another example. A huge (I think ugly) barrier was erected announcing a closure due to nesting birds. No data to support such an action and basically saying "shove it, this is the way it is". IMO, JCOS has hired some biologists who, if right, should be making their case to the public when they hand down closures. Believe me, I am an old Berkeley liberal and and totally for good environmental stewardship based on good science and appropriately explained to the public. To hand down rules without the teachings is counterproductive.
    I would agree as there are just as many nesting raptors on the south side of the mountain and that there is a trail which remains open directly below the nesting area. The whole NTM closure and redo is a very odd thing. Close trails to protect and then build a huge parking area to attract fifty times more visitors than were there before. Very odd.

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