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    Be careful on the way to MOAB...

    So I got an email from a few friends that they were randomly selected for a police checkpoint search on the way to Moab last week. They were not speeding and were pulled over and randomly searched as part of a checkpoint. Sure enough they are from Colorado and had a cooler of cold beer, the police officer wrote them a ticket for bootlegging.

    I guess this thread is heads up and if anyone else has had this happen. This is total BS and I almost don't want to cross the boarder anymore and say F the state and their BS laws. FLAME ON
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    Quote Originally Posted by COburns
    They were not speeding and were pulled over and randomly searched as part of a checkpoint. Sure enough they are from Colorado and had a cooler of cold beer, the police officer wrote them a ticket for bootlegging.
    Now I ain't trying to see no highway chase with jake
    Plus I got a few dollars I can fight the case
    So I...pull over to the side of the road
    And I heard "Son do you know why I'm stopping you for?"
    Cause I'm young and I'm black and my hats real low?
    Do I look like a mind reader sir, I don't know.
    Am I under arrest or should I guess some mo?
    "Well you was doing fifty five in a fifty four"
    "License and registration and step out of the car"
    "Are you carrying a weapon on you I know alot of you are"
    I ain't stepping out of ****e all my papers legit
    "Do you mind if I look round the car a little bit?"
    Well my glove compartment is locked so is the trunk and the back
    And I know my rights so you gon' need a warrent for that
    "Aren't you sharp as a tack are some type of lawyer or something?"
    "Or somebody important or something?"
    Nah I ain't pass the bar but I know a little bit
    Enough that you won't illegally search my ****e

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    YES ... exactly what I was thinking!
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    I would have told the officer that unless he has probable cause, then I am not submitting to the search of my vehicle. Probable cause for a search for alcohol or contraband would be like seeing an open container in plain view, or smelling alcohol on a driver who was swerving and is currently slurring when answering questions... right?

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    I've heard of them doing that on 191 south of town, basically targeting Ft Lewis spring break kids, but I suppose with all the new lanes and shoulders north of town, they can pull it off w/out buggering traffic.
    I heard crazy stuff, like a spotter up on a hill checking for people who start moving stuff around when they see the Checkpoint Ahead sign. As soon as they see that, bingo, radio ahead, you are def. getting searched.
    Screw that whole focking state.....arrrrg, but the riding and skiing are soo good.

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    Like DWF quoted

    Is that legal?

    I wanna hear details like if they asked to search the car and was allowed to because as far as I know, your 4th amendment rights are you don't have to consent to search unless there is probable cause. And probable cause is not just a cooler sitting in the back seat. Probable cause is open containers visually seen.

    I would have your friend file a complaint with the ACLU.

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    2x that
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    I sure hope so. He said that it was random something like every 7th car, which makes it legal. I have not clue.. I am just pist because I am going to fruita, moab, and st. george next week and I would have like to brought a few REAL brews along like I always do.
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    Yo, if DWF is gonna quote some JayZ, then I getz to quote some LL:


    What the hell are you lookin for?
    Can't a young man make money anymore?
    Wear my jewels and like freak it on the floor
    Or is it my job to make sure I'm poor?
    Can't my car look better than yours?
    Keep a cigar in between my jaws
    I drink champagne, to hell with Coors
    Never sold coke in my life, I do tours
    Get that flashlight out of my face
    I'm not a dog, so damn it, put away the mace
    I got cash and real attorneys on the case
    You're just a joker perpetratin a ace
    You got time, you wanna give me a taste
    I don't smoke cigarettes, so why you're lookin for base?
    You might plant a gun, and hope I run a race
    Eatin in the messhall, sayin my grace
    You tried to frame me, but it won't work
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    checkpoint

    Whereabouts was this checkpoint? on 191 north of town? I-70? Cisco?

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    They were caught south of town coming in from tellurie, they skied then headed up for a ride. I haven't heard any word on north of town.

    sure enough some moab local jacked my thread in the utah forum and told me not to come to their state. MOAB would not exist without tourism $.

    I think I am getting to worked up about this but it really hit my soft spot (ie LIVER)
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    Quote Originally Posted by COburns
    I sure hope so. He said that it was random something like every 7th car, which makes it legal. I have not clue.. I am just pist because I am going to fruita, moab, and st. george next week and I would have like to brought a few REAL brews along like I always do.

    I don't believe it it's legal. Sounds like typical cop intimidation tactics. They probably said, "we need to search your car, is it okay?" Once you consent, it's legal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lidarman
    Is that legal?

    I wanna hear details like if they asked to search the car and was allowed to because as far as I know, your 4th amendment rights are you don't have to consent to search unless there is probable cause. And probable cause is not just a cooler sitting in the back seat. Probable cause is open containers visually seen.

    I would have your friend file a complaint with the ACLU.
    They can poke their head in the car and open anything within reach of passengers (backpacks, coolers, center consoles, etc.) They cannot force you to open your trunk, but this gets a little vague with station wagons and SUVs where a passenger could reach into the trunk.

    BTW, once they have you stopped, "probable cause" is determined by the judge in the local you are in. Of course there are laws and guidelines, but at the end of the day you are at the mercy of the local legal system where "probably cause" might be a green license plate and a bike on the roof....

    Edit: and by the way, if the cop ASKS for your permission and you give it to him, you have thrown away your right for a warrant.
    Edit:Edit: should have read Lidarman's post first--he just said that.

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    I definitely wont take beer when I do go, but I do kind of want to ask them what their probable cause is for searching my car and see what they say.

    Has anyone actually asked them? Make them put it in writing or something. That'd be kind of funny

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    Hell, I didnt think "random" stops were legal...I pulled you over (in a "free" country) because you were car #7 per my countometer just in case you might be doing something illegal?? Man, our civil liberties are in the sh*tter if that's where things stand...I guess my 3 wives in the back would be cool though.

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    I found this! Just an interesting read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kristian
    They can poke their head in the car and open anything within reach of passengers (backpacks, coolers, center consoles, etc.) They cannot force you to open your trunk, but this gets a little vague with station wagons and SUVs where a passenger could reach into the trunk.

    BTW, once they have you stopped, "probable cause" is determined by the judge in the local you are in. Of course there are laws and guidelines, but at the end of the day you are at the mercy of the local legal system where "probably cause" might be a green license plate and a bike on the roof....

    Edit: and by the way, if the cop ASKS for your permission and you give it to him, you have thrown away your right for a warrant.
    Edit:Edit: should have read Lidarman's post first--he just said that.

    Not my understanding. Sure, they can poke head in a look, but they cannot search anything, even if they can reach it, can reach unless you give permission or they have probably cause or a warrant. The problem is most people give permission because the cops word things funny or they want to make things go smoothly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by COburns
    sure enough some moab local jacked my thread in the utah forum and told me not to come to their state.
    That 1st guy has 1 post. Toal troll-dooj

    Funny what people will beeoch about in a fake world with made up personas....
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    Quote Originally Posted by WKD-RDR
    That 1st guy has 1 post. Toal troll-dooj

    Funny what people will beeoch about in a fake world with made up personas....
    So PeeWee, what makes you think my personna is fake? Most of us know each other in the real world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lidarman
    Not my understanding. Sure, they can poke head in a look, but they cannot search anything, even if they can reach it, can reach unless you give permission or they have probably cause or a warrant. The problem is most people give permission because the cops word things funny or they want to make things go smoothly.

    Right! You can tell them no and tell them that they need a search warrant, but this in the end will make life hell for the next few hours. Most people won't deal with this and say okay you can look.

    If its open-view (plainview) then they do have probable cause to search.

    Sorry, work in the law field.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kristian
    They can poke their head in the car and open anything within reach of passengers (backpacks, coolers, center consoles, etc.) They cannot force you to open your trunk, but this gets a little vague with station wagons and SUVs where a passenger could reach into the trunk.

    BTW, once they have you stopped, "probable cause" is determined by the judge in the local you are in. Of course there are laws and guidelines, but at the end of the day you are at the mercy of the local legal system where "probably cause" might be a green license plate and a bike on the roof....

    Edit: and by the way, if the cop ASKS for your permission and you give it to him, you have thrown away your right for a warrant.
    Edit:Edit: should have read Lidarman's post first--he just said that.
    So when I say no officer you may not search my vehicle, then they assume I am hiding something.
    I am a public employee and normally a huge supporter of local law enforcement. I want to know they are there when I need them but things like this make me wonder.

    I I am speeding give me a ticket. If I swerving give me a ticket but this just seems like more po dunk cops with nothing better to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikergal
    Right! You can tell them no and tell them that they need a search warrant, but this in the end will make life hell for the next few hours. Most people won't deal with this and say okay you can look.

    If its open-view (plainview) then they do have probable cause to search.

    Sorry, work in the law field.

    Agree, and maybe they will if that what gets their jollies. but if you have contraband, and give consent, you are gonna get caught.

    Sadly it does come down to the "nothing to hide, give consent, something to hide, make them work for it."

    Funny how the law is. You can almost admit to doing something (by seeming to have something to hide) yet get off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DWF
    So PeeWee, what makes you think my personna is fake? Most of us know each other in the real world.
    Pffft
    Guess I'm not that cool to know the cool folk.

    But an excellent validation of my point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WKD-RDR
    Pffft
    Guess I'm not that cool to know the cool folk.

    But an excellent validation of my point.

    Flame on
    So your point is that your comments about fake worlds & made up personnas only apply to you? I think you fill a much needed gap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WKD-RDR
    Pffft
    Guess I'm not that cool to know the cool folk.

    But an excellent validation of my point.

    Flame on
    Weren't you referring to the guy in the Utah forums?
    Now with more vitriol!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godzilla
    Weren't you referring to the guy in the Utah forums?

    Yeah, the guy with ONE post.

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    I went to Moab last fall for the Turner Homer fest. I brought 20 cases of beer from Dale. I asked Dale about it. He said that if you're bringing it to give away or for personal consumption, it's legal and they have researched it thouroughly. They take the Oskar's RV and beer trucks lots of places like that. Not that Dale is a lawyer or anything...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DWF
    Now I ain't trying to see no highway chase with jake
    Plus I got a few dollars I can fight the case
    So I...pull over to the side of the road
    And I heard "Son do you know why I'm stopping you for?"
    Cause I'm young and I'm black and my hats real low?
    Do I look like a mind reader sir, I don't know.
    Am I under arrest or should I guess some mo?
    "Well you was doing fifty five in a fifty four"
    "License and registration and step out of the car"
    "Are you carrying a weapon on you I know alot of you are"
    I ain't stepping out of ****e all my papers legit
    "Do you mind if I look round the car a little bit?"
    Well my glove compartment is locked so is the trunk and the back
    And I know my rights so you gon' need a warrent for that
    "Aren't you sharp as a tack are some type of lawyer or something?"
    "Or somebody important or something?"
    Nah I ain't pass the bar but I know a little bit
    Enough that you won't illegally search my ****e

    You got 99 problems... and a beotch ain't one!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ignazjr
    I went to Moab last fall for the Turner Homer fest. I brought 20 cases of beer from Dale. I asked Dale about it. He said that if you're bringing it to give away or for personal consumption, it's legal and they have researched it thouroughly. They take the Oskar's RV and beer trucks lots of places like that. Not that Dale is a lawyer or anything...

    Whatever, though. One more vote for Fruita/GJ!
    Sure Dale researched it well?

    It's appears you can't unless you have two residences, are a foreign visitor, get it from inheritance or foreign diplomat. (I guess you were the Dales PA diplomat)

    from http://www.alcbev.state.ut.us/Olympi.../oly_faqs.html

    "MAY I BRING ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES INTO UTAH ?
    No. Under Utah law "alcoholic beverages" include all hard liquor, spirits, wine and beer. Beer and other malt beverage products that exceed 3.2% alcohol by weight or 4.0% by volume are considered "liquor", and beer with an alcohol content of 3.2% or less is defined as "beer".


    Utah is a control state, and only the Utah Department of Alcoholic Beverage Control (DABC) may lawfully have liquor products imported and shipped into Utah. Private individuals may not lawfully import or transport them into the state. Manufacturers and suppliers of these products may only supply them to the DABC. Only the DABC through its state liquor stores, package agencies, licensees and permittees may sell liquor products in Utah. Possession of liquor products not purchased from the DABC is strictly prohibited. Also, licensed restaurants and private clubs cannot allow patrons to bring wines onto the premises if they were not purchased in Utah. Other Utah laws prohibit the unlawful importation of beer products into Utah.


    There are very few exceptions to these laws. A person coming from a foreign country who clears U.S. customs in Utah may possess, for personal consumption, two liter bottles of liquor purchased outside of Utah. Also, a person who moves his permanent residence to Utah or maintains separate residences both in and out of Utah, may possess for personal consumption, and not for sale or resale, liquor purchased outside of Utah. However, the person must first obtain DABC approval prior to moving to Utah; and upon the arrival of the product, the DABC will affix the Utah label to the liquor for an administrative handling fee. A person may not obtain approval from the DABC under this exception more than once. A person may possess for personal consumption, and not for sale or resale, liquor inherited as part of an estate that is located outside the state and brought it into Utah, after obtaining the approval from the DABC and paying the required administrative handling fee.

    Finally, accredited foreign diplomatic missions that establish a mission presence in Utah may ship, possess and purchase alcoholic beverages under certain exceptions granted under the Vienna Conventions on Diplomatic and Consular Relations. For more information, click here.

    Unless one of these exceptions applies, it is clear you may not bring alcoholic beverages into Utah for any purpose whether it be for personal consumption, to serve at your hospitality house or at a private social function, or to give or sell to others."
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    I saw alcohol laws in the U.S.

    Utah states "No alcohol served on Election Day until 8PM. No alcohol served in restaurants without purchase of food."

    Courteous of Wikipedia.com

    I just thought this was funny. I only saw one other state and that is Indiana (unless Puerto Rico counts) then two.

    I have to say Missouri has the most restrictive state with the most rules to follow.
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    Folks:

    If you get pulled:

    as other have said, #1 Don't consent to a search

    #2: Try telling the cop that you are just traveling through Utah. ie. going to Mexican Hat, Wyoming or Boise or somewhere. Because, as I read the statute, its illegal to transport prohibited beverages into Screwtah, but not illegal to transport through Utah.

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    Well I will chime in as I lived in Utah for 10 years....the laws are different there and a lot of what others have stated about probable cause do not always apply. I am not sure about the Moab area, but I lived in Big Cottonwood Canyon for a few years and they used to set up a checkpoint in the canyon and search every vehicle for drugs. Initially I thought how can this be legal, but within Utah state law all they had to do was announce the checkpoint in the legal section of the newspaper (in very small print) and it was all legit within the state laws. They even had drug dogs present. Like I said not sure if this was a similar situation, but this stuff does go on in Utah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Car-bahn-duh-lay
    Folks:

    If you get pulled:

    as other have said, #1 Don't consent to a search

    #2: Try telling the cop that you are just traveling through Utah. ie. going to Mexican Hat, Wyoming or Boise or somewhere. Because, as I read the statute, its illegal to transport prohibited beverages into Screwtah, but not illegal to transport through Utah.

    I'm still trying to figure that out because what I read, posted above, it's not clear that you can get away with just going through Utah.

    The other thing I am trying to understand but can't find the info anywhere is if, there is a checkpoint ahead where they search cars, and they have a sign before it stating your car will be searched, does it make it legal. It seems possible because maybe you are giving consent by entering the checkpoint because you were warned ahead of time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steadyflow
    Well I will chime in as I lived in Utah for 10 years....the laws are different there and a lot of what others have stated about probable cause do not always apply. I am not sure about the Moab area, but I lived in Big Cottonwood Canyon for a few years and they used to set up a checkpoint in the canyon and search every vehicle for drugs. Initially I thought how can this be legal, but within Utah state law all they had to do was announce the checkpoint in the legal section of the newspaper (in very small print) and it was all legit within the state laws. They even had drug dogs present. Like I said not sure if this was a similar situation, but this stuff does go on in Utah.
    Your 4th amendment rights are never superceded by a state law. However, maybe having the warning like you said, allows the consent to be enabled. You posted that just before I posted realizing that.

    I'm spending a lot of time on this because I go to Utah a lot. And I like the fine pleasures Colorado in Utah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lidarman
    I'm still trying to figure that out because what I read, posted above, it's not clear that you can get away with just going through Utah.

    The other thing I am trying to understand but can't find the info anywhere is if, there is a checkpoint ahead where they search cars, and they have a sign before it stating your car will be searched, does it make it legal. It seems possible because maybe you are giving consent by entering the checkpoint because you were warned ahead of time.
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    DWF, never saw that movie...funny how they had to do tokyo drifting to make it appeal to the new school.

    rebuttal....

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    I downloaded the theme song to Smokey and the Bandit a few days ago.

    "The boys are thirsty in Atlanta, and theres beer in Texarkana"

    edit: Great minds...and all that eh Rich?

    2nd edit: I invented a Smokey and the Bandit drinking game. It rules. As does Burt Reynolds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lidarman
    I'm still trying to figure that out because what I read, posted above, it's not clear that you can get away with just going through Utah.

    The other thing I am trying to understand but can't find the info anywhere is if, there is a checkpoint ahead where they search cars, and they have a sign before it stating your car will be searched, does it make it legal. It seems possible because maybe you are giving consent by entering the checkpoint because you were warned ahead of time.
    generally, roadside checkpoints for things other than sobriety are of dubious legality. A sobriety checkpoint does not require a vehicle search. Cops still need pc or consent to search your vehicle.

    Here are the applicable statutes re: transportation.

    32A-12-504. Unlawful transportation.
    It is unlawful for any person, including a motor carrier, or any officer, agent, or employee of a motor carrier, to order or purchase any alcoholic product or to cause any alcoholic product to be shipped, carried, or transported into this state, or from one place to another within this state except as otherwise authorized by this title.

    32A-12-505. Lawful transportation.
    Nothing contained in Section 32A-12-504 prohibits any carrier from:
    (1) transporting alcoholic products in the course of export from the state; or
    (2) transporting alcoholic products across any part of this state while in transit pursuant to a bona fide consignment of the alcoholic products to a person outside of this state.


    Arent you are selling that beer to your buddy in Kayenta because he can't buy that brand in Az?

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    This is interesting as far as I know you have to have probably cause as everyone has said, so you can refuse the search.

    If they pull the old "You must have something to hide if you don't consent" you can pull out "The US supreme court has ruled that the exercision of one's rights is not grounds for probable cause." (too lazy to look up the case in which this was decided)

    Though I believe they can still detain you for a while and get drug-sniffing dogs and such. If a dog hits on anything that will be their probable cause. I don't thinks dogs are trained to smell unopened beer though.

    Would a cooler in the car be considered probable cause for bootlegging?

    Utah laws are weird though and I wouldn't be surprised if they go over the heads of federal laws, or at least push into a gray area.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flowtron
    I downloaded the theme song to Smokey and the Bandit a few days ago.

    "The boys are thirsty in Atlanta, and theres beer in Texarkana"

    edit: Great minds...and all that eh Rich?

    2nd edit: I invented a Smokey and the Bandit drinking game. It rules. As does Burt Reynolds.
    Sad. I grew up with CBs because my dad owned a wrecker service. My handle was firefly! Can you believe I even had a dorky handle when I was 10 years old.

    Some things never change good buddy.

    Like to know the rules to smokey and the bandit game, do you have to say breaker 19 before you talk or you drink?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lidarman
    DWF, never saw that movie...funny how they had to do tokyo drifting to make it appeal to the new school.

    rebuttal....

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    "Hey bandit, This is little Beaver. Put your foot on the floor, we got your back door."
    Trust me, you're not missing anything by not seeing that movie. Burt's TransAm is gay as was Smoky & the Bandit although Jackie Gleason was prime ("Junior, the foist thing I'm gonna' do when I get home is punch your mamma' right in the mouth! There is no way you sprung from my loins!). I'm going to see if I can find a clip from Gator....
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    Quote Originally Posted by DWF
    ....I'm going to see if I can find a clip from Gator....
    Nothing yet, this will have to hold you over...

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    Quote Originally Posted by nepbug
    This is interesting as far as I know you have to have probably cause as everyone has said, so you can refuse the search.

    If they pull the old "You must have something to hide if you don't consent" you can pull out "The US supreme court has ruled that the exercision of one's rights is not grounds for probable cause." (too lazy to look up the case in which this was decided)

    Though I believe they can still detain you for a while and get drug-sniffing dogs and such. If a dog hits on anything that will be their probable cause. I don't thinks dogs are trained to smell unopened beer though.

    Would a cooler in the car be considered probable cause for bootlegging?

    Utah laws are weird though and I wouldn't be surprised if they go over the heads of federal laws, or at least push into a gray area.

    One thing I did learn about Utah law, is if you get a traffic citation and you refuse to sign it, they can ether write refused to sign and give to you anyway (like most states) or arrest you--cops choice. I learned that when I saw a story on a guy who was tasered because he refused to sign--then later sued.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DWF
    got it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by lidarman
    I'm spending a lot of time on this because I go to Utah a lot. And I like the fine pleasures Colorado in Utah.
    Looks like you'll be needing to store the goods in your door panels on the wait out...

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    They were doing this way back in 1990 (especially in Spring). A friend was driving in around 9:00 at night and 7-10 vehicles were pulled over North of Moab. He described it as a roadside liquor store- cases, 12 packs, kegs, bottles everywhere that had been confiscated.
    Everytime I go there (only 4 times now) I think of his story and have never seen it myself but I've always gone in Fall.

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    Funny, I was just in Moab this week, and decided to try the official State Liquor Store instead of my usual bootlegging (and no, I didn't see a checkpoint, but I did hear about them last year). They didn't check for my special underwear or even card me, and the prices were the same as Colorado (but I can't speak for the beer selection, I was just buying Bourbon).

    Honestly, I'm now a little Moab'd out anyway, and if they're going to try increasing revenue through quasi-legal police checkpoints and unwarranted searches, I'll just be more tempted to explore more around here.

    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
    I am disappointed when I see all of the efforts law enforcement goes through to discard this amendment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ibmkidIII
    Looks like you'll be needing to store the goods in your door panels on the wait out...
    I think Dales Pale fits in these boxes nicely. :P...But caffeine is prolly illegal in Utahl too so I better get some sprite boxes instead.

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