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    Capital Bikeshare Fail

    Bikeshare the Wealth | The Weekly Standard

    "the program(Capital Bikeshare) has received $16 million in government subsidies, including over
    $1 million specifically earmarked to "address the unique transportation
    challenges faced by welfare recipients and low-income persons seeking to
    obtain and maintain employment."

    "Capital Bikeshare's latest user survey finds that 95 percent of its regular
    patrons have college degrees, 53 percent have a Masters or Ph.D., and 80
    percent are white. Fully 0 percent have only a high school diploma and just 7
    percent make less than $25,000 a year. More than 90 percent were employed
    and 14 percent reported they were college students, suggesting that very
    few welfare recipients are using the service."





    I see this and think about projects like the Colorado Front Range Trail and
    this latest GOCO grant award to complete the CFR trail to Pueblo and
    the amount of money and effort put into something that really meets no
    need. In the end the bad PR really hurts our cause and the money spent
    on programs like these would be much better spent meeting the
    specific needs of local governments who have already done the planning
    for their own bike community.

    Local trail connectivity is a much larger need here locally than a single
    mutli-million dollar project to connect a trail to Pueblo IMHO.

    It just seems that bikes are so often used by other user groups to get
    money for their own little pet projects and have little regard for the bad PR
    bikes get later on or the fact that more immediate needs are neglected.

    The question I would like to ask my fellow trail users is:
    What do we need to do to put a stop to other user groups hijacking
    funds intended for bikes that could be put to a better use by real bikers?

    There XCguy. My weekly contribution.
    Flame away!

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    What? My tax money is being spent on bicycles I will never use? Horrible!

    I also heard federal dollars are being used at a million dollars a mile to pave a road in Indiana that I will probably never drive on. Scandalous!

    I want my tax dollars to only be used on the exact parts of America's transportation infrastructure that I personally use.
    Someone get Ron Paul on this STAT!

    Oh, and the $1million dollar earmark was for a bikeshare program in Maryland.
    Capitol bikeshare is Washington DC. I consulted Wikipedia and apparently they are not the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moustache rider View Post
    Oh, and the $1million dollar earmark was for a bikeshare program in Maryland.
    Capitol bikeshare is Washington DC. I consulted Wikipedia and apparently they are not the same.
    There are good reasons not to trust anything you find in Wikipedia.

    From the link provided in the OP:
    "Capital Bikeshare, the current operator of the bikeshare program in the
    District of Columbia and Arlington County, will also provide the equipment and
    services to run Montgomery County’s program. It will be responsible for
    maintenance of bicycles, station infrastructure, redistribution of bikes and
    insurance costs. The program is expected to begin next year."

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    Wikipedia told me that Maryland and Washington DC are not the same thing. Just in case you didn't know this...

    Capitol Bikeshare will only be operating the Maryland program.
    The million dollar earmark was specifically for setting up a Maryland program.
    The survey of bikeshare users is specifically about people utilizing the DC program.

    Do you see the problem here?

    The reason newsrags like the weekly standard know they can get away with such blatant misinformation is that the target audience (you) will let your confirmation bias to blind you to the fact they are conflating Maryland and Washington DC.

    How you were able to relate flawed criticism of an urban bike program in DC to a trail in Colorado, I don't even care to go down that rabbit hole.

    In the history of Uncle Fail's "LOOK WHAT THE GUBMENT'S DOING" rants. This one is the failiest.

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    i agree

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moustache rider View Post

    Wikipedia told me that Maryland and Washington DC are not the same thing. Just in case you didn't know this...

    Capitol Bikeshare will only be operating the Maryland program.
    The million dollar earmark was specifically for setting up a Maryland program.
    The survey of bikeshare users is specifically about people utilizing the DC program.

    Do you see the problem here?

    The reason newsrags like the weekly standard know they can get away with such blatant misinformation is that the target audience (you) will let your confirmation bias to blind you to the fact they are conflating Maryland and Washington DC.

    How you were able to relate flawed criticism of an urban bike program in DC to a trail in Colorado, I don't even care to go down that rabbit hole.

    In the history of Uncle Fail's "LOOK WHAT THE GUBMENT'S DOING" rants. This one is the failiest.
    No you fail. The info is from a Mongomery County press release.

    And this is the 3rd time someone has left the exact same anonymous neg
    rep calling me retarded. Dick, misogynist, racist, idiot, retarded, all from
    anonymous cowards too chickenshit to say it in front of everyone else.

    This ^^^^^
    Last edited by UncleTrail; 06-23-2012 at 12:04 AM.

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    UncoolFAIL, lulz

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    I don't see it as a fail. People are riding the damned things. What do you care who rides them? If they were sitting there unused or getting beat up and stolen, then there would be a problem. Where are the indigent going to go on a bike? To a job interview? Good idea! Get all hot and sweaty beforehand. Are there provisions made for carrying more than one bag of groceries on the bikes? If not, then anyone on welfare is going to take the bus. And where are the bikes located? Are they near the low income housing? Under the bridges? Are they in places that the unemployed would be found?

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    This thread more proof we should have a Mtbr front range group ride. UncleFail and dooschstache rider additional obligatory attendees. Imagine the chuckles

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    Hmmm. Let's see what the survey says:

    "The survey was administered online to registered Capital Bikeshare members."

    Nope, not going to get any bias in those responses!

    What else - 5000 respondents. How many total memberships were there in April 2012? Oh, about 160,000. That's definitely going to be conclusive!

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    if the tax payer paid program is being used almost exclusively by only those who pay taxes.....is it still socialism?


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    Oops that didn't buy us any votes, lets just scrap all the bikes and send the cash to all welfare recips so they can fill the tanks of the Escalades and Navigators.

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    Here's the deal.

    I believe my OP clearly stated that I'm questioning the bad PR brought on by a
    welfare program piggybacking on Bike Share to get funding. Much like stormwater
    (CSU) is piggybacking on parks to build stormwater projects on Fountain Creek using
    GOCO grants. Or hiking groups wanting to build the American Discovery Trail up Hwy
    24 to Woodland Park, selling it to politicians as a way to get bicycles off the
    highway. Those of us who "really" ride bikes know these are false promises,
    and what happens is that money meant for bike programs gets diverted away from
    high priority local bike/trails projects as they are re-prioritized and ranked below these pet
    projects of politicians.

    In the end we (bikers) get bad PR since the promises that these groups make are
    never met. That's the point. It happens all the time. More than you know.

    The Colorado Front Range Trail, American Discovery Trail, Peak to Prairie Initiative,
    Salazar's Crown Jewel Project, decommissioning the Drake Power Plant, Rainbow
    Falls, Acacia Park, the list is endless of special pet projects that take away from trail projects
    already on the books. My OP is about priorities.

    Building trails is more than showing up on a work day. Some people get it.
    And you get things like Golden Bike Park and races down Pipeline when that happens.
    You have to get involved!

    All I can say is it's pretty disappointing to continually be labelled, stereotyped,
    and insulted based on things I never said. It goes beyond just having fun or
    making entertainment on the Internet. It's the reason why alt.mountain-bike
    and rec.bicycles.off-road failed, and it's the same people (KC & Friends) doing it.

    I want to advocate for trails. But the OT posts are tiring and fatigue me.
    It's not about Dems or Repubs or Libs like some of you want to make it.
    It's about ALL of them. It's about accountability, priorities, our future and
    taking back the system back from those who are destroying it.

    So I'm taking a vacation from MTBR. Every thread becomes the same argument and it's
    boring. There is no discussion taking place.

    Your on your own with Red Rocks/Section 16. I need to recharge my
    batteries and clear my head. I think I'm done for a while.

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    Meh, the internet is full of bullies and bullsh!t. Case in point.

    I see your point UT, however if you look at where the bikes are located, they're no where near low income housing. They're in downtown where people with wealth and a good bike attitude are. This doesn't help a poor family in the suburbs get to the local market in the suburbs.

    Look at the obstacles preventing you from riding your bike everywhere: paths, theft, infrastructure. Not bikes.

    In my opinion, legislation needs to be passed that EVERY street MUST HAVE BIKE LANES!!! If a new road goes in, it must have designated bike lanes and paths. Design the road to be widened for bikes, period. Can't enable bikes to be on it? No road. Create tunnels and bridges to circumnavigate intersections.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IndecentExposure View Post
    I see your point UT,
    What point? His point is based on a survey that asked for responses over email from people with memberships. This means people who:

    - Have the cash flow to be able to buy a full membership
    - use bikes enough to justify the membership cost
    - have email and use it regularly
    - have the time and motivation to answer a survey

    Can you guess what this demographic looks like?

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    Come on UT, the rhetoric the program was couched in is common in legislation. They aren't going to come out and say that they want a bike share only for the upper middle class. In order to get the thing to pass, they must write it in all inclusive terms. I don't think anyone who votes is going to feel as if he or she were misled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curtis C View Post
    Oops that didn't buy us any votes, lets just scrap all the bikes and send the cash to all welfare recips so they can fill the tanks of the Escalades and Navigators.
    In 4 years of riding a mountain bike I have been to trestle a total of 1 day. I did go to Sol Vista 1 day also so maybe your are on to something Would the owner of this unsigned neg rep like to explain how my post above makes me hypocritical

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    LOL . . . you all take positive/negative rep waaaaayyyyy too seriously.

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    this thread is so full of awesome

    would read again

    UncoolFAIL, always with tha lulz

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curtis C View Post
    In 4 tears of riding a mountain bike
    tha lulz, right there^ tears, lulz to the point of tears, fer sher

    even moar lulz is the fact that you were subscribed to the colorado creeper's thread

    could you FAIL any harder?

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    Let's see:

    "the program(Capital Bikeshare) has received $16 million in government subsidies, including over
    $1 million specifically earmarked to "address the unique transportation
    challenges faced by welfare recipients and low-income persons seeking to
    obtain and maintain employment."

    Clicking on the link shows the grant was approved July 15, 2011 and that the project was supposed to start "next year" (so 2012).

    Then we have this indicting "proof":

    "Capital Bikeshare's latest user survey finds that 95 percent of its regular
    patrons have college degrees, 53 percent have a Masters or Ph.D., and 80
    percent are white."

    So when was this survey taken? Looks like November and December of 2011. Or in other words, before the "failed" project was actually supposed to start.

    The OP's rant is just a trainwreck on every point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dr.welby View Post
    The OP's rant is just a trainwreck on every point.
    Maybe you should read this before reading MTBR again?
    Using Quotation Marks When Citing Information



    moar Bike Share PR fail.

    Looks like a chicken ^^^^. Clucks like a chicken.
    It must be that Macho Chicken sending his lulz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleTrail View Post
    Maybe you should read this before reading MTBR again?
    Let's see what that page (Using Quotation Marks When Citing Information) says:

    "Quotation marks (“ ”) are a form of punctuation that set some text apart from other text. They are used for things that people have said, or that are being drawn verbatim from a piece of writing."

    Hmm, seems like I drew those quotes verbatim from your post. Which is a piece of writing, last time I checked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleTrail View Post



    moar Bike Share PR fail.

    "Hey look at those sick **** freaks!!1!" distraction strategy duly noted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dr.welby View Post
    Let's see what that page (Using Quotation Marks When Citing Information) says:

    "Quotation marks (“ ”) are a form of punctuation that set some text apart from other text. They are used for things that people have said, or that are being drawn verbatim from a piece of writing."

    Hmm, seems like I drew those quotes verbatim from your post. Which is a piece of writing, last time I checked.
    Wow!
    Moar reason to run from MTBR.

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