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    The Burn MTB TT In Buffalo Creek May 31 08

    Racers,

    Mother nature got the best of us last year, but we will re-innagurate the Burn in 08.

    Registration is limited to the first 250 racers. There are NO DAY OF REGISTRATIONS this year. So, lock down your spot, load up the carbs and Shine up that 44. The Burn is gonna ignite!


    What is a Time Trial? A time trial is a race against the clock. It's you vs yourself as this mind teaser will have you questioning when and where you can add a little speed over your competitors. Riders will be released one at a time with 30 seconds inbetween riders. Time Trials are sometimes called the "Race of Truth".


    We have proposed a time trial due to the strict regulations the South Platte Ranger District of the USDA Forest service set forth. The overarching issue is the endangered species in the area. Riding off of the trial will damage the habitat of these creatures . Creating a time trial spaces riders out evenly, so that passing may not be as much as an issue as a normal XC race. The race is a mix of singletrack interleaved with double track and fireroads. There are special rules that the racer must acknowledge and sign for this event. This is our best way of not damaging the environment while still allowing us to use the epic trail system.

    There are 2 courses, a 14 mile course and a 22 mile course. These courses will challenge all. The initial descent(Yes a race that begins with a downhill ) is a very tight fire road that has been massively erroded. It is VERY fast and quite technical due to the speed and erosion. From there the racer will begin a mild ascent up Gashouse gulch, then routed onto Miller Gulch. Enter the Burn. A twisty descent down sandy wash will yield you only smiles as you begin your climb back to the finish, but wait, there will be an additional singletrack climb on shinglemill and one killer descent down Morrision Creek. Back onto the fireroad and put yourself into the highest gear you can maintain and spin that thing like you never have before.

    We will do our best to seed riders, so when registering answer the questions honestly and you and your fellow racers will enjoy a smooth race.

    Join us as Team Evergreen Racing brings a new twist to the front range in 2008.
    More information can be found at www.teamevergreenracing.com
    Technical Data to be found at http://trail.motionbased.com/trail/user/evergreenracer

    We would love to have you join us for the innagural event.

    Thanks for your time.
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    Registered! Thanks for the heads up...

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    Quote Originally Posted by JSD303
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    Singlespeed category... Will be rockin the Sheep. Oh great.. Jdub is coming to kick my ass... well get in line Jdub. The singlespeed category is gonna be full of badasses, and I ain't one of em. I'll be happy with dead last and a great ride in BC!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JSD303
    Oh great.. Jdub is coming to kick my ass... well get in line Jdub. The singlespeed category is gonna be full of badasses, and I ain't one of em. I'll be happy with dead last and a great ride in BC!
    I'm interested in doing this, mainly as an excuse to have to get to BC again. If I sign up, you and I will be battling it out for DFL....and having a great time.

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    Should be fun, Jdub! Don't give me that "if I sign up" crap... just sign up now so you are in for sure.

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    I think I'll do this in one form or the other.

    What kind of gearing do you SS folk plan on riding? 26" or 29".

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    I'm running 34-20 on my 29er all the time...

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    Slightly off topic, but what are your favorite Buff Creek tires? I religiously ride Nevegals front and rear but after a few hard crashes in BC (after my front tire washed out), Iím starting to question whether theyíre the best front tire for this surface/terrain. Thoughts?

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    I've been on 29er Rampages for awhile and love them. They have a plenty of grip like the Nev and feel better than the Nevs by a mile with regards to rolling resistance. I've not had problems with washouts when flying through BC on the Rampages. Nice volume and have been pretty tough (wore through a couple sets of treads without tears to the tire or sidewall or anything)... What pressure were you running on the Nevs when you biffed - tubeless/tubed - what rims? Those Nevs are pretty grippy, so was curious how you had them setup... I run the Rampages at around 35-40psi with tubes currently on a DT TK7.1 rim... I'm hoping my LBS will just give me a set of I9s laced to Flows, but I don't see that happening anytime soon.

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    Has anybody been up there lately?

    I would imagine that stuff is drying up pretty quickly up there. I haven't yet gotten a chance to survey the area this year, but last year it was pretty dry by this time and that was a big winter.

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    I was up there on Sunday and it was on its way... still icy-snowy patches on CT and 543. I rode from Ranger Station up Shinglemill to CT towards chair rock and back. Good day riding.

    Anyone know how much snow fell up there from this latest storm? Thoughts on when it will be ready for another ride?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JSD303
    I was up there on Sunday and it was on its way... still icy-snowy patches on CT and 543. I rode from Ranger Station up Shinglemill to CT towards chair rock and back. Good day riding.

    Anyone know how much snow fell up there from this latest storm? Thoughts on when it will be ready for another ride?
    I agree. I'd love to ride there tomorrow, but that isn't going to happen.

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    Tree Status

    Anybody aware of downed trees in the area? Is it anything like last year?

    Thanks in Advance,
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    So far I haven't seen any. I have not ridden the CT from shinglemill towards the GM loop, which if I remember correctly, was where the trees were down last year. So I'm no help... lol Gashouse was clear, Sandy, Charlies, Shinglemill, CT towards chair rock... all clear there.

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    Registration is limited....

    Racers,

    If you are thinking about racing this event, I would encourage you to sign up early. There are a limited number of spaces, and judging by the amount of race entries so far I would imagine that we fill up this year. There are NO day of registrations this year. Registration closes Midnight May 29 if not sooner due to the racer cap.

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    Just Promoting.

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    Trying to get the wife's OK and I'll be in dragging two along for some SS torture. Can't wait.

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    Trail Conditions & Camping?

    Anyone know what the trail conditions are like up there now? Is there any good backcountry camping or somewhere someone can camp on a whim?

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    The Burn.....3 weeks and counting.

    Quote Originally Posted by phatykoko
    Anyone know what the trail conditions are like up there now? Is there any good backcountry camping or somewhere someone can camp on a whim?

    We are lucky to hold a race on such an awesome trail system. Everytime I ride up there, I'm always amazed at how much fun it is. Big thanks go out to all of our sponsors and the USFS south platte ranger district for allowing us this oppourtunity.

    Trail conditions today (before the rain ) were most excellent. That late season, ego draining sand was all but gone. However, I was a little weary that when I got to the top of gashouse there was fire everywhere , but it appeared that the forest service had a controlled burn going on, however I didn't see a single person. I'm sure they know what they were doing.

    Lots of camping up there, but if you are registering for the race, you might want to look into camping up at wellington lake. It's not free, but there are some fish with my name on them up there! http://castlemountainrecreation.com/

    Other camping can be had throughout the forest. You can visit the forest service sight for more info. http://www.fs.fed.us/r2/psicc/spl/


    Good times to come.....Good times.

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    Was up there on sat. and conditions were superb, a little chilly for a 7:30 start. Climbed shinglemill to CT and out to Green Mountian and there were no downed trees. I could not find the new connector to gashouse to cut out the fireroad. But we were running a bit late so did not scout around too much. Top of Gashouse was still smoldering. They must have reignited it today. Any info on that new connector? We got back to the truck around 11:00 and not one single car in the lot, where was everybody. It was chilly but that is what climbing is for.

    Looking into doing this race, hopefully it's not full yet.
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    It's not full yet,

    But Cyclo-Core is providing a free training plan with registration. So to make the best of it sign up early and see if it helps!

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    Can you post maps and start times here? When I follow "The Burn" link from the teamevergreenracing.com website, the site crashes on me.
    Thanks!

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    Course Map.

    Course Description is as follows:
    All Racers will
    Start at Wellington lake Recreation Area.
    Descend down FS543(Service Road)
    Turn Left onto FS550(Service Road)
    Turn Right and climb up Gashouse Gulch.

    At the Intersection of Baldy and Gashouse Gulch there will course redirection for Sport and Beginner racers.
    Sport and Beginner Racers will:
    Turn Right on Baldy and Descend back to FS543
    Turn Right onto FS543 and climb to the Wellington Lake Recreation Area.

    At the Intersection of Baldy and Gashouse Gulch the Pro and Expert Riders will:
    Continue to ride to Miller Gulch Trail.
    Follow Miller Gulch and continue to ride it as it turns into the Sandy Wash trail.
    Descend down the Sandy Wash trail to FS543.
    Turn Right on FS 543(Service Road).
    Turn Left onto Shinglemill.
    Continue on Shilnglemill and turn right onto Morrison Creek.
    Descend Morrison Creek and Turn Left onto FS543(Service Road).
    Follow FS543(Service Road) to FS550(Service Road)
    Turn Left onto FS550(Service Road) and climb to Wellington Lake Recreation Area.
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    I was wondering why Charlie's Cutoff is bypassed for Miller Gulch? Charlie's is one of my favorite trails out there... I might just ride it during the race, because it's my favorite... I'm gonna finish DFL anyway, why not enjoy the ride more? lol

    I had another question. I'm pretty slow and riding my SS for this race (my first)... I imagine it will take me around 2.5ish hrs riding to complete the 20+mile race. The fasted SS guys will do it MUCH faster than that... Would it be more appropriate for me to race my SS in the beginner category with slower riders on the shorter course, OR just take longer and make everyone wait for my slow ass to finish so they can hand prizes to everyone else? lol Also, I'm registered currently in the SS category, how big of a deal would it be to switch to beginner - if that's what you recommend?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JSD303
    I was wondering why Charlie's Cutoff is bypassed for Miller Gulch? Charlie's is one of my favorite trails out there... I might just ride it during the race, because it's my favorite... I'm gonna finish DFL anyway, why not enjoy the ride more? lol

    I had another question. I'm pretty slow and riding my SS for this race (my first)... I imagine it will take me around 2.5ish hrs riding to complete the 20+mile race. The fasted SS guys will do it MUCH faster than that... Would it be more appropriate for me to race my SS in the beginner category with slower riders on the shorter course, OR just take longer and make everyone wait for my slow ass to finish so they can hand prizes to everyone else? lol Also, I'm registered currently in the SS category, how big of a deal would it be to switch to beginner - if that's what you recommend?
    Charlies is mostly singletrack and we need double track for passing. Thats why that decision was made. Shoot me an email and we can discuss category changes.

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    Registration Closes Thursday at Midnight!

    And there are NO DAY OF REGISTRATIONS!

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    May be a dumb question...

    Will the trails within Buffalo Creek (that the race is utilizing) be closed to the public during the race?

    Thanks!

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    No Trail Closures.

    Quote Originally Posted by mkrause
    Will the trails within Buffalo Creek (that the race is utilizing) be closed to the public during the race?

    Thanks!

    Not a dumb question! Trails are still open to the public. Forest Service does not allow trail closures. However, we would like to recommend that you do not ride on the same trails as the race. The race will approximately start at 9:30 and approximately end around 3p.m. If you do decide to ride on the trails we would also like to recommend that you ride with traffic rather than against it and if you do see racers we encourage you to step off your bike and let the racers pass.


    Your safety is important to us as is our racers.

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    Quick question: I'll be coming in from Colorado Springs. Will I be able to get to Wellington Lake via FS 550 coming in from Colo 126? Or will I have to go around and come in via Bailey? I'm assuming that it will be closed during the race. Maybe not?

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    No Road or Trail Closures.

    Quote Originally Posted by phily1dog
    Quick question: I'll be coming in from Colorado Springs. Will I be able to get to Wellington Lake via FS 550 coming in from Colo 126? Or will I have to go around and come in via Bailey? I'm assuming that it will be closed during the race. Maybe not?
    I'd recommend coming in from Bailey. I'd really like to keep the traffic on course to a minimum before and during the event.

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    Registration Closes Tonight at Midnight!

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    I really wish TE Racing would not do this race. Just my personal thoughts. TT or not, it impacts the fragile trails at BC. I already voiced my opposition as a TE Board Member and just thought I would say it again here.

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    Start List is posted.

    http://www.teamevergreenracing.com/i...ba06dbef1#1032


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    Quote Originally Posted by schnauzers
    I really wish TE Racing would not do this race. Just my personal thoughts. TT or not, it impacts the fragile trails at BC. I already voiced my opposition as a TE Board Member and just thought I would say it again here.
    What makes the trails at BC fragile?

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    I'd recommend coming in from Bailey. I'd really like to keep the traffic on course to a minimum before and during the event.
    asking this guy to turn a 6 mile or so drive into 25+ miles when the road is open? I could see avoiding the road during the race, but going to the race from the Springs? That makes no sense at all. Coming up 285, yes go to Baily.

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    Thanks

    It was really fun time. You guys did a good job. Unfortunately I had to bail after the race. Will results be mailed to the group or posted on the Evergreen site?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bulldozer
    What makes the trails at BC fragile?
    You are kidding, right?

    Read the second word in the title of this thread.

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    So your major concern was that the racers would cause another fire?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JSD303
    So your major concern was that the racers would cause another fire?
    UGHH?? I believe they are talking about the new growth and fragile environment from the old fire , Just a guess though..........
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    We are talking about a bike race setup in time trial fashion with plenty of doubletrack and fireroad to pass. I raced in it and didn't have to destroy the environment to pass or let people pass. I would assume that racers are not just your average rider who are passing off the singletrack. I didn't witness any littering (other than bottles that shook free - which were being picked up) on the course. I also was under the impression that after a fire, the forest is in really good shape for recovery. I honestly didn't see what made this race all that much more environmentally destructive than your average weekend of riding. All of the before and after race, start/finish line, were all at a campground around Lake Wellington. The only real issue I could see would be the damage to the fireroad (68) heading to Wellington, which was pretty jacked and washboarded to begin with.

    Anyway, I wasn't suggesting that schnauzer not have a right to protest. I'm new to mountain biking and yesterday was my first race. I have volunteered in BC at every single trail day that I could make since I started riding. I care a lot about BC, as well, and wanted to understand what ecological problems were created by me riding the trail yesterday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PBR me!
    UGHH?? I believe they are talking about the new growth and fragile environment from the old fire , Just a guess though..........
    Thank you!

    In particular, when a trail is widened in the burn area, there is no vegetation to fill in the sides. Take a look at the gashouse connector trail (redskin creek trail). When it was first built, it was 30" wide. Notice that in less than a year it has filled into nice singletrack. If 250 riders ar one time are vying for best speed, regardless of the staggard start there will be passing. You can say to your blue in the face to only pass in doubletrack. That never happens. If you widen the singletrack in the burn area, it will be a very long time before it fills in.

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    This race was VERY well organized. To those who think the riders were going to "destroy" the trail with passing, I have to tell you that everyone that I came upon (or that came upon me) passed with caution and pulled over without leaving the trail. Yes MTB'ers can be thoughful. Also - the ONLY trash I saw on the trail were 4 or 5 water bottles that we likely rattled loose. No GU or Bar wrappers AT ALL. I also noticed all of the volunteers coming back to the Start/Finish with all of the directional signs and white trail flags. Great job everyone!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JSD303
    We are talking about a bike race setup in time trial fashion with plenty of doubletrack and fireroad to pass. I raced in it and didn't have to destroy the environment to pass or let people pass.
    So J, how'd ya do?

    Today we rode some of the singletrack sections that were a part of the Burn course (Shinglemill, Morrison, Gashouse, Miller, Sandy) and I'm pleased to say, nothing looked out of whack. In fact if I had not known about the race I would not have known a race was ridden there. It all looked fine.

    Most surprising is the fact that as someone else mentioned, not a wrapper or bottle to be seen anywhere.

    Kudos to the organizers and racers as it seems the race was well run and the trail was left in great condition.

    And fyi, the new Gashouse connector to the CT is complete!!! Someone finished it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edemtbs
    So J, how'd ya do?

    Today we rode some of the singletrack sections that were a part of the Burn course (Shinglemill, Morrison, Gashouse, Miller, Sandy) and I'm pleased to say, nothing looked out of whack. In fact if I had not known about the race I would not have known a race was ridden there. It all looked fine.

    Most surprising is the fact that as someone else mentioned, not a wrapper or bottle to be seen anywhere.

    Kudos to the organizers and racers as it seems the race was well run and the trail was left in great condition.

    And fyi, the new Gashouse connector to the CT is complete!!! Someone finished it up.

    Ed
    Well, I still don't think holding a race there is a good idea. Opinions are just that, opinions.

    I believe the USFS was supposed to voluntter the fire break trainees to finish up the Redskin Creek trail

    Hey Ed, was I finally right about the trail in your pics?

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    Quote Originally Posted by schnauzers
    I believe the USFS was supposed to voluntter the fire break trainees to finish up the Redskin Creek trail

    Hey Ed, was I finally right about the trail in your pics?
    Volunteers, that answers it.

    Nope. PM sent

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    Ed - 2:27 and change for the 22mi course... DFL in singlespeed. But I finished!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JSD303
    Ed - 2:27 and change for the 22mi course... DFL in singlespeed. But I finished!!
    what gearing did you run? I was on 32x18 on my 26" wheels.

    did you do Charlie's Cutoff instead of Millers?

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    I ran 34x20 on my 29er. No Charlie's... I just did the course as laid out.

    As a side note, I just run 34x20 only on the Sheep. I've not changed it for any ride. Do you singlespeed guys/gals change gearing frequently? Honestly, I would suck in any gear combo, so I don't see the point. lol

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