Buff Creek Experts ??

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  • 11-14-2012
    danaco
    Buff Creek Experts ??
    I did a search for Nice Kitty but info is limited it seems including a BC map with it included to get an idea of exactly where it connects with the other trails, ie- overall picture...

    Is there a bridge as mentioned on the Nat Geo map ? Does it exist ? I looked for that trail about a month or so ago off 543 but never saw it, so went on to Shinglemill etc.

    I am looking for a night time route from 543 lot that includes Sandy as a return to 543 without the usual big mileage to get to Sandy, would NK do that ?

    Thanks for any info you can lend....
  • 11-14-2012
    smmokan
  • 11-14-2012
    brettf
    Nice Kitty is on the South side of 543, Sandy Wash is on the North side, so it doesn't really factor in with Sandy Wash other than you can ride Sandy Wash either before or after Nice Kitty. Or both :)

    But I don't know the current status of Nice Kitty or the bridge. That bridge has been in discussions for a very long period of time. Does anyone know if the trail has been officially opened or even if the official bridge has been completed?
  • 11-14-2012
    richccc
    Ok for starters nice kitty is open, if you park at 543 lot its about a mile up on your left there is a big rock where the trail starts and then a bridge. When you riding up the fire road its just passed the beginning of sandy wash single track, if you come up to the sandy wash meets the fire road again you went to far. Nice kitty will take you to the scraggy lot from there you can ride the CO trail to shingle mill,etc. Going early this saturday if anyone interested.
  • 11-14-2012
    richccc
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by danaco View Post
    I did a search for Nice Kitty but info is limited it seems including a BC map with it included to get an idea of exactly where it connects with the other trails, ie- overall picture...

    Is there a bridge as mentioned on the Nat Geo map ? Does it exist ? I looked for that trail about a month or so ago off 543 but never saw it, so went on to Shinglemill etc.

    I am looking for a night time route from 543 lot that includes Sandy as a return to 543 without the usual big mileage to get to Sandy, would NK do that ?

    Thanks for any info you can lend....

    Nice kitty to CO trail to shinglemill will give you 10+miles
  • 11-14-2012
    Devildog1775
  • 11-14-2012
    69erEverything
    If you take the new singletrack that parallels the road you will miss the Nice Kitty trail entrance as it dumps you out past it. So if you take the new singletrack, when you get to the road make a left and it is a few hundred feet or so on the right side.
  • 11-14-2012
    brettf
    Glad to hear it's open. I won't have to pound pavement to get from 543 to the CT area quickly anymore! Thanks for the heads up guys.
  • 11-14-2012
    GIANTkiller
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by danaco View Post
    I did a search for Nice Kitty but info is limited it seems including a BC map with it included to get an idea of exactly where it connects with the other trails, ie- overall picture...

    Is there a bridge as mentioned on the Nat Geo map ? Does it exist ? I looked for that trail about a month or so ago off 543 but never saw it, so went on to Shinglemill etc.

    I am looking for a night time route from 543 lot that includes Sandy as a return to 543 without the usual big mileage to get to Sandy, would NK do that ?

    Thanks for any info you can lend....

    543 lot>543>Nice Kitty (as mentioned, access off 543 to the south, but easy to miss as it is not marked. there is a temporary bridge down from a couple big rocks on south side of 543 - if you aren't looking down towards the river a bit past the gate, you'll miss it. Also as mentioned, better up than down).>Buff Burn>CT>Shinglemill(Morrison if ya want))>543>Lower Sandy>543>543 lot.
    Not sure on mileage, but that wouldn't be too big. Nice Kitty is a 4 mile climb to Buffalo Burn (not CT), but a nice grind - not difficult.
    Nice Kitty would not help you get the full Sandy experience any easier, as it is south off 543 rather than north (as mentioned by the infamous brettf).
    NK goes from 543 to Buff Burn. Not to CT or Scraggy TH.

    Edit - Sorry - should read all responses 1st. This looks pretty much like Devildog's route (in reverse).
  • 11-14-2012
    eggdog
    You can access it just past the first gate. Look to the left and you will see the trail and the bridge.
  • 11-15-2012
    richccc
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by GIANTkiller View Post
    543 lot>543>Nice Kitty (as mentioned, access off 543 to the south, but easy to miss as it is not marked. there is a temporary bridge down from a couple big rocks on south side of 543 - if you aren't looking down towards the river a bit past the gate, you'll miss it. Also as mentioned, better up than down).>Buff Burn>CT>Shinglemill(Morrison if ya want))>543>Lower Sandy>543>543 lot.
    Not sure on mileage, but that wouldn't be too big. Nice Kitty is a 4 mile climb to Buffalo Burn (not CT), but a nice grind - not difficult.
    Nice Kitty would not help you get the full Sandy experience any easier, as it is south off 543 rather than north (as mentioned by the infamous brettf).
    NK goes from 543 to Buff Burn. Not to CT or Scraggy TH.

    Edit - Sorry - should read all responses 1st. This looks pretty much like Devildog's route (in reverse).

    So wait nice kitty doesn't connect to the scraggy TH or CO trail, then i guess there are 2 new trails at buffalo creek.:confused:
  • 11-15-2012
    SkaredShtles
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by richccc View Post
    So wait nice kitty doesn't connect to the scraggy TH or CO trail, then i guess there are 2 new trails at buffalo creek.:confused:

    Buffalo Burn has been around for quite awhile now - it is a trail that goes from the Scraggy Lot -> the "lower" portion of the CT near the highway crossing north of the Scraggy lot.
  • 11-15-2012
    GIANTkiller
    NK connects into Buffalo Burn. Buffalo Burn is kinda new, but not too new, and it connects into CT on both ends. CT goes through Scraggy lot.
    Where NK hits BB, you are very close to CT and the lot.
  • 11-15-2012
    kgm
    How quickly does Buff dry out? Rideable today? I'm new to the area...
  • 11-15-2012
    SkaredShtles
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kgm View Post
    How quickly does Buff dry out? Rideable today? I'm new to the area...

    I've always found Buff Crik to be rideable even when it was actually raining. The decomposed granite drains extremely well and other than a few areas the mud threat is minimal...
  • 11-15-2012
    kgm
    Good to hear!
  • 11-15-2012
    richccc
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SkaredShtles View Post
    Buffalo Burn has been around for quite awhile now - it is a trail that goes from the Scraggy Lot -> the "lower" portion of the CT near the highway crossing north of the Scraggy lot.

    OK thanks, kinda what i thought
  • 11-15-2012
    danaco
    Thanks everyone for the great info, much appreiciated !
  • 11-18-2012
    Grizzattack
    Buff Creek is dry, right?
  • 11-18-2012
    westwood
    It was perfect yesterday.
  • 11-18-2012
    richccc
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by westwood View Post
    It was perfect yesterday.

    Yes perfect is the word, get out and enjoy,I'm sure this great weather won't last. And construction at nice kitty entrance so easy to find.
  • 11-18-2012
    Grizzattack
    Thanks I figured so, will make it a point to get up there for the holiday.
  • 11-20-2012
    inkaholic
    Just to let you all know, construction of the bridge is in progress. I think the trail is still open during construction just be careful when you are at the bottom near the work area.

    Ink
  • 11-20-2012
    Captain AmerrickA
    DO NOT CLIMB QUEER KITTY. Worst climb in BC.
  • 11-20-2012
    69erEverything
    Ha! I think it is great to finally have a harder climb at BC. Well, other than climbing blackjack which i saw a guy doing once
  • 11-20-2012
    steadyflow
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by 69erEverything View Post
    Ha! I think it is great to finally have a harder climb at BC. Well, other than climbing blackjack which i saw a guy doing once

    Ever climb buck gulch? Kitty grinds at the start but I think the climbing from the pine side is harder still.
  • 11-20-2012
    richccc
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Captain AmerrickA View Post
    DO NOT CLIMB QUEER KITTY. Worst climb in BC.

    What? Your kidding
  • 11-21-2012
    Devildog1775
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Captain AmerrickA View Post
    DO NOT CLIMB QUEER KITTY. Worst climb in BC.

    Buloshi, Buck Gulch is THE WORST out there. It's just relentless, but at least going down Skipper is pretty fun.

    Kitty is steep and a grunt at the start, but once your through the tree's into the burn area it's pretty gradual and tame. This is coming from a 32x21 SS'er. Hell at least this will take you to the CT.
  • 11-21-2012
    zrm
    I went to BC today. The parking lot at the 543 TH was pretty much full. I rode 543>Gashouse>Redskin>CT>Buff Burn>Nice Kitty. No real snow anywhere. I kept thinking "this is late November??" :eekster:

    It was my first time on Nice Kitty. The trail has a little bit of everything except really difficult technical. A bit more curvaceous than the typical BC trail. There aren't too many places to really get into a big gear and haul a$$ like you can do on a lot of other BC trails. This will probably keep the trail from getting too chewed up with brake bumps.

    Since I rode down rather than up, it's hard for me to say exactly what kind of climb I think it is. Other than the mile - mile and a half closest to the creek, I'd say it's a fairly easy, typical BC climb. A few of the little rock drops on the descent are probably fairly tough climbing moves. My impression is Buck Gulch would for sure be a harder climb.

    Overall a nice addition to the BC trail system. :)
  • 11-26-2012
    Captain AmerrickA
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by zrm View Post
    "this is late November??"

    Two years ago I remember I went for a ride on Christmas Eve and it was 75 degrees and dry outside down here in BC.. So nice!
  • 11-26-2012
    Grizzattack
    I have ridden Sweet Kitty up and down now and I think its a better climb than downhill, IMO. Its a harsh warm-up but puts a rider in the perfect spot to ride various configurations of trails and end back at your car on a downhill, which is the way I think most prefer.

    Note: as of 11/24 Construction on the bridge was in progress but the temporary bridge is there. Btw, whats wrong with the temporary bridge? It seems completely adequate. The amount of earth and trees being moved around makes it seem that the bridge that is being constructed is bigger than needed, but I have not seen the approved plan. Finally the conditions at BC are as dry as they get. Plenty of sandy spots, but nothing unusual.
  • 11-26-2012
    zrm
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Grizzattack View Post
    Btw, whats wrong with the temporary bridge? It seems completely adequate. The amount of earth and trees being moved around makes it seem that the bridge that is being constructed is bigger than needed, l.

    Looks like the bridge is being built to last. How long do you think that temporary bridge would last during typical high water, much less a flash flood?
  • 11-26-2012
    Grizzattack
    I dont know, assuming with all the dirt that is being moved the new bridge is going to be much larger than the temp bridge. There are a number of existing small bridges up and downstream that access private land that remind me of the temporary bridge's dimensions, but I have not looked at them with this point of view.
  • 11-26-2012
    zrm
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Grizzattack View Post
    I dont know, assuming with all the dirt that is being moved the new bridge is going to be much larger than the temp bridge. There are a number of existing small bridges up and downstream that access private land that remind me of the temporary bridge's dimensions, but I have not looked at them with this point of view.

    Maybe I haven't paid that much attention to them, but most of the bridges across the creek are for access to the private property or old left overs from the days when there were campgrounds off the road and designed to support cars and trucks, pretty burly. The only one that I can think of that is a small, low foot bridge is at that really neat property that's on the west end of the road but like I said, I haven't paid that close attention and maybe I've missed a bridge or two.

    Regardless, in the long run, I think we'll all be happy that they're overbuilding it now rather than groups like COMBA having to organize volunteer crews to replace less substantial structures every 6 or 7 years or so.
  • 11-26-2012
    Grizzattack
    Yeah, I think you and I are thinking of the same foot bridge bridge very close to the 543 lot, I believe it is pretty new. Anyway, the new bridge will be great and Buffalo Creek is great, its been a lot of fun to watch it evolve and to ride there over the years... The area has a very unique story and a bright future.
  • 11-26-2012
    69erEverything
    Bridge freeboard standards have changed for one. Post-fire bulked discharges may be another factor. Both those conditions might be why the bridge is higher and wider than expected. It is in Pike National Forest so the USFS would be the reviewing agency in that case. Those abutments are not typical USFS design so someone special requested those concrete blocks.

    Looks well done and excited to see final construction.
  • 11-27-2012
    danaco
    Eight of us did a great night ride last Saturday starting from 543 lot to Nice Kitty (very cool new trail) buffalo Burn, CT, Shinglemill, lower last section of Sandy to lot. 14 miles, about 1500 ft climbing.

    First time night ride at BC, a nice change from GM. Looking forward to more of it.
  • 11-27-2012
    speedier racer
    Incorporated Nice Kitty in Sundays ride and climbed it off the start. While you don't get much of a warmup as if you took 543 to Shinglemill, I like the trail and commend all who worked on it. I will probably ride it quite often.