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    Broomfield?

    My wife and I were looking at the town of Broomfield. It seems pretty close to Denver for commuting purposes, but how about trails? We both ride alot. Is the neighborhood ok? I did a search, but couldn't find any real opinions about the town. Thanks in advance!
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    Quote Originally Posted by santaheckler
    My wife and I were looking at the town of Broomfield. It seems pretty close to Denver for commuting purposes, but how about trails? We both ride alot. Is the neighborhood ok? I did a search, but couldn't find any real opinions about the town. Thanks in advance!
    Broomfield = yuppie-ville

    But you're 15-30 mins from some of the best riding in Colorado. Your call
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    You would most likely be driving to Golden to ride from Broomfield. If you really like to ride alot and be close to Denver look into Golden.....you can ride right from town.

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    nederland, holmes

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    I live in Lafayette just north of the Northwest Parkway.

    It depends where you would live in Broomfield, but my husband and I take the Coal Creek trail out to the Marshall Mesa system to ride. When we have more time, we ride into Rattlesnake Gulch in Eldorado State Park to add difficulty and milage.

    Trails like White Ranch and Walker Ranch aren't too far, and we will go up to Hall Ranch in Lyons fairly often.

    When we want something quick, there is the Catherine Holmburg open space area that has a system of gravel bike path type things. I created an hour and a half loop by linking trails in that system with the Rock Creek/Coal Creek trails.

    We both work toward Denver, I am in Thornton and my husband takes the bus from the Sheridan Park and Ride to go into downtown Denver. Overall, it seems to have been a good location for us. Good luck,

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    You'll drive an extra 10-15 minutes to get to the trails, but for what you get in terms of housing (compared to Golden), its worth it.

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    If you are working in Denver, have you considered Golden? I know it might be pricey, but Broomfield is isolated and if you want to be close to trails, you are too far east to make it easy.

    I'd rather live in Lakewood for trails access than Broomfield. Or Arvada.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Screamin
    Broomfield = yuppie-ville

    But you're 15-30 mins from some of the best riding in Colorado. Your call
    My wife says you make yuppie-ville sound like a BAD thing...j/k

    Thanks for the insight everyone, it really helps. It does seem like a good alternative due to house prices, especially to get us started for the first couple years. We don't mind driving 20-30 min to the goods, atleast at first, until we get more settled into the area. Then we may just move closer to an area/town we really love.
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    You might think about the W/SW side of Littleton or Lakewood. I know there is some pretty affordable housing out that way and the access to trails is quite good. Access to downtown is pretty good if you use the light rail.

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    We like the smaller town feel, so Golden would be cool. But at first we kinda want to keep our house price low. Gotta see how the job scene works out. We aren't the type to work more than 40hrs a week just to keep up with the Jones' nice house...cuts into our riding and beer time too much! But we're not bums either (atleast not that I know of).
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    Quote Originally Posted by santaheckler
    We like the smaller town feel, so Golden would be cool. But at first we kinda want to keep our house price low. Gotta see how the job scene works out. We aren't the type to work more than 40hrs a week just to keep up with the Jones' nice house...cuts into our riding and beer time too much! But we're not bums either (atleast not that I know of).
    Can understand wanting to keep the house price low, but one thing to keep in mind is prices in Golden continue to rise; therefore, the longer you wait the more you will pay. Plus many areas of the Front Range are not doing so well right now....so you may get something cheeper, but you may not see much appreciation. I would suggest renting for a while and figuring out where you want to live, the market here isn't good right now and I know people who have seen value declines over the past year....just be careful cheeper is not always better.

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    I agree 100% location is everything. I'm pretty sure Broomfield or any other place we pick may not be a permanent residence. I'd like to avoid renting, but find a good house or townhouse with a good location to get us started for the first couple years. A location that will be good for selling when the time comes. By then, I figure we'll know exactly where we want to live for the long run. We are looking strongly toward Golden for sure. But Broomfield looked (on paper) like a decent alternative until we can make a long term decision based on experience. Am I too far off with that? Thanks again for replies!
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    why buy a place and sell it when you decide where you really want to live. Just rent for a couple of months and get it sorted. Also why not work in boulder and live somewhere closer to the mountains if you're into mnt biking. Denver isn't all that.

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    Or live in the foothills, and take the various RTD regional lines into downtown or the tech center for work.
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    To differentiate riders by the type of surface frequented is IMO the height of foolishness.

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    I figure if we bought something in the actual foothills (besides Golden of course=good property values) and realized we wanted to move, it may be more difficult to sell than if we lived in a more suburban location. I would imagine most people (non mt. bikers) prefer living in suburbs where there's conveniences around every corner. This would make a residence in such a location a little easier to sell so we can make a more permanent move after we have some real life experience (i.e. what trails/ areas we enjoy most, job location, friends, etc.) When we sell our home here in Indiana we should have around $200k in cash, so I don't see an advantage to renting for us, unless we knew we could make a long term decision in a few months, which is unlikely. It will most likley take a summer or two of riding...maybe we'll just try to find a cheap place in Golden to start? It doesn't look like much in the $200k price range though...
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    accept when your house in the 'burbs is like all the other hundreds of houses for sale in the subdivision and the convenience seeking 'burbanites can't decide which cookie cutter to buy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nOOby
    accept when your house in the 'burbs is like all the other hundreds of houses for sale in the subdivision and the convenience seeking 'burbanites can't decide which cookie cutter to buy.
    + one there...don't buy in Broomfield unless you want to drive to every trail, want the house your neighbors have and...well I would just not buy there. Living there can make MTBing tuff.
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    Good points. Driving to every trail is the norm for us so we would be spoiled for sure not to have to load up the truck...

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    Quote Originally Posted by santaheckler
    Good points. Driving to every trail is the norm for us so we would be spoiled for sure not to have to load up the truck...

    Nice avatar MiSSionary...
    Dude?!...Or um santaheckler...YOURS IS BETTER THAN MINE!!
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    what do your wives think of the avatars.. or are those your wives, lol

    anywho, I would recommend living near one good riding area, then figuring out your favorite and moving there. You can always sell the place to another MTB'r.

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    Broomfield +

    I have the low-down on Broomfield. I have lived here for 2 years. (136th and Lowell) Yes, there are many yuppies. I am one of them. Aren't most of us here on the board? I would prefer to live near respectable neighbors and not the inner city folk. I have left my garage open over night (accidentally - I try not to make it a habit) on several occasions and my bikes have been safe. Here is the scoop.
    + low/ no traffic in town
    + excellent (cement) bike paths for commuting, bike trailer for kids, ect....
    + good government
    + good schools
    + cost of housing
    + respectful people
    - half hour drive from door to trailhead (Dakota, Apex)
    - hour drive to others (Magnolia, Walker) 1.5 to Keystone
    +/- 15 &25 minutes to Lake Arbor and Gunbarrel dirt jumps
    -/+ houses do all look the same but I mostly only look at mine
    + great place to raise a family
    + parking is never an issue (shopping, neighborhood, DMV, ect..)

    If mtb is your main priority, Broomfield may not be the best bet because of the time to get to and from the trailhead. However, you can afford a bigger yard to accommodate a pump track.

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    I've lived in BF for 15 years, has all the amenities of a large city w/the feel of a smaller town. I think its a great place to live. In town the big dry creek trail can take you from BF to Standley lake, about 20 miles roundtrip, mostly concrete trail w/pea gravel mixed in and is a good training ride, Coal Creek trail is about 10 minutes away. I can make it to Nederland, White Ranch, Centennial Cone, Green Mountain in 45 minutes so not a big deal. Would love to live in Nederland but too far of a commute to Denver for my work. Golden and Boulder are way expensive and traffic in Boulder sucks, especially w/school in session.

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    Seriously - if you're into mt biking there are tons of reasonable options within 10 minutes of lots of trails. Broomfield would not be one of those options.

    And if you like skiing, it becomes even more advantageous to live in Golden, west Lakewood, Morrison, west/SW Littleton...

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    Quote Originally Posted by santaheckler
    I agree 100% location is everything. I'm pretty sure Broomfield or any other place we pick may not be a permanent residence. I'd like to avoid renting, but find a good house or townhouse with a good location to get us started for the first couple years. A location that will be good for selling when the time comes. By then, I figure we'll know exactly where we want to live for the long run. We are looking strongly toward Golden for sure. But Broomfield looked (on paper) like a decent alternative until we can make a long term decision based on experience. Am I too far off with that? Thanks again for replies!
    Broomfield is where most of the people that work in Boulder or Downtown Denver usually live, due to price. That said, its pretty much suburban hell (no character), but will have good neighborhoods.

    Golden will give you the small town feel you want with a great commute to Denver, however, a bit pricey.

    Arvada may not be a bad pick for you. Easy Downtown Access and not too far out from the trails. Adjacent to Broomfield. No character, but more suited for those that play.

    Lakewood, and Littleton are just more of the same, take your pick. Littleton is quite a bit older, and not as easy to access Downtown, but not impossible. Its a straight shot from Lakewood... again, Lakewood is and older suburb.

    Come out, drive around. You'll figure it out pretty quickly. Just stay off I-25.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Screamin
    Broomfield = yuppie-ville

    But you're 15-30 mins from some of the best riding in Colorado. Your call
    Broomfield is more of a workin' town.... I don't consider most of the Broomfield population Yuppies. Boulder? Definitely tons of hippie-yuppies (worst kind), Denver, Englewood... Yuppie city.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Intenserider2
    I have the low-down on Broomfield. I have lived here for 2 years. (136th and Lowell) Yes, there are many yuppies. I am one of them. Aren't most of us here on the board?
    YUP. I know a few dave's on this board that aren't yuppies, perhaps a few students. Otherwise, you've hit the nail on the head!

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    Quote Originally Posted by IndecentExposure
    YUP. I know a few dave's on this board that aren't yuppies, perhaps a few students. Otherwise, you've hit the nail on the head!
    Dude - yuppie stands for Young Urban Professional. You are a professional, yes... but...

    Maybe a MASP?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nOOby
    what do your wives think of the avatars.. or are those your wives, lol

    anywho, I would recommend living near one good riding area, then figuring out your favorite and moving there. You can always sell the place to another MTB'r.
    If that was my wife I wouldn't have any energy left to ride a bike...
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    Quote Originally Posted by santaheckler
    If that was my wife I wouldn't have any energy left to ride a bike...
    Nice.

    You really better make sure your wife never reads this forum.

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    Oh by the way, we did drive around the area to get a feel for the different towns. Didn't go to BF. We saw Denver, Golden, Evergreen, Arvada, Littleton, lakewood, Lyons, Boulder, Morrison, Nederland, and a couple others. We hit Keystone for a little DH action (my wife's first time on a DH bike). Some towns were easy to get a feel for by driving around, others weren't. I knew it would be kinda iffy to do it, but yeah, we saw some really strange hippie-cult people in Boulder...I'm too old for that crap. We liked Golden alot...just gotta see if we can afford it first, so I'm thinking of plan B towns, so to speak. Thanks for all the feedback! All the info on BF helps a bunch. It looks like the major disadvantage is the drive to the trails. But where we live now it is 30 min. minimum to the half a@@ singletrack you imagine you'd find in INDIANA! Heck, we have to drive 45min to 2 hrs! for anything above average...so we'll be in heaven for sure. So who wants to ride? We'll buy the first rounds after!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by santaheckler
    Oh by the way, we did drive around the area to get a feel for the different towns. Didn't go to BF. We saw Denver, Golden, Evergreen, Arvada, Littleton, lakewood, Lyons, Boulder, Morrison, Nederland, and a couple others. We hit Keystone for a little DH action (my wife's first time on a DH bike). Some towns were easy to get a feel for by driving around, others weren't. I knew it would be kinda iffy to do it, but yeah, we saw some really strange hippie-cult people in Boulder...I'm too old for that crap. We liked Golden alot...just gotta see if we can afford it first, so I'm thinking of plan B towns, so to speak. Thanks for all the feedback! All the info on BF helps a bunch. It looks like the major disadvantage is the drive to the trails. But where we live now it is 30 min. minimum to the half a@@ singletrack you imagine you'd find in INDIANA! Heck, we have to drive 45min to 2 hrs! for anything above average...so we'll be in heaven for sure. So who wants to ride? We'll buy the first rounds after!!!
    Nice and good luck; there are affordable rentals in Golden. We rented for a year and then started looking at places to buy and bought a townhome to start, as that was the only thing in our price range for downtown Golden. It is expensive, but there are options. North of town up 93 a couple miles are homes that are much more affordable and White Ranch is right there. If you want to be in walking distance of downtown Golden then you will pay much more. It is a really nice place to live.

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    dare I say gilpin county?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Intenserider2
    Here is the scoop.
    + low/ no traffic in town
    + excellent (cement) bike paths for commuting, bike trailer for kids, ect....
    + good government
    + good schools
    + cost of housing
    + respectful people
    - half hour drive from door to trailhead (Dakota, Apex)
    - hour drive to others (Magnolia, Walker) 1.5 to Keystone
    +/- 15 &25 minutes to Lake Arbor and Gunbarrel dirt jumps
    -/+ houses do all look the same but I mostly only look at mine
    + great place to raise a family
    + parking is never an issue (shopping, neighborhood, DMV, ect..)
    You forgot:
    + you don't need landscaping because the Little Tykes playhouse out back will take up your entire 10 square feet you call a yard.
    + you really get to know your neighbors given that your houses are close enough together to hear them pee when the windows are open.
    + if you don't like your house you can rebuild it in 5 years once the foundation gets done twisting itself into a new layout.
    + your kids will get to go school in those fancy new trailers they dropped out back of the $5 billion dollar school that they somehow managed to undersize when the built it just 3 years ago.
    + if you're bored for conversation you can just cruise 3 mph above the limit on any shopping frontage road and 3 officers will be happy to provide you with company; but don't try this on actual neighborhood roads, you can do 50mph and mow down at least 10 kids before they'll pay attention to those.
    + you don't have to go through the painful process of paint color selection b/c the homeowners' association will have that all taken care of for you.
    + you can get to know all your city officials when you go through the process of applying for a permit to water your front lawn.

    Man, the 'burb really do rock.

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    Well, y'all convinced me I shouldn't be livin in Broomfield. I just quit my position at the hospital as a neurosurgeon, bought a shack in Nederland and will start at the Pioneer bar as a busboy so I can be closer to the "track". My wife's not too happy but she'll get over it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brokefork
    Well, y'all convinced me I shouldn't be livin in Broomfield. I just quit my position at the hospital as a neurosurgeon, bought a shack in Nederland and will start at the Pioneer bar as a busboy so I can be closer to the "track". My wife's not too happy but she'll get over it.
    Hey.. it depends on where you'll be working. If you can land a gig in Boulder then Ned is an easy commute. I do it a couple times a week and it typically takes about 30 min to the office depending on which ninny you get stuck behind coming down. In any event, I'd rather commute Canyon any day over sucking down exhaust on 36 or I-25. We previously had a house in Rock Creek just over from Broomfield. Not a bad place to live, I just couldn't shake the feeling that we were stuck in The Truman Show.

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    I was going to suggest Rock Creek/ Superior. You gotta watch out for sinking houses around there, though. The big plus is that you really CAN ride to some trails around the Mesa from Superior and there are lots of paved paths everywhere around there. The hills are big enough to offer a good fitness challenge as well. Superior and Louisville are the closest places to Boulder, which is the jumping off point for an incredible number of trails. The other thing is that Boulder County real estate is in far better shape than anywhere else in the metro. Broomfield county (it's the same as the city) is also okay. I've lived in west Broomfield/Superior, now Boulder and am moving out to Erie (gotta drive to trails from there, but housing prices are decent.) Erie/Lafayette and Eastern Broomfield are a little further out from the trails, but you get more house for your money. The other thing about Broomfield is that there are a lot of jobs there, so less time commuting=more time riding. (or ride to work.) I know a good real estate agent, so pm me if you are interested. I don't know much about Golden. It intrigues me in that it's the closest metro city to the Divide, but I'm not crazy about the town itself--sorta blue-collar like old Broomfield. Lots of new stuff popping up along 93, though. If you want to live in the mountains, you might consider Evergreen. I prefer the plains though--more snow-free biking days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brokefork
    Well, y'all convinced me I shouldn't be livin in Broomfield. I just quit my position at the hospital as a neurosurgeon, bought a shack in Nederland and will start at the Pioneer bar as a busboy so I can be closer to the "track". My wife's not too happy but she'll get over it.

    that's the spirit! welcome to the neighborhood and if it doesn't work out with the wife, there plenty of fine ladies around here(if you're ale to see past the dreadlock armpit hair) j/k .

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    All very good points made. The info is invaluable in a decision like this. We'll be looking really hard at Golden. Sometimes ya just gotta MAKE it happen eh? We love to ski/board in winter, DH/FR, XC, kayak, etc. the rest of the year so it makes alot of sense to be as close as possible to the shizz. We're looking to make a move around fall of next year or so. Thanks again!
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    Quote Originally Posted by santaheckler
    If that was my wife I wouldn't have any energy left to ride a bike...
    Ha ha ha...+ one!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by santaheckler
    All very good points made. The info is invaluable in a decision like this. We'll be looking really hard at Golden. Sometimes ya just gotta MAKE it happen eh? We love to ski/board in winter, DH/FR, XC, kayak, etc. the rest of the year so it makes alot of sense to be as close as possible to the shizz. We're looking to make a move around fall of next year or so. Thanks again!
    Well I do have to say for all activities listed I just can't express how much better you'd be in Lakewood/Golden. I don't want to sound rude to those who do live in BF but I have trail a mile from my door (and by trail I don't mean a non paved path through town)...Maybe BF is a 30 minute drive to the trail but if you live out west everything is less than 30 minutes by bike!
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    Quote Originally Posted by santaheckler
    I agree 100% location is everything. I'm pretty sure Broomfield or any other place we pick may not be a permanent residence. I'd like to avoid renting, but find a good house or townhouse with a good location to get us started for the first couple years. A location that will be good for selling when the time comes. By then, I figure we'll know exactly where we want to live for the long run. We are looking strongly toward Golden for sure. But Broomfield looked (on paper) like a decent alternative until we can make a long term decision based on experience. Am I too far off with that? Thanks again for replies!
    anywhere that far from the foothills is you will have to drive to a trailhead. I live in Westminster and it's an automatic 30-45 minute drive to a trail. There's no way I would ride to a trailhead. So for me that's just the way it is. If that doesn't bother you (having to drive to a trailhead which to me is a normal experience) then just focus on housing prices/availability/etc. If you just HAVE to ride from your house, Golden, far west Arvada/Littleton are where to focus. I'd think you'd have to drive to a trailhead even in Boulder unless you like some road miles. From Golden you can ride to White Ranch/Apex/Chimney Gulch/MW/DR. Sorry if all this has been said, I just flew in from out of town, thought I'd give my .02.
    So it seems to me to be, this thing that I think I see.

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    Riding is my hobbie, but, my kids are my life. Instead of spending commute time, I spend it helping them get ready for school and ride my bike to work. I would prefer to live in Golden or Ned, but can't afford to do so at this point in my yuppie life. Dang, you must have been snipped in the ass living by Flatirons Crossing.

    Quote Originally Posted by thump
    You forgot:
    + you don't need landscaping because the Little Tykes playhouse out back will take up your entire 10 square feet you call a yard.
    + you really get to know your neighbors given that your houses are close enough together to hear them pee when the windows are open.
    + if you don't like your house you can rebuild it in 5 years once the foundation gets done twisting itself into a new layout.
    + your kids will get to go school in those fancy new trailers they dropped out back of the $5 billion dollar school that they somehow managed to undersize when the built it just 3 years ago.
    + if you're bored for conversation you can just cruise 3 mph above the limit on any shopping frontage road and 3 officers will be happy to provide you with company; but don't try this on actual neighborhood roads, you can do 50mph and mow down at least 10 kids before they'll pay attention to those.
    + you don't have to go through the painful process of paint color selection b/c the homeowners' association will have that all taken care of for you.
    + you can get to know all your city officials when you go through the process of applying for a permit to water your front lawn.

    Man, the 'burb really do rock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Intenserider2
    Riding is my hobbie, but, my kids are my life. Instead of spending commute time, I spend it helping them get ready for school and ride my bike to work. I would prefer to live in Golden or Ned, but can't afford to do so at this point in my yuppie life. Dang, you must have been snipped in the ass living by Flatirons Crossing.
    Amen man.. Actually, in all fairness, we probably wouldn't have been brave enough to move out of the convenience of the 'burbs except that I picked up a job where I work from home most days. At that point, finding a home office with a view and not having to sweat the commute made it an easy choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by santaheckler
    All very good points made. The info is invaluable in a decision like this. We'll be looking really hard at Golden. Sometimes ya just gotta MAKE it happen eh? We love to ski/board in winter, DH/FR, XC, kayak, etc. the rest of the year so it makes alot of sense to be as close as possible to the shizz. We're looking to make a move around fall of next year or so. Thanks again!
    It sounds as if Golden is for you. With the 7 close parks in Golden, you can ride you bike to 5 of them. You'll have access to driving to them within a few minutes. I live at one of the neighborhoods in Golden that backs to Jeffco Open space. It is pricey, but nothing what Boulder costs. Golden also has a wonderful small town feel with many families doing the same you are.

    Commuting times:
    Golden to south Boulder: 20 minutes
    Golden to Downtown Denver: 20 Minutes
    Golden to Loveland ski area: 45 minutes. Copper 1 hour
    Golden to Keystone for DH: 1 hour
    Golden to Airport: 35 minutes

    We have Kayaking (Clear creek Kayak park), Paragliding (the big M), Rock Climbing (N table, mt. Zion and Clear Creek). All are either in, or within 1 to 10 minutes of Golden down town.

    We have 20 riders in our neighborhood, and I've been growing that list throughout Golden. There is always someone to hook up a ride with.

    Riding with families? Many of us go on Family mt bike rides (Fruita, Moab, Buff creek, etc.) where there is child care swapping so the guys, gals or couples can get out for a nice ride.

    There's a Tuesday evening townie/beer ride, you can find some areas to FR and every now and then, see a trials rider hopping around down town Golden.

    We also have a fantastic brewery (Golden City) that has a local feel to it.

    Golden doesn't feel like the suburbs, but rather a nice mountain town without the cooler summer temps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles
    Dude - yuppie stands for Young Urban Professional. You are a professional, yes... but...

    Maybe a MASP?
    MASP=????

    Am I still considered young? Cause I don't feel like it anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IndecentExposure
    MASP=????

    Am I still considered young? Cause I don't feel like it anymore.
    Middle Aged Suburban Professional.

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    I prefer SITCOM vs. Yuppie.

    SITCOM: Single Income, Two Children, Oppressive Mortgage.
    "What Yuppies become when one parent decides to stay home and raise the children"

    Its stage 3 of SINKs, DINKs, etc.

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    Thats a new one.


    Quote Originally Posted by IndecentExposure
    I prefer SITCOM vs. Yuppie.

    SITCOM: Single Income, Two Children, Oppressive Mortgage.
    "What Yuppies become when one parent decides to stay home and raise the children"

    Its stage 3 of SINKs, DINKs, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thump
    You forgot:
    + you don't need landscaping because the Little Tykes playhouse out back will take up your entire 10 square feet you call a yard.
    + you really get to know your neighbors given that your houses are close enough together to hear them pee when the windows are open.
    + if you don't like your house you can rebuild it in 5 years once the foundation gets done twisting itself into a new layout.
    + your kids will get to go school in those fancy new trailers they dropped out back of the $5 billion dollar school that they somehow managed to undersize when the built it just 3 years ago.
    + if you're bored for conversation you can just cruise 3 mph above the limit on any shopping frontage road and 3 officers will be happy to provide you with company; but don't try this on actual neighborhood roads, you can do 50mph and mow down at least 10 kids before they'll pay attention to those.
    + you don't have to go through the painful process of paint color selection b/c the homeowners' association will have that all taken care of for you.
    + you can get to know all your city officials when you go through the process of applying for a permit to water your front lawn.

    Man, the 'burb really do rock.
    This sounds like a pretty uneducated post to me. Are you just pissed because your house in Superior split and tipped over?

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    Quote Originally Posted by smmokan
    This sounds like a pretty uneducated post to me. Are you just pissed because your house in Superior split and tipped over?
    Really? All this sarcasm was drawn from personal experience. So which part would you argue?

    And yes, I wasn't really happy when a half-million dollar home that's only 5 years old already needs a new front porch and driveway, but hey, maybe I'm just overly sensitive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thump
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    And yes, I wasn't really happy when a half-million dollar home that's only 5 years old already needs a new front porch and driveway, but hey, maybe I'm just overly sensitive.
    You bought a 5 year old house in the metro area?

    Everybody knows you should buy one at *least* 15 years old because the settling, cracking, and shifting works itself out by then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles
    You bought a 5 year old house in the metro area?

    Everybody knows you should buy one at *least* 15 years old because the settling, cracking, and shifting works itself out by then.
    SS.. where were you back then? Somehow the realtors weren't exactly pointing that out. Most of us moving from out of state are used to building codes that prevent dropping entire neighborhoods on the geological equivalent of a Slinky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thump
    SS.. where were you back then? Somehow the realtors weren't exactly pointing that out. Most of us moving from out of state are used to building codes that prevent dropping entire neighborhoods on the geological equivalent of a Slinky.
    What a sucker!!

    Hopefully your insurance or the builder helped out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thump
    SS.. where were you back then? Somehow the realtors weren't exactly pointing that out. Most of us moving from out of state are used to building codes that prevent dropping entire neighborhoods on the geological equivalent of a Slinky.

    For others who might be considering moving to the front range, here is the scoop.

    Much of the FR, especially right along the foothills, has what is known as expansive soil, or bentonite.

    The bottom line is this: when the stuff get soaked, it swells enough to crack your foundation. There are various construction techniques to mitigate this, but of course, your average corporate home builder is going to gamble that the problem won't show up until the new home warranty is gone. And if you still have the warranty, they will drag their feet and generally try to have you go away without fixing the problem.

    This is not a minor problem. I know many people who have been through hell getting this taken care of by their builders, or even worse, having to fix it themselves. One guy discovered his problem literally the day he was laid off from his job and really needed to sell his house. No one is going to buy a house with a cracking foundation, and the builder took two and a half years to finally fix the problem, during which time the market went totally south. Yes, this was also Rock Creek. To each his own, but I would NEVER buy a house in Superior after what I've seen people go through there. Much of the the area was built during the severe drought, and guess what? Now that the drought is over, the majority of the houses have foundation problems.

    The problem is not limited to residential. The Flatirons mall has several commercial spaces in the outside section that have been abandoned for this reason. Chipotle and the il Fornaio are two of those.

    Here is a pretty good overview:


    http://www.denverrealestateonline.co...ID=535876&NF=1

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles
    Everybody knows you should buy one at *least* 15 years old because the settling, cracking, and shifting works itself out by then.
    So, for those of us moving from out of state, are you serious about the 15 years thing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by slcdawg
    So, for those of us moving from out of state, are you serious about the 15 years thing?
    I personally wouldn't buy a house built after about 1990...

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    my place was built in 1963, but I'm in nederland. Not sure if that counts. foundation updated in the past 10 years

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    Are the foundation issues just on the plains (i.e. Superior, Broomfield, etc), and not in the foothills? We're moving out in the fall and hoping to buy in Golden....but we'll be looking at other areas as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nOOby
    my place was built in 1963, but I'm in nederland. Not sure if that counts. foundation updated in the past 10 years
    I've never heard of anyone having bentonite once you are in 'the mountains'. If you have a foundation problem up there, it is probably something else. Most of what you build on around Ned is rock, not clay.

    There seems to be a strip of problem soil running right along the foothills from Longmont to Louisville, Superior, Arvada, Golden other than right in town, Lakewood/Wheatridge, down to Highlands Ranch and Douglas County.

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    Damn - I saw a map once of the metro area that showed all the locations of the deposits of expansive soils... can't remember where, though.

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    thanks honkinunit, my main fear is the spring that comes out just down from my house into a little pond. And the possible skunk family thats living under the house.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slcdawg
    Are the foundation issues just on the plains (i.e. Superior, Broomfield, etc), and not in the foothills? We're moving out in the fall and hoping to buy in Golden....but we'll be looking at other areas as well.
    You should be fine in Golden; I haven't heard of any issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nOOby
    thanks honkinunit, my main fear is the spring that comes out just down from my house into a little pond. And the possible skunk family thats living under the house.
    The exterminator told me that tossing sheets of Bounce Fabric Softener into your crawlspace will get rid of skunks and similar critters. Evidentially they hate the smell. How's that for fighting fire with fire? Now if I can just get rid of the weekly bear visits..

    Based on a few of the sinkholes you see around the area, I think the only foundation concern you'll ever have up here is making sure your house didn't get put on top of one of those pressure vent shafts.

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    This is not so flattering for Broomfield: http://www.9news.com/news/top-articl...?storyid=76418

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    I've been looking at homes with a Golden address online, just to see what's what, I notice there are Golden homes with West Arvada, Gilpin Co., Nederland, and Ralston Co. schools in addition to Golden schools. Now, I don't have any kids so not concerned about the schools themselves, but rather wondering if there are any areas of Golden that I should maybe stay away from for any reason(s). I don't mind living rural, but not sure if living too deep in the mountains would be a mistake. Any thoughts about that?
    This won't hurt a bit...

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    Quote Originally Posted by thump
    The exterminator told me that tossing sheets of Bounce Fabric Softener into your crawlspace will get rid of skunks and similar critters. Evidentially they hate the smell. How's that for fighting fire with fire? Now if I can just get rid of the weekly bear visits..

    Based on a few of the sinkholes you see around the area, I think the only foundation concern you'll ever have up here is making sure your house didn't get put on top of one of those pressure vent shafts.
    hey thanks, thats much better than the other suggestion of turning on a light down there. I love the internets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by santaheckler
    I've been looking at homes with a Golden address online, just to see what's what, I notice there are Golden homes with West Arvada, Gilpin Co., Nederland, and Ralston Co. schools in addition to Golden schools. Now, I don't have any kids so not concerned about the schools themselves, but rather wondering if there are any areas of Golden that I should maybe stay away from for any reason(s). I don't mind living rural, but not sure if living too deep in the mountains would be a mistake. Any thoughts about that?
    Honestly some of gilpin county is a bit too rural for me. Just depends on your neighbors I guess. Coal creek canyon does have some deals though. Not sure if thats how it is up golden gate canyon but you could be 15-20 minutes out of golden and have some acreage and be close to epic trails. I can ride from the house to about six options that are all pretty awesome. I'm in boulder county about 20 minutes away from boulder.

    Winter could be a problem but just be prepared to adjust your cars and maybe don't buy a place with a steep driveway. The plowing on county roads in the mountains is actually better than denver in heavy snows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by santaheckler
    I've been looking at homes with a Golden address online, just to see what's what, I notice there are Golden homes with West Arvada, Gilpin Co., Nederland, and Ralston Co. schools in addition to Golden schools. Now, I don't have any kids so not concerned about the schools themselves, but rather wondering if there are any areas of Golden that I should maybe stay away from for any reason(s). I don't mind living rural, but not sure if living too deep in the mountains would be a mistake. Any thoughts about that?
    i currently live in westminster, about 5 blocks from broomfileld division line. The wife and I would love to move to Golden/lakewood. We use to rent in lakewood, its closer to everything that we do, downtown, ski and bike are both much closer. Right now to ride White Ranch, which is my favorite place on earth its 30 minutes one way, as opposed to 5-10 minutes in golden or parts of lakewood. It does get annoying doing all the driving if you ride with any frequency, the traffic isn't too bad, but just sucks having to drive so much. I also ski 30+ days a year, more like 40+ and to knock 1 hour off my round trip for biking or skiing would be huge for me. It just isn't feasible with the current market for us to sell and move to an more expensive area, like golden/lakewood. But coming in with cash in hand, take some sound advice and live as close as you can afford. There are some good buys in Lakewood area, my wife is always looking.

    There are some houses listed as "golden" that aren't golden proper, they are 10 minutes or more west of golden, in the hills outside golden. Those houses are considerably cheaper than the houses located near the main highways. You will get more house for your money further north in broomfield, but might be a better quality of life being closer to the action if that is your thing.

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    Would agree with everything dirtyrider said....Golden "proper" is where it gets expensive; basically if you are in walking distance to downtown you will pay much more. That being said this is also were the appreciation is. We streched quite a bit to get in where we are, but a year and half later things have smoothed out for us (more income) and we have seen a $20K increase in value over that time and this is for a condo/townhome.

    We really wanted to be in walking distance to everything and so far things have worked out. I talk about Golden a lot on this board, but we really love living here. Last night went for a ride after work saw a family of Elk while looking down towards Denver and you could see the lights on at nvesco for the Broncos game, yet Golden feels like a mountain town. Really can't beat it.

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    also pay attention to the 'time on the market' of any area in terms of real estate. I see a lot of for sale signs up coal creek. Seems to be a lot of inventory not moving up there. Good for buyers as you can get good deals but bad if you want to sell in a down market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles
    This is not so flattering for Broomfield: http://www.9news.com/news/top-articl...?storyid=76418
    OMG! Some suburbanite kid chanting 'white power' is really not news worthy. What about all the gang activity in the Denver public schools?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Intenserider2
    OMG! What about all the gang activity in the Denver public schools?
    That's not news. That's going on all the time.

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    Water is the cause of the swelling soils...make sure any home you purchase has a perimeter drain and the first 10' from the house should drain away at a 10% grade. This is the standard in any front range soils report. If you are buying a house and the seller does not have a soils report, get one for your own protection.

    I'm a civil engineer and we get several calls a year from homeowners who have cracked foundations from drainage problems. Keep the water draininge away from your house and you won't have any problems.
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    Bingo..

    I think part of the problem is that in some subdivisions there isn't even 20 feet between the houses to have 10 feet of drainage away from each house. Honestly zutmon, as a civil engineer, when the houses are crammed that close together, how do you get the water to drain properly?

    Quote Originally Posted by zutmon
    Water is the cause of the swelling soils...make sure any home you purchase has a perimeter drain and the first 10' from the house should drain away at a 10% grade. This is the standard in any front range soils report. If you are buying a house and the seller does not have a soils report, get one for your own protection.

    I'm a civil engineer and we get several calls a year from homeowners who have cracked foundations from drainage problems. Keep the water draininge away from your house and you won't have any problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IndecentExposure
    Lakewood, and Littleton are just more of the same, take your pick. Littleton is quite a bit older, and not as easy to access Downtown, but not impossible. Its a straight shot from Lakewood... again, Lakewood is and older suburb.

    Come out, drive around. You'll figure it out pretty quickly. Just stay off I-25.
    Don't forget, they are building a huge new development at the base of Green Mountain in Lakewood. There are three builders and several styles of homes. There are even lofts and townhomes, from what i have been told. It might be an affordable solution and one that will increase in value over a home in Lakewood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schnauzers
    Don't forget, they are building a huge new development at the base of Green Mountain in Lakewood. There are three builders and several styles of homes. There are even lofts and townhomes, from what i have been told. It might be an affordable solution and one that will increase in value over a home in Lakewood.
    Is this the one over on the Morrison side of Green Mountain?

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    Quote Originally Posted by santaheckler
    I've been looking at homes with a Golden address online, just to see what's what, I notice there are Golden homes with West Arvada, Gilpin Co., Nederland, and Ralston Co. schools in addition to Golden schools. Now, I don't have any kids so not concerned about the schools themselves, but rather wondering if there are any areas of Golden that I should maybe stay away from for any reason(s). I don't mind living rural, but not sure if living too deep in the mountains would be a mistake. Any thoughts about that?
    The zip for Golden proper is 80401. 80403 also has a Golden address, but that zip covers a huge swath from north Golden (Fairmount), Golden Gate, Gilpin, Coal Creek and all the way up almost to Nederland.

    Living in the Front Range hills is an acquired taste. There are areas that are very suburban (Evergreen/Conifer), and areas that are very rural (just about everywhere else). The main differences are fewer services, a long drive to the store, and lots more snow. Lots and lots more snow. Even if you live right off the main highway, 4WD is required unless you like chaining up. The upsides are that you have room to breathe, taxes are lower, and you might be closer to outdoor opportunities, depending on where you end up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles
    Is this the one over on the Morrison side of Green Mountain?
    That would be the one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by honkinunit
    I think part of the problem is that in some subdivisions there isn't even 20 feet between the houses to have 10 feet of drainage away from each house. Honestly zutmon, as a civil engineer, when the houses are crammed that close together, how do you get the water to drain properly?
    If the housing development is designed properly there should be swales that drain at a minimum of 2% (industry standard for grass or lawn type surface) towards the street or the back of the house (alley, etc). Just make sure that the stormwater drains away from the house and make sure that all the swales drain properly also.

    If you have those big metal landscape dividers in your yard water can't get past those and may trap water close to your house. Also make sure your neighbors aren't draining their stormwater onto your property.
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    If you don't mind a condo, there are a couple of brand new lofts right on top of the Golden bike shop. They are actually reasonable at $275,000 compared to the new ones they are building just down the street across from Foss. Those are now at $600,000 ! Figure it out, the $275K ones can only go up.


    Quote Originally Posted by steadyflow
    Would agree with everything dirtyrider said....Golden "proper" is where it gets expensive; basically if you are in walking distance to downtown you will pay much more. That being said this is also were the appreciation is. We streched quite a bit to get in where we are, but a year and half later things have smoothed out for us (more income) and we have seen a $20K increase in value over that time and this is for a condo/townhome.

    We really wanted to be in walking distance to everything and so far things have worked out. I talk about Golden a lot on this board, but we really love living here. Last night went for a ride after work saw a family of Elk while looking down towards Denver and you could see the lights on at nvesco for the Broncos game, yet Golden feels like a mountain town. Really can't beat it.

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    Or you could move to the Springs and get a 60 year old house thats sinking into an old mine shaft like the homes up by UCCS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zutmon
    If the housing development is designed properly there should be swales that drain at a minimum of 2% (industry standard for grass or lawn type surface) towards the street or the back of the house (alley, etc). Just make sure that the stormwater drains away from the house and make sure that all the swales drain properly also.

    If you have those big metal landscape dividers in your yard water can't get past those and may trap water close to your house. Also make sure your neighbors aren't draining their stormwater onto your property.
    I'm not going to argue with the engineer, but I don't think even proper drainage is going to help Rock Creek folks much. Our house was on a hill with good drainage and I made sure the gutter runoffs stayed in good shape. It appears the bentonite runs in veins through the neighborhood to the point you can almost follow the concrete destruction. Couple this with the dime-store construction quality they put into newer homes and it's just ugly.

    The plus side is for people buying into the neighborhood now is that it's fairly apparent where the problems are so you know what you're getting into.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thump
    I'm not going to argue with the engineer, but I don't think even proper drainage is going to help Rock Creek folks much. Our house was on a hill with good drainage and I made sure the gutter runoffs stayed in good shape. It appears the bentonite runs in veins through the neighborhood to the point you can almost follow the concrete destruction. Couple this with the dime-store construction quality they put into newer homes and it's just ugly.

    The plus side is for people buying into the neighborhood now is that it's fairly apparent where the problems are so you know what you're getting into.
    Sure its not a fix all...underground that bentonite acts as a clay liner which water can't get past...the water then runs on the bentonite and swells the soil...hence rising and cracking foundations, roads, and whatever else gets in the way.

    But for most... with all the irrigation going on in the summer months if you don't have proper drainage away from your house you are adding to the your own house's destruction, eh?? Let's face it if you irrigate your lawn and flower bed everyday...and that water gets around the foundation what's gonna happen??

    Honestly we got a call this week from a homeowner who just built a house a year ago in Boulder and it looks like they cut into the bentonite. Apparently the groundwater flows constantly into their crawlspace. Well guess what you ain't gonna stop the water but as long as you get that water away from the foundation...you won't have as many problems...still will have some cracking I'm sure.
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    Broomfield? Not meaning to dis Broomfield, but man, I'd look at Arvada on the west side before I'd live in Broomfield. Around here, $2-300,000 will get you a pretty descent place in most cases. Cruise out west on your bicycle to 119 on the Ralston Creek Greenway to White Ranch Park and climb the infamous Belcher Hill amongst others before dinner. Take the same greenway east to access other greenways and you'll find yourself downtown or circumventing the whole friggin city of Denver including as far as Chatfield Reservoir on the southwest side of town. Being relatively close to 119 gives me the opportunity to get up in the hills real quick and not just I-70 going west, but also Clear Creek, Golden Gate, Coal Creek, Boulder and points north all along the foothills where the real stuff is. We're getting ready for the RTD rail system to come to town hopefully in the near future too. I agree, that the market is in a flip flop, which can make one apprehensive about buying anywhere along the Front Range. Sure, one could always sell in the hopes of finding something better, but to me, the aforementioned give me plenty of reasons to stay where I'm at!

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    Man, this thread has been awesome, thanks! It has given us alot to think about. We will be targeting Golden (not sure what areas we can afford) and west Arvada/Lakewood (closest to trail access we can get). The lofts above Golden bike shop sound interesting...hmmmm.
    This won't hurt a bit...

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    Cool-blue Rhythm

    dang, just found another awesome singletrack within 2 minutes ride of my house. I love the mountains.

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    Santaheckler, check the "living in golden thread" for more info on Golden. I am sure from what you describe as your likes, desires, etc, you would love Golden if you can afford it!

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