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    Breckenridge Area Conditions?

    My buddy moved away last year and is coming back to visit this weekend (5/31/08). We are taking the bikes and families to Breckenridge in hopes of getting a few rides in. Is anything rideable yet?

    It's funny that all winter I hoped for snow and we ended up with so much all I can do now is dream of sun!

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    DO A SEARCH, n00B!!


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    The search produced squat...The only recent and applicable thread ended up being a bickering fest. The best I got out of it was that Breckenridge-specific trails won't be open until June. If Breckenridge isn't open, what are our next best options? Will anything be open in the Buena Vista area? Will we have to drive down to Denver to ride?

    *edit*
    Found mention of Tenderfoot and the Frisco Peninsula as options. Any others?
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    Among all that bickering was some useful info similar to: the only open stuff is on the South facing hills. Some Keystone ranch trails, the Flume trails= little wet, prolly that one above lake Dillon from Dillon to the dump (the name escapes me), the Frisco side of Lake Dillon. Short answer not much open but if your up there anyway you should find something, less than epic, but something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miwoodar
    The search produced squat...The only recent and applicable thread ended up being a bickering fest. The best I got out of it was that Breckenridge-specific trails won't be open until June. If Breckenridge isn't open, what are our next best options? Will anything be open in the Buena Vista area? Will we have to drive down to Denver to ride?

    *edit*
    Found mention of Tenderfoot and the Frisco Peninsula as options. Any others?
    In other words you found EXACTLY what you were looking for.

    Well done!


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    I did? I don't feel like I found what I was looking for. SkaredShtles - are you holding out on your secret stash!!? Give it up or I'll take your lunch money!

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    Quote Originally Posted by miwoodar
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    <font size="5">BTW - Who are you calling a Noob? You joined MTBR later than I did, rookie.</font>
    You'd never know by the above behavior.

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    It's funny that it came across that way (if post count matters, I might be lacking on MTBR but I'm doing fine on the www).

    In truth - I just didn't like the results. Is there really nothing else available in the area right now!? What if we go down towards Buena Vista or Salida?

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    Quote Originally Posted by miwoodar
    <snip>

    In truth - I just didn't like the results. Is there really nothing else available in the area right now!? What if we go down towards Buena Vista or Salida?
    I guess I could tell you that everything is good to go.

    The other thread made it pretty clear what's available - low elevation south facing stuff. But there's still a $hitload of snow above 10K and even lower on n facing/treed stuff.

    Just take a look at the Breck mt cams at the resort:

    http://breckenridge.snow.com/mtn.cams.asp

    Still SIGNIFICANT amounts of snow... even in the sun.... even at the "base" of the ski area near town.

    The Banana Belt might be a better option - I think they have more options of lower elevation riding...

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    Sweet - thanks Mr. Bacon! I've never ridden the Banana Belt. Looks like the race loop peaks out around 9K feet...hmm...could be a winner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miwoodar
    Sweet - thanks Mr. Bacon! I've never ridden the Banana Belt. Looks like the race loop peaks out around 9K feet...hmm...could be a winner.
    Ahhhhahhahaha. I was just referring to the area in general. Didn't even know there was a race course called that.

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    Flumes are pretty dry, Mike's Trail is ready to go, Slalom Singletrack is mostly dry, the Frisco Peninsula is dry as a bone (except for one maneater puddle that you can easily get around), X10U8 is dry, Jack's, parts of Moonstone, Carter Park. That's all that I've heard of for Breck. All the stuff on the other side of the county that's already been mentioned is ready (Oro Grande, Tenderfoot). Minnie Mine and Side Door should be dry soon - maybe even this weekend.

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    MavSports, great report! Thank you for posting!
    Everyone enjoy the singletrack!
    And like Mav said be courteous to other trail users!

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    Be courteous to the trails too! Since I just got back from a week + on a desert river, I haven't done any first hand recon yet, but Mikes report sounds about like what I'd expect. Is slalom single track and the upper flume going toward toxic forest really dry? Tat would surprise me but since I haven't beeen here maybe it's been warm enough.

    Once again, please don't ride muddy trails, ride through small mud pubbles NOT around them. Don't be too hard core to turn around . The trails and everyone who comes after you will thank you for your kindness!

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    Slalom Singletrack/Toxic Forest = definitely not dry. Just came from there.

    Sorry for the bad intel. They'll be ready soon though.

    On another note, Crazy Matt Casey's back on his property above the McLeary's shaking his fist at anyone who dares ride the road that crosses his property (a super-important connector.) Rider beware. FWIW, the county has clealy stated that the road falls under historical use and therefore is ridable.

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    We ended up running lower, middle and upper flume trails + Mike's. We ran into some nasty mud on the lower and the middle. The upper flume and Mike's trail were both fine. I felt like I was on a home parade while on the lower and middle though. I don't think I'll be riding any of these trails again if I can avoid it - not my favorite type of terrain.

    Thanks for all the notes folks. Next time I make it up I'll have to research some of the other rides mentioned.

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    I can't believe that guy is back and yelling at people. It sounded like TOB talked to him last year and put him in his place...I guess not.

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    shtles, you need to chill. don't be blasting newbies that aren't as search-centric as you.

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    So...

    Keystone Ranch? Peaks Trail?
    Take the long cut, we'll get there eventually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mtnchick
    I can't believe that guy is back and yelling at people. It sounded like TOB talked to him last year and put him in his place...I guess not.
    From the county attorney and the town manager: "historical use". Riding the road that goes through his land is 100% legal. If he stops you, just drop that phrase. Be polite, but them ride away.

    They may have yelled at him, but after a handful of conversations with him during which I've been pretty low key and deferential I've come to the conclusion that he's a complete loon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MavSports
    From the county attorney and the town manager: "historical use". Riding the road that goes through his land is 100% legal. If he stops you, just drop that phrase. Be polite, but them ride away.

    They may have yelled at him, but after a handful of conversations with him during which I've been pretty low key and deferential I've come to the conclusion that he's a complete loon.
    Not looking for your secret stash, but I was wondering whereabouts is this road? I ride Breckenridge quite a bit and not sure if I inadvertently crossed this guys path at sometime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Furrydogs
    Not looking for your secret stash, but I was wondering whereabouts is this road? I ride Breckenridge quite a bit and not sure if I inadvertently crossed this guys path at sometime.
    Not a secret stash at all - you head up Gold Run Road (the TH is right across French Gulch Road from the Wellington Neighborhood - home of Jcospoco, Mavsports and Koko the Silverback Gorilla). If you take the first right you'll pass a sign that says "All non-motorized traffic welcome". This sign was put up by the McLeary's, whose driveway you are now on and whose house you'll eventually pass after a short climb with about 5 switchbacks. This is the road in question. It nearly doubles back on itself once it tops out.

    Matt Casey owns an old mining parcel that crosses the road perpendicularly very close to the top. It's very narrow, but very long. His claim is that since the road crosses his property, he has the right to govern who uses it. I think that we'd all be sympathetic to a degree, but as already stated, people have been riding it and hiking it for 30 years and it's been in existence for probably 100-150 years. Plus he's a tool and all...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Debaser
    So...

    Keystone Ranch? Peaks Trail?
    Peaks always takes a long time to dry out. It will be at least a couple weeks. Peaks takes a lot of abuse and can be really wet in places so please refrain till dry.

    Keystone ranch area probably has some of the lower loops dry, but wet upper sections. Stuff like Blair witch is probably dry but it's best to access it via the dredge rather than the Ranch since the Ranch side is north facing. If anybody has more accurate beta please post.

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    upper ranch stuff is still muddy with small drifts. blair witch is pretty dry. CO trail to the trailer park is still muddy/slushy. junata is dry. trails behind the ice rink are dry. peaks trail will be one of the last rides ready in summit.

    keep the reports coming!

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    - Ice Rink Network/Blue River Trail - dry
    - Blair Witch - dry
    - Slalom ST - dry...totally dry.
    - Northern section of Upper Flume (past the bridge) - mucky...at least right there it is. I suspect that the northern portion is dry
    - Horseshoe - scattred slippery spots
    - Fall Classic ST - dry w/ a few snowbanks. You can (and should) ride through them
    - Back Ranch - mostly dry
    - CT from Horseshoe to Back Ranch - dry
    - Gold Run Road from Crazy Matt Casey's to the Fall Classic ST - dry enough
    - x10u8, Minnie Mine - dry, dry, dry..
    - Jack's, Carter park, Moonstone, B-Line - dry

    I'm sure there's more, but that's all the stuff that's I know firsthand.
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    Any more updates?

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    peaks trail--wet/snowy
    bakers tank--wet/slushy
    west ridge-- wet/slushy
    geogia pass--still good lines to ski
    reds trail(soda creek)--almost dry
    baldy network--probally wet(checking it out manana)
    dyersville--wet/snowy
    barney ford--dry
    downhill trails from boreas to indiana creek-- to the shooting range is almost dry?
    to the stables has a creek running down it

    remember to plan on riding directly though snow/mud or wait til mid july to ride.

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    Soda Creek loop (Hayes et al) - dry
    Blair Witch - dry
    lower CT - dry; Westridge prob needs 2 more weeks
    Barney - dry
    Baldy trails snowy/muddy above Nightmare on Baldy
    Pence Miller/Toad Alley - dry
    Flume Trails - dry
    ski area trails - snowy/muddy

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    Rode Blue river trail Up penn creek to the meadow that hunters camp at where it became snowed in. Blue river trail is totally dry. Penn Creek rd was muddy in places till it was snowed in.

    Checked out the upper section of the Tank trail yesterday and it had drifts and mud in places till it went around to north facing and the snow increased. Very wet but passable till almost to the Pride. The lower section from the T intersection down still had lots of snow on it.

    Haven't ridden the Burro trail but I suspect it is passable with some drift/mud walking to Spruce creek rd.

    PLEASE, if you are going to ride on trails with wet - slushy - muddy sections, walk through the muddy parts or better yet, turn around and come back when it's dryer. Please don't give mountain bikers a bad name because you are impatient t ride. It's just the kind of year it's been and we're going to have to wait. The good news is it's going fast and it looks like summer is finally here for a while!
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    I'll add to my last post.

    Just rode the Burro trail in it's entirety from Breck to Spruce creek rd and it's good to go. One big drift to walk at the rock garden just below the two track and the perennial mud bog is reviling in its bogginess, but other than a few small drifts that are easy to ride through it's dry.

    Also rode up Little French and it's passable to the creek crossing. From there it's pretty snowed in. There might need to be a little shoveling needed for the Firecracker..

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    Quote Originally Posted by zrm
    There might need to be a little shoveling needed for the Firecracker..
    See the department of redundancy department.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zrm
    I'll add to my last post.

    Just rode the Burro trail in it's entirety from Breck to Spruce creek rd and it's good to go. One big drift to walk at the rock garden just below the two track and the perennial mud bog is reviling in its bogginess, but other than a few small drifts that are easy to ride through it's dry.
    ..
    zrm, do you think Spruce Creek trail will be good to go in 2 weeks? That area is pretty shady but I was hoping it might be ready by July 4th.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Furrydogs
    zrm, do you think Spruce Creek trail will be good to go in 2 weeks? That area is pretty shady but I was hoping it might be ready by July 4th.
    Hard to say. If it stays warm it will probably be good. Some thunderstorms with good rain will also melt the snow pretty fast.

    Hope that helps

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    how about the swan river section of the CT? any updates on that.. sorry if it falls into another area, not that familiar with anything up there but that
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    south fork section CT from georgia pass is def wet/snowy. middle fork CT and north fork should be ready in a week or so. people have been riding the north fork section, but it is not ready. the lower section CT just before horseshoe gulch(dedge) had sloppy mud last saturday. lots of folks doing the wrong thing and riding around mud and snow....shame on you!

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    here are some pics taken from above minnie mine. first one is georgia pass, second is the baldy area . it's melting quick, but def still plenty-o-slush in the shade. coming around though!
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    CO FReeride.. can you suggest some rides for me??

    I enjoy technical stuff and the only thing i know up there is fun, but not very technical..
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    What do you mean by technical? If your looking for big drops and super steep type of stuff there isn't a lot of that kind of stuff around Breckenridge. The Burro trail has some rocky, root sections, but wouldn't be considered technical by big bike standards.
    The town has on small FR park just of Grandview road and is working on a bigger one just off Moonstone trail (which by the way also has some fairly rocky sections but once again, not big drops and that sort of thing)

    There are some jeep roads in the Montezuma area like Radical hill that are pretty wild but that stuff is probably still under a lot of snow.

    Breck and Summit County is mostly XC type riding in which some of the trails are somewhat technical, but if your looking for trails with big drops, ledges and stuff like that, you should probably look elsewhere. There are some bandit DH style trails but they are illegal and in trespass on private land (not to mention seriously eroded) so I can't recommend them. A lot of jeep trails are technical in a loose, rocky, baby head kind of way, but I'm not sure if that's what you mean by technical.

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    yeah, summit isn't really known for techy rides. south fork CT and middle fork CT are super fun with some tech sections. alot of the baldy stuff is kinda burly...nightmare on baldy, trail of tears etc. french creek>goldrun is good. peaks trail, miners creek and wheeler offer a challenge too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CO_freeride
    yeah, summit isn't really known for techy rides. south fork CT and middle fork CT are super fun with some tech sections. alot of the baldy stuff is kinda burly...nightmare on baldy, trail of tears etc. french creek>goldrun is good. peaks trail, miners creek and wheeler offer a challenge too.
    got a suggestion for a good map of the area?
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    Quote Originally Posted by billybobzia
    got a suggestion for a good map of the area?
    http://latitude40maps.com/summit.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by CO_freeride
    .nightmare on baldy,.
    Don't know all the names but I've probably ridden it. Is Nightmare on Baldy near the Iowa Mill and some power lines and does it end up on Boreas Pass Road? Last year I rode a lot around that area and did this down hill that was all rutted out and took everything I had to not wipe out. It started just about at timberline, dropped into the woods and I came out south of Bakers Tank on Boreas Pass road. That sound about right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Furrydogs
    Don't know all the names but I've probably ridden it. Is Nightmare on Baldy near the Iowa Mill and some power lines and does it end up on Boreas Pass Road? Last year I rode a lot around that area and did this down hill that was all rutted out and took everything I had to not wipe out. It started just about at timberline, dropped into the woods and I came out south of Bakers Tank on Boreas Pass road. That sound about right?
    Nightmare on Baldy comes out at the Sally Barber mine on Sally Barber road. It was named that because it was a climb on the Fall Classic XC course. Try climbing that thing when you already have 20 miles of hard racing in your legs and you'll understand the name, It is also used as a downhill on the Firecracker course.

    I'm not sure what trail you're describing. The power line pass trail comes out right at Bakers tank and it's pretty sketchy for a while. It drops downhill directly under a High tension power line, not quite treeline but well above 11,000'. Nothing really comes onto Boreas Pass road south (uphill) of the tank except a few dead end spurs that go to mines but don't connect to anything as a loop. You might have somehow gotten onto some old obscure mining road or pack animal trace somehow but I've explored that area a lot and I've never found anything like that. (Doesn't mean it's not there) plus, the motorheads throttle in new trails all over the place all the time and most of the stuff they put in is strait up and down.

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    It's kind of funny that all those trails around Breck have names now....

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    Quote Originally Posted by zrm
    Nightmare on Baldy comes out at the Sally Barber mine on Sally Barber road. It was named that because it was a climb on the Fall Classic XC course. Try climbing that thing when you already have 20 miles of hard racing in your legs and you'll understand the name, It is also used as a downhill on the Firecracker course.
    Ok, I know what that is. I've snowshoed up that hill many times and I can't imagine riding my bike up it.

    Quote Originally Posted by zrm
    I'm not sure what trail you're describing. The power line pass trail comes out right at Bakers tank and it's pretty sketchy for a while. It drops downhill directly under a High tension power line, not quite treeline but well above 11,000'. Nothing really comes onto Boreas Pass road south (uphill) of the tank except a few dead end spurs that go to mines but don't connect to anything as a loop. You might have somehow gotten onto some old obscure mining road or pack animal trace somehow but I've explored that area a lot and I've never found anything like that. (Doesn't mean it's not there) plus, the motorheads throttle in new trails all over the place all the time and most of the stuff they put in is strait up and down.
    You might be right, maybe it comes out right at Bakers Tank. Here's a picture right before I started downhill on the rutted out trail. Notice the tower cables to the right.
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    that pic looks like the powerline trail....seen some great crashes on the rutted bit! i think it pops out on boreas where that rutted moto trails starts that drops to the shooting range in spruce valley ranch.

    what's the best route between french creek and horseshoe gulch(dredge lot)? i heard there was a new all singletrack route in the works.
    thought it might be up those crazy switchbacks above minne mine trail, but just popped out on a knar jeep road at the top of gold run.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CO_freeride
    that pic looks like the powerline trail....seen some great crashes on the rutted bit! i think it pops out on boreas where that rutted moto trails starts that drops to the shooting range in spruce valley ranch.

    what's the best route between french creek and horseshoe gulch(dredge lot)? i heard there was a new all singletrack route in the works.
    thought it might be up those crazy switchbacks above minne mine trail, but just popped out on a knar jeep road at the top of gold run.
    The most direct route that I take is to climb to the upper flume, ride that around past the toxic forest to the ditch which puts me out on the lower part of Gold Run Road. From there I take the Discovery trail which is less direct but more fun than the paved road in the Highlands. You can climb McCleary's switchbacks as you described, and get to the toxic forest via the Fall Classic ST to the Slalom ST then to theToxic fForest. It's really pretty simple although there are lots of side trails to ignore. I call that whole area the Gibson Hill Maze. It just takes a little bit of wandering around in that area to figure out the lay of the trails.

    The new trail which there was a (poorly attended but there's another opportunity to volunteer July 14) trail project last week will connect the Middle flume trail just past where it leaves the Highlands to the Peabody trail head. When it's dome it will be a pretty cool connector.

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    thanks for the info! i'll try to rally up some folks to help out on the the 14th

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles
    It's kind of funny that all those trails around Breck have names now....
    Ha! Well the names have been there for a long time but it's only since the internet that they'ver become widely circulated. For the most part they aren't on any map with those names -although that's changing a little with the town & county open space depts begining to adopt those names and put them on some maps,

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