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    Breckenridge Area Conditions?

    My buddy moved away last year and is coming back to visit this weekend (5/31/08). We are taking the bikes and families to Breckenridge in hopes of getting a few rides in. Is anything rideable yet?

    It's funny that all winter I hoped for snow and we ended up with so much all I can do now is dream of sun!

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    DO A SEARCH, n00B!!


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    The search produced squat...The only recent and applicable thread ended up being a bickering fest. The best I got out of it was that Breckenridge-specific trails won't be open until June. If Breckenridge isn't open, what are our next best options? Will anything be open in the Buena Vista area? Will we have to drive down to Denver to ride?

    *edit*
    Found mention of Tenderfoot and the Frisco Peninsula as options. Any others?
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    Among all that bickering was some useful info similar to: the only open stuff is on the South facing hills. Some Keystone ranch trails, the Flume trails= little wet, prolly that one above lake Dillon from Dillon to the dump (the name escapes me), the Frisco side of Lake Dillon. Short answer not much open but if your up there anyway you should find something, less than epic, but something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miwoodar
    The search produced squat...The only recent and applicable thread ended up being a bickering fest. The best I got out of it was that Breckenridge-specific trails won't be open until June. If Breckenridge isn't open, what are our next best options? Will anything be open in the Buena Vista area? Will we have to drive down to Denver to ride?

    *edit*
    Found mention of Tenderfoot and the Frisco Peninsula as options. Any others?
    In other words you found EXACTLY what you were looking for.

    Well done!


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    I did? I don't feel like I found what I was looking for. SkaredShtles - are you holding out on your secret stash!!? Give it up or I'll take your lunch money!

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    Quote Originally Posted by miwoodar
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    <font size="5">BTW - Who are you calling a Noob? You joined MTBR later than I did, rookie.</font>
    You'd never know by the above behavior.

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    It's funny that it came across that way (if post count matters, I might be lacking on MTBR but I'm doing fine on the www).

    In truth - I just didn't like the results. Is there really nothing else available in the area right now!? What if we go down towards Buena Vista or Salida?

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    Quote Originally Posted by miwoodar
    <snip>

    In truth - I just didn't like the results. Is there really nothing else available in the area right now!? What if we go down towards Buena Vista or Salida?
    I guess I could tell you that everything is good to go.

    The other thread made it pretty clear what's available - low elevation south facing stuff. But there's still a $hitload of snow above 10K and even lower on n facing/treed stuff.

    Just take a look at the Breck mt cams at the resort:

    http://breckenridge.snow.com/mtn.cams.asp

    Still SIGNIFICANT amounts of snow... even in the sun.... even at the "base" of the ski area near town.

    The Banana Belt might be a better option - I think they have more options of lower elevation riding...

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    Sweet - thanks Mr. Bacon! I've never ridden the Banana Belt. Looks like the race loop peaks out around 9K feet...hmm...could be a winner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miwoodar
    Sweet - thanks Mr. Bacon! I've never ridden the Banana Belt. Looks like the race loop peaks out around 9K feet...hmm...could be a winner.
    Ahhhhahhahaha. I was just referring to the area in general. Didn't even know there was a race course called that.

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    Flumes are pretty dry, Mike's Trail is ready to go, Slalom Singletrack is mostly dry, the Frisco Peninsula is dry as a bone (except for one maneater puddle that you can easily get around), X10U8 is dry, Jack's, parts of Moonstone, Carter Park. That's all that I've heard of for Breck. All the stuff on the other side of the county that's already been mentioned is ready (Oro Grande, Tenderfoot). Minnie Mine and Side Door should be dry soon - maybe even this weekend.

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    MavSports, great report! Thank you for posting!
    Everyone enjoy the singletrack!
    And like Mav said be courteous to other trail users!

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    Be courteous to the trails too! Since I just got back from a week + on a desert river, I haven't done any first hand recon yet, but Mikes report sounds about like what I'd expect. Is slalom single track and the upper flume going toward toxic forest really dry? Tat would surprise me but since I haven't beeen here maybe it's been warm enough.

    Once again, please don't ride muddy trails, ride through small mud pubbles NOT around them. Don't be too hard core to turn around . The trails and everyone who comes after you will thank you for your kindness!

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    Slalom Singletrack/Toxic Forest = definitely not dry. Just came from there.

    Sorry for the bad intel. They'll be ready soon though.

    On another note, Crazy Matt Casey's back on his property above the McLeary's shaking his fist at anyone who dares ride the road that crosses his property (a super-important connector.) Rider beware. FWIW, the county has clealy stated that the road falls under historical use and therefore is ridable.

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    We ended up running lower, middle and upper flume trails + Mike's. We ran into some nasty mud on the lower and the middle. The upper flume and Mike's trail were both fine. I felt like I was on a home parade while on the lower and middle though. I don't think I'll be riding any of these trails again if I can avoid it - not my favorite type of terrain.

    Thanks for all the notes folks. Next time I make it up I'll have to research some of the other rides mentioned.

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    I can't believe that guy is back and yelling at people. It sounded like TOB talked to him last year and put him in his place...I guess not.

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    shtles, you need to chill. don't be blasting newbies that aren't as search-centric as you.

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    So...

    Keystone Ranch? Peaks Trail?
    Take the long cut, we'll get there eventually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mtnchick
    I can't believe that guy is back and yelling at people. It sounded like TOB talked to him last year and put him in his place...I guess not.
    From the county attorney and the town manager: "historical use". Riding the road that goes through his land is 100% legal. If he stops you, just drop that phrase. Be polite, but them ride away.

    They may have yelled at him, but after a handful of conversations with him during which I've been pretty low key and deferential I've come to the conclusion that he's a complete loon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MavSports
    From the county attorney and the town manager: "historical use". Riding the road that goes through his land is 100% legal. If he stops you, just drop that phrase. Be polite, but them ride away.

    They may have yelled at him, but after a handful of conversations with him during which I've been pretty low key and deferential I've come to the conclusion that he's a complete loon.
    Not looking for your secret stash, but I was wondering whereabouts is this road? I ride Breckenridge quite a bit and not sure if I inadvertently crossed this guys path at sometime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Furrydogs
    Not looking for your secret stash, but I was wondering whereabouts is this road? I ride Breckenridge quite a bit and not sure if I inadvertently crossed this guys path at sometime.
    Not a secret stash at all - you head up Gold Run Road (the TH is right across French Gulch Road from the Wellington Neighborhood - home of Jcospoco, Mavsports and Koko the Silverback Gorilla). If you take the first right you'll pass a sign that says "All non-motorized traffic welcome". This sign was put up by the McLeary's, whose driveway you are now on and whose house you'll eventually pass after a short climb with about 5 switchbacks. This is the road in question. It nearly doubles back on itself once it tops out.

    Matt Casey owns an old mining parcel that crosses the road perpendicularly very close to the top. It's very narrow, but very long. His claim is that since the road crosses his property, he has the right to govern who uses it. I think that we'd all be sympathetic to a degree, but as already stated, people have been riding it and hiking it for 30 years and it's been in existence for probably 100-150 years. Plus he's a tool and all...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Debaser
    So...

    Keystone Ranch? Peaks Trail?
    Peaks always takes a long time to dry out. It will be at least a couple weeks. Peaks takes a lot of abuse and can be really wet in places so please refrain till dry.

    Keystone ranch area probably has some of the lower loops dry, but wet upper sections. Stuff like Blair witch is probably dry but it's best to access it via the dredge rather than the Ranch since the Ranch side is north facing. If anybody has more accurate beta please post.

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    upper ranch stuff is still muddy with small drifts. blair witch is pretty dry. CO trail to the trailer park is still muddy/slushy. junata is dry. trails behind the ice rink are dry. peaks trail will be one of the last rides ready in summit.

    keep the reports coming!

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    - Ice Rink Network/Blue River Trail - dry
    - Blair Witch - dry
    - Slalom ST - dry...totally dry.
    - Northern section of Upper Flume (past the bridge) - mucky...at least right there it is. I suspect that the northern portion is dry
    - Horseshoe - scattred slippery spots
    - Fall Classic ST - dry w/ a few snowbanks. You can (and should) ride through them
    - Back Ranch - mostly dry
    - CT from Horseshoe to Back Ranch - dry
    - Gold Run Road from Crazy Matt Casey's to the Fall Classic ST - dry enough
    - x10u8, Minnie Mine - dry, dry, dry..
    - Jack's, Carter park, Moonstone, B-Line - dry

    I'm sure there's more, but that's all the stuff that's I know firsthand.
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    Any more updates?

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    peaks trail--wet/snowy
    bakers tank--wet/slushy
    west ridge-- wet/slushy
    geogia pass--still good lines to ski
    reds trail(soda creek)--almost dry
    baldy network--probally wet(checking it out manana)
    dyersville--wet/snowy
    barney ford--dry
    downhill trails from boreas to indiana creek-- to the shooting range is almost dry?
    to the stables has a creek running down it

    remember to plan on riding directly though snow/mud or wait til mid july to ride.

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    Soda Creek loop (Hayes et al) - dry
    Blair Witch - dry
    lower CT - dry; Westridge prob needs 2 more weeks
    Barney - dry
    Baldy trails snowy/muddy above Nightmare on Baldy
    Pence Miller/Toad Alley - dry
    Flume Trails - dry
    ski area trails - snowy/muddy

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    Rode Blue river trail Up penn creek to the meadow that hunters camp at where it became snowed in. Blue river trail is totally dry. Penn Creek rd was muddy in places till it was snowed in.

    Checked out the upper section of the Tank trail yesterday and it had drifts and mud in places till it went around to north facing and the snow increased. Very wet but passable till almost to the Pride. The lower section from the T intersection down still had lots of snow on it.

    Haven't ridden the Burro trail but I suspect it is passable with some drift/mud walking to Spruce creek rd.

    PLEASE, if you are going to ride on trails with wet - slushy - muddy sections, walk through the muddy parts or better yet, turn around and come back when it's dryer. Please don't give mountain bikers a bad name because you are impatient t ride. It's just the kind of year it's been and we're going to have to wait. The good news is it's going fast and it looks like summer is finally here for a while!
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    I'll add to my last post.

    Just rode the Burro trail in it's entirety from Breck to Spruce creek rd and it's good to go. One big drift to walk at the rock garden just below the two track and the perennial mud bog is reviling in its bogginess, but other than a few small drifts that are easy to ride through it's dry.

    Also rode up Little French and it's passable to the creek crossing. From there it's pretty snowed in. There might need to be a little shoveling needed for the Firecracker..

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    Quote Originally Posted by zrm
    There might need to be a little shoveling needed for the Firecracker..
    See the department of redundancy department.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zrm
    I'll add to my last post.

    Just rode the Burro trail in it's entirety from Breck to Spruce creek rd and it's good to go. One big drift to walk at the rock garden just below the two track and the perennial mud bog is reviling in its bogginess, but other than a few small drifts that are easy to ride through it's dry.
    ..
    zrm, do you think Spruce Creek trail will be good to go in 2 weeks? That area is pretty shady but I was hoping it might be ready by July 4th.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Furrydogs
    zrm, do you think Spruce Creek trail will be good to go in 2 weeks? That area is pretty shady but I was hoping it might be ready by July 4th.
    Hard to say. If it stays warm it will probably be good. Some thunderstorms with good rain will also melt the snow pretty fast.

    Hope that helps

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    how about the swan river section of the CT? any updates on that.. sorry if it falls into another area, not that familiar with anything up there but that
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    south fork section CT from georgia pass is def wet/snowy. middle fork CT and north fork should be ready in a week or so. people have been riding the north fork section, but it is not ready. the lower section CT just before horseshoe gulch(dedge) had sloppy mud last saturday. lots of folks doing the wrong thing and riding around mud and snow....shame on you!

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    here are some pics taken from above minnie mine. first one is georgia pass, second is the baldy area . it's melting quick, but def still plenty-o-slush in the shade. coming around though!
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    CO FReeride.. can you suggest some rides for me??

    I enjoy technical stuff and the only thing i know up there is fun, but not very technical..
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    What do you mean by technical? If your looking for big drops and super steep type of stuff there isn't a lot of that kind of stuff around Breckenridge. The Burro trail has some rocky, root sections, but wouldn't be considered technical by big bike standards.
    The town has on small FR park just of Grandview road and is working on a bigger one just off Moonstone trail (which by the way also has some fairly rocky sections but once again, not big drops and that sort of thing)

    There are some jeep roads in the Montezuma area like Radical hill that are pretty wild but that stuff is probably still under a lot of snow.

    Breck and Summit County is mostly XC type riding in which some of the trails are somewhat technical, but if your looking for trails with big drops, ledges and stuff like that, you should probably look elsewhere. There are some bandit DH style trails but they are illegal and in trespass on private land (not to mention seriously eroded) so I can't recommend them. A lot of jeep trails are technical in a loose, rocky, baby head kind of way, but I'm not sure if that's what you mean by technical.

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    yeah, summit isn't really known for techy rides. south fork CT and middle fork CT are super fun with some tech sections. alot of the baldy stuff is kinda burly...nightmare on baldy, trail of tears etc. french creek>goldrun is good. peaks trail, miners creek and wheeler offer a challenge too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CO_freeride
    yeah, summit isn't really known for techy rides. south fork CT and middle fork CT are super fun with some tech sections. alot of the baldy stuff is kinda burly...nightmare on baldy, trail of tears etc. french creek>goldrun is good. peaks trail, miners creek and wheeler offer a challenge too.
    got a suggestion for a good map of the area?
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    Quote Originally Posted by billybobzia
    got a suggestion for a good map of the area?
    http://latitude40maps.com/summit.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by CO_freeride
    .nightmare on baldy,.
    Don't know all the names but I've probably ridden it. Is Nightmare on Baldy near the Iowa Mill and some power lines and does it end up on Boreas Pass Road? Last year I rode a lot around that area and did this down hill that was all rutted out and took everything I had to not wipe out. It started just about at timberline, dropped into the woods and I came out south of Bakers Tank on Boreas Pass road. That sound about right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Furrydogs
    Don't know all the names but I've probably ridden it. Is Nightmare on Baldy near the Iowa Mill and some power lines and does it end up on Boreas Pass Road? Last year I rode a lot around that area and did this down hill that was all rutted out and took everything I had to not wipe out. It started just about at timberline, dropped into the woods and I came out south of Bakers Tank on Boreas Pass road. That sound about right?
    Nightmare on Baldy comes out at the Sally Barber mine on Sally Barber road. It was named that because it was a climb on the Fall Classic XC course. Try climbing that thing when you already have 20 miles of hard racing in your legs and you'll understand the name, It is also used as a downhill on the Firecracker course.

    I'm not sure what trail you're describing. The power line pass trail comes out right at Bakers tank and it's pretty sketchy for a while. It drops downhill directly under a High tension power line, not quite treeline but well above 11,000'. Nothing really comes onto Boreas Pass road south (uphill) of the tank except a few dead end spurs that go to mines but don't connect to anything as a loop. You might have somehow gotten onto some old obscure mining road or pack animal trace somehow but I've explored that area a lot and I've never found anything like that. (Doesn't mean it's not there) plus, the motorheads throttle in new trails all over the place all the time and most of the stuff they put in is strait up and down.

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    It's kind of funny that all those trails around Breck have names now....

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    Quote Originally Posted by zrm
    Nightmare on Baldy comes out at the Sally Barber mine on Sally Barber road. It was named that because it was a climb on the Fall Classic XC course. Try climbing that thing when you already have 20 miles of hard racing in your legs and you'll understand the name, It is also used as a downhill on the Firecracker course.
    Ok, I know what that is. I've snowshoed up that hill many times and I can't imagine riding my bike up it.

    Quote Originally Posted by zrm
    I'm not sure what trail you're describing. The power line pass trail comes out right at Bakers tank and it's pretty sketchy for a while. It drops downhill directly under a High tension power line, not quite treeline but well above 11,000'. Nothing really comes onto Boreas Pass road south (uphill) of the tank except a few dead end spurs that go to mines but don't connect to anything as a loop. You might have somehow gotten onto some old obscure mining road or pack animal trace somehow but I've explored that area a lot and I've never found anything like that. (Doesn't mean it's not there) plus, the motorheads throttle in new trails all over the place all the time and most of the stuff they put in is strait up and down.
    You might be right, maybe it comes out right at Bakers Tank. Here's a picture right before I started downhill on the rutted out trail. Notice the tower cables to the right.
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    that pic looks like the powerline trail....seen some great crashes on the rutted bit! i think it pops out on boreas where that rutted moto trails starts that drops to the shooting range in spruce valley ranch.

    what's the best route between french creek and horseshoe gulch(dredge lot)? i heard there was a new all singletrack route in the works.
    thought it might be up those crazy switchbacks above minne mine trail, but just popped out on a knar jeep road at the top of gold run.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CO_freeride
    that pic looks like the powerline trail....seen some great crashes on the rutted bit! i think it pops out on boreas where that rutted moto trails starts that drops to the shooting range in spruce valley ranch.

    what's the best route between french creek and horseshoe gulch(dredge lot)? i heard there was a new all singletrack route in the works.
    thought it might be up those crazy switchbacks above minne mine trail, but just popped out on a knar jeep road at the top of gold run.
    The most direct route that I take is to climb to the upper flume, ride that around past the toxic forest to the ditch which puts me out on the lower part of Gold Run Road. From there I take the Discovery trail which is less direct but more fun than the paved road in the Highlands. You can climb McCleary's switchbacks as you described, and get to the toxic forest via the Fall Classic ST to the Slalom ST then to theToxic fForest. It's really pretty simple although there are lots of side trails to ignore. I call that whole area the Gibson Hill Maze. It just takes a little bit of wandering around in that area to figure out the lay of the trails.

    The new trail which there was a (poorly attended but there's another opportunity to volunteer July 14) trail project last week will connect the Middle flume trail just past where it leaves the Highlands to the Peabody trail head. When it's dome it will be a pretty cool connector.

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    thanks for the info! i'll try to rally up some folks to help out on the the 14th

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles
    It's kind of funny that all those trails around Breck have names now....
    Ha! Well the names have been there for a long time but it's only since the internet that they'ver become widely circulated. For the most part they aren't on any map with those names -although that's changing a little with the town & county open space depts begining to adopt those names and put them on some maps,

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    West ridge CT is NOT ready.

    Rode the Middle Fork to Horseshoe gulch section of the CT yesterday. (Almost got run over by some knuckle head ATVers hauling ass down the middle fork road but that's another story...) The climbs up to west ridge are clear although the east side still has some wet spots toward the top. The top of west ridge is NOT ready yet unless you are willing to walk trough a lot of snow drifts. Some folks have been riding around some of the smaller drifts If you can't ride this trail with respect please go somewhere else!

    OK, enough of the rant....

    Anyway, I'd guess one more week of warm temperatures will have it down to a little small drift busting and minor muddy spots.
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    We rode from: summit cove> ranch>CT>BWT>Ranch>aqueduct on thurs 6/19 and it was totally clear with just a few puddles in the normal spots. 18 miles round trip birthday ride! Good times!

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    Also rode up Little French and it's passable to the creek crossing. From there it's pretty snowed in. There might need to be a little shoveling needed for the Firecracker..
    Rode this yesterday as far as the creek. Still snowed in, can't imagine it'll be clear by the Firecracker without shoveling.

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    Spent 6 hours riding in the Breckenridge area Sunday after the Crested Butte race on Saturday. Let's just say....there is still some snow to melt yet.

    http://flickr.com/photos/jeffkerkove...7605762980381/

    Short video clip from the Colorado Trail at about 10,300 ft. This was after the 15 minutes of walking over snow piles waiting to be melted by the summer sun.

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    Was that the West Ridge area?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KERKOVEJ
    Spent 6 hours riding in the Breckenridge area Sunday after the Crested Butte race on Saturday. Let's just say....there is still some snow to melt yet.

    http://flickr.com/photos/jeffkerkove...7605762980381/

    Short video clip from the Colorado Trail at about 10,300 ft. This was after the 15 minutes of walking over snow piles waiting to be melted by the summer sun.

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    I was up there mid afternoon when I rode it. I was wondering who else had been up there recently. I didn't see a soul from the time I got off the Middle fork till I got to Horseshoe Gulch. You might have been behind me because I and carried over and busted through some smaller drifts that didn't have any tracks on them. The snow was about what I expected given where we are with other trails.

    There's been enough traffic to create some braids around some of the drifts which I blocked off. As I said in my page three post, please don't ride around the drifts and create braids! Carry your bike over them! With the amount of traffic it gets, keeping this heavily used sweet piece of trail in good shape is a hard enough chore for the Summit Fat Tire Society even when folks use good riding practices. Dealing with early season braids just takes away time from other needed work.

    I'd say give it another week and it should be down to the last little snow piles that you should be able to ride through without any significant imapacts to the trail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles
    Was that the West Ridge area?

    It was the other side of the ridge from westridge. Westridge follow the CT for a short way along the top of the ridge then drops back towards keystone gulch road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zrm
    There's been enough traffic to create some braids around some of the drifts which I blocked off.
    I saw that while riding. I came upon 2 female hikers walking around the snow. Heck, I just walked through it...cold snow felt good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freddy Mercury
    It was the other side of the ridge from westridge. Westridge follow the CT for a short way along the top of the ridge then drops back towards keystone gulch road.
    You're talking the west-ish facing descent from West Ridge?

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    just rode the peaks tail....way drier than i would've guessed. still muddy in the normal areas that are wet most of the season.
    if you walk the few mud spots instead of riding around them, it's good to go.

    how long on the "great flume trail" from S. fork? i'm dying to check that out.
    also, is the bakers tank area dry?...heard it was sloppy a few days ago.

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    Any word on the Tiger Road section of CO Trail near Blair Witch?

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    Quote Originally Posted by smmokan
    Any word on the Tiger Road section of CO Trail near Blair Witch?
    DRY, did a loop, as stated above, the other day and only ran into a few puddles in the usual spots


    I think everything in that area should be completely dry by now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freddy Mercury
    DRY, did a loop, as stated above, the other day and only ran into a few puddles in the usual spots


    I think everything in that area should be completely dry by now.
    The West Ridge section of the CT is probably not quite ready yet unless you want to climb over 10-15 snow drifts. that you can't ride through (PLEASE don't ride around them and make braids or widen the trail!). I was up there about 3 days ago and walking through, over, and around the drifts probably added 20 - 25 min or so to the ride. The section immediately to the east of Horseshoe gulch is goo to go usubg Reds trail as a loop.

    Thanks for helping keep this trail in the best shape possible!

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    411 appreciated

    leaving for breck in the morning... (family trip, but bike will find its way on jeep).

    if anyone is so inclined, please PM me some worthy (and dry) trails nearby; i'd be most appreciative. i've only ridden the CT stuff off tiger road(?) before.

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    Thanks for the info on the Peaks trail. I will be up there this weekend and plan on starting at the top of Baldy road up to Iowa Mill and then around Bakers Tank/ Boreas Pass area. Do you think the Baker's Tank trail is good to go? From there heading over to Middle Flume to Dredge area, CT Trail to Blair Witch, over to Keystone Ranch? and then back to Tiger Run, up Gold Hill to Peaks Trail and then beer and dinner in Breck. Sounds like all of those are good to go. Sorry about the run on sentence...

    One other thing, do I pick up Discovery Ridge just off of Gold Run Road where it turns into a paved road by the golf course?

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    "I will be up there this weekend and plan on starting at the top of Baldy road up to Iowa Mill and then around Bakers Tank/ Boreas Pass area. Do you think the Baker's Tank trail is good to go? From there heading over to Middle Flume to Dredge area, CT Trail to Blair Witch, over to Keystone Ranch? and then back to Tiger Run, up Gold Hill to Peaks Trail and then beer and dinner in Breck. Sounds like all of those are good to go. Sorry about the run on sentence"

    you should of just listed the trails you're not gonna ride

    def still snow around iowa mill area. bakers tank was still sloopy last i heard. everything else you listed is good to go

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    Quote Originally Posted by CO_freeride

    you should of just listed the trails you're not gonna ride
    Burro Trail, Spruce Creek and Wheeler.

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    still snow around iowa mill area. bakers tank was still sloopy last i heard

    It's melting out on Baldy around the Iowa mill, but still water coming down from above.
    Tank trail is a little sloppy near the pride but I did some drainage work on it to at least drain the puddles.
    This last week has really made a big difference.

    One other thing, do I pick up Discovery Ridge just off of Gold Run Road where it turns into a paved road by the golf course?

    Yes, look for a culvert. You can cut off almost all of the paved part of Gold Run Road. Make sure you catch the lower part o fthe trail by crossing the paved road, for whatever reason, the town has yet to put the trail marker posts on the downhill side of the road crossing.

    Burro Trail, Spruce Creek and Wheeler.

    I'll be checking Spruce creek in the next couple days. I'd suspect it's still pretty sloppy, It's always on of the last below treeline trails to dry out but if the Peaks is mostly dry, Spruce creek usually isn't too far behind.

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    Speaking of the Bakers Tank area, what's the deal with Spiral Stairs? Last time I rode it in the fall, I noticed that someone cut down dozens of trees on the trail (on FS land as far as I can tell) and put up a private property sign on the trail that branches off Spiral to that old fire lookout/tower.

    Also, does anyone have a good connector trail from the top of Reiling Rd (by the school) to upper flume, thus avoiding having to ride down Reiling Rd? I've been on the flume above (north) of Reiling but it ends up on private land.

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    The Spiral Stairs proper is entirely on Private land and is under easment to the county. What I think you are talking about it the single track section above the ST that goes from the designated spiral stairs to the flat road that leads to the top of Nightmare on Baldy. That is also on private land and was put in without owner permission and is in tresspass. There is actually very little Forest Service land in that area of Baldy (Iowa Mill, Upper Baldy Road). What public land there is is mostly Summit Co or Town of Breck Open space. Bottom line is we're SOL on the upper single track section unless something can be worked out with the land owner or it gets bought by open space.

    There really isn't a way to the upper flume from the day care center other than to go down to CO Rd 450 and climb from there or else Ride up Gold Run Road and descend via either the upper part of CR 450 or the Slalom Single track. There is a new single track that the owners of the new Western Sky Ranch Subdivision had to put in that is kind of fun. It crosses Gold Run Road just below the top.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zrm
    The West Ridge section of the CT is probably not quite ready yet
    Apologies in advance for my ignorance of your local trail names.

    I was hoping to bring the Missus and a few friends up to ride this weekend. Saturday's route of choice would be up Tiger Rd, cut in at Middle (or North) Fork of the Swan, then ride the CT back 'down'. Does this qualify as the 'West Ridge' you're referring to?

    If so we'll skip it for another week to let it dry out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee
    Apologies in advance for my ignorance of your local trail names.

    I was hoping to bring the Missus and a few friends up to ride this weekend. Saturday's route of choice would be up Tiger Rd, cut in at Middle (or North) Fork of the Swan, then ride the CT back 'down'. Does this qualify as the 'West Ridge' you're referring to?

    If so we'll skip it for another week to let it dry out.

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    Part of it. You'll climb to West Ridge then descend the CT to Tiger Run. There was a report of snow drifts still blocking (but walkable) sections of this recently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles
    Part of it. You'll climb to West Ridge then descend the CT to Tiger Run. There was a report of snow drifts still blocking (but walkable) sections of this recently.
    So West Ridge is the 'high point' that you climb to after leaving the Middle Fork road, but before you start the main descent on the CT heading west?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee
    So West Ridge is the 'high point' that you climb to after leaving the Middle Fork road, but before you start the main descent on the CT heading west?
    Yeah - that's the WR "proper" - the actual WR ride comes up from Keystone Gulch and then descends back to Keystone... but shares a part of the top of the ridge with the CT.

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    Thanks for the info zrm. I'll have to check out that new single track this weekend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biopace
    Speaking of the Bakers Tank area, what's the deal with Spiral Stairs? Last time I rode it in the fall, I noticed that someone cut down dozens of trees on the trail (on FS land as far as I can tell) and put up a private property sign on the trail that branches off Spiral to that old fire lookout/tower. .
    To add to ZRM's comments on that trail near Spiral Stairs. I actually ran into the landowner last summer while biking there and initially she was a little snotty but after chatting for a minute or two she lightened up. (They own about 500 acres in that area). She said she was sick and tired of the motorcycles tearing up the area and she was also po'd that they kept making jumps around the area. She wanted to keep it open for light recreational use but it was becoming more difficult for them. The final straw was last August when a hippie couple that was squatting on the land freaked out on drugs with the boyfriend dying and the girlfriend stabbing herself multiple times. Pretty soon after that they cut a lot of trees down to block the trail that went by the tower. Kind of a bummer, I really liked using that trail to connect to several fun singletracks in that area.
    By the way, I thought it was a fire tower too but they informed me that it was a spec tower that was built to show prospective homeowners what their views would look like if they built a place on the land.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Furrydogs
    To add to ZRM's comments on that trail near Spiral Stairs. I actually ran into the landowner last summer while biking there and initially she was a little snotty but after chatting for a minute or two she lightened up. (They own about 500 acres in that area). She said she was sick and tired of the motorcycles tearing up the area and she was also po'd that they kept making jumps around the area. She wanted to keep it open for light recreational use but it was becoming more difficult for them. The final straw was last August when a hippie couple that was squatting on the land freaked out on drugs with the boyfriend dying and the girlfriend stabbing herself multiple times. Pretty soon after that they cut a lot of trees down to block the trail that went by the tower. Kind of a bummer, I really liked using that trail to connect to several fun singletracks in that area.
    By the way, I thought it was a fire tower too but they informed me that it was a spec tower that was built to show prospective homeowners what their views would look like if they built a place on the land.
    Summit County Government has a pretty fun tool on its website for determining property ownership. If you have doubts if a trail is in trespass in Summit County, check this out

    http://maps.co.summit.co.us/arcmap1/viewer.htm

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    hey, so who was responsible for the breckenridge freeride park? i'd love to chat w/ them about their experience getting something of this nature built on (presumably) public property.

    sadly, while screwing around up there i kinda jacked up the bike enough that i was unable to get any real riding in this weekend– though my 4-year-old nearly made it all the way to frisco from breck on the recpath... thank god for that free bus shuttle back to town!

    looks like i'll need to make another trip up there (soon). coming back over boreas, those trails sure do look pretty dang ready up high.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gotdirt
    hey, so who was responsible for the breckenridge freeride park? i'd love to chat w/ them about their experience getting something of this nature built on (presumably) public property.

    sadly, while screwing around up there i kinda jacked up the bike enough that i was unable to get any real riding in this weekend– though my 4-year-old nearly made it all the way to frisco from breck on the recpath... thank god for that free bus shuttle back to town!

    looks like i'll need to make another trip up there (soon). coming back over boreas, those trails sure do look pretty dang ready up high.
    Town of Breckenridge open Space Dept. The Freeride park off four o'clock run is on TOB open space property. They are building a new park called the B-line on the Moonstone property above Carter Park. there will be a volunteer work day on Aug 16. You can meet some of the open space folks there or you can contact them. Heidie Anderson is head of the Dept and Scott Reid coordinates most of the on the Ground work and is probably the person to talk to regarding the freeride stuff.

    http://www.townofbreckenridge.com/in...mastercalendar

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    went up south fork looking for the "great flume trail". after looking for 2 hrs i just went down and rode middle fork and cut my losses. my understanding is it crosses one mile down from georgia pass and appox 1/4 mile above the forest service gate. am i blind or is it really hard to spot. i wasn't just riding by glancing around, i was getting off my bike and walking around searching for it. any help would be appreciated.

    also, there was quite a bit of snow on south fork 1/2 mile from geogia pass...my guess is that south fork CT is very slushy/sloppy.

    here are some quick vids of the north fork just before horseshoe from yesterday:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVVvz7Jd1dY

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pb-DXon2_iQ

    a couple more quick vids:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzNloUv6ovc

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lejq2rojZ5c
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    Quote Originally Posted by CO_freeride
    went up south fork looking for the "great flume trail". after looking for 2 hrs i just went down and rode middle fork and cut my losses. my understanding is it crosses one mile down from georgia pass and appox 1/4 mile above the forest service gate. am i blind or is it really hard to spot. i wasn't just riding by glancing around, i was getting off my bike and walking around searching for it. any help would be appreciated.

    also, there was quite a bit of snow on south fork 1/2 mile from geogia pass...my guess is that south fork CT is very slushy/sloppy.

    here are some quick vids of the north fork just before horseshoe from yesterday:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVVvz7Jd1dY

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pb-DXon2_iQ
    You might have to have someone who knows how to find it show you. You where probably real close to it but where just missing it. When you do find it, you'll probably slap your forehead and say DOH!
    If it's hard to find from the south fork side it's probably because it's either still snowed in and no one has been riding it and there isn't a trail beat in yet. The section on that side has a really wet section that gets pretty beat up by the motorheads that's pretty hard to miss when you're looking at it but it's 60-70 yards off of the road so it's not obvious.
    The trail was recommended to be included in the Golden Horseshoe trails plans as a non-motorized trail. (the Moto guys bitterly fought this but pretty much everyone was against them). If and when that happens, there will eventually be some work to deal with the wet spots and to mark it, but that's a a while off.
    If there was snow on the South Fork road I'm guesing there is still snow on the trail. It's a shady, densly forested slope (great tree skiing) so I'll guess there are still some pretty good drifts.

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    I rode the Great Flume Saturday morning. The first few miles were dry, the last couple as you get closer to the S. Fork road side...have some snow drifts. Some downed trees, but considering the winter not as many as I would have thought. Lots and lots of cobwebs across the trail led me to believe not many have been out on it yet. But not as bad conditions as you would think. And yes, I think it is very difficult to see from the road. I almost always ride it from French Gulch side to the S Fork Rd, then up to GA Pass and the CT. But Saturday I descended the road all the way to the CT as it crossed the road and went from middle to north fork.

    Next time I ride the Great Flume, prob in a couple weeks, it will be perfect, and by then the upper CT from GA Pass down should be drier too. That's my epic - Fr Gulch Rd-Little French Gulch-flume-Great Flume-S Fork-GA Pass-CT-Gold Hill-Peaks Trail- 40 miles!

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    Searle Pass NOT ready

    Rode up the CT towards Searle Pass from Copper today. You can ride to about 10,800' or so before you begin to run into serious mud and snow or about 1 1/2 miles up were you begin climbing up Guller Creek. After that it gets progressively more snowy. I walked a lot of muddy section till I parked the bike and walked up to treeline wading through many many snow drifts. I'm guessing it will be a LEAST two weeks before you can ride to the top of Searle Pass.

    Right now, if you park at the access point near the corn lot off of hwy 91 you can do a nice 13-14 mile out and back if you turn around where it starts to get really wet.

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    Zrm - Did the d-bags at Copper stables do their usual early season mud rides/trail destruction on the 2-3 miles of the CT that they use?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biopace
    Zrm - Did the d-bags at Copper stables do their usual early season mud rides/trail destruction on the 2-3 miles of the CT that they use?
    D-Bags? Well..... they have their point of view and think they are providing a great service to folks who think the wild west should be seen from horseback, they are making a living etc. (I'm trying to be nice here). It's funny though, I've talked to the gal who runs Copper Stables many times and she's either totally clueless, totally in denial, or dishonest about their impacts.

    The answer to your question is YES, they are well along in the process of destroying that section of trail. The answer is to get that operation off of the CT and on to their own system of trails, why there is so much resistance to that I'm not sure. It's important that folks let the Forest Service know how bad that part of the trail has become and how unpleasant riding or walking it is. Call or write the Dillon Ranger District (970 468 5400 PO Box 620 Silverthorne CO 80498) and let them know. The guy you need to direct your comments to is Ken Waugh.

    PS: Just to be fair and accurate they actually use a little more than a mile of the trail, not 2-3.

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    the first pic show some of the trail damage....stinks like horsecrap too!

    fun ride though!
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