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    Box o Rox is gonna happen!

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    Just got off the phone with eric at BCLP and after a brief conversation they are very excited to have someone commit to adopting that section of trail. Specifically the lower bog section that tends to stay wet through the year. I am committed to give back more this year if it means getting out there with an Amoeba on my head!

    This is where the T.I.T.S. crew comes in and anybody else willing to join in. I know there are various other worthy trailwork days and weekends that alot of you already are involved with and that is great-please keep that up! But if anybody wants to extend that and join in on this section please post here and or PM me with name, email and contact info so i can have this on hand.

    There will be a trailbuilding workshop in the spring sometime, i will get those details out when i get them and pass them on. With enough people i think we can knock this out fairly quickly and help that area to recover.

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    Just got off the phone with eric at BCLP and after a brief conversation they are very excited to have someone commit to adopting that section of trail. Specifically the lower bog section that tends to stay wet through the year. I am committed to give back more this year if it means getting out there with an Amoeba on my head!

    This is where the T.I.T.S. crew comes in and anybody else willing to join in. I know there are various other worthy trailwork days and weekends that alot of you already are involved with and that is great-please keep that up! But if anybody wants to extend that and join in on this section please post here and or PM me with name, email and contact info so i can have this on hand.

    There will be a trailbuilding workshop in the spring sometime, i will get those details out when i get them and pass them on. With enough people i think we can knock this out fairly quickly and help that area to recover.

    Work always to be followed by a night ride of course!!
    Kev -- Let's see about coordinating something with the social ride committee we're on -- it might be a good way to get lots of folks involved, etc etc. waddaya think?
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    Absolutely! More the merrier! Maybe even coordinate with COMBA and utilize some of those tools! I know COMBA has a section already but with enough folks on a couple outings we could do alot with this section.

    Have received a couple pm's already thanks guys!

    I cant seem to find my pic of the original sign anybody?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PBR me!
    Absolutely! More the merrier! Maybe even coordinate with COMBA and utilize some of those tools! I know COMBA has a section already but with enough folks on a couple outings we could do alot with this section.
    I'll present the tool request at the COMBA Board meeting Tuesday night -- unless, of course you want to show up and present it yourself? I, personally, would like to see the COMBA trailer there, etc etc.
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    I would love to but next week is gonna be tight as it is. Trying to get ready to go to canada for 10 days. I will get in touch with Jason unless there is someone else i should talk to. As far as the Trailer goes, only place it could go would be the Rooney lot and pack up tools from there. I would be down for bringing my grill and cooking up some post work food and then head out a night ride!


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    Quote Originally Posted by PBR me!
    I would love to but next week is gonna be tight as it is. Trying to get ready to go to canada for 10 days. I will get in touch with Jason unless there is someone else i should talk to. As far as the Trailer goes, only place it could go would be the Rooney lot and pack up tools from there. I would be down for bringing my grill and cooking up some post work food and then head out a night ride!


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    Uhh....that would be me...I think! The Social Events/Ride Director. I'll present it at the BoD meeting Tuesday night. COMBA also has a grill that I can bring with...
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    I'll help.
    You have my info.
    We can team up on my section too!
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    good on ya', kevin...



    fwiw, i think we could likely get gate access from lakewood and park the trailer in the dirt across the overpass/bridge like we did for national trails day.

    just let nancy know how COMBA might best assist w/ your grassroots efforts.
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    Wooohooo!

    This is gonna be soooo much fun! Trail fixin, trail ridin, socializing.... That's MY cup o' tea! Can't wait for this weather to go away -- Bring on the sunshine and dry trails!
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    Do they want a boardwalk across that or what's the plan?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bad andy!
    Do they want a boardwalk across that or what's the plan?
    Sounds good to me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bad andy!
    Do they want a boardwalk across that or what's the plan?
    Was kinda thinking the same thing ... like the low-liers in BCLP, only narrower


    Although something with that much structure seems awfully tame for BOR...
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    What that section needs is some good ol Appalachian Trail armoring.

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/goatshell/2458407205/" title="Appalachan Trail Armoring(Burnt MTn 04/08) by Goat in a Turtle Shell, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2003/2458407205_702fc00bd1.jpg" width="375" height="500" alt="Appalachan Trail Armoring(Burnt MTn 04/08)" /></a>

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/goatshell/2459282056/" title="Appalachan Trail armoring( Burnt Mtn 04/08) by Goat in a Turtle Shell, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3231/2459282056_fa2007eb52.jpg" width="375" height="500" alt="Appalachan Trail armoring( Burnt Mtn 04/08)" /></a>

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/goatshell/2458398217/" title="a rigid goat on Burnt by Goat in a Turtle Shell, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2221/2458398217_ee5bc02b02.jpg" width="375" height="500" alt="a rigid goat on Burnt" /></a>

    But I think what really needs to happen is a couple of switchbacks through the valley on a more sustainable grade. Some boardwalk(Skinnies) could definitely be used.

    I'm down PBR...Let me know when the scoping happens for reroutes..I want in on the whole process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mountaingoatepics
    What that section needs is some good ol Appalachian Trail armoring.


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    I'm down PBR...Let me know when the scoping happens for reroutes..I want in on the whole process.

    agreed!

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    Yeppers -- me three -- Then we all can discuss in what way we (COMBA) can support this effort.
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    I'm in pbr! I can lift middle size to large middle sized rocks over my head if that helps. let me know what i can do.

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    Will do for sure! I just cleared out the PM inbox so should be more room. Thanks to all of you who volunteered! I have an email list going so will contact all of you when things get rolling!
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    Okay, dumb ?

    So, I grew up here, have ridden GM, DR and MW for 15 years, but I don't know what trail is "Box O' Rocks"? I don't see it named on the GM trail map. Just curious?

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    I think it comes up the northwest side of the mountain from the concrete bike path. I only know that from looking at the map on the Lakewood, Colo site.

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    Here's the Lakewood site with a link to the map in .pdf - http://www.lakewood.org/comres/page....GreenMountain/

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    New to the area, but did boat loads of trail work back east...where trail armoring is a must...would love to help out, too!

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    I'm guessing this is the area that's gonna be reworked. First pic is during a real dry winter when this area can be just hard pack; the second is during a nice wet spring where conditions can range from nice to tacky to a mud pit.
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    So it seems to me to be, this thing that I think I see.

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    Nice pics XC! yes that is precisely the area, along with the lower longer of the two gulches. That section could use a switchback rather than that straight chute that seems to become wider and washed out! But first order is to rework the bog area. I have received many pms and emails and i appreciate it! Once we pin a date down to scope out the area, I'll let everyone know as soon in advance as i can and we can meet up and discuss options along with the appropriate Lakewood parks and rec personnel. Thank you to COMBA for offering up the tool trailer!

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    Thanks to scar for his aerial photography. I made some changes. edit: (too bad the print is unreadable. The lower arrow sez "Fun climb" and the upper one sez "Best enjoyed when going up"). If asked I would tell descenders that I enjoyed going up more. Their usual response was that they'd NEVER gone UP Box of Rox.

    BTW, can we rename it back to what it used to be called---The Rusty Sign Trail?
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    So it seems to me to be, this thing that I think I see.

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    XCguy, I have gone up that trail. Not fun.

    Would wood bridges be out of the question in the reroute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bedell99
    I have gone up that trail. Not fun.
    that's crazy talk. the most fun climb on the big green hill!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatGuy!
    that's crazy talk. the most fun climb on the big green hill!
    Orale, vato. The only thing I miss when I veer off the service road to do BOR up is the nasty climb about 200 yards off the road. That seems to get tougher year by year or maybe it's just me. And, oh yeah, I then miss grinding all the way up the service road but you can't have everything!

    Here's somebody not having a problem climbing that nasty section:
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    So it seems to me to be, this thing that I think I see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xcguy
    BTW, can we rename it back to what it used to be called---The Rusty Sign Trail?
    I agree, Rusty Sign Trail. I miss that name. Much more descriptive. The whole "mountain" is a pile of rocks, cobblestones, and clay, but there is only one rusty sign!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cartman
    I agree, Rusty Sign Trail. I miss that name. Much more descriptive. The whole "mountain" is a pile of rocks, cobblestones, and clay, but there is only one rusty sign!

    I totally agree! that is out of my hands i even tried to track down that sign i think it was spoken for FT you ever find anything more on that. oh wait do you still ride or is it full on ski mode? with your hookups i would too!
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    Quote Originally Posted by PBR me!
    I totally agree! that is out of my hands i even tried to track down that sign i think it was spoken for FT you ever find anything more on that. oh wait do you still ride or is it full on ski mode? with your hookups i would too!
    I bet there's a welder on this forum could fashion another one and we can just leave it outside till the inaugural ride on the rebuilt bog. You know, have a ribbon cutting ceremony up top, one end of the ribbon on the "new" sign, the other end held by some rusty clunker somebody's got laying outside next to the shed.
    So it seems to me to be, this thing that I think I see.

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    Any plans for the box yet?
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    Hey snigs,

    thanks for followin up! I am still kicking around some dates. I really wanted to do it national trails day, but i guess they didnt want to spread out crew leaders on two projects. Turns out i am also out of town that weekend. Fam. wants to go to moab when its actually warm.

    Who am i to argue if they want to go!

    The two weekends i was thinking are June 12 or June 26 (or possibly May 29th)

    19th is build weekend on the black diamond trail as well as the Bailey Hundo

    5th is national Trails day Then were stating to get into 4th of july weekend= hot to be wroking on GM.

    So with that said im going to propose those two weekends and see what the powers of Lakewood say. We'll also be using the COMBA trailer with tools so need to coordinate around their schedule as well.

    I will be following up with all the people that emailed me and hope to get a good number of those people to come and help out! With lots of folks this should be able to be completed in one day.

    thoughts.......

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    Put me on the list, I should be in town.


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    Here is what were dealing with if your not familiar:

    These were about a month or so ago.


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    With a good sized group we should be able to do some good!
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    Just got this from Sara Schweitzberger (REI Volunteer Coordinator). It looks like Box of Rocks/Rusty Sign will be getting some work done on 2010 National Trails Day:

    This year’s National Trails Day is right around the corner and we need your help! On June 5th, Lakewood Regional Parks and REI will be hosting our fourth National Trails Day event on William Frederick Hayden Park ( Green Mountain ). This event will involve some serious hands-on trail work as we reroute the lower segment of the Box of Rocks trail.

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    Yes, that is gonna be the lower section of bor.(not the bog section) I think they are working on a reroute of that steep gulley. Which is interesting because what i proposed was a reroute crossing that bog section a little bit higher and crossing the always wet sesction where its a little bit narrower. It would mean a switchback or two nothing major and letting that whole lower area to heal over. But Lakewood said they didnt want to create another scar on the mountain
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    Quote Originally Posted by PBR me!
    Here is what were dealing with if your not familiar:

    These were about a month or so ago.
    Yeah rode there last night. Not much has changed, so it seems that my inquiry was timely. I did not inspect it, but I am guessing there's either an underground spring or just perfect soil conditions for a bog. Either way get ready to dig and haul gravel!
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    Quote Originally Posted by PBR me!
    But Lakewood said they didnt want to create another scar on the mountain
    yeah...a huge muddy section is a sight to behold...
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    Quote Originally Posted by bonbonan
    That is a light.

    That is THE light!
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    A couple dozen railroad ties and a few tons of pea-gravel will fix that thing right up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by topmounter
    A couple dozen railroad ties and a few tons of pea-gravel will fix that thing right up!
    nice...I'll follow behind while you push the wheelbarrow

    speaking of....should we need lots of material, what are the options to get it in there? or for that matter can we even go that route? too early to discuss?
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    From my contact:

    Kevin,
    Me and a couple other staff members went up to the trail site on Wednesday and got a plan and materials list going for the bog section. We are looking at putting in some turnpikes in the wet sections. If you are not sure what a turnpike is, we will be raising the trail with timbers on each side of the trail, filling it with dirt and rock, then placing drains going under the trail. The project length is about 150 feet. If we get all the people on your e-mail list up on the mountain we should be able to finish the project in one day. We need to start planning some dates for when the project will happen. If you want to start shooting me some dates we can get this project started. The people that were up there with me are all trail crew leaders and wanted to be involved with the project. They will be a huge help. Let me know if you have any questions.
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    So from what we have discussed, they, (lakewood) are going to provide the materials we just need to coordinate hauling and delivering on site.
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    I suggest 6/12

    May 29 is Memorial Day weekend....

    June 26 coincides with Crested Butte Fat Tire Week...

    June 19? Anyone? Buelller?
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    Quote Originally Posted by snigs
    May 29 is Memorial Day weekend....

    June 26 coincides with Crested Butte Fat Tire Week...

    June 19? Anyone? Buelller?
    A. Railroad ties are incredibly heavy and difficult to saw through.

    B. June 19 sounds great. That's just before our annual two weeks of 99 degree days.

    C. Who is it up to ultimately to set-in-stone the build day? I'm in.
    So it seems to me to be, this thing that I think I see.

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    Well June 19th is Bailey Hundo (some guys im planning on helping are gonna be in this) and also COMBA is doing trail building on the Black Diamond trail and their trailer and tools will be up at BC.

    Its gonna be hard to please everyone, bottom line is i gotta schedule it with most people and tools available.
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    Dude. Nobody goes to the Crested Butte Fat Tire Fest. Not since 1996.

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    Project details:

    A. i/we, t.i.t.s. crew, officially adopted this section of trail specifically box o rox. So i guess that build dates are up to me, as long as they are approved through Lakewood parks and rec. (they were pretty adamant about overseeing this project with their crew leaders) Even though i have many crew leaders as well as a geologist willing to assess and work with.

    B. This effort is only as strong as all that volunteer and show up (i will work on a beer sponsor for afterwards) COMBA has volunteered their tools, trailer and grill to cook on afterward.

    C. Once this repair/ improvement is done bor is our responsibility for a two year period i believe.

    D. All improvements and trailwork need to be ran through Lakewood parks and rec and waivers and all that good stuff. I just signed up to be the adopter with all you great folks to help me out!

    E. Spring has kind of gotten away a bit. I just want to get this going before it gets too hot as mentioned. The nicer it gets the more peeps are going to want to ride and not build. But i think for one day we could get it done.

    I have about 30 or so people that emailed me or pm'd and that is awesome! I'm counting on you guys for this!

    thank you thank you!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by xcguy
    A. Railroad ties are incredibly heavy and difficult to saw through.
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    Talk to me about getting the tools out the and having the after party at iironworks. I can have them checnge the time to 5pm. BBQ and band. Let know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schnauzers
    Talk to me about getting the tools out the and having the after party at iironworks. I can have them checnge the time to 5pm. BBQ and band. Let know.

    kinda stuck here, Lakewood does not want us to do it the same day as trails day/average joe show at IW - and i guess im in utah that weekend now. But i will promote the average joe show and with all the trails day folks its sure to be a big show!

    So now i need to rally up a post work festive with at least beer and food, just to get folks to come and help!
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    Or you could just threaten to take away all their beer and food if they DON'T come and help

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    Quote Originally Posted by schnauzers
    Talk to me about getting the tools out the and having the after party at iironworks. I can have them checnge the time to 5pm. BBQ and band. Let know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xcguy
    A. Railroad ties are incredibly heavy and difficult to saw through.

    B. June 19 sounds great. That's just before our annual two weeks of 99 degree days.

    C. Who is it up to ultimately to set-in-stone the build day? I'm in.
    You can cut through anything with a big enough chainsaw. As to the earlier question re: how to get materials up to the site... don't go up, come down. IOW, truck whatever is needed up the service road, then haul it down the trail w/ ATVs and trailers.

    BTW, I'm having a little trouble following some of the discussion, particularly with regards to the use of switchbacks. I'm having a hard time imagining how a switchback or two is going to bypass the muddy area in the bog, and I'm hoping like mad that no one is talking of putting in switchbacks to take out that short, straight cliff of a climb down at the bottom.

    Anyway, June 19th works out great for me, so if that's the date, I'm in.

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    what about a little re-route?

    Just straighten the starting corner (going up hill) that does the 180 into the mud pit a little and re route higher up the hill above the bog? It would then head west and flatten or even dip a little to the existing west corner that turns up to the sandy crud that is BOR

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rugby Chuck
    Just straighten the starting corner (going up hill) that does the 180 into the mud pit a little and re route higher up the hill above the bog? It would then head west and flatten or even dip a little to the existing west corner that turns up to the sandy crud that is BOR

    -I am in for a trail build day and will bring some homemade brats!

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    I was up there Monday and the water from the bog has made a mess of the trail well before you get to that 180. From the looks of it, lots of people have ridden, or at least have tried to ride, through the wet spots. It's a big ol' mess. I'm guessing there's a lot of folks who just don't appreciate the damage they do by riding through the bog when it's wet like it is now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scooter2468
    You can cut through anything with a big enough chainsaw. As to the earlier question re: how to get materials up to the site... don't go up, come down. IOW, truck whatever is needed up the service road, then haul it down the trail w/ ATVs and trailers.

    BTW, I'm having a little trouble following some of the discussion, particularly with regards to the use of switchbacks. I'm having a hard time imagining how a switchback or two is going to bypass the muddy area in the bog, and I'm hoping like mad that no one is talking of putting in switchbacks to take out that short, straight cliff of a climb down at the bottom.

    Anyway, June 19th works out great for me, so if that's the date, I'm in.
    A few valid points, im not in charge of the lower section that is what was told to me by Erik with lakewood parks and rec. I am having trouble with him getting back to me in the last two days. Maybe hes out of town. He just mentioned that is what is on the agenda for national trails day "the lower steep gully and a couple new switchbacks".

    As for the bog section: current trail crosses the widest part of the area that tends to stay wet almost year round. With a little bit of assessment it would be possible to add a couple switchbacks and cross a little bit higher and then tie into the existing trail. Result would be only having to build a turnpike over a much narrower wet section and try and repair the old one and let it heal back up. This was just a quick evaluation of it one day while riding. Not trying to just skip around the problem, but build a sustainable option that will last. The final plan is up to Lakewood as ive said, not mine. I am just providing some good folks to help out with the initial repair then it will be up to t.i.t.s. group/ myself that adopted this section to maintain for the next two years.

    As far as hauling in the materials i couldnt agree more, easier to haul down than up. There is not much room for an atv to get down there but there are some drop off points not too far above. Im hoping with nat. trails day the weekend before maybe they can stage some of the materials. That will all be worked out with Lakewood.

    So I will update just as soon as i know the official date which is looking to be the 12th. and look forward to meeting you and appreciate the willingness to get involved!

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    Quote Originally Posted by scooter2468
    You can cut through anything with a big enough chainsaw. As to the earlier question re: how to get materials up to the site... don't go up, come down. IOW, truck whatever is needed up the service road, then haul it down the trail w/ ATVs and trailers.

    BTW, I'm having a little trouble following some of the discussion, particularly with regards to the use of switchbacks. I'm having a hard time imagining how a switchback or two is going to bypass the muddy area in the bog, and I'm hoping like mad that no one is talking of putting in switchbacks to take out that short, straight cliff of a climb down at the bottom.

    Anyway, June 19th works out great for me, so if that's the date, I'm in.
    My experience with railroad ties and chainsaws is, depending on the wood the ties were made with, my chainsaw's cutting power went south fast. So yeah, first coupla cuts weren't bad, then, fuggetaboutit! And they're still heavier than a sumb!tch.
    So it seems to me to be, this thing that I think I see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PBR me!
    ...current trail crosses the widest part of the area that tends to stay wet almost year round...
    That still makes me think that there's a spring coming out near the bog. If this is the case, and the source can be located, and it appears feasible, maybe a ditch lined with geotextile with some gravel and dirt over the top could divert the water in a controlled way. This would preclude the need to re-route (which from the looks of the bog may not be possible due to extent of the wet area). We often completely dried out trails back east using this method.

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    Is the proposed work area above or below the existing turnpike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bulldozer
    Is the proposed work area above or below the existing turnpike?
    All of BoR is above (uphill, to the east) of C470. The particular area is just before you get to the really loose rocky section.

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    I know the trail in question. There is already a turnpike in the vicinity of the boggy area. I was wondering if the pictures shown are up the trail from that turnpike or below it.

    Quote Originally Posted by scooter2468
    All of BoR is above (uphill, to the east) of C470. The particular area is just before you get to the really loose rocky section.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bulldozer
    I know the trail in question. There is already a turnpike in the vicinity of the boggy area. I was wondering if the pictures shown are up the trail from that turnpike or below it.
    My bad... I thought your question didn't make sense, but it was due to me thinking you were referring to the highway. I didn't realize how you were using the term 'turnpike'. I assumed you were from MA or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snigs
    That still makes me think that there's a spring coming out near the bog. If this is the case, and the source can be located, and it appears feasible, maybe a ditch lined with geotextile with some gravel and dirt over the top could divert the water in a controlled way. This would preclude the need to re-route (which from the looks of the bog may not be possible due to extent of the wet area). We often completely dried out trails back east using this method.

    Just a suggestion......
    There is absolutely a spring in that area. I don't know how big it is, though... diversion/control might be a good tack if it's not too wide a spring.

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