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    No good Boulder>Ned, Ned>Boulder

    Looks like the words out, the bus to Ned made the “Scene” (pg. 25) in Bike this month. Sweet, nothing like a little national press to screw the pooch a bit more. They mention a “3000 foot decent back home” but luckily no directions. Thoughts?
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    saw that yesterday, boo. Now where is that private 2000+ acre trail system in a development they mentioned on the next page?

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    I saw that, too. I thought it was kind of funny. It made it seem like you take the bus to Ned, hit all kinds of freeride stunts, then a rippin' 3000 foot descent to Boulder.

    The private neighborhood, I'm sure, was Ken Caryl down by Deer Creek park.
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    happy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jugdish
    Thoughts?
    I thought that some people would get all bent out of shape.
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    Oh, I'm used to it. Thanks for the thoughts though.

    You know actually I wouldn't say that I'm bent about it, but since they are both rides crossing private property with plenty of access issues without the press I'd say it's irresponsible journalism to say the least.
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    Didn't see the article, but disappointing they would publish this. I believe I know all the Ned > Boulder offroad routes and not one of them is legal without private land owner permission.

    And, uh.. Ned freeride stunts? That still exists where?

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    That bus has been packed to the gills on Saturday mornings for years. I guess I don't see the big deal.
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    The good news is the timing of it. I'd bet most people will have totally forgotten about it by the time it melts next spring.

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    "Gone are the days when you knew everyone you'd run into in Ned," is pretty much what I thought.

    I guess I don't see it as irresponsible journalism, though. The article was pretty vague on routes. Looking at it from a strictly legal/land access point of view, there are tons of great mapped routes outside of Ned. There are several good, legal routes down to Boulder as well, but they involve spending at least a small time on dirt or paved roads.

    If someone saw that article and, for the first time ever, took the bus to Ned, they could ride all day legally, cruise back to Boulder on public land and still have a great time. No harm, no foul on that one. The majority of Ned riding is far from "stash" anymore.

    It's better press than the typical, "there's no riding in Boulder County" we usually get This is a great place to ride, but the promotion of such depends on your perspective, I guess...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ignazjr
    I guess I don't see it as irresponsible journalism, though. The article was pretty vague on routes. Looking at it from a strictly legal/land access point of view, there are tons of great mapped routes outside of Ned. There are several good, legal routes down to Boulder as well, but they involve spending at least a small time on dirt or paved roads.
    Can't go with you there. Given some of the land acquisitions over the past year there is not one fully legal route down to Boulder that starts within 5 miles of Ned unless you're riding roads more than 60% of the way. The few "social" routes that do exist are either on public land that is now technically closed for mtb access or on private land marked "no trespassing". I don't see how encouraging folks to hit illegal trail would be considered "good" journalism.

    On the plus side, I doubt much will come of the article. As Jdub said, most will have forgotten about it by the time the snow melts and the others are going to have a tough time finding anything outside of the published routes without a local guide.

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    I understand where you're coming from Thump, but the article didn't mention any singletrack, strictly that it was a 3000' descent to Boulder. It's still a hell of a ride if you spend the day riding the habitrails and adjoining jeep roads, then hit Magnolia to 68j/flagstaff or spend a few minutes on the road outside of Ned to come down via Switzerland trail/Sugarloaf road, etc. Again, not all singletrack, but a good day in the saddle all the same. The point I was making is that it's still a fun day to ride the published routes down to Boulder, even if they are on roads.

    Pick up the latest copy of Bike and read the article. It's about as vague as it could be.
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    I didn't think there was even any riding in Boulder County. Might have to go check this Ned place out.

    Honestly though, I can see why some of you guys would be frustrated. If someone started publishing some of the legal, lesser known trails around these parts, I'd be a little ticked off too. Just because public trails are public doesn't mean their existence needs to be advertised to the world. And if there are private trails or quasi-legal ones thrown in the mix, they definitely do not need to be hit with the public spotlight. It's like having a favorite bench in the park. It's totally public and it may seat five people, but eating lunch there every day is so much nicer when it's just you and the pigeons.
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    The Ned bus is the epitome of the Local Boulder Bike scene. I can't imagine masses, driving from outside, trying finding a parking spot to ride the N. I also can't imagine the vacationers flying out to Colorado, then choosing to ride the bus over the epics one would fly out for. It's probably a nice read in Bike, but I don't think it will change the scene.

    BTW, for those who have never ridden the N and back to Boulder, it's not a push-over shuttle ride. There is usually 40+ miles just from the Bus station round trip and there is some climbing back to boulder, after riding the trails that you took the bus up for. It's not a newbie ride.

    Last time I rode the N, I took the next bus after the 8:10 and there wasn't anyone on it.

    I'm not really that concerned. But I would love to read the piece.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lidarman
    BTW, for those who have never ridden the N and back to Boulder, it's not a push-over shuttle ride. There is usually 40+ miles just from the Bus station round trip and there is some climbing back to boulder, after riding the trails that you took the bus up for. It's not a newbie ride.
    Absolutely agree. String together the West Mag stuff, hit the dots and then make your way back and its a pretty big day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jugdish
    Yep, Ken Caryl, ridden there with some locals and the trails ARE indeed sweet. Bunch of cranky home owners though.
    Have you had an opportunity to try the newest addition to their trail quiver up there? If not, get a local to take you for a ride on it.

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    Nick, you've never ridden the northern sourdough or the south st. Vrain trals? You'd like them! Must do for next year.
    Most of the busloads of riders will never find the illegal trails anyway, so I don't see a big threat here.
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    I haven't done the ride in a few years

    The article did look a bit scary. The NED/West mag trails are so crowded anyway that I haven't done the bus in years. I always did enjoy the blue dots/68/Flagstaff ride, tho it is a strenuous XC ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade
    Nick, you've never ridden the northern sourdough or the south st. Vrain trails? You'd like them!
    I have ridden Sourdough and SSV and I did enjoy them. In fact, they were fantastic bits of trail. But are those the "Ned" trails that the article references? I thought it was the connecting stuff from Boulder to Ned... which I don't think those trails qualify for... do they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickle
    I have ridden Sourdough and SSV and I did enjoy them. In fact, they were fantastic bits of trail. But are those the "Ned" trails that the article references? I thought it was the connecting stuff from Boulder to Ned... which I don't think those trails qualify for... do they?
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    Well I don't know what the article is about either, but I have definitely used the bus to access those and the dots on the way back from the West Mag area are some nice tech singletrack too.

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    Nick, no, those aren't the trails in the Ned article, those are several miles north of ned. The ned trails aren't anything like the sourdough and SSV trails in terms of character or quality, IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade
    Nick, no, those aren't the trails in the Ned article, those are several miles north of ned.
    But easily accessible via the Ned bus if you don't mind the Eldora Caribou Epic or riding on the Peak to Peak...which I enjoy FWIW...Lots of Options once you get off the Bus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmy
    The article did look a bit scary. The NED/West mag trails are so crowded anyway that I haven't done the bus in years. I always did enjoy the blue dots/68/Flagstaff ride, tho it is a strenuous XC ride.
    West Mag is crowded? Sure, it's nothing like it was years ago, but on several Saturday rides up there I've only had to stop once or twice for other riders.
    Take the long cut, we'll get there eventually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Debaser
    West Mag is crowded? Sure, it's nothing like it was years ago, but on several Saturday rides up there I've only had to stop once or twice for other riders.
    Circa 1999 the Hobit trails were such that we picked up out bikes, walked 100 feet to the trail to proceed. The ladders, etc were there.

    This summer, final Forest service signs were put in on these 18 inch wide paths and the BMA had a full force of bike patrollers. It gets busy on some days and you will find lots cars lined up along West Mag road.

    According to BMA meetings, West mag is now one of the first trails that new riders hit in Boulder county once they leave the city area. Betasso is another.

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    Nope.. Nothing to see here. Please move along.

    I hear Apex is the real place to be.

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    Umm...

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    How much, and steerer length?

    And for the record, NSD & SSV are just too much fun to bother with...
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    Oh and BTW, Jeff Q on meadowland ct. I received your Bike magazine this month in my mailbox, I'm trying to finish it tonight and get it out to you. Sorry our postman sucks so much.

    If you see this let me know where your mailbox is, maybe on magnolia?

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    So...

    Quote Originally Posted by Jdub
    Absolutely agree. String together the West Mag stuff, hit the dots and then make your way back and its a pretty big day.
    It's like 'Super West Mag'?

    Rode that stuff from Ridge Rd. for a couple of years, when we lived down that way, fun, but I like the 'North County' better...

    Dot trails were very cool, though...
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    Private trails ???

    I too was wondering about the mention of the "private trails." Ken Caryl has many private trails. However, some of the prime, private trails (that actually connect with Ken Caryl trails) are located in the west side of the Willow Springs subdivision. These trails are tight, twisty, and quite smooth. Nothing really technically challenging, but a beautiful area.
    Could the Ken Caryl/Willow Springs trails be the ones that they are talking about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by daveM
    It's like 'Super West Mag'?

    Rode that stuff from Ridge Rd. for a couple of years, when we lived down that way, fun, but I like the 'North County' better...
    Funny how that is so close to your house Dave.

    I'm holding out for the AP bus route from Boulder.

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    I'm with DaveM. North County is where it's at. Or would that be NW County? Whenever I have the time, PV is where I go. The nice thing about it is that you can show 15 riders and maybe only a couple will like it enough to go back. Keeps the crowds low.
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    The cat is out of the bag, and it has been running wild for more years than most of you recreational, big suspension, no originality, buy new shi_ to make you ride better losers have been riding. It is no secret that the bus is used to get to the goods. There is no mention of any locations or otherwise in the blurb, so do not worry, your not so secret is safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dr gon
    The cat is out of the bag, and it has been running wild for more years than most of you recreational, big suspension, no originality, buy new shi_ to make you ride better losers have been riding. It is no secret that the bus is used to get to the goods. There is no mention of any locations or otherwise in the blurb, so do not worry, your not so secret is safe.
    I'm more concerned that I'm a recreational, big suspension, no originality, buy new shi_ to make you ride better loser. Hits a little close to home.
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    I'm concerned about the recreational part. Should I be riding for spiritual purification, or monetary gain, instead of just for fun?
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    All the good trails are in Lyons. In fact one of my new favorites is over there.

    There really isn't anything all that secret up in Ned anymore. If there is will someone PEASE show me where it is?

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    I just recently completed building a shuttle accessed, downhill only trail that crosses seven different parcels of private property. I'll post directions to it here shortly. The trail is for big suspension, no originality, buy new shi_ to make you ride better losers, so leave your one speed all steel rigid pieces of karmic crap at home.
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    Good stuff Renny. Guess I need a bigger bike to hit that YO!

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    winter depression seems to be settling nicely

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade
    I'm concerned about the recreational part. Should I be riding for spiritual purification, or monetary gain, instead of just for fun?
    Well there probably about 19 "spiritual centers" in the hills between Ned and Boulder, so you can take the bus up and get your namaste on, on the way back down, if spiritual purification is what you seek.

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    Good job! Dr Gon

    This DR GON fella seems a little surly this morning. He does seem to be onto something with the comment though. Seems as if some people think they have a hold on the good stuff up in Ned. I have a little secret though: there are " secret " trails still up in Ned . I KNOW they are secret because I built them and I would see your tracks because the trail is so pristine it's easy to pick up on if anyone had been there. One clue: you have to be able to ride your bike uphill very well to access them....NED see you in 2008...WWWWWUUUUHHHHHH !!!!!!!! NEDITATE !!!!!!!!

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    R kelly... er um... R steve, how's about sharing the love with a ned local?

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    Not

    Not after a comment linking me to R kelly. Create some for yourself ( or show me some I don't know about ) and then we can talk. Blood , sweat, and some tears are required. Calling Mongoila Chronicles: where 's it at ....????

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    Quote Originally Posted by R steve
    I have a little secret though: there are " secret " trails still up in Ned . I KNOW they are secret because I built them and I would see your tracks because the trail is so pristine it's easy to pick up on if anyone had been there.
    Oooohh.. I've got a game trail that goes through my back yard too.. It's mine, all mine! I'll never share.. My precioooous.

    Dude relax, it's a beaten earth track, not a chest full of hundred year old railroad stocks. If you don't have at least some traffic then mother nature will take back the trail anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R steve
    Not after a comment linking me to R kelly. Create some for yourself ( or show me some I don't know about ) and then we can talk. Blood , sweat, and some tears are required. Calling Mongoila Chronicles: where 's it at ....????
    jokes man, trying to keep it light. Any way I might have something for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thump
    Oooohh.. I've got a game trail that goes through my back yard too.. It's mine, all mine! I'll never share.. My precioooous.

    Dude relax, it's a beaten earth track, not a chest full of hundred year old railroad stocks. If you don't have at least some traffic then mother nature will take back the trail anyway.
    Relax, you relax. How do you what he speaks of. I am mad

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    Quote Originally Posted by dr gon
    Relax, you relax. How do you what he speaks of. I am mad
    Mad, you mad. I just have really bad breath
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    Quote Originally Posted by dr gon
    Relax, you relax. How do you what he speaks of. I am mad
    Now we have two folks with their panties in a bunch.. You may want to consider changing your handle to "dr gyn".

    So, which of you regulars got bored enough to start a profile for trolling anyway? I know it's winter, but you can't be that bored yet.

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    Having done the bus thing a few times, and each time only seeing a handful of bikers on it: meh.

    There are several other trail things around Boulder that have been known about, and in freakin' guidebooks even for years, and they get very little traffic relative to the O.S. stuff closer to the metro area.

    I just don't see this making the Ned trails suddenly more crowded than they already are. Speaking of that, even on supposedly crowded weekends up there, I never saw very many people.
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    Thump

    Thump does not seem to get the trail issues in Ned. Good luck finding the goods ...It's just like surfing on someone else's break..... BTW- people do ride the secret trails they just don't post the locations on the Web...

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    Quote Originally Posted by scrublover
    Having done the bus thing a few times,
    Its happening! We've already got this East Coaster guy Scrublover riding the Ned trails!

    That's it, I'm off to camouflage my secret downhill trail I built on the west side of Longmont.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thump

    So, which of you regulars got bored enough to start a profile for trolling anyway? I know it's winter, but you can't be that bored yet.
    Not me; I do all my trolling with one user name. Dr gin&tonic sounds like one of those wackohippy singlespeeder dudes who lives in Eldora in a cabin with no heat or running water.
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    Quote Originally Posted by R steve
    Thump does not seem to get the trail issues in Ned. Good luck finding the goods ...It's just like surfing on someone else's break..... BTW- people do ride the secret trails they just don't post the locations on the Web...
    Yup.. complete Ned noob here. Now there's this trailhead about a 100 feet from my property line that I've heard connects to some "dot" trails? Are those okay for bikes too? I dunno these things.. Wish I had some of your special super secret Ned bike knowledge. I should probably turn in my seat on the zoning board in shame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade
    Not me; I do all my trolling with one user name. Dr gin&tonic sounds like one of those wackohippy singlespeeder dudes who lives in Eldora in a cabin with no heat or running water.
    I'm sure he'd reply to that accusation but his turn on the library computer is over for the day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thump
    I'm sure he'd reply to that accusation but his turn on the library computer is over for the day.
    ouch, lol

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    NED just closed for you......

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    That's funny; Thump, Nooby, and myself live there. Does this mean we can't go home tonight? Will you be waiting at the entrance to town, with a gang of angry Nimby's, to turn us around?
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    Damn.. I just told the wife to get the kids packed. Sucks I'll have to put my house on the market this time of year.

    Anyone looking for a couple acres of mountaintop property? You'll just need to apply for a permit through R_steve before making offers.

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    Thump, look at the bright side. You can cut off the dreadlocks you've been trying to grow, and you can finally shower more than once a month now.
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    Nah.. I'll just move back to Boulder and buy a cruiser bike and some tight jeans.

    That is unless R_steve has that town locked up too.

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    Having gone back and re-read my original post I realize I wasn't clear on my issue with the article (not that it matters after reading the train wreck that this has become, my apologies). My problem was the "3000 foot decent back home" part and how that was so vague. No mention of the private property issues and the fact that to legally do this (to my admittedly limited knowledge) a large portion, as mentioned, would have to be on pavement.

    I agree the cat's been out of the bag for a number of years up there, I simply feel as though the article seems to imply that there is a rippin' 3000 feet of ST to drop you back into Boulder.

    Back to your bickering...
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    Quote Originally Posted by nOOby
    winter depression seems to be settling nicely
    Hey! F YOU!

    Nothing like some online hair pulling during daylight savings to let out some of the aggression that would otherwise be left in the dirt.
    Now with more vitriol!

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    ****ing flatlanders

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    You guys can have your secret trails in Ned. I have a hard time believing that they could compare to the uber-core project north of Highlands Ranch, nastiest stuff I've ever ridden, bar-none. And accessible to boot


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    Quote Originally Posted by Godzilla
    Hey! F YOU!

    Nothing like some online hair pulling during daylight savings to let out some of the aggression that would otherwise be left in the dirt.
    Hey.. shouldn't you be hiding and cowering in fear somewhere making sure that Bambam doesn't hunt you down?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thump
    Hey.. shouldn't you be hiding and cowering in fear somewhere making sure that Bambam doesn't hunt you down?

    I am, I'm hiding behind the warm, soft veil of anonymity afforded me by this here intraweb - confident that I can speak and act as I wish, with impunity.
    Now with more vitriol!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jugdish
    I agree the cat's been out of the bag for a number of years up there, I simply feel as though the article seems to imply that there is a rippin' 3000 feet of ST to drop you back into Boulder.

    Back to your bickering...
    Hey, you started the thread so if you don't like where it's going you can just PM the mod to close it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Godzilla
    You guys can have your secret trails in Ned. I have a hard time believing that they could compare to the uber-core project north of Highlands Ranch, nastiest stuff I've ever ridden, bar-none. And accessible to boot
    Yeah, I've heard that'll be like the new Apex.. Hmmm, where'd I put my fullface?

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    the internets are a cool, dark place

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    Ned

    I am only protecting the trails just like you do.You should respect a little more and steer clear of any personal attacks ......

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    are you talking to me because seriously the R kelly thing was simply a joke? A bad one at that. Otherwise there was no personal attacks going on as far as I can tell(from me).

    Sorry to have hurt your feelings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R steve
    I am only protecting the trails just like you do.You should respect a little more and steer clear of any personal attacks ......
    No Ned for you!

    Sorry, guess I got a little sensitive when you closed down the town..

    I'm glad to hear we've got you to keep things buttoned down. If you need backup I'm sure "mad" Dr Gon and his Eldora crew would be happy to whip out the water bongs and hemp lashes to deliver some beatdowns.

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    Wink ?

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    This thread is like nerf darts.

    Goofy and everyone is just giggling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jdub
    Its happening! We've already got this East Coaster guy Scrublover riding the Ned trails!

    That's it, I'm off to camouflage my secret downhill trail I built on the west side of Longmont.
    Hey, I gotta' come and visit. Stuff here tends to be climb/descend/climb/descendclimb/descend, as opposed to climbclimbclimb/descenddescenddescend of Colorado. Sweet stuff, and steep. Some of the short clmbs are f'ing brutal; not a lot of switchbacks, and full of roots/rocks, since they tend to be shorter in nature. The Gravity Dropper post is getting a lot of use. No need for an adjustable travel fork, really. Just leave it in the long setting and grunt up the short steeps. The longer (greater than a couple hundred feet at a time) climbs tend to be in upper NY, NH, ME, and VT. There are several lift spots within 2-3 hours of me, too. Hoping to get aquainted with some of them next summer.



    DH trail on the west of Longmont, eh? That'd be a neat trick.
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    Oh boy I'm getting tired of all this hubub about the secret Ned to Boulder trail. I'm gonna let the cat out of the bag and tell everyone how to find it so this goes away.
    Bredo Morstoel's pecker is pointing straight at the trailhead.

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    I am worried that you know this

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    Quote Originally Posted by jugdish
    Having gone back and re-read my original post I realize I wasn't clear on my issue with the article (not that it matters after reading the train wreck that this has become, my apologies). My problem was the "3000 foot decent back home" part and how that was so vague. No mention of the private property issues and the fact that to legally do this (to my admittedly limited knowledge) a large portion, as mentioned, would have to be on pavement.

    I agree the cat's been out of the bag for a number of years up there, I simply feel as though the article seems to imply that there is a rippin' 3000 feet of ST to drop you back into Boulder.

    Back to your bickering...
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