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    Quote Originally Posted by xcguy View Post
    Don't ignore the used market, there are deals to be had:
    Buwahhh... I bet after all that photoshop knowledge I dropped on you - you'd be willing to cut me a killer deal!? Ha think ill pass but thanks!


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    Quote Originally Posted by xcguy View Post
    For you, Pau11y, tree fiddy.
    How kind are you!
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    [QUOTE=Kstateskier;9785833]Buwahhh... I bet after all that photoshop knowledge I dropped on you - you'd be willing to cut me a killer deal!? Ha think ill pass but thanks!

    I'm still wading through your tutorial.
    So it seems to me to be, this thing that I think I see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    Your '88 walmart special? Lemme guess, you're trying to get $550 for it?
    If that's an '88, next really was ahead of the curve in design.

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    If you're moving to Colorado, why aren't you looking at a Yeti?

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    Because they are nocturnal creatures, and don't like to be ridden?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bipolarbear View Post
    If that's an '88, next really was ahead of the curve in design.
    Creative licensing... I'm pretty sure I'm off by about an order of magnitude on all values stated. Just playing a "Republican" w/ my numbers
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    Quote Originally Posted by wkd-rdr View Post
    "i wish my bike didn't have a saddle," said no one, ever.
    ftfy.



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    If you're moving to The Front Range™, why aren't you looking at a fully rigid singlespeed 29'er?
    ftfy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbabuser View Post
    Because they are nocturnal creatures, and don't like to be ridden?
    Thanks to headlamps, nocturnal and ridden do not have to be mutually exclusive!

    My Yeti loves to ride in the dark.

    Everything the poster has said so far is screaming for a ASR5 or a SB95 if he insists on the big wheels.


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    With a $5-6K budget, I'd be looking at getting two bikes, one for xc, and one for DH. Just saying, never understood the allure of a $6k bike, unless you are racing.

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    Seriously, does one really need to spend $5-6k these days? I'd have thought $2.5k tops. Where did the estimate of a $5000 range for a top quality bike come from anyway?
    So it seems to me to be, this thing that I think I see.

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    Go poke around at a bike shop

    Quote Originally Posted by xcguy View Post
    Seriously, does one really need to spend $5-6k these days? I'd have thought $2.5k tops. Where did the estimate of a $5000 range for a top quality bike come from anyway?
    I know you don't ride, but have you actually looked at any bike price tags lately? It's dead easy to spend 5 grand on a bike these days. Hell, a decent fork is a grand now.

    I'm not saying that you need to. There are lots of great options between 2 and 3K depending on what you want.

    So need? No. But if the definition is top quality, yeah, 5-6K is a reality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xcguy View Post
    Seriously, does one really need to spend $5-6k these days? I'd have thought $2.5k tops. Where did the estimate of a $5000 range for a top quality bike come from anyway?
    Um, I'm gonna go with people who actually ride bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bipolarbear View Post
    With a $5-6K budget, I'd be looking at getting two bikes, one for xc, and one for DH. Just saying, never understood the allure of a $6k bike, unless you are racing.
    Imagine what a fellar could do at the Swap with 6K.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xcguy View Post
    Seriously, does one really need to spend $5-6k these days? I'd have thought $2.5k tops. Where did the estimate of a $5000 range for a top quality bike come from anyway?
    You can look at $2500 bikes all day long but coming off an ultegra carbon Tarmac I stare at the substandard components and shudder... I nitpick all day long, "ohh I could upgrade this to this, and that to that. Oh I wish this was fox float instead of shox, too bad the seat stay isn't carbon... The wheels, omg the wheels!"

    See it goes on forever, next thing you know you're checkbook is $6k on the light side!

    I actually swung a leg over a camber comp 29er last night. I liked it at $2600, it's spec'd decent. I think with $800 wheel upgrades, a seat dropper and a chain guide plus tax it will come in around $3500... I really liked that, it'd leave me cash left over for whatever later. Will get ride this weekend along with a stumpy FSR 29er, and an epic comp... Still holding out to test ride a Tallboy LT, Rocky Mountain altitude, a yeti sb95 would be a nice test ride, no dealers near me...


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    Honestly I have bought many bikes in my life, I upgrade almost every year (one year XC/AM bike, the next year DH bike) and I have totally given up on buying a new bike. They are like cars and lose their value so fast.

    I find what I want and search craiglist, pinkbike and ebay for the bike I want in the condition I want it to be in and then I pull the trigger. So far this has worked out great with one exception of a bike not as advertised and I filed a paypal dispute and amicably we came to an agreement and I got my money refunded.

    Last winter I found a slightly used 2011 spesh Demo 8 on ebay for a great price, I could sell it for probably 600-1000 more today after a seasons use, but I will keep it.

    This fall I upgraded my 2010 enduro to a 2012 enduro that I found on craiglist for a great price, the upgrade cost me $150 after selling my old bike.

    So many people buy bikes and don't ride them much, look around, be patient. I can't say that i will never spend 5-6k on a bike, but I really can't imagine doing that, seems wasteful when there are so many used ones out there.

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    OP,
    Have you looked at the used market lately? Those TBLTcs are starting to show up. There's at least a couple of them on the Denver CL. This one's in Steamboat: 2012/13 Carbon Santa Cruz Tallboy LT size L
    Looks like the same build KerryN's bike, and it isn't even $5K
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kstateskier View Post
    I actually swung a leg over a camber comp 29er last night. I liked it at $2600, it's spec'd decent. I think with $800 wheel upgrades, a seat dropper and a chain guide plus tax it will come in around $3500... I really liked that, it'd leave me cash left over for whatever later. Will get ride this weekend along with a stumpy FSR 29er, and an epic comp... Still holding out to test ride a Tallboy LT, Rocky Mountain altitude, a yeti sb95 would be a nice test ride, no dealers near me...
    You would do better to wait until you get here and either rent or demo the
    bikes you are interested in and ride them on local trails.

    You can rent or demo almost all the bikes you mentioned.

    FWIW I have heard the geometry on the TB isn't so great for our type of
    riding and I can vouch for the Yeti's being dialed in for local trails. They
    are local. They do R&D on the same trails you will be riding on. Very nice
    bikes.

    Besides, when you buy local your sales tax supports Open Space
    Parks and Trails.


    With that said. I have a friend who just bought the Camber HT. I think he
    paid about $1K less than what you are looking at.

    And you really don't need XO or XTR. You're going to tear equipment up so
    fast that buying mid-range parts is the way to go IMHO. It's your money
    though.

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    Anything with two wheels that you can pedal.

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    Wut chu talkin' about Willis?!

    Quote Originally Posted by UncleTrail View Post
    FWIW I have heard the geometry on the TB isn't so great for our type of
    riding and I can vouch for the Yeti's being dialed in for local trails. They
    are local. They do R&D on the same trails you will be riding on. Very nice
    bikes.


    Maybe the TB... But the LTc flavor of that bike...me likey lots!
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    I'll throw in my two cents... Pivot Mach 5.7. Great all-arounder. Super stiff laterally. Great climber ( dw link). Competent/Fun descender. I think it has a snappier feel to it compared to other mid-long travel FS bikes I've tried. And you don't see a lot of them out there (a trait I like).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post

    Maybe the TB... But the LTc flavor of that bike...me likey lots!
    Sorry I didn't mean to diss your bike. Everyone has their preferences.
    And speaking from experience. What works well in Texas may not
    work very well here.

    Like for me. I love riding my Dekerf. But my back hurts like **** after 3
    hours of climbing to somewhere like Frosty's. On my Yeti I can ride 6 hours
    without the pain... a little heavier, but it's an easy tradeoff.

    You really need to ride it up/down a 10%+ slope trail to get the feel for
    sitting in the saddle. Remember you're going to be in the saddle climbing for
    30 minutes to several hours at a time depending. Downhills are long too.

    I think that's the point I was trying to make.

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    You have to spend at least 5-6k if you want carbon wheels. And who doesn't want carbon wheels?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbabuser View Post
    And who doesn't want time bombs?
    Fixed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    Looks like the same build KerryN's bike, and it isn't even $5K
    I hate you. I did not want to know about that!

    I could get a pretty decent hardtail for the price difference between that and what I paid for mine. Anyway my bike is better. I have a 3x10 transmission not that fad of 2x10. That's why the bike is cheap. It's missing a chainring...

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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleTrail View Post
    Besides, when you buy local your sales tax supports Open Space
    Parks and Trails.
    That's bad, right? Didn't you just say this in another thread?
    "The only thing those little open space barriers do is enrich real estate agents and land owners who already own property."

    Not trying to threadjack, just confused on whether or not you think buying a bike locally is a good thing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ignazjr View Post
    That's bad, right? Didn't you just say this in another thread?
    "The only thing those little open space barriers do is enrich real estate agents and land owners who already own property."

    Not trying to threadjack, just confused on whether or not you think buying a bike locally is a good thing?
    Not a problem. I want you guys to understand the negative aspects of
    Conservation Easements.

    You're taking my statements out of context.

    I was talking about Conservation Easements placed on private property to
    create open space buffers. That's the situation on the north and south
    sides of Colorado Springs. Also around Boulder where CE's have been
    placed on those little family farms.

    You can't ride on that kind of open space. FOREVER.
    Really sucks IMHO.

    It's open space yes. But the limitations placed on the property with the CE
    prevents any parks or trails being built on it, forever. (unless they were
    written into the original CE)

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    Quote Originally Posted by kerryn View Post
    I hate you. I did not want to know about that!
    Suck it up Nancy!
    You don't need the big ring, just use less brakes!
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobertHurst View Post
    It might though.
    True, it might. Bikes are indeed fun, and I did have a summer fling with a rigid bike not long ago. Taught me a lot. Not something I would want to do daily or on long rides. Just somethin to break up the monotony on familiar trails.

    I feel very fortunate, however, to be in a position to debate the merits of such rad bikes (with seats).
    the drugs made me realize it's not about the drugs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kstateskier View Post
    You can look at $2500 bikes all day long but coming off an ultegra carbon Tarmac I stare at the substandard components and shudder... I nitpick all day long, "ohh I could upgrade this to this, and that to that. Oh I wish this was fox float instead of shox, too bad the seat stay isn't carbon... The wheels, omg the wheels!"

    See it goes on forever, next thing you know you're checkbook is $6k on the light side!

    I actually swung a leg over a camber comp 29er last night. I liked it at $2600, it's spec'd decent. I think with $800 wheel upgrades, a seat dropper and a chain guide plus tax it will come in around $3500... I really liked that, it'd leave me cash left over for whatever later. Will get ride this weekend along with a stumpy FSR 29er, and an epic comp... Still holding out to test ride a Tallboy LT, Rocky Mountain altitude, a yeti sb95 would be a nice test ride, no dealers near me...


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    Like xcguy and a couple others, I have no idea why you'd spend $5-6k on a bike. $800 wheels, top of the line components, carbon bits? Unless you're making money racing, why bother? Someone else mentioned getting two... that's what I'd do with that kind of money. Get a nicely spec'd 1-2 yr old 29er for longer rides, and get a 6" travel 26" bike for having fun around here.

    I have a Trek HiFi Pro 29er and a Carbon Nomad, both purchased as used one-year old bikes for prices you wouldn't believe. I couldn't be happier for the terrain we have in Colorado.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smmokan View Post
    ... I have no idea why you'd spend $5-6k on a bike. $800 wheels, top of the line components, carbon bits? Unless you're making money racing, why bother? ...
    Opstay ellingtay ethay exantay otay avesay oneymay

    Guys, guys... a Texan wants to bring a big stack of cash to Colorado and give it to one of our bike shops? Would you stop this crazy talk about how he shouldn't do it?

    Think: Texas money being spent in Colorado... this has been making Colorado's world go around since the Great Depression.

    Shut up now!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomP View Post
    Stop

    Opstay ellingtay ethay exantay otay avesay oneymay

    Guys, guys... a Texan wants to bring a big stack of cash to Colorado and give it to one of our bike shops? Would you stop this crazy talk about how he shouldn't do it?

    Think: Texas money being spent in Colorado... this has been making Colorado's world go around since the Great Depression.

    Shut up now!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    I'm pretty sure the new intarwebz spelling is now "STAHP"...
    Moar intarwebz spellings pleaz! Bring da lulz!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomP View Post
    Moar intarwebz spellings pleaz! Bring da lulz!
    Where is the KFC? He's been missing in action for a while now...no moar lulz :/
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    I am certainly NOT A TEXAN, I'm from KANSAS! I only work in Texas.

    You guys are right I'm hunting for used here in the land of big trucks... Thanks for showing me the error of my ways!


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    Quote Originally Posted by TomP View Post
    I know you don't ride, but have you actually looked at any bike price tags lately? It's dead easy to spend 5 grand on a bike these days. Hell, a decent fork is a grand now.
    I think people are referring to what they actually spend. Retail is the price tag you mentioned, who the he!l pays retail?

    I have 2 $6k+ bikes. I paid about $6k for both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kstateskier View Post
    I am certainly NOT A TEXAN, I'm from KANSAS
    Better luck next time!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomP View Post
    Moar intarwebz spellings pleaz! Bring da lulz!
    Stop it now please! Otherwise I am going to have to thumbs down TomP for lowering my IQ.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kstateskier View Post
    I am certainly NOT A TEXAN, I'm from KANSAS! ...
    Sorry about that, it was uncalled for. Below the belt.

    But if you are working in Texas, your money is from there. Still a correct thing to spend money in Colorado that was made in Texas.

    Getting a used bike is a good call. But once you're here, demo some bikes. You may or may not find that there's a better fit for you than whatever you bring with you...
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    ... who the he!l pays retail? ...
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    Texans.
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    From my limited experience here in the land of six guns and mud tires most texans are decent peeps. It's the over zealous ones that give Texas a bad name... Of course in Kansas it's the Jayhawks that give Kansas a bad name! Ha


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kstateskier View Post
    From my limited experience here in the land of six guns and mud tires most texans are decent peeps. It's the over zealous ones that give Texas a bad name... Of course in Kansas it's the Jayhawks that give Kansas a bad name! Ha...
    I have to explain a little--looks like I have a hatred but it's not true. I actually have known quite a few very nice Texans, and I have two very good nieces who were born down there. My comments are tongue-in-cheek. Mostly.

    It's an old classic thing about the animosity of CO people toward Texans. And here's the story I got from my Dad, a 2nd generation native who grew up in SE CO (Las Animas and Rocky Ford) during the depression:

    Back in the 30s when things got really bad for Colorado farmers, especially in the lower Arkansas Valley, foreclosures were almost universal. The banks were taking virtually all the farms. My grandfather had inheirited an irrigated farm that he lost in about 1936. He wound up dying in 1940 when my dad was 8.

    So the bank owned all this farmland. Who bought it? Oil rich Texans bought lots of it. Few of them farmed, they either rented out their land to the people who used to own it or just let it sit there.

    So, there was a little resentment... and it lives even today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomP View Post
    I have to explain a little--looks like I have a hatred but it's not true. I actually have known quite a few very nice Texans, and I have two very good nieces who were born down there. My comments are tongue-in-cheek. Mostly.

    It's an old classic thing about the animosity of CO people toward Texans. And here's the story I got from my Dad, a 2nd generation native who grew up in SE CO (Las Animas and Rocky Ford) during the depression:

    Back in the 30s when things got really bad for Colorado farmers, especially in the lower Arkansas Valley, foreclosures were almost universal. The banks were taking virtually all the farms. My grandfather had inheirited an irrigated farm that he lost in about 1936. He wound up dying in 1940 when my dad was 8.

    So the bank owned all this farmland. Who bought it? Oil rich Texans bought lots of it. Few of them farmed, they either rented out their land to the people who used to own it or just let it sit there.

    So, there was a little resentment... and it lives even today.
    I can understand that... I'm certainly not offended...


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    Quote Originally Posted by TomP View Post
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    Texans.
    Well played.
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    So... back to the question at hand...

    I wound up going through a series of used bikes, a Giant Trance X2 26er, a Gary Fisher Supercaliber 29er, which broke and required a ton of suspension repairs, front and rear, a new hardtail Niner frame with the Fisher's old parts on it, and now a new Niner JET9 frame with some of the Fisher's old parts on it mixed with some used higher end bits from Veloswap and new wheels and such.

    It would have been much cheaper for me to just buy a fully specc'ed JET9 when I got here with decent new components on it, X9 or XT, than pay all the repairs and buy new frames and such. I use the bike enough that finding deals on used stuff isn't actually cost effective because I'm using them enough that they break.

    If I were arriving in Colorado today, knowing what I know now, I'd buy a Yeti SB-95 with a 2x10 full XT build, a dropper post (not Crank Bros), and a Fox 34 front end. If I were arriving in Colorado when you're arriving, depending on how long it takes Yeti to finish it, I'd wait for the SB-95c, because carbon. And I don't think the bike is going to retail for that much more than the Al version.

    Yeti's local, they know what they're doing... for the Front Range.
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    The yeti is a cool bike. Niner is local to the front range as well, I recently went to a trail day and the whole niner crew was there. And I love my Jet9 on front range trails.
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    Yeti, not the coolers!

    Quote Originally Posted by hirschmj View Post
    So... back to the question at hand...

    If I were arriving in Colorado today, knowing what I know now, I'd buy a Yeti SB-95 with a 2x10 full XT build, a dropper post (not Crank Bros), and a Fox 34 front end. If I were arriving in Colorado when you're arriving, depending on how long it takes Yeti to finish it, I'd wait for the SB-95c, because carbon. And I don't think the bike is going to retail for that much more than the Al version.

    Yeti's local, they know what they're doing... for the Front Range.
    Yeti is a good lookin rig - I like all the reviews both by mag/online reviewers as well as actual riders on this forum. I'm adding them to my short list and will try and find one to test ride. The SB-95 looks like a great all around bike like I'm searching for. I do like they're made in the CO front range as well.

    Thanks that's some of the best advice yet

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    I wonder is the ASR-5 650b compatible?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kstateskier View Post
    I wonder is the ASR-5 650b compatible?


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    How tall are you? If you want something to 650b: Santa Cruz Bicycles

    Here's the full list: Santa Cruz Bicycles
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kstateskier View Post
    I wonder is the ASR-5 650b compatible?


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    The SB-66 is. I think. Also comes in carbon
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