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    Bergen Peak

    Rode this yesterday. Clockwise. Frickin' awesome ride for sure. I'm wondering how often this thing gets cleaned (the climb), and additionally, what are some folks climb times who do clean it. Haven't cleaned it yet, although getting closer - my goal for this season. ...decided to turn around at the Bergen/Too Long junction and descend Bergen, quite the fun DH (IMHO, descending Begen has more flow, but Too Long has its merits as well)
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    Wow, Bergen is rideable in early March!? That's definitely a first. The trail's not too hard to clean, it just takes lots of aerobic fitness. If you can go from parking lot to summit in under an hour, you're moving pretty well.
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    The steep, sustained hill once you make the south ridge is the killer for me fitness-wise. Sure seems like the parking lot to summit climb makes other front range climbs seem short.
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    +1 on surprised to hear its ridable, I made it to 8700ft the other day, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
    The ride is very cleanable up, and definately one of my favorites on the FR

    If you rode it clockwise, you surely met my nemesis...
    The rock that pertrudes out at about chest height, about 1/2 way down, a little techy underneath, with a tree right after it.

    Haven't ever been able to manuever around it.

    Ate sh1t there many years back, now I walk it with my head hung low... pretending not to hear the rock laugh as I walk my bike around it....

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    Hmmm, I've hiked this once, but it was a few years back. I don't remember anything about clockwise or counter. Where does the split happen?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbjedi1
    Wow, Bergen is rideable in early March!? That's definitely a first. The trail's not too hard to clean, it just takes lots of aerobic fitness. If you can go from parking lot to summit in under an hour, you're moving pretty well.
    Define "not too hard". I've never seen someone clean the whole thing without going back to try again. So yeah, never seen a no-dab up that climb, and I ride with some of the best riders on the front range. Hate this kind of post, but saying it isn't "too hard" is the understatement of the year so far...so far..

    anyway, I'm stoked to hear it is dry this early. its been a pretty crazily mild winter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbjedi1
    Wow, Bergen is rideable in early March!? That's definitely a first. The trail's not too hard to clean, it just takes lots of aerobic fitness. If you can go from parking lot to summit in under an hour, you're moving pretty well.
    there is EPO use and some sort of fish paralyzer you have to take to make that a easy climb!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottay5150
    there is EPO use and some sort of fish paralyzer you have to take to make that a easy climb!
    Hear that ... I almost cleaned it once, but I had just a minor foot dab when I stopped to puke and pass out
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    I don't think it counts as a dab if you only touch your own vomit.

    Thanks for the trail report.

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    Defintely a brutal, yet awesome ride. Try too hard and the puke-factor can go up quickly. I pretend to stop and enjoy the view by choice...and have accidentally discovered it really enhances the ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 69erSycip
    Define "not too hard".


    Either that or define "clean". The person that can clean it all and make it look "...not too hard..." is Superman in my book. And Superman is a fictional character.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 69erSycip
    Define "not too hard". I've never seen someone clean the whole thing without going back to try again. So yeah, never seen a no-dab up that climb, and I ride with some of the best riders on the front range. Hate this kind of post, but saying it isn't "too hard" is the understatement of the year so far...so far..

    anyway, I'm stoked to hear it is dry this early. its been a pretty crazily mild winter.
    not too hard = cleanable every time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbjedi1
    not too hard = cleanable every time.
    Well, you sound confident and maybe have done it. Definitely impressive. No stops, no dabs, no shoulders/hands against trunks, no do-overs, clipped in all the way, clean from bottom to tippy-top, and then top to bottom - not too hard

    Funny thing is, now my gf is all over cleaning the whole thing. She looked at me like I had three heads when I told it was near impossible. I've seen her clean an awful lot on that climb but not all at once. She is now on a mission and I will be a mere spectator...if I can keep her in my sights

    I usually climb and descend Too Long, definitely my favorite trail. I can't stand the southern trail for some reason.

    This reminds me of "The Wall" challenge.

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    I have to agree with mtbjedi. Bergen is not that tough technically. If you've got the lungs it's doable . Too Long isn't. Some of those switchbacks are tight and LOOSE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by edemtbs
    Well, you sound confident and maybe have done it. Definitely impressive. No stops, no dabs, no shoulders/hands against trunks, no do-overs, clipped in all the way, clean from bottom to tippy-top, and then top to bottom - not too hard

    Funny thing is, now my gf is all over cleaning the whole thing. She looked at me like I had three heads when I told it was near impossible. I've seen her clean an awful lot on that climb but not all at once. She is now on a mission and I will be a mere spectator...if I can keep her in my sights

    I usually climb and descend Too Long, definitely my favorite trail. I can't stand the southern trail for some reason.

    This reminds me of "The Wall" challenge.

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    The Wall appears to be really hard now, and I haven't been down there since before the stairs were put in. Note what I said - "not too hard" doesn't mean it's easy by any stretch. There are certainly folk who can clean it every time - unlike the Wall. I think even Jungle Jay Henry wouldn't clean the Wall every time. I also agree about the descent down Too Long - super fun!
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    bad link? didn't work for me...
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbjedi1
    bad link? didn't work for me...
    I guess that means it's impossible.

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    Ok, That took me almost the entire clip to realize he was riding without brakes! That was sick.
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    No brakes!

    As a trials rider... OMG! I tried riding without using my brakes once.... landed on my ass and almost broke an arm!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by edemtbs
    Funny thing is, now my gf is all over cleaning the whole thing. She looked at me like I had three heads when I told it was near impossible. I've seen her clean an awful lot on that climb but not all at once. She is now on a mission and I will be a mere spectator...if I can keep her in my sights
    Your GF is GNAR!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by edemtbs
    I usually climb and descend Too Long, definitely my favorite trail. I can't stand the southern trail for some reason.
    hmmm... quite the opposite for me... although I don't think I've actually tried it that way. Perhaps I will soon!

    Quote Originally Posted by edemtbs
    This reminds me of "The Wall" challenge.
    You mean this?

    short version
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    and the tribulations of getting there (Yes, I was there with the President! Yep, the celeb himself!).... of comba


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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbjedi1
    not too hard = cleanable every time.

    define "best riders in the front range".
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    + I ride with many other top 10 Pro XC racers and I haven't seen any of them clean Bergen Peak every time. I guess if we slowed down and rode in the granny it would help, but what is the fun in that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 69erSycip
    team.bikeparts.com/ - look for updates with our new team members

    + I ride with many other top 10 Pro XC racers and I haven't seen any of them clean Bergen Peak every time. I guess if we slowed down and rode in the granny it would help, but what is the fun in that?
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    I would never consider

    myself as one of the best riders in the front range, not even close, but there are only two spots that I have NEVER cleaned on the way to the summit, going clockwise, descending on Too long, and never cleaned the remaining challenging sections on the same ride, but I speculate that if I can clean all but those two sections on seperate days, there is someone who can tie them all together, and the others are doable in my opinion, just not by me.

    Oh, the tree/rock combo section referred to on too long, always walk that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IndecentExposure
    You must be Pro. Pro's are cool.
    Thanks for reminding me that MTBR is
    much like a high school cafeteria. If you sit back and listen it all is a bunch of babbling ********ers killing time and talking ****. Only a small percentage are actually there for productive reasons. I guess I sat down at the wrong table.

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    Quote Originally Posted by btadlock
    myself as one of the best riders in the front range, not even close, but there are only two spots that I have NEVER cleaned on the way to the summit, going clockwise, descending on Too long, and never cleaned the remaining challenging sections on the same ride, but I speculate that if I can clean all but those two sections on seperate days, there is someone who can tie them all together, and the others are doable in my opinion, just not by me.

    Oh, the tree/rock combo section referred to on too long, always walk that.
    Age brings a new perspective for me, walking 30ft on 3+ mile ride, does not bug as it used to.
    Excatly. I've cleaned everything up there at least once, but I I've just never been able to link it together. One day I will....maybe. I can't say I really care. Anymore, I don't work things I just ride up it for the fitness aspect rather than the technical.

    Unlike Ed, I hate climbing too-long, but love climbing the South side. It's alot more fun to me.

    If I just keep moving, I can get from the lot to the top in 50 to 60 min. That is just forgetting anything I dab on and moving on. Usually daylight is short after work, so I don't have time to mess around before the trail gets dark and the kiddo's start destroying the house.

    BTW, I think Jen will nail it this year, Ed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 69erSycip
    Thanks for reminding me that MTBR is
    much like a high school cafeteria. If you sit back and listen it all is a bunch of babbling ********ers killing time and talking ****. Only a small percentage are actually there for productive reasons. I guess I sat down at the wrong table.
    I hear the dickwaving/chestpounding thread re-emerging. Shhhh...Blend in...
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    I just love Bergen. Up BPT then Summit Trail to the peak. Back down the way I came up as continuing the loop along too long just seems like a waste of gravity!

    I've cleaned all of BPT (in the direction mention above) but never uninterrupted without a break - so I guess it doesn't really count!. I have to break up the really step loose part of too long. I'm not even close to riding that without catching my breath a few times.

    The very start of summit trail is the hardest section technically for me. I've cleaned the worst of it only to stall out on some little rock before the first switch back. Most of the time I'm not close.

    some pics of that section in this thread (scroll down the second set of pics after Dakota Ridge)
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    I think it's entirely possible to clean the whole thing top to bottom on a regular basis, but you'd have to be extremely fit (pro or semipro level?) and have top level technical/trials skills. I'd be happy if I could clean the whole climb (technically) the majority of times even if I had to stop and catch my breath a few times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by used2Bhard
    Excatly. I've cleaned everything up there at least once, but I I've just never been able to link it together. One day I will....maybe. I can't say I really care. Anymore, I don't work things I just ride up it for the fitness aspect rather than the technical.

    Unlike Ed, I hate climbing too-long, but love climbing the South side. It's alot more fun to me.

    If I just keep moving, I can get from the lot to the top in 50 to 60 min. That is just forgetting anything I dab on and moving on. Usually daylight is short after work, so I don't have time to mess around before the trail gets dark and the kiddo's start destroying the house.

    BTW, I think Jen will nail it this year, Ed.
    Ah-hah! that explains why I like Too Long so much more. The hermit in me appreciates the fact that fewer people are on it More people definitely like Bergen Peak Trail.

    See that's the thing, linking it all together flawlessly would be huge. I must be getting old, being all cynical about the possibility

    When I used to race myself up that dang hill I'd park in the Stagecoach lot, scoot all along the base via Meadow View to Too Long and then up to the top via Too Long/Summit. I used to count how many switchbacks I'd make vs. miss, etc. If I was truly racing myself, I'd give up on clearing stuff and just run it, hop back on the bike and continue. I've tasted bile and had many scrapes, bumps and bruises from trying to clear everything on Bergen.

    Fun stuff. JJ has conquered most of the climb. Putting it all together is her next big challenge and she loves them challenges

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    Quote Originally Posted by btadlock
    Oh, the tree/rock combo section referred to on too long, always walk that.
    I'm gonna nail that this year, riding switch, then wave my d!ck for a while.



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    Quote Originally Posted by WKD-RDR
    I'm gonna nail that this year, riding switch, then wave my d!ck for a while.



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    Quote Originally Posted by 69erSycip
    Thanks for reminding me that MTBR is
    much like a high school cafeteria. If you sit back and listen it all is a bunch of babbling ********ers killing time and talking ****. Only a small percentage are actually there for productive reasons. I guess I sat down at the wrong table.
    ie=extreme sarcasm

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    Quote Originally Posted by edemtbs
    See that's the thing, linking it all together flawlessly would be huge. I must be getting old, being all cynical about the possibility


    Ed
    I agree, and I'd love to do it someday. I honeslty wish I had the time anymore to play on those rocks, and soak everything in a bit more. Its just so hard with the babies at home. When I get out..I,m out!
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    Anyone want to give an average at best rider some tips on making those tight switchbacks? I can always get up over the waterbar, but on the ones that are pretty much 180 degrees, I can never seem to make the last bit of the turn.

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    Isn't there a tree across the trail mid way up? It was there about four weeks ago when we rode up there, making truly clean unpossible.

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    Where did anyone state that the Bergen Peak trail was dry? There has to be sloppy conditions up there.

    I am going to shoot for under 60 min on the climb this season. Later, when it's dry... : )
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    My backyard ride...

    Went to the top the weekend before last and other than a couple of very short patches of snow and almost no mud, the trail was dry to the last traverse on the north facing side of the summit trail. It was snow packed but rideable. It snowed pretty hard on Saturday though, so I don't know what it's like now. Yes - amazing for this time of year!

    I almost always ride up the Too Long Trail and then back down Bergen. I have no qualms at admitting that I don't even dream about cleaning it - and have never seen anyone clean some of the obstacles going up. Not saying it isn't possible, just haven't ever seen it and my hat's off to anyone who can!

    I did notice that it's much more difficult riding up in March than it is in late summer/early fall after a full season of riding!

    I've gone up the Bergen Peak Trail side a couple of times and that I can at least imagine cleaning it is possible. I've seen people ride all of the sections on that side.

    Since someone asked about times: as a benchmark time from a 50+ guy with admittedly weak technical skills, my best time up (via Meadow View to Too Long to the Summit) is about 1:07. Since I ride from home, if I'm timing the climb, I start it at the junction of Painters Pause and Meadow View - which is about 200 feet higher than the Lewis Ridge Road parking lot.

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