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    Anyone know where this DH style trail is located?

    Link removed per request. I hate Colorado/US... lame shi* that we can't just build like they do out on the north shore.
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    Take your shovel to a good dirt jumping spot, help people build, show you care and someone might show you.

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    Well, I know... but that's the hard way.. haha... that and you might never receive the secret handshake anyway...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lindahl View Post
    Well, I know... but that's the hard way.. haha... that and you might never receive the secret handshake anyway...
    Well looks like your riding season will be dictated by when the lifts open and close...

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowskilz View Post
    Well looks like your riding season will be dictated by when the lifts open and close...
    Well, I don't mind pitching in and putting in a lot of hard work in on those kinds of trails, but I'm not a fan of regular dirt jump riding in the park, or other 'setup' locations. I like trails, not parks. I'm not too big on the lift-assist either, I like a good climb for the extra exercise. Apex with more/bigger features would be my idea of an ideal ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lindahl View Post
    Link removed per request. I hate Colorado/US... lame shi* that we can't just build like they do out on the north shore.
    You could move??

    This is not Canada and we don't have tons of logging claims to build trails on.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lindahl View Post
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    thank you
    Since when did Need have anything to do with this?

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    All the DH you ever need is on Apex.

    Just remember to shuttle and that downhill riders have the right of way.

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    I don't know where it is.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lindahl View Post
    lame shi* that we can't just build like they do out on the north shore.
    I agree... and because of that dh trails tend to be hidden and/or on private property. People will ride them with you after they know you, believe you'd help maintain them and respect the place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lindahl View Post
    Link removed per request. I hate Colorado/US... lame shi* that we can't just build like they do out on the north shore.
    Well, since you know where you can build the type of trail you want, the way you want.....

    I'm guessing that maybe you arrived in town recently.

    The reason I say this is because a very similar thing happens when people first move to AZ (and like Colorado, they come from all over the country....in AZ, it's mainly the Midwest). Just a while back one guy who had recently relocated to the PHX area wondered on the Arizona board why we didn't have an indoor skills park like Ray's and we should build one. Well, that suggestion went down like a lead balloon...no locals seemed to be interested. Why? Because AZ isn't like Ohio (the location of Ray's). We can ride OUTSIDE all year round. Why would we want to be cooped up inside when we have many different types of terrain to ride outside. Plus, most locals don't like it when out-of-towners start telling everyone how lame things are compared to (insert out-of-towners' previous location).

    Seems to be a similar situation here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhxChem View Post
    Well, since you know where you can build the type of trail you want, the way you want.....

    I'm guessing that maybe you arrived in town recently.

    The reason I say this is because a very similar thing happens when people first move to AZ (and like Colorado, they come from all over the country....in AZ, it's mainly the Midwest). Just a while back one guy who had recently relocated to the PHX area wondered on the Arizona board why we didn't have an indoor skills park like Ray's and we should build one. Well, that suggestion went down like a lead balloon...no locals seemed to be interested. Why? Because AZ isn't like Ohio (the location of Ray's). We can ride OUTSIDE all year round. Why would we want to be cooped up inside when we have many different types of terrain to ride outside. Plus, most locals don't like it when out-of-towners start telling everyone how lame things are compared to (insert out-of-towners' previous location).
    Seems to be a similar situation here.

    Now if only CO would ditch daylight savings time - that's one sure advantage AZ has over us.

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    It takes way more time, energy, and dedication, but you could also help to create a public trail like you are looking for. I'm not sure of it's official status, but I think Manmountaindense was working on something in I Springs.
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    "Why would we want to be cooped up inside when we have many different types of terrain to ride outside."

    Uh , , , cuz it's like 115 degrees outside and a little A/C would be nice! Actually, I find the riding season to be shorter in PHX than up north! I'm not the type to get out of bed at 4 am just to beat the heat--not a morning person.

    Actually, I love AZ, if it's too hot down south, just head upt to Flag, it's all good.

    As for those "secret" downhill trails, I kinda' like not being a downhiller--I never feel like I'm being left out of something--well, except for a couple million square miles of Wilderness; even worse because I know where all those trails are!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lindahl View Post
    Link removed per request. I hate Colorado/US... lame shi* that we can't just build like they do out on the north shore.
    You do realize that all the north shore trails were illegal in the beginning right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by slimat99 View Post
    You do realize that all the north shore trails were illegal in the beginning right?
    And the builders adapted and worked with local agencies to legitimize the trails. The problem here is the unwillingness of either party (builders and agencies) to build legitimate trials with varying features and open to a wide variety of users and use styles. Pinkbike has a great series on the trail builders of the North Shore. Mountaindense's work is along those same lines. Had I more time I would volunteer it to a cause like MD's. For now, I can offer my vocal support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbabuser View Post
    It takes way more time, energy, and dedication, but you could also help to create a public trail like you are looking for. I'm not sure of it's official status, but I think Manmountaindense was working on something in I Springs.
    Been on the table for 2-3 years, was a potential COMBA project, unfortunately there are some unresolved issues. It motivated me to get a forest service trail certification so I could help. I'm still waiting, shovel in hand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rogbie View Post
    And the builders adapted and worked with local agencies to legitimize the trails. The problem here is the unwillingness of either party (builders and agencies) to build legitimate trials with varying features and open to a wide variety of users and use styles. Pinkbike has a great series on the trail builders of the North Shore. Mountaindense's work is along those same lines. Had I more time I would volunteer it to a cause like MD's. For now, I can offer my vocal support.
    Freelunch and pucker up are only a few years old, Blackjack is only a year old. We are making progress.

    The north shore scene has been a work in progress for over a decade now. It's not like all of a sudden they had legal trails and a vibrant scene. CO may be a bit slow when it comes to progressive trail building, but we aren't at a stand still. Personally, I would love to see a proliferation of progressive trails in CO, but I don't feel we live in a place void of challenging terrain. I love big climbs, rock tech, and steep gnar. We have all of the above scattered all over the state, as well as built features at the resorts. CO's not a bad place to live. That said, I'm all about doing my part to facilitate more legal advanced level trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slimat99 View Post
    Freelunch and pucker up are only a few years old, Blackjack is only a year old. We are making progress.
    This is a great point. And it took years to get Freelunch built. In Denver there is a small army of gravity riders waiting to help build so desire and man power are not an issue, but none of us seem very good at paperwork. We need to get a few lawyers into the DH scene to help us.

    That and JeffCo is more about preservation than recreation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slimat99 View Post
    Freelunch
    all natural terrain/materials for the non-intrusive WIN

    i hit every drop there first time on it, much to the surprise of my friends

    it was fun to ride on a bike i can trust to handle it

    it's not nearly as scary as something like this

    freelunch doesn't bring tha lulz like that did either

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    Quote Originally Posted by KarateChicken View Post
    all natural terrain/materials for the non-intrusive WIN

    i hit every drop there first time on it, much to the surprise of my friends

    it was fun to ride on a bike i can trust to handle it

    it's not nearly as scary as something like this

    freelunch doesn't bring tha lulz like that did either
    Yeah, FL isn't gnar, but it's a good example of progress for more advanced legal trails.

    Those guys had to jump through a lot of hoops to build FL, and even though it lacks big features, it makes good use of the natural terrain giving it unique character you just can't find anywhere.

    Doubles, ladder drops, skinnies... can be built in Kansas, you can't build a trail like FL without the terrain. I look forward to similar trails in the future that make use of our unique terrain. For those of us that like natural terrain freeriding, CO has lots to offer. For those that want bike park trails, we have the resorts, and curt gowdy. Even though CG is in Wyoming, I still consider it front range riding. Very well built doubles and berms up there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slimat99 View Post
    Freelunch and pucker up are only a few years old, Blackjack is only a year old. We are making progress.

    The north shore scene has been a work in progress for over a decade now. It's not like all of a sudden they had legal trails and a vibrant scene. CO may be a bit slow when it comes to progressive trail building, but we aren't at a stand still. Personally, I would love to see a proliferation of progressive trails in CO, but I don't feel we live in a place void of challenging terrain. I love big climbs, rock tech, and steep gnar. We have all of the above scattered all over the state, as well as built features at the resorts. CO's not a bad place to live. That said, I'm all about doing my part to facilitate more legal advanced level trails.
    Agreed. It is coming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slimat99 View Post
    Yeah, FL isn't gnar,
    Like hell it isn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles View Post
    Like hell it isn't.
    True dat.....FL's got Gators & Hurricanes down yonder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaredShtles View Post
    Like hell it isn't.
    Not gnar in the context of north shore trails is what I meant. I absolutely love FL, but it is a trail a good rider can hit all the lines on with a 5" bike. There's nothing steep, or big, just a few mid sized drops, and little gaps. In the context of what those guys on the pacific north west call gnar, FL is a beginners introduction to gnar for sure. Those guys have legal trails with much larger drops, big doubles, high skinnies, super steep tech, big step ups, step downs...... Freelunch wouldn't qualify as a black diamond on the shore.

    Please don't get me wrong, I'm proud we have FL, one of my favorite trails anywhere in the country, and a hope to see more like it, but it's not gnar when talking about what those guys have in the PNW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lubes17319 View Post
    True dat.....FL's got Gators & Hurricanes down yonder.
    One of the bigger if not the biggest drops on FL, moderate size feature for the pacific north west near Bellingham WA.

    Hopefully we'll be allowed to build more progressive trails like them, but I wouldn't want to copy their style. What we have in Colorado is tons of vert, super steeps, and rocks. The guys that built FL did an awesome job making use of what they had to work with. Freelunch is a great start. Let's take it to the next level! CO could have the best natural terrain freeride trails in the country if we would just make use of our unique geography.
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    I would really like to see more Teton Pass style situations. Illegal trails on USFS land that were made legal(after some changes.) Seems like a very rare occurrence, and definitely cannot be expected, especially in the states. Awesome that it happened though and the trails are pretty legit dh trails IMO, very fun and well built.

    Thanks Freedom Riders! and USFS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slimat99 View Post
    One of the bigger if not the biggest drops on FL, moderate size feature for the pacific north west near Bellingham WA.
    Wood doesn't count.

    FL wins!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ithnu View Post
    Wood doesn't count.

    FL wins!
    Yeah I hear you, and agree wood just isn't the same, but I'm sure you know they have multiple legal trails with natural features bigger than anything on FL. If I had better pictures I would post them but we all know I don't need to post a pic to prove this point. They have more progressive trails than we do. Hopefully this will change in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slimat99 View Post
    . They have more progressive trails than we do. Hopefully this will change in the future.
    Well yeah, they started the gravity movement. I only hope one day we can be on par.











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    Quote Originally Posted by Ithnu View Post
    Did I mention I shuttle Apex in the dark?
    People do that? OMG thats so wrong

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    Stick to moonlight.
    Since when did Need have anything to do with this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by slimat99 View Post
    Hopefully we'll be allowed to build more progressive trails like them, but I wouldn't want to copy their style. What we have in Colorado is tons of vert, super steeps, and rocks. The guys that built FL did an awesome job making use of what they had to work with. Freelunch is a great start. Let's take it to the next level! CO could have the best natural terrain freeride trails in the country if we would just make use of our unique geography.
    Agreed. I'm not really looking for a North Shore clones, just hoping we can get that caliber of trail out here in CO. A lot of trails tend to be pretty tame, though I did find some fun stuff at Hartman Rocks on Friday.

    Looks like the US Forest Circus is what holds us back here, compared to Canada. In Canada, anything is allowed unless explicitly prohibited. Whereas, in the US, everything is prohibited unless explicitly allowed. We have tons of fire roads, just like they have logging roads, but we can't just build trails like they can, due to all the political crap. Prime potential, but no way to utilize it. If anyone actually has something in the works out here, I've got a shovel. But from I've been hearing, it's damn near impossible to get through the politics?

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