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    Anyone ever biked singletrack from nederland to boulder?

    Ive heard that this can be done. I just moved to boulder and would absolutely love to do this but I heard you really need to know your way. I bought a topo map of the area and was hoping it would have it layed out but i guess this way is too secret. Can anyone help?

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    It's hard in the winter.

    Where did you hear this crap from anyway?

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    It requires crossing private property. You won't find it on any map and no one is going to tell you about it on this board.

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    how strong is your desire? if you don't mind pissing off the owners of the land you are trespassing on, don't mind getting shot at, or don't mind upsetting the local mtb community that is working hard just to keep open what land we can ride on, not to mention trying to represent the mtb community for future land access projects,....yea, it can be done..
    You are new to the area; please don't take my sarcasm to heart. no, it cannot be done. Enjoy what is available to you now, and the future.

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    what's w/ the attitude?

    geesh, give the guy/gal a break...

    admittedly new to the area (and MTBR) and just looking for a rumored local ride. no need for all the harshness.

    b18t, sounds like private property is involved, so we'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say that it doesn't sound like a feasible route to pursue.

    welcome to the area (and unfortunately the secret stash zealots).
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    the ultimate Boulder area shuttle

    since we're on shuttle themes...There is a way I guess by crossing private property etc. However, there is a legal and fun way to take that route, but it involves singletrack, doubletrack, dirt road and even pavement. Definitely a cross country type ride with lots of climbing. Not sure if you are interested in that. and BTW most Boulder area single track requires riding some pavement & dirt road too, if you ride your bike to the singletrack.

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    Stick around for a while, put in your time and build some credibility by joining folks for some group rides..

    Peeps on here keep a pretty tight lid on these things. It's not (always) that we like being jerks as much as it would only take a few irresponsible riders to piss off the private land owners and ruin it for all.

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    Gotdirt, I DID cut him some slack; this guy's buddies are giving a newbie some bad advice. For all the legal stuff there is to ride here, he try to hook him up with illegal, sensitive to the local scene riding? Bad advice New guy; hang around, get settled to the scene, and enjoy. Don't poach please; if unsure about where the line is drawn, ask.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade
    Gotdirt, I DID cut him some slack; this guy's buddies are giving a newbie some bad advice. For all the legal stuff there is to ride here, he try to hook him up with illegal, sensitive to the local scene riding? Bad advice New guy; hang around, get settled to the scene, and enjoy. Don't poach please; if unsure about where the line is drawn, ask.
    The only time I approve of illegal riding is at night while doing drugs with the dogs.

    Nobody can tell your dogs pooped on open space at night.

    BTW, gotdirt, you are rather sensitive given you are the director of COMBA. Trying to be Mr Ambassador here? LOL. b18t justs jumps on board mtbr.com and one of the first things he posts about is poaching? There are people worth giving a break to, then there are those who have their horse behind the wagon.

    (PS: I guess the price of a few trying to stand up in a high tension riding environment is to be called a snob in the Boulder front range scene. But if that is the cost, "sticks and stones...").
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    Quote Originally Posted by lidarman
    The only time I approve of illegal riding is at night while doing drugs with the dogs.
    So pretty much anytime for much of the Ned population

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    Quote Originally Posted by thump
    So pretty much anytime for much of the Ned population
    No kidding.

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    I've been in ned for a year and still waiting... taps fingers...

    j/k, there is so much legal trails that I haven't even tried yet plus who needs to involve guns in an otherwise relaxing pursuit.



    but if you find the connector PM me

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    Quote Originally Posted by lidarman
    b18t justs jumps on board mtbr.com and one of the first things he posts about is poaching?
    well i could be wrong, but nothing in his/her post indicates any prior knowledge of "poaching"... that was my point; someone new to both the area and the forum says "hey i heard you could ride from point A to point B" and then gets a bunch of sarcasm and slack-- not a very welcoming notion to the CO forum here on MTBR.

    Quote Originally Posted by lidarman
    (PS: I guess the price of a few trying to stand up in a high tension riding environment is to be called a snob in the Boulder front range scene.
    well i've learned that there are two distinct camps in this community... those who don't like to share, and would prefer to keep all trails to themselves and their select friends (coughsnobs!cough) ; other folks are happy to share the wealth and spread the stoke (can't believe i just wrote that). now private property is another matter, only exacerbated here by the read-between-the-lines subtext of most of the replies-- yes there is a way, we've done it, but we're not going to tell you as you're not worthy... plus it is illegal, though it's okay for us to break the law and jeopardize access for others, but not you ("do as i say, not as i do").

    don't get me wrong, from a "rider" perspective i'd prefer trails w/ fewer people too, but the older i get the more i see the error of those selfish ways... and disdain the sense of entitlement that quite often follows. i was lucky enough to be born here, and if i'm not mistaken, you were not. i don't feel i have any more claim to the trails here than you, but i know other "natives" (you can tell by the bumper sticker, right next to the one that says "no occupancy" or "go back to texas") that would disagree. we're a community w/ a shared passion for riding bikes in the dirt. we've got good dirt here. i like to share, and set an example to my children to share. that's all. that said, i've come to realize i'm (sadly) in the minority. but hey, it is what it is. i'm just glad the clunkerz at mt. tam didn't decide to make it a secret society...

    P.S. for the record-- i'm a director of COMBA, not the director.
    P.P.S. for the record-- i've also trodden across private property in my day, though never from ned to boulder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gotdirt
    well i could be wrong, but nothing in his/her post indicates any prior knowledge of "poaching"... that was my point; someone new to both the area and the forum says "hey i heard you could ride from point A to point B" and then gets a bunch of sarcasm and slack-- not a very welcoming notion to the CO forum here on MTBR.


    well i've learned that there are two distinct camps in this community... those who don't like to share, and would prefer to keep all trails to themselves and their select friends (coughsnobs!cough) ; other folks are happy to share the wealth and spread the stoke (can't believe i just wrote that). now private property is another matter, only exacerbated here by the read-between-the-lines subtext of most of the replies-- yes there is a way, we've done it, but we're not going to tell you as you're not worthy... plus it is illegal, though it's okay for us to break the law and jeopardize access for others, but not you ("do as i say, not as i do").

    don't get me wrong, from a "rider" perspective i'd prefer trails w/ fewer people too, but the older i get the more i see the error of those selfish ways... and disdain the sense of entitlement that quite often follows. i was lucky enough to be born here, and if i'm not mistaken, you were not. i don't feel i have any more claim to the trails here than you, but i know other "natives" (you can tell by the bumper sticker, right next to the one that says "no occupancy" or "go back to texas") that would disagree. we're a community w/ a shared passion for riding bikes in the dirt. we've got good dirt here. i like to share, and set an example to my children to share. that's all. that said, i've come to realize i'm (sadly) in the minority. but hey, it is what it is. i'm just glad the clunkerz at mt. tam didn't decide to make it a secret society...

    P.S. for the record-- i'm a director of COMBA, not the director.
    P.P.S. for the record-- i've also trodden across private property in my day, though never from ned to boulder.
    Good points...and yes, the OP didn't assume poaching was involved..but Rene didn't outright attack, he just used sarcasm.

    But a little sarcasm never hurt anyone. Sarcasm is not against the law, or necessarily an insult--it's an advanced form of humor and communication.

    I think Renney used it in an appropriate manner. To strengthen the point of the issue.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm

    We can prolly argue this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_nauseam since I love wikipedia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gotdirt
    well i've learned that there are two distinct camps in this community... those who don't like to share, and would prefer to keep all trails to themselves and their select friends (coughsnobs!cough) ; other folks are happy to share the wealth and spread the stoke (can't believe i just wrote that). now private property is another matter, only exacerbated here by the read-between-the-lines subtext of most of the replies-- yes there is a way, we've done it, but we're not going to tell you as you're not worthy... plus it is illegal, though it's okay for us to break the law and jeopardize access for others, but not you ("do as i say, not as i do").
    I'll agree, there are plenty of those, but there's also the camp that has taken the time to ask permission from the property owners involved and is willing to share with someone that's demonstrated they have enough respect not to then share it with a bunch of asshats that'll get that permission yanked.. If a friend gives you permission to use their place for guests would you just start offering keys to anyone that asks? It's not about being a snob, it's about be respectful to the trust given by the land owners.

    That is if said trail even existed in the first place..

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    Quote Originally Posted by thump
    I'll agree, there are plenty of those, but there's also the camp that has taken the time to ask permission from the property owners involved and is willing to share with someone that's demonstrated they have enough respect not to then share it with a bunch of asshats that'll get that permission yanked.. If a friend gives you permission to use their place for guests would you just start offering keys to anyone that asks? It's not about being a snob, it's about be respectful to the trust given by the land owners.
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    Great point. I guess I fall into the snob category. Well, let me clarify. I guess you could call me a snob cause there’s no way in hell that I’d post a trail I ride on mtbr or for that matter anywhere on the net. Just cause you and I ride a bike doesn’t mean that somehow we’re (magically) on the same page about etiquette or ethics. Funny cause the majority of trails I ride are readily found either on the net, in trail books or simply well known rides.
    That being said, should we meet on trail, on a bar stool, or anywhere else and you (sounds elitist, I know) “pass the test”, i.e. seem like a decent human I’m all about sharing the goods. The internet is just to “unknown”, to faceless to go about posting (yeah, I’ll say it) *my trails* on. Flame away if you must, it won’t change my opinion.
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    I'll freely admit it; there are trails in my local area that most of you don't know about, and that's how it's gonna stay. It's like that all up and down the front range. It's not snobbery, it's preservation. If these trails were made known to the general mtb community at large, they would cease to exist within a couple weeks. yea yea, it's not fair, it's not right.... but that's the way it is. Get over it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade
    I'll freely admit it; there are trails in my local area that most of you don't know about, and that's how it's gonna stay. It's like that all up and down the front range. It's not snobbery, it's preservation. If these trails were made known to the general mtb community at large, they would cease to exist within a couple weeks. yea yea, it's not fair, it's not right.... but that's the way it is. Get over it.

    Word. Again, the funny thing is that I really don't need to know about *your* trails. I'm actually happy you have yours and I have mine! I mean, should we cross paths someday and you decide to show me the goods or vise versa... hell, I'm down with that. Otherwise I'm happy putting in the effort to find new stuff on my own. Suprise, that's how it was done back in the day.
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    Word back at you Jugdish.
    So the rest of you guys know, I've claimed the entire SSV and sourdough trails north of Brainard lake road, Wapiti, and Baptiste, as "my trails". You guys can ride them, but show some respect yo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade
    Word back at you Jugdish.
    So the rest of you guys know, I've claimed the entire SSV and sourdough trails north of Brainard lake road, Wapiti, and Baptiste, as "my trails". You guys can ride them, but show some respect yo.
    Wait a minute, I thought it was implied in my first post those were *my trails*!! Stay the hell away from them!!!
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    On second thought, just don't tell anyone about them, OK?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade
    Word back at you Jugdish.
    So the rest of you guys know, I've claimed the entire SSV and sourdough trails north of Brainard lake road, Wapiti, and Baptiste, as "my trails". You guys can ride them, but show some respect yo.
    I'm totally gonna shuttle the hell out of SSV....Full DH regalia, point earned for number of elitist bagged, points lost for any animals hit.
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    I'd happily trade some of 'my' trails for the ned to boulder one, 2 or 3 for one sale on now.


    Hell I'll even throw a after-ride beer.

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    Routes from Ned to Boulder

    There are two of them:

    The Cougar Slayer. It even has a website devoted to racing it

    Also Blue Dot to Winiger Ridge to Walker Ranch to Eldorado Canyon

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinscamps View Post
    There are two of them:

    The Cougar Slayer. It even has a website devoted to racing it

    Also Blue Dot to Winiger Ridge to Walker Ranch to Eldorado Canyon
    LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinscamps View Post
    There are two of them:

    The Cougar Slayer. It even has a website devoted to racing it

    Also Blue Dot to Winiger Ridge to Walker Ranch to Eldorado Canyon
    Both of these are not single track. That's impossible. But single track, double track and pavement combinations. Still the Cougar Slayer is on my bucket list having learned about it just a month ago. Next year, next year....

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinscamps View Post
    There are two of them:

    The Cougar Slayer. It even has a website devoted to racing it
    Wow. I"m glad the strava-tards have something to compete on that does not include too many of the trails that should never be mapped. There would not be much left to ride, after it all got closed down, 'cause these racer-tards need to share their individual accomplishments with the whole world.
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    This thread is probably dead, but I can't help but add my 2 cents. So Renegade, you're worried about all these "strava-tards" ruining your secret stashes. So I just checked and on stava there is all of 11 recorded rides of the cougar slayer course. Guys like you for some reason think that if someone passes along beta for some rinky trail connector 40 mins from boulder all of a sudden it's gonna get flooded by a bunch of noobs from Denver. In the world I live in there really aren't that many people with the nuts and motivation to undertake a ride from ned to boulder, so passing along a few tips will just help a few hardy souls and not unleash a flood of riders. For instance, take at Todd Gulch, a solid downhill in the no mans land between Ned and Boulder. It is a nice little trail segment but it is pretty damn quiet -- it can't be ridden a whole lot more often than once per day and it is marked and known about.

    I understand your concern, but I think it is totally lame to be so secretive about this stuff. If these trails are so questionable why do you get to ride them? It's not your land -- it is is either private, in which case you have no more right to ride it as anyone else, or it's public in which case again you have no more right to ride it. I guess this just really is a thorn in my side since I'm a Colorado native, have been riding for over 20 years, but I've never had the patience or the "coolness" to be a part of these lame Boulder mountain biking cliques so I don't know any of these "secret" trail either.

    Yet another reason why Boulder kinda sucks...

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    Quote Originally Posted by drtdogger View Post
    This thread is probably dead, but I can't help but add my 2 cents. So Renegade, you're worried about all these "strava-tards" ruining your secret stashes. So I just checked and on stava there is all of 11 recorded rides of the cougar slayer course. Guys like you for some reason think that if someone passes along beta for some rinky trail connector 40 mins from boulder all of a sudden it's gonna get flooded by a bunch of noobs from Denver. In the world I live in there really aren't that many people with the nuts and motivation to undertake a ride from ned to boulder, so passing along a few tips will just help a few hardy souls and not unleash a flood of riders. For instance, take at Todd Gulch, a solid downhill in the no mans land between Ned and Boulder. It is a nice little trail segment but it is pretty damn quiet -- it can't be ridden a whole lot more often than once per day and it is marked and known about.

    I understand your concern, but I think it is totally lame to be so secretive about this stuff. If these trails are so questionable why do you get to ride them? It's not your land -- it is is either private, in which case you have no more right to ride it as anyone else, or it's public in which case again you have no more right to ride it. I guess this just really is a thorn in my side since I'm a Colorado native, have been riding for over 20 years, but I've never had the patience or the "coolness" to be a part of these lame Boulder mountain biking cliques so I don't know any of these "secret" trail either.

    Yet another reason why Boulder kinda sucks...
    Boulder County also has hundreds of motorized dirtbikers that have exactly 0.0 miles of legal singletrack available now that Lefthand OHV has closed... so guess what site the noob moto riders use to find trails?

    It astounds me that Stravaholes still cannot grasp all the implications of mapping social trails online.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drtdogger View Post
    This thread is probably dead, but I can't help but add my 2 cents. So Renegade, you're worried about all these "strava-tards" ruining your secret stashes. So I just checked and on stava there is all of 11 recorded rides of the cougar slayer course. Guys like you for some reason think that if someone passes along beta for some rinky trail connector 40 mins from boulder all of a sudden it's gonna get flooded by a bunch of noobs from Denver. In the world I live in there really aren't that many people with the nuts and motivation to undertake a ride from ned to boulder, so passing along a few tips will just help a few hardy souls and not unleash a flood of riders. For instance, take at Todd Gulch, a solid downhill in the no mans land between Ned and Boulder. It is a nice little trail segment but it is pretty damn quiet -- it can't be ridden a whole lot more often than once per day and it is marked and known about.

    I understand your concern, but I think it is totally lame to be so secretive about this stuff. If these trails are so questionable why do you get to ride them? It's not your land -- it is is either private, in which case you have no more right to ride it as anyone else, or it's public in which case again you have no more right to ride it. I guess this just really is a thorn in my side since I'm a Colorado native, have been riding for over 20 years, but I've never had the patience or the "coolness" to be a part of these lame Boulder mountain biking cliques so I don't know any of these "secret" trail either.

    Yet another reason why Boulder kinda sucks...
    In a perfect world/situation, all the little secret trails would be known to everyone, and it would be okay for these trails to see a high usage rate; and that usage rate would have no impact on the folks who live on property adjoining those trails. But we donít live in that world. The front range, particularly west of Boulder, is an intertangle of public and private land, and some of these social trails do cross private land. The reason these trails can continue to exist, regardless of some of them being illegal, is that the locals riding them, are quiet, discreet, and they tread lightly. We donít have 30 member group rides crossing private land with 10 different high volume conversations going on, 6 times a day. We donít litter the trail with empty GU packets. We donít act in ways that result in the trails getting shut down.
    No, it is not fair that I get to ride these trails, and you donít, but that is what has to be for these trails to be available to even a small portion of the mtb community. The riders 10 miles to the north and south of my location ride trails that I donít know about, and Iím okay with that. If you want fair, then letís make ALL the secret trails public, which will get them all closed down. Then I wonít be riding any trails that you donít have access to. Does that make you feel any better about it?
    In the world I live in, itís a fact that when the front range mtb community finds out about these trails, and ride them, that they get shut down, forever, to everybody.
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    Anyone ever biked singletrack from nederland to boulder?

    So in summary, surround yourself with people who can help you achieve your goals, protect what you love most and don't be a douche.

    Applicable in mountain biking and life.

    So try not to suck at either, and dont be surprised if someone doesn't want you to make a turd out of something important to them

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    On another note, just got in the latest Batco Boulder County map. Really surprised as to how much is on it. Some trails that are not really well known at all--they claim all was approved but the Forest Rangers.

    Some small mistakes too, not a perfect map but a good complement to the Lat 40 & Sky Terrain one.

    The latest Sky Terrain Boulder/Ned had some "new" trails on it too, as did the last round of the Lat 40 Boulder/Ned map. Seems like the map folks are trying to out do each other in getting old social trails on maps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thump View Post

    It astounds me that Stravaholes still cannot grasp all the implications of mapping social trails online.
    oh yeah lets get up on our high horse and tell everyone how mighty smart and better you are

    wish strava was around 15 years ago I woulda mapped it all out and then sold the info to some poor wanna be

    used to pull 100 mile rides from boulder to corona pass and back, plenty of single track to be found between ned/ward to 5 or so miles west of boulder

    the rides consist of old washed out jeep roads all the way to someones backyard six inch wide single track lots of it in the gold hill and magnolia area don't spook the horses when you ride through their fields though always had a couple names to drop if I got busted but never did

    just when I thought mtbr was gettin lame

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    Quote Originally Posted by ripper roo View Post
    oh yeah lets get up on our high horse and tell everyone how mighty smart and better you are

    wish strava was around 15 years ago I woulda mapped it all out and then sold the info to some poor wanna be

    used to pull 100 mile rides from boulder to corona pass and back, plenty of single track to be found between ned/ward to 5 or so miles west of boulder

    the rides consist of old washed out jeep roads all the way to someones backyard six inch wide single track lots of it in the gold hill and magnolia area don't spook the horses when you ride through their fields though always had a couple names to drop if I got busted but never did

    just when I thought mtbr was gettin lame
    If anyone is thinking of giving any credibility to this person's post, just click on his user name, and check out his post history. It speaks for itself; he is a legend in his own mind.
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    no it has never happened, never speak of it again.

    no one likes the tuna here pal!
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