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    Any COS 29er riders have tire suggestions?

    Riding my 29er on the Falcon Trail yesterday and am not liking my tires (Exiwolfs). Rear traction is good, but the front tire gets down right scary on loose stuff and tight turns. Anyone have any tire suggestions for local conditions?

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    I don't have a ton of experience with 29ers (29er noob) - but am running a Prowler up front. Have no complaints whatsoever. Grips very on the corners. Ignitor's are very popular but I haven't tried them yet.
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    Maxxis Ignitor, Panaracer Rampage combo on the rigid ss works fantastic for most days. Changed to a set of 2.4 Racing Ralphs and those were pretty good too. Running Rampages on the WFO and havent' had any issues. All are being run tubeless and all have done pretty good in the Pikes Peak kitty litter.

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    Ardent 2.4 with the sidewall prot is what I run, ride AFA a lot and good traction up front

    The DHF's are great for our trails but no 29er version yet

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    Thanks for the tips everyone

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    Another vote for the Maxxis Ignitor.

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    I'm running 2.2" Kenda Nevgals and I think they're great. I haven't ridden something truely loose yet (i.e. Cap'n Jacks) but they have been really good at the AFA, Stratton and CMSP which are all pretty loose.

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    I have run the Ignitors, works well and lasts long. Have had Kenda Small Block Eights, certainly not a great front tire, good on back, fairly narrow so small contact patch.
    This year I put on a Geax Saguro on front and a Hutchinson Python on the back and they are great.

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    I've tried several 29er tires and here is my order of perceived front end traction (most to least):

    Stout
    Racing Ralph
    Geax Saguaro
    Fastrak
    Exiwolf

    All have float to some extent in the loose stuff, just gotta learn to expect it and surf that crap. Or, I could watch this thread and get a better front tire. :-)
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    I run Kenda Nevegals up front and Maxxis Ignitors in the back on both my 29ers. Since implementing this setup a couple years ago, I've had nothing but great results in any loose-type scenario. Had lots of traction probs with the Exiwolfs...

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    I have found that running my pressure pretty low fixes most of my traction issues. Been running about 26psi on the front tire.

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    Specialized Eskar, 2.2, 2Bliss on my 29er HT is working out well. No issue with wash out unless I am leaning really hard into off-camber corner. It has great compliant feel when riding over rooty and small rocky section too. Ridden my 29er over at AFA falcon few times this year and never had issue with cornering.

    I am also fan of DHF but no 29er version yet.
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    I don't know what it is, but I just don't like the Exiwolf as a front tire. As I mentioned earlier, no complaints as a rear tire, but the front Exiwolf just doesn't seem to track well in and out of the turns and has caught me off guard a couple of time. It got better running a lower PSI, but comparing it's tread pattern to the Ignitors and others makes me think it is better as a rear only tire. Thanks for all of the suggestions, going to try Ignitor or Rampage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guacamole
    I have found that running my pressure pretty low fixes most of my traction issues. Been running about 26psi on the front tire.
    Second that.
    Don't have UST rims on my 29r, so run ghetto tubeless with Stan's rim strips.
    I find that lower pressure makes as much, if not more, difference than the specific tire when it comes to grip.
    That said, another vote for Ignitors here
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    I like to run that trail alot durining a year and the best tires i have run on it is the wtb weirwolf. I have tried many different tires and outside of a full on heavy DH tire the weirwolf is awsome for there. Have not tried the 2010 version yet but the older one rocks.

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    Ardent 2.4, the only tire that also made it through many Pueblo sessions

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    Sorry to be slow on the thread. Outta town - but can give some input here. Don't try Falcon sketchy on a 29er Geax Suarro. Or most trails. Price is good, they roll good, they have good volume, they will last a while, but that hard rubber is not grippy on the loose over hardpack that a lot of those corners are on. I would not use a Specialized LK on attempts to do fast laps on it either. Good light tire for medium speeds and endurance, but not hard cornering on Falcon. Use it for the 100K or Solo during the race, not your friend for a sub-hour attempt. Next 29er tire I'll try will be an Eskar - they are sweet on the 26ers at least - don't roll on pavement, but I think they roll better than many on the trail at the right pressures.

    I'm trying some 29er WTB Nano's tubeless right now, but unable to roll them on a timed lap on Falcon for a while due to a back injury. They feel better than the same tire on a 26er, but I suspect they will get to sketchy trying to push them on the corners. My fastest laps on Falcon were when it was dry and sketchy, using two nearly new WTB 2.4 mutano's, with light tubes, running the lowest pressure I could without pinching them (27psi or so). They were 3 min faster than DAMP laps on 26er specialized LK and wtb nanoraptors, both run tubeless at 24psi.

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    I agree with Guacamole. It's not just tread, but pressure. What are you running on the Exiwolf? I deal with this issue alot. People come in to the shop looking for new tires because their current set up isn't working. I grab the tire and and they are running upper 40s +. I'm not saying you are though. Just something to think about. I run 2.25 Ardents tubeless in the 26psi range on my 29er. They rock!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoomie
    Riding my 29er on the Falcon Trail yesterday and am not liking my tires (Exiwolfs). Anyone have any tire suggestions for local conditions?
    Ghetto tubeless Rampage in the mid 20s psi works pretty good on that trail and I'm out there a couple of times a week. Noticeably better than the Ignitor (which I like) and the narrower Ardent (did not like).

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    Sorry to bump this back to the top, but have run the Falcon Trail twice now since my last post (among others). I was running the Exiwolfs around 35 psi and have brought them down to 28-30. The are gripping better. Still feel like the Exiwolfs are just not cut out for the front. Doing great on the back though with no complaints. Probably going with the Rampage or Ardent.

    Quick question. What is the benefit of the 2.4? The Exiwolfs are 2.3s, just wondering what the pros and cons are of going to 2.4.

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    More questions on the 2.4 Ardents: Tubeless or tubed? Stan's Flow rims? Do the fit on a Niner RIP9?
    Anyone tried the Bontrager FR3, 29x2.35?
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    I run Exiwolf's as a rear tire and love them but I definitely think they lack the aggressive side knobs needed for cornering. Personally I run Nevegals in front and have yet to be disappointed. This setup has worked great for me. The Nevegals work great on the corners and the Exiwolf's grip well in most conditions on climbs.

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    Ardents blow, seriously, forget about that tire! Specialized Captin control up front works great at 35 psi. Small block 8 in the rear, Nevagals are always a good pick but have more rolling resistance.

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    Your two niner made up the three minutes... not thoes crapy tires and TUBES!!!!


    Quote Originally Posted by jnordby
    Sorry to be slow on the thread. Outta town - but can give some input here. Don't try Falcon sketchy on a 29er Geax Suarro. Or most trails. Price is good, they roll good, they have good volume, they will last a while, but that hard rubber is not grippy on the loose over hardpack that a lot of those corners are on. I would not use a Specialized LK on attempts to do fast laps on it either. Good light tire for medium speeds and endurance, but not hard cornering on Falcon. Use it for the 100K or Solo during the race, not your friend for a sub-hour attempt. Next 29er tire I'll try will be an Eskar - they are sweet on the 26ers at least - don't roll on pavement, but I think they roll better than many on the trail at the right pressures.

    I'm trying some 29er WTB Nano's tubeless right now, but unable to roll them on a timed lap on Falcon for a while due to a back injury. They feel better than the same tire on a 26er, but I suspect they will get to sketchy trying to push them on the corners. My fastest laps on Falcon were when it was dry and sketchy, using two nearly new WTB 2.4 mutano's, with light tubes, running the lowest pressure I could without pinching them (27psi or so). They were 3 min faster than DAMP laps on 26er specialized LK and wtb nanoraptors, both run tubeless at 24psi.

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    That trail when it gets damp slows down a ton. corners better but rolls worse, But we can say it's the 29er so that we fell like money well spent. Sauce not drank

    Quote Originally Posted by Waafoo
    Your two niner made up the three minutes... not thoes crapy tires and TUBES!!!!

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    Nope, it was the 26er. All comparisons were on the same Yeti 575. Sore back early this year has prevented me from racing since the Palmer Park Sand Creek race, so no 29er times for me on Falcon. I'm positive a hardtail (or in my case a softail) 29er will knock minutes off a lap on that course if you are going for fast laps. I'd have done better in Palmer on the 26er I think do to the lower speed tech sections, but Falcon is a carver and a roller well suited for xc race bikes.

    I agree with hitched, that trail is slower when damp - sticky or something - at least for me, my weight (145lbs), and my ride style. I prefer to race that trail sketchy, it is not as fun, but sketchy corners at speed is a differentiator. When damp, anyone with 300g semi-slicks can carve those corners!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pastajet
    Ardent 2.4, the only tire that also made it through many Pueblo sessions
    +1 on the Ardent 2.4. I paired one up w/ a Saguaro on the rear... really like the combo.

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    mudge - what pressure in the Saguaro? When I push the limits on my 29er, I will oversteer and drift the Saguaro 2.2 on the rear before I lose the Nanoraptor up front. I tend to front wheel bias a bit, so maybe I need to center myself on the bike a bit more, but that Saguaro in the back just seems to let loose on me (even since new). I like oversteer before understeer all day long, but am still looking for more on the rear.

    [edit] why did I say that last sentence on the www?]

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    ignitor in the front, Small Block Eight in the rear at about 30psi. tubeless on stans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnordby
    mudge - what pressure in the Saguaro? When I push the limits on my 29er, I will oversteer and drift the Saguaro 2.2 on the rear before I lose the Nanoraptor up front. I tend to front wheel bias a bit, so maybe I need to center myself on the bike a bit more, but that Saguaro in the back just seems to let loose on me (even since new). I like oversteer before understeer all day long, but am still looking for more on the rear.

    [edit] why did I say that last sentence on the www?]

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    hmmm, I think I'm running it around 27 or so. I'm guessing, 'cause the gauge on my pump is marked at 20 and 40, but not 30. When I inflate it, I try to get it just under 30, then I always end up letting out a scoosh (I think that's a word) or two once I'm out on the trail.

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    I like the Specialized Captains but am hearing great things about the Ardent 2.4s...those will be next.

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    Dont forget about Conti Mtn Kings, 2.4 front, 2.2 rear, you can get them cheap too.
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    I like WTB weirwolf front and ignitor rear. Very fast combo for our hardpack

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flyer
    I like the Specialized Captains but am hearing great things about the Ardent 2.4s...those will be next.
    Come on you guys, its not rocket science! Any 2.4 up front will work good and better at lower pressures, its a 2.4! The Ardent it better in the rear,total crap up front Exiwolfs? Seriously? Stick to people that make tires, like Kenda, Maxxas, etc...
    When you really think about it, tires are like shoes, depends on your foot, shape, stride...need to find what works for your style.....Ardents are still total crap!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waafoo
    Come on you guys, its not rocket science! Any 2.4 up front will work good and better at lower pressures, its a 2.4! The Ardent it better in the rear,total crap up front Exiwolfs? Seriously? Stick to people that make tires, like Kenda, Maxxas, etc...
    When you really think about it, tires are like shoes, depends on your foot, shape, stride...need to find what works for your style.....Ardents are still total crap!

    If tires are like shoes and depend on your foot, and if you think Ardents are crap, does that mean your feet are crap?

    Seriously, have you no capacity for logical thought at all?? You come on the forum, deride people for having favorite tires, tell us it all depends on your 'style', and then tell us a particular tire is crap? If you think it's crap, by your standards it's only crap for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waafoo
    Exiwolfs? Seriously? Stick to people that make tires, like Kenda, Maxxas, etc...
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    IIRC WTB started out selling just tires. Back when Kenda and Maxis only sold cheap asian BMX tires. Not that they aren't cheap asian rubber also.

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    Stout fans- I have a lightly used Stout(maybe 10 rides on the front) I will sell/trade cheap, don't think they make em anymore.

    I still need to checkout the Spec Purgatory, seems to have more knobbage and hopefully more traction in the loose stuff. A 2.5 DHF w/the sidewall prot would be a great front tire for our terrain, Maxxis knows people want this tire so hopefully something happens next year.

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    [QUOTE=mudge]If tires are like shoes and depend on your foot, and if you think Ardents are crap, does that mean your feet are crap?

    Seriously, have you no capacity for logical thought at all?? You come on the forum, deride people for having favorite tires, tell us it all depends on your 'style', and then tell us a particular tire is crap? If you think it's crap, by your standards it's only crap for you.[/QUOT

    Nice, point taken. Maybe I should have said that I have been riding mountain bikes for over 20 years and I never had to , or thought of going to a forum for a tire recommendation, its really not that hard to figure out, for me, what works?!?. I have ridden a lot of tires and the ardent "in my onion"is one of the worst I have tried, front or rear. Flame on! thats where all these conversations go anyway

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waafoo
    Nice, point taken. Maybe I should have said that I have been riding mountain bikes for over 20 years and I never had to , or thought of going to a forum for a tire recommendation, its really not that hard to figure out, for me, what works?!?. I have ridden a lot of tires and the ardent "in my onion"is one of the worst I have tried, front or rear. Flame on! thats where all these conversations go anyway
    Wonder why you read this thread?

    Interesting. I tested the proto types of the Ardent Exo Protection 2.4's and thought they worked great on the gravel around here. Just tested a UST version of the Ardent in 2.2 and it sucked (too skinny).

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    I like the Specialized Captain Control (2.2) on the rear and the Purgatory 2.4 up front. Not a super fast/ low resistance combo, but hooks up great in nearly all conditions. Running tubeless at about 28psi and weigh about 180lbs. Captain up front didn't work for me- seemed to wash out in tight, loose switchbacks.

    Obviously, I think tires/ psi/ etc make a difference. Having said all of that, I ride with a guy who has been riding the same tire for probably 8 years. The tread is completely toast in the middle- gone- and he gets traction on stuff I sometimes spin out on. He corners with a little washout, but not much, and he climbs like a goat. I got on his bike and couldn't ride 100 yards without spinning out. Your technique and style have a lot to do with how well the tires perform, AS WELL AS the psi, etc, etc. I'm convinced if I gave my buddy a new tire, he'd be even faster, corner better, etc, but I don't want to because he already leaves me in the dust .

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    Quote Originally Posted by alshead
    I like the Specialized Captain Control (2.2) on the rear and the Purgatory 2.4 up front. Not a super fast/ low resistance combo, but hooks up great in nearly all conditions. Running tubeless at about 28psi and weigh about 180lbs. Captain up front didn't work for me- seemed to wash out in tight, loose switchbacks.

    Obviously, I think tires/ psi/ etc make a difference. Having said all of that, I ride with a guy who has been riding the same tire for probably 8 years. The tread is completely toast in the middle- gone- and he gets traction on stuff I sometimes spin out on. He corners with a little washout, but not much, and he climbs like a goat. I got on his bike and couldn't ride 100 yards without spinning out. Your technique and style have a lot to do with how well the tires perform, AS WELL AS the psi, etc, etc. I'm convinced if I gave my buddy a new tire, he'd be even faster, corner better, etc, but I don't want to because he already leaves me in the dust .

    Great reply! You nailed it.
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