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    Agressive Rider @ Chimney Gulch and Mt Falcon

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    FYI to all riders are Chimney Gulch in Golden, CO and Mt Falcon in Morrison, CO. A young "mt biker" in his early 20s has been shuttling the hills at these two locations. The rider ran into a girl at Chimney Gulch this past Wednesday (6/16/10), caused her to stumble off of her bike and she almost fell down the hillside. The girl yelled at him after he passed and he shook his head at her and told her to "F-off". The same rider also told numerous people off after he essentially pushed them off of the trail that day.

    When the rider was confronted, he was a real wise ass. He said that he rides these trails late in the day to avoid "mt bikers like you". He was riding Chimney Gulch at 6PM when it had tons of riders in it!!!

    Description of the rider to confront:
    The rider is in his 20s and rides a black dirt jump bike. He wears a round style thug-like helmet. His blond haired girlfriend shuttles him numerous times at these locations and she drives an older model (late 80s) white Toyota Camry. The license plate is CO and it is something like 206-TDJ or 207-TDJ. The car has small "Hybrid Synergy Drive" sticker on the back right trunk area... most likely from a Toyota Prius. The car has a roof rack that allows the bike to stand up without the wheel being taken off.

    If you see this rider on the trail, give him a true "mt bikers welcome". He rides alone so do not be afraid to confront him. He is a thug that is going to get these trails closed to true mt bikers. If I see him again, I'm going to show him some trailside mt bike respect for everyone!

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    i too once saw an aggressive rider - he was riding a mtn bike. I have also seen wild life on a trail - it looked pretty aggressive(and it did not travel alone).

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    What a MORON!!


    Everybody knows it's stupid to ride Dh on a dirt jumper!!!

    Why, with ALL the user conflict out there on the stinking front range, is there not a SINGLE legal downhill trail anywhere around there? That's the real crime here!

    (oh, and the fact that this guys is obviously a tool, you can ride down a hill without running people off the trail!)
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    Anyone who wears a skate style lid in the summer needs to be knocked off his bike and kicked repeatedly until all his ribs are broken. Then take a dump in his stupid piss pot lid and strap it back on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guyechka
    Anyone who wears a skate style lid period needs to be knocked off his bike and kicked repeatedly until all his ribs are broken. Then take a dump in his stupid piss pot lid and strap it back on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IFMTBer
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    His blond haired girlfriend shuttles him numerous times at these locations and she drives an older model (late 80s) white Toyota Camry. The license plate is CO and it is something like 206-TDJ or 207-TDJ. The car has small "Hybrid Synergy Drive" sticker on the back right trunk area... most likely from a Toyota Prius. The car has a roof rack that allows the bike to stand up without the wheel being taken off.
    FYI I've seen them at the top of Apex also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleTrail
    FYI I've seen them at the top of Apex also.

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    If this is true, then he's prob. on those hidden cameras. I wonder if there's one of those at the trailhead(s)?

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    Sounds like the guy's a tool and deserves a good ass whoopin. I'm surprised that no one he told to f-off helped him out with that.

    That said, I find your description of a DJ helmet amusing.

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    I like to use round-style thug-like helmets. Good for drinkin 40s on the stoop and poppin caps in whitey. Safety first.
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    the OP sounds like a tool also.

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    Point taken, but seriously who gives a ****... get over it. Not everybody in this world are princesses...

    ...look at me..

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    p.s. never seen a "thug" on the trails but nice attempt at profiling.

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    The kid probably has no idea about trail rules. He obviously doesn't have any friends since he's riding alone. Maybe he's too super mega bad ass for his friends to keep up.

    If some one sees him just try and explain the rules. Swearing and yelling won't solve a thing, he'll just get defensive.
    You have just been mentally Rick Roll'd. Yup you're thinking about it right now aren't you? Don't fight it.

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    We saw this dbag last Wed as well. Several of us actually confronted him down in the lot when his girlfriend picked him up. We started by basically telling him to slow down and that at least one of us personally what happened up on the trail as stated already. He wanted no part of a "discussion" and after a couple of minutes took off. We did tell him that we ride there all the time (not really) and will be looking for him to make sure he isn't ramming into people and not apologizing. Several others we were riding with including some begginner ladies also experiened close calls with this idiot.

    Bottom line, if you see a yellow skateboard helmeted dbag on a dirt jump bike shuttling any of these trails confront him and remind him of the rules of the trails.

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    Skate lids? I thought full faces were the most hated helmets on the front range?

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    All some guys will understand is a knuckle sandwich. Gives them time to contemplate the error of their ways as they try to get up off the ground.
    So it seems to me to be, this thing that I think I see.

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    Yeah, that guy was rude! Let's hurt him physically!

    Christ, what a stupid thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tempest3070
    Yeah, that guy was rude! Let's hurt him physically!

    Christ, what a stupid thread.
    Well if people try to reason with him several times and he ignores them maybe it should come to that. How do you get him to listen before he stops doing this and really injures some one else?

    I'm not sure on this in reality. How do you deal with a person who just won't listen? Can't fix stupid is the saying.
    You have just been mentally Rick Roll'd. Yup you're thinking about it right now aren't you? Don't fight it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ithnu
    Well if people try to reason with him several times and he ignores them maybe it should come to that. How do you get him to listen before he stops doing this and really injures some one else?

    I'm not sure on this in reality. How do you deal with a person who just won't listen? Can't fix stupid is the saying.
    Yes, if we're to be taken seriously as a usergroup likely the best possible response is violence. I suppose this is what should be done to hikers that mouth off as well, then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tempest3070
    Yes, if we're to be taken seriously as a usergroup likely the best possible response is violence. I suppose this is what should be done to hikers that mouth off as well, then?
    I don't believe violence is ever the answer, but that is a different situation. It's not often that hikers are running downhill so fast that they can really injure somone else. This is why there are rules put up on these public trails. Hikers typically get mad for others for breaking the rules or rules of thumb on the trail (or what they believe the rules should be). This biker is getting mad at people getting mad at him for breaking the rules.

    I do hope this isn't a true story, but I don't doubt it either. There are many stupid/ridiculous people out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gearwhine
    I don't believe violence is ever the answer, but that is a different situation. It's not often that hikers are running downhill so fast that they can really injure somone else. This is why there are rules put up on these public trails. Hikers typically get mad for others for breaking the rules or rules of thumb on the trail (or what they believe the rules should be). This biker is getting mad at people getting mad at him for breaking the rules.

    I do hope this isn't a true story, but I don't doubt it either. There are many stupid/ridiculous people out there.
    It seems like the solution would be to alert the rangers to this guy, not to escalate the confrontations that are already occuring.

    What do I know, though, I've got a skate helmet AND a fullface.

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    OP, thanks for the heads-up. Police from within, as Ithnu says. The best chance of getting through to this guy is for fellow bikers to tell him what he's doing isn't cool. The number of posters to this thread that seem to disagree makes me worry for the future of the Front Range trails...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tempest3070
    I suppose this is what should be done to hikers that mouth off as well, then?
    Yes. Any guy that nearly runs my wife off a trail and then tells her to f-off is going to become the recipient of violence.

    Save the fuzzy fluffy talk it out crap for your Xanax chewing counseling sessions. There are some things that should be dealt with as men.

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    I sure hope this kid does not run a guy's girlfriend/wife/child off the trail because he will probably get his a$$ kicked. I am not saying it's right but I get it.



    Quote Originally Posted by golden boy
    OP, thanks for the heads-up. Police from within, as Ithnu says. The best chance of getting through to this guy is for fellow bikers to tell him what he's doing isn't cool. The number of posters to this thread that seem to disagree makes me worry for the future of the Front Range trails...

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    How about a nice eye for an eye, next time one of you see him blazing down, turn your bike around, let 'er rip, catch up to him, get on his a$$, then tell him to get the f@#k out of your way. Did that once to a guy who clipped me on a trail in Cali, was super fun, he never saw it coming

    There is also the clothesline

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    Quote Originally Posted by IFMTBer
    He wears a round style thug-like helmet.
    I think I've seen the guy:



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    Quote Originally Posted by thump
    Yes. Any guy that nearly runs my wife off a trail and then tells her to f-off is going to become the recipient of violence.

    Save the fuzzy fluffy talk it out crap for your Xanax chewing counseling sessions. There are some things that should be dealt with as men.
    A couple of years ago a guy ran me off the trail as he was bombing down a section of Centennial Cone. My husband saw the whole thing - he turned around, chased down the wanker on the next climb, and gave him a verbal thrashing. My husband reminded the punk that if a 40 year old man can turn around on a climb, follow you on a downhill, and catch you on the next climb that your racing career is over.

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    So did anyone ever think of alerting the rangers? If there are cameras, it'd be pretty easy to spot the guy again. Let the authorities ban him from riding anything other than C-Creek path.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chillmolly
    A couple of years ago a guy ran me off the trail as he was bombing down a section of Centennial Cone. My husband saw the whole thing - he turned around, chased down the wanker on the next climb, and gave him a verbal thrashing. My husband reminded the punk that if a 40 year old man can turn around on a climb, follow you on a downhill, and catch you on the next climb that your racing career is over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tempest3070
    Yes, if we're to be taken seriously as a usergroup likely the best possible response is violence. I suppose this is what should be done to hikers that mouth off as well, then?
    I can't believe you could equate clotheslining a dbag like the guy running people off the trail yelling "f.. you" in his wake with verbal confrontations with a hiker. It's obvious you've never been minding your own business when someone came full on around a blind corner---or even just straight on---and smashed into you, helmet to helmet. Or seen it happen to your gilfriend/wife. Beating that guy down on the spot is the very definition of policing ourselves.
    So it seems to me to be, this thing that I think I see.

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    And if anyone "kicks his ass" they will surely go to jail for assault and this guy will keep riding his bike (and get a new one from the lawsuit he files).

    Stop being so reactionary. No person can tell another what to do. It all comes down to integrity. Calling for heads, and vigilante justice, will get trails shut down the same as inconsiderate riders not following the "rules".

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    Big Mean Bully

    Quote Originally Posted by inkpad
    How about a nice eye for an eye, next time one of you see him blazing down, turn your bike around, let 'er rip, catch up to him, get on his a$$, then tell him to get the f@#k out of your way. Did that once to a guy who clipped me on a trail in Cali, was super fun, he never saw it coming

    There is also the clothesline
    You sound like a big, mean, bully.

    Good thing we don't have to worry aboot the likes of you around here, anymore!
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    Yes, try to justify violence all you want, but the law will not be on your side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquaholic
    You sound like a big, mean, bully.

    Good thing we don't have to worry aboot the likes of you around here, anymore!
    Watch it buddy, that incident happened on San Juan, & I will be on that trail again in a couple weeks, so keep off.

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    Agressive Rider @ Chimney Gulch and Mt Falcon-633665324887098206-pacifism.jpg

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    Cool, internet tough guys.
    Gone are the days we stopped to decide,
    Where we should go,
    We just ride...

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    Maybe shakedown the sagwagon? Nicely, of course.

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    I had a run in with this guy earlier this year. We kind of surprised each other as I was approaching the rocky climb were most people (me) end up dismounting at the third switchback above the first road crossing on Chimney. I was definitely not happy, but figured what could I really do and continued on. I didn't really want to get all hot and bothered and have it ruin my day. I'd have no problem though if someone else cares to kick his a$$. I'll actually even justify your violence.

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    I only breezed through most of the posts in this thread, as many seemed to be confrontational for no good reason. However, I am posting to let you guys know I have also seen a rider matching this physical and behavioral description, on Chimney, about a month and a half ago. I am not condoning or advocating any sort of violence, but let's consider that:

    1. There is a rider on public trails that is endangering trail access for ALL mountain bikers, not just "shuttlers", to those public trails.
    2. This rider has been identified and described, and can be spotted again.
    3. Taking a stance of "we can't all be good people", "some people are just Dbags" or "You can't tell other people what to do" is (IMO) essentially forfeiting your rights to trail access, by allowing the behaviors of others to affect your rights.
    4. Violence is never really a good answer, no matter how "justified" we think it can be.

    I know that if (and when) I see this rider acting irresponsibly again, I will certainly start by alerting rangers/patrol/what have you. I've got no love for someone taking away MY rights, even if it means "incriminating" one of my own user group.
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    I'm not a pacifist, but with my luck I'd kick the little bastards ass, and end up in jail while he gets a lawyer, and I end up with a garnished paycheck for the next 10 years.

    Just saying, there are lot's of times you would like to pound someone, but your better judgement guides you not to.

    I think a good threat would be appropriate, however.

    Something like, "hey, I know these guys on MTBR are staking this place out just so they can booby trap you and drag you into the woods, and pound the crap out of you. I'd recommend being cool before they catch you doing that rude crap."

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    I'm sure the guy referenced by the OP is very afraid of words. He's shown that; and we should certainly reinforce that there's no need to take accountability for his actions as the only real downside is a good talking too.

    The only thing that keeps order in our society (and all others throughout history) is the threat of violence and force. At a domestic level, it's the police, at an international level it's the military. Those that take the approach that they can solve all conflict through non-violence are simply hiding behind the hypocrisy that they're expecting someone else (typically the local PD) to be willing to risk violence to solve their conflicts for them.

    If having the sack to physically stand up for yourself and your friends/family is now labeled as a "tough guy", then so be it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thump
    I'm sure the guy referenced by the OP is very afraid of words. He's shown that; and we should certainly reinforce that there's no need to take accountability for his actions as the only real downside is a good talking too.

    The only thing that keeps order in our society (and all others throughout history) is the threat of violence and force. At a domestic level, it's the police, at an international level it's the military. Those that take the approach that they can solve all conflict through non-violence are simply hiding behind the hypocrisy that they're expecting someone else (typically the local PD) to be willing to risk violence to solve their conflicts for them.

    If having the sack to physically stand up for yourself and your friends/family is now labeled as a "tough guy", then so be it.
    Did you just call me a pu$$y?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ebry74
    Did you just call me a pu$$y?
    Damn straight mofo.. Apex parking lot, pistols at dawn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jugdish
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    hey dude - don't make fun - you could be next on the thread of dudes that need there a$$ed kicked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by imaorobbie
    And if anyone "kicks his ass" they will surely go to jail for assault and this guy will keep riding his bike (and get a new one from the lawsuit he files).

    Stop being so reactionary. No person can tell another what to do. It all comes down to integrity. Calling for heads, and vigilante justice, will get trails shut down the same as inconsiderate riders not following the "rules".
    It's all in how you handle it. If this guy is bombing towards you and you are in fear of bodily damage or worse, you can act. So... toss your bike at him as you dive out of the way (obviously not your good bike!). That ought to get his attention. If he comes up swinging, let the ass kicking begin. If not, call the ambulance for him and the cops and tell them what happened and why you felt you had to defend yourself.

    Not that I'm advocating violence or anything... just self defense!

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    Quote Originally Posted by skiahh
    It's all in how you handle it. If this guy is bombing towards you and you are in fear of bodily damage or worse, you can act. So... toss your bike at him as you dive out of the way (obviously not your good bike!). That ought to get his attention. If he comes up swinging, let the ass kicking begin. If not, call the ambulance for him and the cops and tell them what happened and why you felt you had to defend yourself.

    Not that I'm advocating violence or anything... just self defense!
    I'm probably one of the first to stand up for protecting your personal safety against irresponsible people who have no regard for your safety, but I would encourage all of you to take the higher road and think a little bit about how to really put a stop to this.

    Digital cameras are cheap. Keep one in your back pocket when riding and snap some pics the next time you see him. The next time you want to get in someone's face, pull out the camera instead? If it becomes a verbal confrontation, then most can record sound also

    I'm surprised there's no "wall of shame" on MTBR for taking care of this yet?

    Also, this guy is a "person on a bike" not a mountain biker. You/we are not doing ourselves any favors when we allow him to be stereotypes as a member of the bike community.

    Please be careful about how you throw the term "mountain biker" around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thump
    I'm sure the guy referenced by the OP is very afraid of words. He's shown that; and we should certainly reinforce that there's no need to take accountability for his actions as the only real downside is a good talking too.

    The only thing that keeps order in our society (and all others throughout history) is the threat of violence and force. At a domestic level, it's the police, at an international level it's the military. Those that take the approach that they can solve all conflict through non-violence are simply hiding behind the hypocrisy that they're expecting someone else (typically the local PD) to be willing to risk violence to solve their conflicts for them.

    If having the sack to physically stand up for yourself and your friends/family is now labeled as a "tough guy", then so be it.
    It seems you have a rather black or white viewpoint here.

    The only thing that keeps order in our society (and all others throughout history) is the threat of violence and force.
    Perhaps on a macro level, but on an individual level don't you think there are plenty of people who keep their own order just because its the right thing to do, for religous reasons, for the good of society as a whole, or because they are able to see the long term benefit of a win/win outcome? Is the threat of the cops getting you, the only thing that keeps you from acting out anti-social behavior?

    Those that take the approach that they can solve all conflict through non-violence are simply hiding behind the hypocrisy.......
    Assuming that ALL conflict could be solved non-violently would be an extreme view, and not a view I saw expressed on this thread.
    The idea that non-violence will not work in every situation is not a justification to use violence (as a first resort) in any situation.

    ...simply hiding behind the hypocrisy that they're expecting someone else (typically the local PD) to be willing to risk violence to solve their conflicts for them.
    That's the way its supposed to work isn't it? The PD is supposed solve conflicts in society (and normally non-violently as well). If someone is violating your rights, you are supposed to take it up non-violently with that person, or talk to the cops, or a lawyer, not go out and start kicking ass, right? I'm talking about any case where you are not in danger and in need of immediate violent action to save yourself, of course.

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    Is his girlfriend hot? Did she seems happy with him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by inkpad
    Watch it buddy, that incident happened on San Juan, & I will be on that trail again in a couple weeks, so keep off.
    Dang....I thought you chaps from Colorado were waaay more chill?


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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueMountain
    Is his girlfriend hot? Did she seems happy with him?
    Ha! Yeah if she's hot, and she'll sit in the car and shuttle you back and forth while you do downhills all afternoon........she's a keeper!

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