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    the drugs made me realize it's not about the drugs

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    I like how one of the posters called him Lee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbabuser View Post
    I like how one of the posters called him Lee.

    prob was confused on what site he was trying to defend his wheel size on
    the drugs made me realize it's not about the drugs

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    I love how people pass judgement on a wheel size because it doesn't work for their riding style and their trails. It sounds to me like he just needs to learn how to corner a little better...

    One of my analysis geek goals for the winter is to do some randomized Strava analysis on the two wheel sizes for me on Colorado Springs trails. My Shinobi and my Chilcotin are within a pound of each other and within 20mm front/40mm rear of travel. There are trails where I think the 29er is going to be faster, and trails where the 26er will be faster--I'm curious what the spreads are though.

    All this being said, I still don't get the concept of 27.5"--why have the best of BOTH worlds when you can have the best of EACH world!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kristian View Post
    ......I still don't get the concept of 27.5"--why have the best of BOTH worlds when you can have the best of EACH world!
    hating on the tweener size? your a wheelsizeist!

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    I still suck at riding on any wheel size.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lubes17319 View Post
    I still suck at riding on any wheel size.
    I feel your pain....
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    Glad we finally found the authority on wheel size. I have a 29er now and really like it, but I must be mistaken. I think I'll keep it though, cause it's real cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kristian View Post
    It sounds to me like he just needs to learn how to corner a little better...
    Yeah, he needs to sign up for one of those Better Ride clinics and learn to have fun better!
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    I think you missed his point. He was simply talking about what is more fun, for him.

    To Kristian : As with the analysis you are proposing, you are only looking at one factor, time. Do you really care if one is 10 seconds faster if its less fun to ride?

    Its like having a cupcake contest and only judging it on the size and disregarding how it tastes.
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    Just pick your favorite wheel size and be a d!ck about it...

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    I'm still trying to come to the realization how all 29'rs are created equal

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    Quote Originally Posted by MK_ View Post
    Just pick your favorite wheel size and be a d!ck about it...

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    exactly.

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    Wait, this is MTBR; everything sucks

    Larger wheel size does not spell earlier doom for driveshells/freewheels. If that were the case, we'd all be riding those little bikes the circus clowns tool around on under the big tents.

    If you have crappy/poorly maintained components, a butcher for a bike mechanic (or suffer from mechanical ineptness), run weight weenie stuff and tip the Clyde'ometer, have 10/11 speed drive train (that has a greater tendency to snap and finicky when barely out of alignment) or who knows what else... then it is quite reasonable to expect something less than Sherman Tank performance.

    I'm not the guy from that THING

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    I personally love the way I feel "in" the bike. Like it's an extension of my body.

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    Quote Originally Posted by billybobzia View Post
    To Kristian : As with the analysis you are proposing, you are only looking at one factor, time. Do you really care if one is 10 seconds faster if its less fun to ride?

    Its like having a cupcake contest and only judging it on the size and disregarding how it tastes.
    Yeah, but I have an ear-to-ear grin when I ride ANY bike. One of the segments I plan on riding is called "Cobblestone" and it's about a 200 foot descent down a rock-embedded pinball machine of a trail. I have just as much fun going down that trail on a fully rigid SS as I do bombing down it on a DH bike so I can't quantify "fun" very easily. That being said, riding fast IS fun to me. So theoretically having the ability to ride faster should be more "fun" than riding slower right? (at least for a given level of control--which again is hard to quantify).

    Since I'm still geeking out about how I'm going to set up my analysis, I welcome any input on how I could expand it to be more than just time. I was thinking about taking a few notes such as number of dabs (if any) for each run, and max speed, as well as a subjective "how clean was that run?" type of metrics. At the end of the day, I will ride the same line on both bikes (or the rigid for that matter) though, so I can't think of a better way to judge than time--especially since I already know how much fun it is to ride both the 26er and the 29er!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Streetdoctor View Post
    I personally love the way I feel "in" the bike. Like it's an extension of my body.
    29ers are laterally stiff, yet vertically compliant. They make your breath smell sweet, and help you last longer in the sack. 29ers are rich in anti-oxidants.

    27.5 causes emphysema. And irritable bowel syndrome. Some patients experience numbness or tingling.

    26" wheels led to the holocaust. When you ride a 26", your life is shortened by a full minute every mile you ride.

    Anybody who rides anything but a 29" wheel is a fool. A fool I say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kristian View Post
    Yeah, but I have an ear-to-ear grin when I ride ANY bike. One of the segments I plan on riding is called "Cobblestone" and it's about a 200 foot descent down a rock-embedded pinball machine of a trail. I have just as much fun going down that trail on a fully rigid SS as I do bombing down it on a DH bike so I can't quantify "fun" very easily. That being said, riding fast IS fun to me. So theoretically having the ability to ride faster should be more "fun" than riding slower right? (at least for a given level of control--which again is hard to quantify).

    Since I'm still geeking out about how I'm going to set up my analysis, I welcome any input on how I could expand it to be more than just time. I was thinking about taking a few notes such as number of dabs (if any) for each run, and max speed, as well as a subjective "how clean was that run?" type of metrics. At the end of the day, I will ride the same line on both bikes (or the rigid for that matter) though, so I can't think of a better way to judge than time--especially since I already know how much fun it is to ride both the 26er and the 29er!
    Are all sections down hill? If you have a cadence / HR monitor you could throw that in. Do you spin more or less on one bike or the other. Does one give you a higher average HR than the other?
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    Many of the sections I was going to measure are downhill. Besides just being geeky, one of the reasons why I want to quantify "which bike is better" is to help choose which bike I race at The Captain next summer (if that race even happens in 2014). The timed sections on that race are 85% downhill so I was going to measure consistently with that. There is also the fact that I can bang out 6+ downhill runs in a day with consistent times if I relax on the climbs, but if I push on the climbs, I will get slower each on each run.

    I'm obviously still vetting my methodology here though, and it wouldn't be a fair comparison if I didn't have a few timed climbing sections too I guess.

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    my .02 is based on killz and 29er is leading.

    - 29ers tend to roll faster - taken out a mouse, a rabbit, and a bird. Thats three killz, so far.

    - the fatty came close to rolling over a mouse but phat wheels are too slow - so no killz, yet.

    - the ole 26ers always tried to do me in. no killz recorded. thank goodness.

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    I can't believe no one has mentioned the age factor yet. The older you get, the bigger wheels you need in order to spare your ego. Simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbabuser View Post
    Yeah, he needs to sign up for one of those Better Ride clinics and learn to have fun better!
    no way, he should take a class from Lee.
    way moar better


    I really have to agree with Gene Lee, though. After riding wagon wheels for a spell, kiddie wheels are fuuuuuuun sh!t
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    Hey, can I join in?

    I got a 29" wheel bike in early August. My 26" S-Woks Epic finally was getting to the point that I didn't feel good about riding it hard and I needed a bike for the Breck Epic. I was actually very interested in the Santa Cruise Solo 27.5) but couldn't get one on short notice and probably couldn't get a great deal on one either so I got a Specialized Camber which I could get right away and for a great price.

    My thoughts in 29"? Well, they're pretty much the same as they were before I bought the bike: Compared to 26", 29" wheels do some things very well and some things not that well. I get the roll over, but they feel awkward cornering, especially tight cornering. They don't accelerate like smaller wheels although once you get them up to speed, they can keep their momentum very nicely. However, given all the gushing and love talk from the niner bots I'd say 29" wheels are a bit overrated compared to the hype.

    I do keep in mind I'm going from a 23# race bike to a 28# "trail" bike so I understand there is a bit of apples and oranges to the genre comparison. It's a nice bike, no doubt and I [I]like[I] it, but I'm not in love with it like I was my Epic.

    Part of it is the weight - when you have a really light bike and you like doing big loops with lots of climbing, you get to really like a light bike. I think with some carbon wheels, remove the dropper post and save it for desert trips with lots of steep ledge type drops and run a carbon seatpost for most of my riding, maybe go carbon on and lighten up a few other things like stem and handlebar and take 3-4 pounds off. If the bike was around 25-26# I'd probably like it better.

    All that said, I'd like to check out 27.5" to see what they ride like and possibly sell the Camber while it's still fairly new and go with something like the Solo if I like it a lot.

    In the end though it's just a bike and it works.

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    29er is a wheel size??? Man, I have been looking for a 27.5 year old hottie to replace my 29 year old hag...
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    It must be close to winter... because this guy's blog doesn't deserve two posts let alone 24. Hopefully the sun comes out soon and we can all go ride our bikes instead of giving Gene the page views he needs to keep spitting out more drivel.

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    agreed. I love how people compare a 29er that they've ridden just a few times to THEIR FAVORITE BIKE that they've owned for 8 YEARS.

    um...yeah, your 8 year-old bike is gonna feel pretty damn awesome, no matter what you ride before or after it. haha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kristian View Post
    Yeah, but I have an ear-to-ear grin when I ride ANY bike. One of the segments I plan on riding is called "Cobblestone" and it's about a 200 foot descent down a rock-embedded pinball machine of a trail. I have just as much fun going down that trail on a fully rigid SS as I do bombing down it on a DH bike so I can't quantify "fun" very easily. That being said, riding fast IS fun to me. So theoretically having the ability to ride faster should be more "fun" than riding slower right? (at least for a given level of control--which again is hard to quantify).

    Since I'm still geeking out about how I'm going to set up my analysis, I welcome any input on how I could expand it to be more than just time. I was thinking about taking a few notes such as number of dabs (if any) for each run, and max speed, as well as a subjective "how clean was that run?" type of metrics. At the end of the day, I will ride the same line on both bikes (or the rigid for that matter) though, so I can't think of a better way to judge than time--especially since I already know how much fun it is to ride both the 26er and the 29er!
    Well then I suppose you will have to measure the size of your smile?
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    I think all further wheel size discussions should be replaced with breast size. It's just as relevant, has as much impact on actually riding your bike, and is more fun to talk about. Just like auto correct in word all references to wheel will be replaced with hooter, boobiez, ta tahhh, or some other pronoun of choice. 26 will be A cup, 27.5 (650b) will be B cup, and 29 will be C cup. Anything else will be irrelevant because it's just not useful. 36" wheels are too big and not trail worthy, 24" are for kids.

    Continue with new words at will........
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    Doesn't seem like good advertising for his riding clinics if it took him 8 years to figure out the obvious.

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    breast post I've read in a long time. + rep given.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleTrail View Post
    Doesn't seem like good advertising for his riding clinics if it took him 8 years to figure out the obvious.
    +1 .....
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    Quote Originally Posted by billybobzia View Post
    Well then I suppose you will have to measure the size of your smile?
    Quote Originally Posted by kristian View Post
    Yeah, but I have an ear-to-ear grin when I ride ANY bike.

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    Getting an objective measurement out of something so subjective would be difficult.
    the drugs made me realize it's not about the drugs

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    29ers still suck

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    I still suck at riding on any wheel size.
    Me too!


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    I think everyone should get brand new 27.5 bikes. Unless you just bought one, then you should get another one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaj View Post
    I think everyone should get brand new 27.5 bikes. Unless you just bought one, then you should get another one.

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    Now let's be clear here:

    Everyone needs:

    New 27.5 enduro bike
    New 27.5 trail bike
    Two (2) new fatbikes (one snow, one hunting-specific)
    New gravel bike
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomP View Post
    Now let's be clear here:

    Everyone needs:

    New 27.5 enduro bike
    New 27.5 trail bike
    Two (2) new fatbikes (one snow, one hunting-specific)
    New gravel bike
    no, you got it wrong, didn't you read the original post.. everyone needs one 26 inch trail bike, one 26 inch xc and DH bike (or was that another thread).. damn I am confused
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomP View Post
    Now let's be clear here:

    Everyone needs:

    New 27.5 enduro bike
    New 27.5 trail bike
    Two (2) new fatbikes (one snow, one hunting-specific)
    New gravel bike
    Are those in addition to the bikes I already have, or should I buy a new dj'er, bmx and roadbike, too? Should I get those in 27.5, too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayson44 View Post
    agreed. I love how people compare a 29er that they've ridden just a few times to THEIR FAVORITE BIKE that they've owned for 8 YEARS.

    um...yeah, your 8 year-old bike is gonna feel pretty damn awesome, no matter what you ride before or after it. haha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomP View Post
    Now let's be clear here:

    Everyone needs:

    New B Cup enduro that likes to go down
    New B Cup trail that likes to get out there
    Two (2) new Lane Bryants (one snow, one hunting-specific) - just don't let your friends see you on them.
    New gravel bike (cold and bitter)
    Fixed that for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbabuser View Post
    Are those in addition to the bikes I already have, or should I buy a new dj'er, bmx and roadbike, too? Should I get those in 27.5, too?
    You have to ask??

    Anything more than 2 weeks old is totally obsolete, worthless, and offensive. Everybody knows that.
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    29ers still suck

    I suck at 26 and I suck at 29. I haven't tried 27.5 yet but I would probably suck at that as we'll.

    As for boobies. We'll that has to be DD.


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    I too, went from a weight-weenie full suspension 26er, running a wall-climbing, 20t low granny and I tell you....the learning curve and re-fitness required to push the wagon wheels, ten-tooth taller gearing and 26-pound bike was a humbling experience. The good thing is my fitness finally caught up and now I'm LOVING the 29er; downhill - it plows through baby heads, roots, ruts and 1-2foot drops with reckless abandon. Uphill - it smooths over steep rock steps, and once the wheels spin-up...my heart rate can recover some, as the 29er maintains momentum well.
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    I'm going to get in trouble but I cant help it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zachariah View Post
    I too, went from a weight-weenie full suspension A Cup, running a wall-climbing, 20t low granny and I tell you....the learning curve and re-fitness required to push the wagon hooters, taller gearing and 26-pound bike was a humbling experience. The good thing is my fitness finally caught up and now I'm LOVING the C cup; downhill - it plows through baby heads, roots, ruts and 1-2 foot drops with reckless abandon. Uphill - it smooths over steep rock steps, and once the hooters spin-up...my heart rate can recover some, as the C cup maintains momentum well.
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    Re: 29ers still suck

    Quote Originally Posted by WKD-RDR View Post
    What that guy wrote in that article is dead on to my experience as well. And I like my 29er, it is enjoyable, and I have gotten pretty fast on it and I mean setting PRs on it all the time with it lately...but it has its negatives.

    The eye opener was riding the 29er for months then finally taking the 26er out.... that bike was like "***** WATCH THIS" and with great energy it took me on a crazy fast ride. Fast enough to to bkow away a couple 29er PRs...with ease which was the crazy part.

    I could see why though, it was just better suited for our trails..with a quickness!

    I enjoy going back and forth between the two sizes. It's nice to contrast between the two.



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    If you ride a 29er out in the woods but nobody sees you, is it still cool?
    So it seems to me to be, this thing that I think I see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zephxiii View Post
    What that guy wrote in that article is dead on to my experience as well. And I like my C cup, it is enjoyable, and I have gotten pretty fast on it and I mean setting PRs on it all the time with it lately...but it has its negatives.

    The eye opener was riding the C cup for months then finally taking the A cup out.... that bike was like "***** WATCH THIS" and with great energy it took me on a crazy fast ride. Fast enough to to bkow away a couple C cup PRs...with ease which was the crazy part.

    I could see why though, it was just better suited for our trails..with a quickness!

    I enjoy going back and forth between the two sizes. It's nice to contrast between the two.

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    If you ride a C cup out in the woods but nobody sees you, is it still cool?
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    Well played good sir. Well played.

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    I think this video proves that wagon wheels are superior.


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    Quote Originally Posted by WKD-RDR View Post
    I think this video proves that c cups are superior.


    Fixed

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    and here, look at this video




    because your wheels are always on the ground and pumping/jumping is never a factor while riding a bike.
    When will Gene learn how to ride!
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    They consider that rough terrain? Whatever...

    Bike Radar just lost cool points with that vid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Short Bus View Post
    They consider that rough terrain? Whatever...

    Bike Radar just lost cool points with that vid.
    Well this one is even better.




    dude on a HT and lycra can keep up with a fully kitted DH rider, thru ROUGH terrain!
    Dam, I mean if that isn't proof, I dunno what is
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomP View Post
    Fixed

    (beat you to it Jay!)
    Dang! I actually work for a few minutes and I miss it.
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    because your Hooters are always on the ground and pumping/jumping is never a factor while riding a bike.
    When will Gene learn how to ride!
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    Dang! I actually work for a few minutes and I miss it.
    That'll teach you. Keep your priorities straight mister.
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    I have to go visit a tortilla company and do some work. Mind the ship Tom.
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    I have to go visit a tortilla company and do some work. Mind the ship Tom.
    I'm on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brokefork View Post
    My ass hurts today.
    Visitors last night?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomP View Post
    Now let's be clear here:

    Everyone needs:

    New 27.5 enduro bike
    New 27.5 trail bike
    Two (2) new fatbikes (one snow, one hunting-specific)
    New gravel bike
    Fat bikes, now there's an example of drinking the Kool Aid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zrm View Post
    Fat bikes, now there's an example of drinking the Kool Aid
    Dang, I don't think we have a proper Cup Size name for fat bikes! Certainly A-Cup does not apply.

    Jay? We need to solve this! The validity of the cup size terminology is at stake!!
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    That is the Layne Bryant size

    Quote Originally Posted by TomP View Post
    Dang, I don't think we have a proper Cup Size name for fat bikes! Certainly A-Cup does not apply.

    Jay? We need to solve this! The validity of the cup size terminology is at stake!!
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    Hmmm.... all this talk about wheel size and boobies.... probably means that I still ride 26" because I prefer smaller breasts?

    But, I have to say that I am more of a "bottom bracket" type of guy...

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    Yes. Of course. Thank GOD you have that covered.

    Phew. Gotta calm down a little, that was upsetting for a minute.
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    Visitors last night?

    No, it just hurts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnnydrz View Post
    Hmmm.... all this talk about wheel size and boobies.... probably means that I still ride 26" because I prefer smaller breasts?

    But, I have to say that I am more of a "bottom bracket" type of guy...
    Nothing beats a strong BB area

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    Quote Originally Posted by WKD-RDR View Post
    Well this one is even better.




    dude on a HT and lycra can keep up with a fully kitted DH rider, thru ROUGH terrain!
    Dam, I mean if that isn't proof, I dunno what is
    One, that wasn't rough. Two, that "downhiller" was going slow. The "XC" trails I ride (a few of my peers ride rigid on them, I ride a 26" hardtail, 80mm fork) are way worse than that stuff.

    That guy annoyed me too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FastBanana View Post
    One, that wasn't rough. Two, that "downhiller" was going slow. The "XC" trails I ride (a few of my peers ride rigid on them, I ride a 26" hardtail, 80mm fork) are way worse than that stuff.

    That guy annoyed me too.
    From the accent I would say that they are from the Bristol/south west part of England. They don't know rough out there: it's all dirt and mud. Actually rough is having to push your bike though 6 inches of gloop...

    When it does get rough is when you ride on the bridleways in winter and the horse chewed up mud freezes solid. I swear, at least where I used to live in England, that stuff was way rougher than anything out here

    But I digress. Those videos make the Brits look like a bunch of pansies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adolf Hitler - 1936
    To overcome a resistant society, content with their wheel size, we must introduce a new, yet completely ludicrous new size. Once we have completely destabilized all that was known and familiar to this society, once we have torn the very fabric they have known, only then can we properly assimilate them.
    When you look at the real agenda behind the 650b movement, some of the supporters are really scary. Don't let history repeat itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingsqueak View Post
    When you look at the real agenda behind the 650b movement, some of the supporters are really scary. Don't let history repeat itself.
    Yep. The A Cup people (pity them) and C Cup-sters like myself will soon be loaded onto box cars and shipped away to be processed. The Final Solution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomP View Post
    Yep. The A Cup people (pity them) and C Cup-sters like myself will soon be loaded onto box cars and shipped away to be processed. The Final Solution.
    I like my C Cup. Maybe we can get the same rail car together. Maybe make a 46'er. Trainer in the back and D cup in the front.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaycastlerock View Post
    ... Maybe we can get the same rail car together. Maybe make a 46'er. Trainer in the back and D cup in the front.
    That would be cool. We could settle in for the trip and start bickering about The Best Tires for the Front Range. Or right-of-way.
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    I switched to a 21" front and 18" rear last year. I'm faster than ever, especially on the climbs
    Braa-a-aap.
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    <snip> Those videos make the Brits look like a bunch of pansies.
    You mean to tell me they aren't?

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    This video proves... nothing, but it's cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hernando Gutierrez
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    Quote Originally Posted by kristian View Post
    I love how people pass judgement on a wheel size because it doesn't work for their riding style and their trails. It sounds to me like he just needs to learn how to corner a little better...

    One of my analysis geek goals for the winter is to do some randomized Strava analysis on the two wheel sizes for me on Colorado Springs trails. My Shinobi and my Chilcotin are within a pound of each other and within 20mm front/40mm rear of travel. There are trails where I think the 29er is going to be faster, and trails where the 26er will be faster--I'm curious what the spreads are though.

    All this being said, I still don't get the concept of 27.5"--why have the best of BOTH worlds when you can have the best of EACH world!
    I could give a shit as to which of my bikes is faster; I own one in each size. There are conditions where 26" is funner than 29" and vice versa. But overall the 27.5" is the sweet spot. Rolls a little better than the 26", just enough to feel a difference, though handles a little slower but not enough to make it feel like wagon wheels. Does not roll like a 29" but handles much better. Anyone who has hung up climbing tight switchbacks on 29", when the wagon wheels are just too much to get going and pedal out, knows one of the 29" defects. Another being just trying to throw it around.

    So the best description of 27.5" is not having to live with the WORST of each of the other two sizes.

    26" is stunt and jumping size; 29" cyclocross and XC racing size; and 27.5" is trail riding size.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dwt View Post
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    A cup is stunt and jumping size; C cup cyclocross and XC racing size; and B cup is trail riding size.
    Fixed that for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dwt View Post
    26" is stunt and jumping size; 29" cyclocross and XC racing size; and 27.5" is trail riding size.
    Meh, my Covert 29 is just as nimble and more confidence inspiring than my old RFX ever was, and I had more fun on it at Trestles than I did on a full on DH bike. 29ers aren't just for XC anymore, their are a handful of AM style wagon wheel bikes now that handle much nicer, they have fiqured out the geo.

    GOOOOO C cup

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    Quote Originally Posted by rroeder View Post
    Meh, my Covert 29 is just as nimble and more confidence inspiring than my old RFX ever was, and I had more fun on it at Trestles than I did on a full on DH bike. 29ers aren't just for XC anymore, their are a handful of AM style wagon wheel bikes now that handle much nicer, they have fiqured out the geo.

    GOOOOO C cup
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    Hopefully not as in killer
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    Are we still comparing 26" apples to 29" grapefruit?

    People... PICK A TIRE SIZE AND BE A D*CK ABOUT IT. It's really that simple...

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    Why pick? Why not have both? Oh yeah, cuz I'm not wealthy. I'll stick to 26"

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    Are we still comparing 26" apples to 29" grapefruit?

    People... PICK A TIRE SIZE AND BE A D*CK ABOUT IT. It's really that simple...
    Don't forget 27.5" applefruit, he said dickishly

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    Why pick? Why not have both? Oh yeah, cuz I'm not wealthy. I'll stick to 26"

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    I'm not wealthy but have one of each. So I'm qualified to say that 29'ers suck, but not all the time. 29" is rarely my bike of choice (others are more fun to play on) OTOH, it can be bike of necessity when everyone else is riding theirs (because they DO tend to be the fastest and struggling to keep pace is not fun)
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