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    24-Hours of COS 2011

    24-Hours of Colorado Springs is happening on October 1 and 2, 2011. The race is USA Cycling Mountain Bike 24-Hour National Championships!

    24-Hours of COS

    USA Cycling National Championships - 2011 Race Schedule

    Race proceeds will proudly be donated to help assist families and soldiers of our military through support of The Wounded Warrior Project.

    *Racers and support should be prepared for a cool/cold night, however, the race course is very near to hotels, restaurants, gas stations, etc. Although schools will be in session, this could be a great chance for a mini-vacation for families and friends.

    *Expect lap times of 60mins for elite riders. The race course has moderate to challenging single track with several modest climbs and lots of flowing twisty fun. Solo racers can expect designated areas for support/camping. Teams (Duo and 4-Person) will have a transition and support area near the finish line, however, camping areas will be separate.

    *Camping rules must be followed, see website, but note that our climate is very dry, especially in Sept., Oct. Please plan for gas or charcoal grills, but no open flames, fire-pans...wood burning in general.

    On behalf of the amazing riding community of Colorado Springs, our growing list of sponsors, the City of Colorado Springs, and the mountain bike crazed state of Colorado; I would like to invite riders across America to join us in the ultimate test of endurance racing.

    Sincerely,
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    I wouldn't rule out a wet Sept./Oct. We had 20" of snow in October 1997... And without a doubt the long night will be cold.

    Should be a great race worthy of a National Championship.

    Congrats Tim!

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    Is this on for sure, given the cancellation of the road race that was supposed to be on the Academy next month?

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    Quote Originally Posted by givemeabeer View Post
    Is this on for sure, given the cancellation of the road race that was supposed to be on the Academy next month?
    Yes, on for sure! At the Academy for sure, well now that I can't promise. It's a Department of Defense issue that, even if restrictions ease up, could change over night. We are working to ensure the race happens in our area no matter what. So, yes it is on for sure!!

    While the Academy is an obvious first choice, we have so many miles of great trails and some great venues that could be host of the race that I'm just absolutely fired up to show off this community's racing spirit and mountain bike pride!!

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    http://www.outtherecolorado.com/blog...lmer-park.html

    Evidently the Academy strikes again--good on Tim for having lots of foresight and thinking this through just in case he lost the Academy venue.

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    I read there's no campfires or alcohol. I understand the no campfires thing, but alcohol?? Come on...

    I hear there will be a mandatory stop to racing at 9:00am Sunday for a church service led by Focus on the Family...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bena1916 View Post
    http://www.outtherecolorado.com/blog...lmer-park.html

    Evidently the Academy strikes again--good on Tim for having lots of foresight and thinking this through just in case he lost the Academy venue.
    Sweet!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggs View Post
    I read there's no campfires or alcohol. I understand the no campfires thing, but alcohol?? Come on...

    I hear there will be a mandatory stop to racing at 9:00am Sunday for a church service led by Focus on the Family...
    Ha, funny stuff...maybe you could be in charge of the church time, sounds like you're all for that sort of thing?!

    Last year there was a fire ban in the front range due to a huge fire in Boulder and extremely dry conditions...so the organizers followed up with the Academy Fire Dept., but we couldn't have wood/charcoal fires at the last minute. As for alcohol, it wasn't sold or provided or seemed to be an issue.

    Don't know what the plans are for this year, but hopefully you can have a beer iv when needed. oh, and prayer time especially for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggs View Post
    I read there's no campfires or alcohol. I understand the no campfires thing, but alcohol?? Come on...

    I hear there will be a mandatory stop to racing at 9:00am Sunday for a church service led by Focus on the Family...

    Alcoholic beverages are prohibited in City Parks by Ordinance No 9-9-410
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    Quote Originally Posted by kchri View Post
    Alcoholic beverages are prohibited in City Parks by Ordinance No 9-9-410

    Sounds about right. Co Springs has so much potential to be a great town (good location, great trails, mountains close buy, nice climate, etc..) but it will never live up to it. The churchy's, military, and now no booze in parks just ruin it.

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    Don't forget the hating lawyers bringing us down. Check out the comments made by FR after the article.
    http://www.outtherecolorado.com/blog...lmer-park.html

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    Lawyers bring everyone down.

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    Wiggs brings everyone down maybe he should go find somewhere else too.

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    hitechredneck - ohh, you live in C Springs.

    Ouch! I'm sorry.

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    There should be a way around some of the ordinances...special events are just that, "special" so what gives? If alcohol is allowed or properly sold at an event permitted to do so, then whats the big deal...no one is inviting neighbor children to ride a lap then suck down a cold one and send the poor lil dears into hyper-dehydration.

    Heck, the neighborhood kids are up there hiding in the rocks and having sex already(and have been for years, any graduate of a city HS will tell you if they are honest).

    Hmm, so now that weed is so acceptable, not, but whatever...I wonder, if there is no alcohol per No9-9-410, thanks for that random bit of trivia kchri, who knows that sort of thing anyway?!, then do you think they would prefer a dispensary? Okay, bad idea

    Besides, it's not like the "no booze in parks" thing is new, I heard ol'man General Palmer was pretty strict about the sauce (http://www.coloradovacation.com/hist...am-palmer.html). Maybe that's why the parks are dry.

    Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TeeWon View Post
    ...thanks for that random bit of trivia kchri, who knows that sort of thing anyway?!,...
    Google:

    http://www.springsgov.com/Page.aspx?NavID=2066
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    I wouldn't be to worried about getting busted in the park with your beer! The CSPD will not even come out there if your car gets broken into and your stuff gets stolen. They tell you to fill out an online report!! Now that's the way to "protect and serve" CSPD, F-ing joke! Drink it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waafoo View Post
    I wouldn't be to worried about getting busted in the park with your beer! The CSPD will not even come out there if your car gets broken into and your stuff gets stolen. They tell you to fill out an online report!! Now that's the way to "protect and serve" CSPD, F-ing joke! Drink it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KarateChicken View Post
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    All's I know is there have been plenty a beers drank in that park even though the sign says no alcohol. I'd suspect they will have police at the barricades that will be closing the park during this event. However guarding every point of entry will be next to impossible.

    I'd keep an eye open for hikers with heavy packs

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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleTrail View Post
    That kids a BAD@SS! Why would he run from a chicken? OH he knows Karate also.

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    I really think this is a great thing for the City of CS. It will showcase some of the great riding this town has and how a park that is so central in location can KICK ASS! The GoPP lawyer guy will fight this and try to have the event moved, he needs to hear the whole plan and see that if the city wants to hold this event there, he is **** out of luck on flexing his over paid degree and fees! The trails will see some much needed help from people working to get them race ready and whos knows, maybe some money might find it's way to the likes of Med Wheel to help with the park as a whole. The GoPP have some good people, but they also have some idiots, the park needs some trail help and its clear that the GoPP are not doing the job! When has the park seen some good trail work being done? Support this event and I promise that the park will be better from it!

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    You guys just better pick up all your goo wrappers...
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    Quote Originally Posted by oranje23 View Post
    I really think this is a great thing for the City of CS. It will showcase some of the great riding this town has and how a park that is so central in location can KICK ASS! The GoPP lawyer guy will fight this and try to have the event moved, he needs to hear the whole plan and see that if the city wants to hold this event there, he is ****
    Unfortunately, there are several people who echo his biases on the City Parks Board, and especially TOPS board. Witness the recent actions of the F0RRP who decided to build stairs on Section 16.

    Considering his actions I'm tempted to write the Parks Board/City Council and request his resignation as head of the FoPP.

    Perhaps we need to start a petition? or a group signed letter? Anyone interested in signing?

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    The article said the Parks Board was unanimous in their support. I think he is a lone wolf, but taking care of the park is something the organizers (Tim) and Park Dept. are sure to take seriously. For sure oranje23 is right on, the park needs this attention.

    I can't wait for this race. I was excited for last year, but this, now, in PPark...its got to be one of the greatest ideas ever. Anyone see the video interview with Cameron Chambers, SS Nat. Champ.?

    <object width="425" height="349"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/fU5qH2yvVJc?version=3&amp;hl=en_US"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="never"></param><embed wmode="opaque" src="http://www.youtube.com/v/fU5qH2yvVJc?version=3&amp;hl=en_US" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="425" height="349" allowscriptaccess="never" allowfullscreen="true"></embed> <param name="wmode" value="opaque"></param></object>

    AAAHHHH SOME!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TeeWon View Post
    The article said the Parks Board was unanimous in their support. I think he is a lone wolf, but taking care of the park is something the organizers (Tim) and Park Dept. are sure to take seriously. For sure oranje23 is right on, the park needs this attention.
    My comments are more big picture than a single race.

    Trust me. There are some very shrewd people on the Parks and TOPS boards and while they may have come out in public in support of it, you don't have to go very far to find out that they are wprking behind the scenes to make sure that it doesn't continue.

    Conservation Easements are a very effective tool for eliminating "competitive events" and "active use" recreation.


    Colorado Springs TOPS Minutes 5/4/11
    http://www.springsgov.com/Files/TOPS...S%205-4-11.pdf

    Discussion on Defining Passive Recreation Uses for TOPS Open Space Properties

    Ian Kalmanowitz introduced the guidelines that he, Linda Hodges, and Jackie Hilaire met to create for the definition of Passive Recreation uses for TOPS open space properties. A matrix using yes or no answers to 5 questions was created to determine whether a proposed activity or use is passive or not. The use is not defined as passive versus active recreation but as passive versus organized, competitive or mechanized recreation. If the answer to all five questions is no then the activity is permitted. If the answer to one or more of the questions is yes then the activity is not permitted. These are guidelines for staff to use in determining whether a requested permit for an event should be issued. These guidelines should not serve to limit individual use of open spaces (but the door has been opened and TOPS can modify it, or interpret it, to do so at a later date). Jackie Hilaire added that the subcommittee used the extensive previous discussion from 2009 to create this matrix as a starting point or a pilot process which may need to be adjusted in the future.

    Call to Action: Active vs. Passive use in TOPS parks redefined (again)

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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleTrail View Post
    Considering his actions I'm tempted to write the Parks Board/City Council and request his resignation as head of the FoPP.
    Sorry UT, but I'm a little slow. Who's resignation might you be asking for and why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curtis C View Post
    Sorry UT, but I'm a little slow. Who's resignation might you be asking for and why?

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    The President of Friends of Palmer Park.

    I feel his comments are very uneducated and biased for someone in his position and do nothing for user group relations.

    Posted on the Gazette.

    Frederic R. Pamp ∑ Lawyer at Self employed
    Tom, if you're home from Italy, I hope you guys had a good trip. Second, you will find that I have completely the opposite view -- we will be busy trying to repair the damage the race causes. I just sent out a blast to the second half of the email list -- as President of GoPP, would you be so kind as to forward it to the first half? And as I said, would you give me 5 minutes on the agenda at the next Board meeting, to address this issue?

    Frederic R. Pamp ∑ Lawyer at Self employed
    What an unmitigated disaster for the park and for those of us who love and use it.
    http://www.outtherecolorado.com/blog...lmer-park.html


    "Unmitigated disaster"?

    Maybe you could rename the race:
    Nuclear Meltdown in Palmer Park?

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    OK. I read that already. For some reason I thought you meant head of GOPP(I told you I'm slow)

    The only thing I find on FOPP is a facebook page From New Orleans. Is there a place I can read about them? So is the Pamp fella head of FOPP?

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    No he is not the president, just a member who happens to be a lawyer. But I think he wants to be the president og GoPP some day.

    The GoPP website is http://www.gopalmerpark.org

    Agree or disagree with what they do, come out and help do some work on 7/23/11 and make sure they know you ride and support the event being held at Palmer. It is a group with good intentions just not enough involved bikers. Want any additional info PM me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mczen View Post
    No he is not the president, just a member who happens to be a lawyer. But I think he wants to be the president og GoPP some day.

    The GoPP website is http://www.gopalmerpark.org

    Agree or disagree with what they do, come out and help do some work on 7/23/11 and make sure they know you ride and support the event being held at Palmer. It is a group with good intentions just not enough involved bikers. Want any additional info PM me.
    My mistake, his posting makes it difficult to tell if he is talking about himself or someone else.

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    Sorry UT and everyone it was late. FR is NOT the president and does not speak for all members of GoPP. He does think GoPP is to bike friendly and more needs to be done to control the "erosion machines".

    He may have a degree but he is far from educated.

    Please consider coming out on 7/23/11 @ 8-11am to help with some trail work. If you have any feed back please PM me with it.

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    So what about training for a race at Palmer Park. I hear what Cameron says in the video, but whats a practical approach for being ready for these trails for the long haul?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mczen View Post
    Sorry UT and everyone it was late. FR is NOT the president and does not speak for all members of GoPP. He does think GoPP is to bike friendly and more needs to be done to control the "erosion machines".

    He may have a degree but he is far from educated.

    Please consider coming out on 7/23/11 @ 8-11am to help with some trail work. If you have any feed back please PM me with it.
    I still think they should rename the race Nuclear Meltdown.

    After 7 hrs in the saddle yesterday, I'm toast. Can't imagine what 24 would be like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mczen View Post
    Please consider coming out on 7/23/11 @ 8-11am to help with some trail work. If you have any feed back please PM me with it.
    mczen,

    Could you provide some additional details such as where to meet, anticipated work environment (picking up trash, bring a shovel, etc.), which trails are to be worked on, etc. I just spoke with Andy and we'll send the info out to the Sand Creek Sports contact list and hopefully get you some volunteers.

    cheers, matt

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    Matt and Andy,

    Thank you for helping out. We will be meeting in the parking area off Maizeland & Academy at AM. Look for the RV and GoPP sign. All tools will be provided, so only bring personal items like a hat, sunscreen, water and work gloves,long pants may be a good idea but not necessary. I have several different sections to work on depending on the turnout. If you have a section you would like to see work on let me know. I will be heading out Tues or wed to start planning and you are more than welcome to join me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mczen View Post
    Matt and Andy,

    Thank you for helping out. We will be meeting in the parking area off Maizeland & Academy at AM. Look for the RV and GoPP sign. All tools will be provided, so only bring personal items like a hat, sunscreen, water and work gloves,long pants may be a good idea but not necessary. I have several different sections to work on depending on the turnout. If you have a section you would like to see work on let me know. I will be heading out Tues or wed to start planning and you are more than welcome to join me.
    What time where you thinking about going over on Tues or Wed? Unfortunately I still have a day time job so I couldn't meet you there until late, say 6:30 PM either day unless you went over in the morning around 7 AM.

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    bena pm sent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggs View Post
    Sounds about right. Co Springs has so much potential to be a great town (good location, great trails, mountains close buy, nice climate, etc..) but it will never live up to it. The churchy's, military, and now no booze in parks just ruin it.
    What exactly does the military do to hold the town back? I'd like to hear your expert opinion.

    I live in COS and am not native, but my wife is. I find that most of the BS thrown it's way come from people who base their opinions off of one news story, but have rarely experienced or lived in the town.

    Ignorance is bliss I suppose. C Springs is a hell of a lot more diverse than Boulder, unless you deem diversity as rich white people acting like dropouts and creating zoning laws to keep everyone not like them out. The riding in the Springs sure beats the concrete bike paths in Denver. I don't really see any group holding this town back. Sure, the "church" types make the news, but the town is close to half a million now, and one label does not fit down here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoomie View Post
    What exactly does the military do to hold the town back? I'd like to hear your expert opinion.
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    The percentage of agro military guys with buzzed hair cuts, bad tattoos, and loud military mouths is way too high. No thanks...

    I guess if you're married with kids and never leave your subdivision, it's probably not so bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggs View Post
    The percentage of agro military guys with buzzed hair cuts, bad tattoos, and loud military mouths is way too high. No thanks...

    I guess if you're married with kids and never leave your subdivision, it's probably not so bad.
    Please don't disrespect the men and women that put their lives on the line to serve our country.

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    Zoomie asked my opinion. No disrespect to military folks, just an honest observation.

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    Have you ever even been to Colorado Springs? Exactly where do all these loud mouthed, agro military types hang out and why are you there creeping on them?...
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    Been to C Springs plenty of times. Nice place to go ride and hang out with friends. Wouldn't want to stay there for long.

    And, what does "creeping on them" mean?

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    Who is giving GoPP guidance on how and where trail work needs to be done?

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    JitteryWheel and all,

    Currently the projects are determined by GoPP and the park caretaker. I have been asked by the group to take over the duty of scheduling, planning, and directing the work done on the trails by GoPP. I have been involved with Medicine Wheel as a crew leader and other trail groups for several years and have taken several courses thru VOC and IMBA as well as get out and do the work several times a month. My plans include getting Medicine Wheel involved, city parks dept, and only using IMBA construction practices for work done. I will be happy to answer any question, address any concerns and listen to any ideas you have. Please feel free to PM me.

    Please consider coming out and working with GoPP on any of their work days. Check their website, go plamerpark.org for information. The next day is 7/23/11 8am till 11am

    Thanks,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggs View Post
    Zoomie asked my opinion. No disrespect to military folks, just an honest observation.
    I think your view is very myopic, but you are entitled to your opinion regardless. One man's paradise is another man's ghetto.

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    I ride in the park on a regular basis, two to three times a week, and it seems that the trails are constantly being modified. I am glad to hear that someone who has been through VOC and IMBA is going to be heading up the work. Medicine Wheel is a good name to have associated with the trail work too. I have to say that my opinion of GoPP at this point is very low. They appear to be a group that feels entitled to make changes, at anytime their members wish, to the park trails. It is a City park and not a GoPP park. I hope that you have a positive influence on how the members perform trail work from here on out.
    According to the GoPP website the last work day was held on the 18th of June. There is no information about anything on the GoPP website for August or September.

    People that are associated with GoPP, like Frederic R. Pamp and Clara McKenna, and their comments on the Gazette really do not make cyclists feel very welcome. It appears like they would rather exclude uses for the park that they do not agree with.

    I do have the links to the Gazette article and the GoPP site but cannot post them yet. I do not have enough posts. Stupid rule MTBR.

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    Any ideas on what the 24 route would look like at PP? I'll admit as a local guy, I rarely ride it at all...

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    Hopefully headed out to Palmer Park for a spin this evening. I saw a video about the course on a website recently, but no specifics...13+miles of ouch I think. It will be a sufferfest of short climbs, bumps, small drops, tight turns, wide trails, then sandy spots, a few switchbacks, some horse poo...then do it all again...at least that's what most rides in PPark are like when I ride.

    TRAIL WORK
    I've noticed the changes and work done, but not since the most recent work day. MCZEN and crew have been doing a pretty good job, though sometimes I'm not ready for the changes as I come around a corner. Still, it is awesome to have some organizers and people involved in keeping the trails more sustainable for all users. I think people really love this park for all sort of reasons, so the attention is well deserved and needed!!

    Rock on

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    Best bike for Natz at PPark...fs or ht?? Best wheelsize?? Just wondering what other people think...

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    TeeWon,

    Thanks for the props on the trail work.

    Last weekends trail work was more of an opportunity to get several groups together, WMBA, SRAM and Med Wheel all came out to help in some way. I want to get as many groups involved with us as possible, to help try and mend the fences that have been damaged by negative comments about bikes and the races. GoPP for the most part is very bike friendly, with the exception of a few. Please feel free PM me with any comments, questions and concerns. I want the feedback for myself and to show the group, which will help us improve our work.

    So don't be shy, send in PM's

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    Sand Creek Sports race director and venue director were onsite on Saturday, July 17 working with the Guardians of Palmer Park doing trail work.

    Next rae is Sept. 18th, the ProCycling Palmer Park 50 w/pig roast. Info at www.sandcreeksports.com

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    DOH! Andy, Matt and all Sand Creek Sports folks I am sorry to have forgotten you in the thanks above. Thanks again for coming out and helping. Look forward to the race.

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    Just checked out the updated website and there is, what looks to be, a rough course map!!

    Anyone else glad this is in the front range and not in Moab...again?! Easier to get to for anyone and cheaper on the ol' gas card for sure.

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    Just rode the course using the map from the website, it is pretty good. some sections may be a challenge in the dark after a couple hours in the saddle.

    Side note... came across a couple section where someone had just pulled rocks out of the tread. Keep your eyes peeled and advise them to stop. We do not need to give the anti-bike/race folks any ammunition to use against us. It wasn't even on the harder sections, just looks like they where trying to make the line faster/smoother.

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    Course Map Update

    Course Map! Click the link.

    Basic description: 13.5 miles of varying terrain with several burst climbs totalling 2,233ft elevation change. The course is impressively remote, though surrounded by the city. Riders will be deep in the park on single track, then crest out on ancient bluffs to city lights and specatular views of the Rocky Mountain front range.

    Oh, and Tinker is coming...first time at 24Hr Nats in several years and he's looking forward to the new venue.

    Save yourself some bucks, get a team together, help use support the Wounded Warrior Project!

    Entry prices change at the end of Aug., registration is open until Sept. 24th.
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    The trail looks awesome! Can't wait to come down in a couple weeks and ride.

    General feedback? From "good" riders or "not so good" riders???

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    In general, lower Palmer trails are more flowy, upper trails along the bluffs like Templeton are chunky and technical, looks like the loop is on portions of Templeton. If it rains or snows that course will be a muckfest in sections as well, as in the nasty clay stuff. I would never ride the park when it's wet

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    Quote Originally Posted by TeeWon View Post
    Best bike for Natz at PPark...fs or ht?? Best wheelsize?? Just wondering what other people think...


    Ride what you brung.
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    ...any recommendations on tires?

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    Tubeless is a good choice in general. Maxxis ADvantage, or other fast tire with strong lateral edge knobs to hold corners in dry conditions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rroeder View Post
    If it rains or snows that course will be a muckfest in sections as well, as in the nasty clay stuff. I would never ride the park when it's wet
    I think it depends on how saturated the ground gets and when the moisture falls. There might be a sloppy lap or two, but I'll stake a couple of pints that with the volume of riders the clay-based sections of trail that normally stay goopy won't be for long.

    I had similar concerns when I did the Sand Creek race back in May. After a night and early morning of rain I was expecting some serious mud. The first lap of racers did get muddy but after that it was groomed hero dirt riding.

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    How do Weirwolfs hold up out there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by spgallo View Post
    How do Weirwolfs hold up out there?
    Which ones?

    If it was my choice on WTBs line up I would do the wolverine ( new of course)

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    I am putting together a 4 person military team for the 24 hours of Colorado springs. We are not looking to smoke the competition, but rather to take part in the event. There are already 2 members of the team, so we need two more. We have both memorized and ridden several times the 13 mile trail and can complete it within 2hours. This includes scouting, chill breaks and replaying certain technicals for posture. If you are military (airforce, army etc) located in the area of Colorado Springs and are interested; you may reply to my post to set up weekly group rides prior to the event. Please review the race info at 24hoursofCOS.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by XFITMTB View Post
    I am putting together a 4 person military team for the 24 hours of Colorado springs. We are not looking to smoke the competition, but rather to take part in the event. There are already 2 members of the team, so we need two more. We have both memorized and ridden several times the 13 mile trail and can complete it within 2hours. This includes scouting, chill breaks and replaying certain technicals for posture. If you are military (airforce, army etc) located in the area of Colorado Springs and are interested; you may reply to my post to set up weekly group rides prior to the event. Please review the race info at 24hoursofCOS.com
    If you decide to let in former military let me know I have been throwing around the idea of trying this race as more of a "fun" time instead of a serious race.


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    From what i've seen, the the 4 person non national teams are limited to 4 sub categories ( check info at 24hoursofcos.com) some of them are all members of a bike shop and all in military service. Can't remember the other two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hitechredneck View Post
    If you decide to let in former military let me know I have been throwing around the idea of trying this race as more of a "fun" time instead of a serious race.


    I tapped that
    FYI I spoke with Tim about former/retiree military taking part in the military challenge and he said that was ok. Wish you guys had mentioned this sooner as I would've jumped on board but I already paid for my USA Cycling license so I'm committed to the solo thing.

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    Who is Tim? I'm assuming the race director or something.

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    Yup sorry -- race director

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    About to say, if Tim is the guy that hands out popcorn then your description as a race promoter lost some serious cool points. J/k, Thanks for the info bena. HITECHREDNECK, check your account for a message i sent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spgallo View Post
    How do Weirwolfs hold up out there?
    I use the WTB Mutano Raptor, very. . . few. . . complaints

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    What do you guys think of these tires. I want something that is going to roll face. Remeber, this is a race. I'm used to racing small blocks on some pretty hair stuff.
    Maxsis Advantage:
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    I am running GEAX Saguaro tNts on both wheels of my 29er. I am very happy with the tire. Good grip and speedy. Handles all trails on the Front Range very well. Haven't done much mud on it, but it's the best all-around tire I have used....FWIW

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    Quote Originally Posted by spgallo View Post
    What do you guys think of these tires. I want something that is going to roll face. Remeber, this is a race. I'm used to racing small blocks on some pretty hair stuff.
    Maxsis Advantage:
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    I run the Saguaro's at Palmer Park as well as other CoSpgs areas. They are a decent compromise, providing sufficient (but not spectacular) grip and low rolling resistance.
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    We are getting close to getting this race going! FYI, the KIDS race or 24 mins of COS will also be "Take a Kid Mountain Biking Day." Check out the thread about the Kids Race! It is going to be great!

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    On my night ride last night I saw two trail crews repairing the damage on the Palmer Point Trail caused by the rain last week over by the stables. I know Brian (from GoPP) was with them and it looked like there were quite a few MTB's as well. Also, a couple of days before the Palmer 50 I know Brian and some others reworked some Palmer Point Trail sections along the Lazy Land road.

    Many thanks to Brian and his trail crews.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spgallo View Post
    What do you guys think of these tires. I want something that is going to roll face. Remeber, this is a race. I'm used to racing small blocks on some pretty hair stuff.
    Maxsis Advantage:
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    We've picked the ADvantage as our tire of choice. Afterall, the designer made it for riding here and she loves Palmer Park (AlisonDunlap).

    Good wishes on fast tires no matter what you choose.

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    The course is looking great!! Agreeing with bena1961, hats off to all the folks who've been putting in some tough labors of love on the ol'park. Race or not the work was needed after all the rain.

    Rider input from today...it's getting faster and more fun!

    See you all next weekend!!

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    Anyone help with a choice of brand/type for a 10 watt light and backup for the race? My Black Diamond headlamp and surefire flashlights aren't even 10 watts

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    Hey XFITMTB,
    PM me, I may be able to help you out with some lights.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Tier1Pro View Post
    Course Map! Click the link.

    Basic description:

    Basic description: A Gigantic Trail Sanitizing Charley Foxtrot

    WTFover? Just a coinkidink that features I've been riding for years got obliterated in the weeks before this commercialized bovine excrement fest took place?

    I was wondering what the heck was going on. I thought maybe a wheelchair convention was coming to PP.



    If you spandex jackwagons can't ride the technical, then go play on the four lane. Your little event left PP in the worst condition I've ever seen it - and now it's being used as fodder by the local granola nazis to ban mechanical usage of TOPS altogether.

    Nice going. NOT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by insect_o_man View Post
    Basic description: A Gigantic Trail Sanitizing Charley Foxtrot

    WTFover? Just a coinkidink that features I've been riding for years got obliterated in the weeks before this commercialized bovine excrement fest took place?

    I was wondering what the heck was going on.



    If you spandex jackwagons can't ride the technical, then go play on the four lane. Your little event left PP in the worst condition I've ever seen it - and now it's being used as fodder by the granola crowd to ban technical usage of TOPS.

    Nice going. NOT.
    Not sure what trails you're talking about but if its the Palmer Point Trail maybe you should be speaking with the Parks Dept--I believe their vision for restoring Palmer Park is to return trails to their former easy/intermediate/hard status. I don't know for sure but I believe that trail is an intermediate trail. I too have ridden in the park for a number of years--trails back in the early 90's where much easier than they are today. Erosion left unchecked has caused the changes.

    However, it would help if you would point out which trails you are referring to.

    And you might also consider that a number of the "spandex" crowd were out a couple of weeks before fixing a lot of the storm erosion--without those guys the park would truly still be in tough shape.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bena1916 View Post
    However, it would help if you would point out which trails you are referring to. .
    I mean like the section of the lower green trail that runs up from the parking lot at Academy/Maizeland.

    Where the "Racer" retards rode on the vegetation instead of in the gravel. I'm 50 years old and I can ride up that trail in the ruts and gravel. If they can't handle the trail then there's a nice paved bike path somewhere for them - not in PP.

    You race organizers should've had observers and DISQUALIFIED anybody who cut or rode off the trail like that.

    Yes, Palmer Point where there's now rolling dirt instead of rocks. And also the part of the upper Kinickinick trail where some nimrod spray painted the drops and then went back and filled them in with dirt - presumably so they could go "faster".

    I've face planted there a couple of times. That's what made it fun. There's also sections of rock garden where where the "fast" crowd have simply elected to bypass the garden for the path of least resistance, braiding the trail in the process. It's just lame and destructive.

    Maybe the trails were easier in the 90's - but in the years I've been riding the difficulty has been relatively consistent. Kudos for the erosion repair - but what was done CLEARLY extends beyond erosion repair and into modifying the character of the trail for competitive/commercial reasons.

    I will be one of the MTBr's advocating a BAN of such future commercial use. Go line your pockets somewhere else. Maybe you could go install a bolt ladder on the Bastille Crack in Eldorado Canyon and "promote" a speed climbing contest there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by insect_o_man View Post
    I mean like the section of the lower green trail that runs up from the parking lot at Academy/Maizeland.

    Where the "Racer" retards rode on the vegetation instead of in the gravel. I'm 50 years old and I can ride up that trail in the ruts and gravel. If they can't handle the trail then there's a nice paved bike path somewhere for them - not in PP.

    You race organizers should've had observers and DISQUALIFIED anybody who cut or rode off the trail like that.

    Yes, Palmer Point where there's now rolling dirt instead of rocks. And also the part of the upper Kinickinick trail where some nimrod spray painted the drops and then went back and filled them in with dirt - presumably so they could go "faster".

    I've face planted there a couple of times. That's what made it fun. There's also sections of rock garden where where the "fast" crowd have simply elected to bypass the garden for the path of least resistance, braiding the trail in the process. It's just lame and destructive.
    First off, I am a race promoter but not associated with this race--although I did race it in my spandex On the lower greencrest trail I don't recall anyone not using an existing line--just before one of the parking lots there is a section that runs to the left of the existing trail but that's been there probably for at least 3 or 4 years--is that what you are referring too? I explained the Palmer Point trail already. Over on the Kinickinick I do remember some painting but don't remember any dirt being brought in except maybe where the trail hits the road--is that the section you are talking about? I can't argue that many riders (not just the fast crowd) will seek alternate lines if they can't ride them--as a promoter (sand creek sports venue director actually) we've always taped off sections that we thought riders might take an easier line and expand the trail. I'm sure if you can let the race promoter (Tier 1 Productions) know where exactly the trails got wider he could probably address it very easily. I haven't ridden in the park since last week but maybe a scouting mission is in order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bena1916 View Post
    that's been there probably for at least 3 or 4 year
    >>just before one of the parking lots

    No this section is up the canyon a ways, past the dog exercise area.

    I ride the same loop every week - much of it on the race course. So when there's a change, natural or otherwise, I notice it. The recently-green-turnin-to-brown horizontal grass is a dead {badumpump} giveaway.

    The gravel and ruts are rideable, I rode them last week and I've ridden them when they were in much worse condition. Somebody else clearly thought otherwise. There's been a significant increase in the wear on that section of the trail.

    "Gravel" boohoo. "Gravel uphill" double boo hoo.

    Woosies.
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    BugMan this race/event had impacts in Colorado Springs far beyond the boundaries of Palmer Park. People from all over the country came to COS to be involved in this event. They brought and spent money in our community. This race showcases what COS has to offer as a MTB city and much much more.

    Sure the trails took a hit, although I think you may have exaggerated it some. The Palmer Point sections you mention will likely return to its pre race condition after a few storms come through. There are trails that will need some attention from GOPP and others to return to original condition. The rock garden on GV trail has been growing a go around since long before they even considered hosting this race at Palmer. Just the same for the tight switch on Cheyenne coming off of GV near the overlook. I'd say I've witnessed more reroute, trail braiding, and modification from regular park users than I have seen as a result of the race.

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    Does anyone have a good gps file for 1 lap? I gave it a shot with the printed map, but it was difficult follow. From what I figured out, it was an awesome course. Really seemed to flow well.

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    A good map needs to be out there...on the race website...and since I'm in charge of that sort of thing, I'd like to see a good map posted for all those with GPS. Several GPS maps were attempted, but in the end none of them made it to the website.

    If anyone has a GPS file of the course, let us know via the race website "contact" page. Thanks "pcoady", we'll have a good map up for 2012 with GPS, just thought it was better to not send folks down the wrong trails and get a correct map up, then do it wrong.

    The course---Curtis mentioned a rock garden on GV...that line to the outside right going up is actually the old line that got eroded and too hard to ride, then someone put rocks in it, then it got reworked to be an alternate line. ??? Maybe Aliens As for the other spots you mentioned and general feedback about the 13+miles of trail from the Parks Dept. and other users; the trails were dry, got a streak of moon dust, held up very well, racers stayed on course, damage-if any-minimal, evidence that the race happened today also minimal.

    We are very confident that with the ongoing efforts to support GoPP and especially the Parks Dept., Palmer Park will see improvements that are effective and sustainable due to the increased attention of the races and biking community.

    I love the "line your pockets somewhere else" by the rider who wants to ban commercial use of the park...no pockets were lined accept for businesses in the industry and other local business and the Wounded Warrior Project will get whatever bucks are left...I certainly didn't make a pocket full of anything but course tape and zipties. For one weekend the druggies, drunk high school kids, and other weirdos had to go somewhere else so that the National Champions of 24Hr racing could be crowned in COS and extra funds could go to support our troops---guess I'm proud of that, no appologies, just thanks!

    Tim

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    Thanks again. Had so much fun at the race and cant wait until 2012.

    PP is my back yard trail and as somebody who rode there before during and after the event I have seen 0 negative impact and dont undetstand the complaints.

    You ran a great event thanks again!

    Go Team Inflexables!

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