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    do i have to get a 29r?

    ok im a newbe and i love this clydsdale forum im 6'3 230lbs and im looking for a bike at the 1000.00 mark. butt at that range im kinda thinking that i can get better stuff on a 26 inch bike. i can get a fuji 29r for 1000.00 but fuji isnt really known for offroad bikes and nobody ive talked to knows them either. or i can get a scott scale 60 for 1000.00 and it comes with hydrolic disc brakes and decent tranny stuff. plus it light. ive been borowing my friends bikes as im new to this but now im hooked and must own my own, but im torn on what i should buy. the 2 bikes in this range that i really like the scott i looked at today.

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    You can get a tiny wheeled bike if you want. Just don't ride a 29er after you buy it.
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    The Fuji is a good 29er, look at the reviews on MTBR...that said, get what you want. You don't have to get a 29er...even though they're better

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    I'm 6'2" and I ride a 29er.

    I like it and see no reason for me to ever go back to a 26er. The smaller bikes are just too cramped for me and I have to do some funky things to get the right fit.

    Nevertheless, you should get the bike that you feel works best for you.

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    Have you ever noticed that the heavier load a dumptruck has to carry the larger the diameter of the wheels? Why, because they roll over stuff better. We weigh more so bigger wheels make sense. Besides, tall dudes on 26ers with 3-foot seatposts and 1-foot stems look like dorks.
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    i just posted in another thread butt i just test rode a diamondback overdrive pro in a 22 inch frame its on sale for 920.00 im thinking strongly about buying that tank come monday

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    Quote Originally Posted by roscoe1971
    i just posted in another thread butt i just test rode a diamondback overdrive pro in a 22 inch frame its on sale for 920.00 im thinking strongly about buying that tank come monday
    You might want to check Dick's sports stores for some Diamondback stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zarr
    You might want to check Dick's sports stores for some Diamondback stuff.
    is the diamondback stuff any good? they were a good bmx bike back in the 80's

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    After you mentioned the Overdrive Pro, I remembered I heard a couple of months back dicks was closing out some reg. Overdrives. Don't know about the Pro though. Also a store in Oregon I think called G.I. Joe's. I don't have firsthand info about the quality. You might want to use the mtbr search at the top of the page to get some info.---zarr
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    GI Joes is defunct...kaput...gone

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    how about some good online dealers for bikes?

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    I learned this the HARD WAY! If you buy proven name brand bike frames and components at sale prices or used... you can get most if not all of your money back if you decide to sell them later (in good shape). They'll also last a lot longer. If you keep riding you will want or need to go to a better bike. I ended up wearing out and breaking and replacing almost every component on my first bike ($500). If I would have spent a little more in the beginning it would have been cheaper in the long run, and I would have had a better bike.

    $1000 is a good place to start.
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    I'm about 6'2" and bought a Cannondale 29er 4. Not to throw another wrench in the works for you but I really like it. It retails for about 1100, but everywhere I've seen it sells for just under 1k.

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    Here's a few to look at in your price range. These are MSRP so do a search and you can get them for less. There's can be a big jump in the quality of the components from a brand's lowest priced model to the next one up - take a close look - it may be really worth it to spend just a little more money. Hope this helps.


    1. The components alone on this bike are worth more than $1000 - and you can always switch them over to a different frame if you don't like this one or want to try full suspension later:
    http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/...om29pro_SL.htm

    2. Jamis is generally considered a good deal - but this one has much lesser components than the Motobecane and is much heavier:
    http://www.jamisbikes.com/usa/thebik...durango29.html

    3. KHS is similar to Jamis - this one has a steel frame and mechanical disk brakes:
    http://www.khsbicycles.com/02_tucson_09.htm

    4. Kona has a pretty big following:
    http://www.konaworld.com/09_kahuna_u.cfm

    5. Cannondale (until recently) was the last big company that still made their bikes in the USA:
    http://www.cannondale.com/bikes/09/c...el-9FS294.html

    6. The Fuji: http://www.fujibikes.com/Mountain/29er/Tahoe29Comp.aspx

    7. Haro Mary XC - $1500 but still has mechanical disk brakes and is 30 lbs.:
    http://www.harobikes.com/mtb/tab2_subNav5.php

    8. Redline:http://www.redlinebicycles.com/adultbikes/d660.html

    9. Specialized: http://www.specialized.com/us/en/bc/...=39225&eid=107

    10. Gary Fisher - the man who started the whole 29er thing - he has one for $900 and one for $1200:
    http://fisherbikes.com/bike/model/mamba

    11. Diamondback: http://www.diamondback.com/bikes/mtn...rdrive-pro-09/

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    man that motobecane has got some good stuff on it, thanks bwg 999.00 and free shipping not a bad deal.

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    The Windsor's at Bikesdirect are the same bike as the Fuji 29ers (except the downtube). So if you can test ride a Fuji and like it...the Windsor Cliff 29er Pro is a SMOKING DEAL, X.9, Reba, Juicy 7's for under $1000

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    i rode a fuji 29er at scheels yesterday and liked it alot right along with the diamondback the fuji was alot lighter and felt more agile that windsor frame does look pretty close to a fuji. thanks guys for throwing a monkey wrench in my operation!! LOL was probley gonna either buy a fuji or DB. on monday now im thinking im gonna be ordering a bike online. but man both rides are smokin deals.

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    Here's the geo chart for the Windsor

    Here's the geo chart for the Fuji 29er

    See any similarities?

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    how much assembley is involved on a new in the box bike? do i have to build the wheels press the headset bearings assemble the crankset stuff like that. or is it just minor assembly.

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    The bikes from BD come in "dealer ready" condition. This means most of the bike is assembled but it will need final assembly and tuning. If your not familiar with this, most bike shops (the good ones at least) will do the build for about $65. Its worth it considering how much you save.

    Keep in mind buying online comes with some risks...namely warranty and service. But considering how much you save, its a fair trade-off for many.

    Good Luck in whatever choice you make

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    Quote Originally Posted by BWG

    2. Jamis is generally considered a good deal - but this one has much lesser components than the Motobecane and is much heavier:
    http://www.jamisbikes.com/usa/thebik...durango29.html
    I just ordered a NOS 2008 Jamis Dakota 29er for $1100 through my Jamis LBS. Very well set up with Reba Race and XT components. Quite a step above the Durango for a couple hundred more.

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    I don't agree with the bigger is better philosophy. While its true that most people your size do benefit from a 29er, its not that absolute. I ride both for different reasons. 29er have horrible bottom-bracket clearence. A 29er does not handle as well, most people say it feels like driving a school bus. I know people will argue this point because a better fitting bike can give the impression (or reality) of better handling. 29er's also don't seem to work so well with suspension. 29er wheels are not as strong, although, IMO they are strong enough, this is not an issue.

    For advanced mountain biking, I don't think a 29er is the way to go. The clearence is the main issue for me. Some find it harder to turn over the cranks on a 29er, and you may prefer longer cranks which means learning to time your strides or you'll be scrapping your pedals off-road.

    My 2 cents: test ride. Find a good shop and let them help you with the frame size. Most people, myself included, ride frames too small for them. That's why you get the 3-foot seatpost and 1-foot stem. Maybe you will prefer the fit of a 29er. I was amazed when I first got my Karate Monkey (yup, that's a cheap plug for a $1000 bike) and swore 29ers were the end-all, be-all for the next couple years until I bought a Stumpjumper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Surly29
    29er's also don't seem to work so well with suspension.

    ??? Please explain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BWG
    ??? Please explain.
    I've just heard bad things about full-suspension 29er's. Haven't heard of one with over 3 inches of rear travel that people actually like. Seems like more complaints about fs than rigid, although 29er enthusiasts are also likely to be rigid enthusiast (then single-speed enthusiasts, then the next fad enthusiasts).

    I kinda feel like a 29er is good for many things, but blasting downhill on 6+ inches of travel isn't it. Maybe 1.5 inches on a cross-country setup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Surly29
    I've just heard bad things about full-suspension 29er's. Haven't heard of one with over 3 inches of rear travel that people actually like. Seems like more complaints about fs than rigid, although 29er enthusiasts are also likely to be rigid enthusiast (then single-speed enthusiasts, then the next fad enthusiasts).

    I kinda feel like a 29er is good for many things, but blasting downhill on 6+ inches of travel isn't it. Maybe 1.5 inches on a cross-country setup.

    Surly29, you should actually ride one. I've been riding them for three years and it's no "fad" for me.

    I was never happy with any of my FS bikes UNTIL I got my RIP9 with 5" fork and 4.5" rear travel. Same goes for my RacerX 29er and previous Voodoo Canzo 29er. Read the overwhelmingly positive reviews on these bikes here on MTBR.

    29ers aren't for everyone, but they definately work well for many big riders that choose them. And roscoe 1971 wasn't asking for recommendations on a DH bike. Although if he was Niner has that covered too with this:


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    Fair enough, but almost everyone I know with a 29er rides it full rigid.

    I love my 29er, don't get me wrong, but roscoe 1971 was actually asking "do I have to get a 29r?" and I wanted to point out the disadvantages. I wish I could tell him, "yes, a 29er is perfect in every way" but it might be more useful to tell him I actually feel like my center of gravity is higher on mine versus my 26" wheeled Stumpjumper.

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    Yes, that's fair.

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    both of you are making some good points, anyway i should have stated that im more of a trail rider with few climbs and few decents. i live in iowa so my hill climbs aint nothing like a utah trail LOL. i raced bmx for 10 yrs. and motocross for 5 yrs. so i know what center of gravity is and how different bikes can feel butt in mountain biking i am a rookie. so yesterday i got the chance to ride a 26 wheeled bike and a 29r on a trail ride back 2 back. both bike fit me pretty good as my buddy is 6'2 215lbs so we're close in build and the bike we ride. he owns a new fisher 29r and an older trek 6 seiries and man i gotta say im kinda torn between a 26 and a 29r. i feel faster on a 26 and definetly can corner a 26 faster butt a 29r feels more stable on a downhill trail. on the hills i climb the 29r feels better also. now my riding friend so far hates his 29r to vhim it feels like a turd he told me he will never just do a test ride in a parking lot again. LOL he said he loves it on a bumppy trail but thats it he hates the cornering/jumping/accelerating and so on. he belly ached pretty bad about it last night and im thinking by this saturday he's gonna show up at my house to go riding with a new stumpjumper in its place. now me i like em both both have high's and low's. gotta do some thinking on the 2.

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    If you liked his 29er and he is complaining about it you might make him an offer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roscoe1971
    both of you are making some good points, anyway i should have stated that im more of a trail rider with few climbs and few decents. i live in iowa so my hill climbs aint nothing like a utah trail LOL. i raced bmx for 10 yrs. and motocross for 5 yrs. so i know what center of gravity is and how different bikes can feel butt in mountain biking i am a rookie. so yesterday i got the chance to ride a 26 wheeled bike and a 29r on a trail ride back 2 back. both bike fit me pretty good as my buddy is 6'2 215lbs so we're close in build and the bike we ride. he owns a new fisher 29r and an older trek 6 seiries and man i gotta say im kinda torn between a 26 and a 29r. i feel faster on a 26 and definetly can corner a 26 faster butt a 29r feels more stable on a downhill trail. on the hills i climb the 29r feels better also. now my riding friend so far hates his 29r to vhim it feels like a turd he told me he will never just do a test ride in a parking lot again. LOL he said he loves it on a bumppy trail but thats it he hates the cornering/jumping/accelerating and so on. he belly ached pretty bad about it last night and im thinking by this saturday he's gonna show up at my house to go riding with a new stumpjumper in its place. now me i like em both both have high's and low's. gotta do some thinking on the 2.
    Solution? Get both! Start your stable of bikes.
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    Sounds like you are focused on hardtails. That's good considering the $1K budget.

    For your size and a hardtail I would recommend a 29er. It is just a more proportional bike for a bigger rider. I notice that it is more of a sensation of riding with the bike instead of on top of it. I start to favor the smaller wheels when full suspension, longer travel, and wider tires come into the decision. But for the Hardtail and under 4in travel bikes 29er is a great match for bigger riders. About the only negative is that if your lbs isn't hip then they may not stock any of the tires/tubes.

    Do you have to get a 29er? No, I rode 29ers for a couple of years. I am back on a 26. Life goes on. Eventually I will get another 29er, either hardtail or short travel fs.
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    that's the stupidest idea this side of pinkbike.

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    well i got me a jamis durango3 from a bike shop close to me its his last 09 model 21 inch frame 26 wheels for 750.00 man i just couldnt pass it up i cant even begin to find a 29r with the components that this jamis has on it for under a grand plus he threw in a water bottle and helmet, 1 yr. free service and to top it off this bike feels real good under me. i love the hydro disc brakes front/rear derailers are good so is the the cranks the stock tires seem to work on my local trails and well jamis just makes good bikes. this ride will more than satisfy me for the reast of my riding season mabye next spring or this winter i'll trade it for a 29r but man right now im lovin this new ride. oh and my riding buddy is way pissed of the deal i got and he likes it a ton better than his 29r and his trek 6500 that ive been mostly riding latley. thanks for all youre input/opinions on this thread its been very helpful. god bless.

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    Congrats! Now get out there and ride it like you stole it!

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    honestly after riding many 29ers around i can say with i don't like them. they do not have the responsiveness that i like in a bike. they are also less stiff in both the wheels and frame given even being heavier. i will be sticking with my 26' bike for quite some time still. i ride hard and i need a bike that is strong stiff and responsive. a 26" bike has an advantage in all 3 categories. the one place a 29" might (and probably does) have an advantage is long distance riding.

    btw i'm 6'5" and currently 240 lbs (was near the 270 mark not too long ago)

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    Hope you enjoy your Jamis (sounds like a sweet deal). Glad we could help.

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    "Solution? Get both! Start your stable of bikes."

    Another solution is to get a 69er - once your new Jamis has been ridden to bits of course!

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    i thoght about a 69r butt didnt have the extra cash and also the reason i went with a 26 inch wheeled bike was also the quik handeling of it conpared to a 29r it seems i can whip a 26r around butt on a 29r it feels like im trying to ride a tank plus i just dont think a 29r wheel with having longer spokes and a larger diamater will hold up as well as a 26 inch wheel. butt im probley wrong on that.

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    Hey i am 6'4" 230 also.i have a fuel ex 9 and a geared 69er.Both of them work great and fun as hell!!! Sounds like you got a good bike! ride the @#$%^ out of it!!!!!!!!! It will be just fine.The only thing that you had done was get addicted...I bet your next bike,you will have no problem spending $3000+ and not batting an eye! believe me i did the same thing.g
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    Quote Originally Posted by gclark
    Hey i am 6'4" 230 also.i have a fuel ex 9 and a geared 69er.Both of them work great and fun as hell!!! Sounds like you got a good bike! ride the @#$%^ out of it!!!!!!!!! It will be just fine.The only thing that you had done was get addicted...I bet your next bike,you will have no problem spending $3000+ and not batting an eye! believe me i did the same thing.g
    dude im already thinking of building a bad mamba jamba this winter. i normaly weigh around 190-210 but i had a 900lbs trailer fall off my truck and land on my right foot cutting 70% of my big toe off and crushing bones in my foot. i had long pins in my foot for 7 weeks it was the only way to save my big toe so all i did for awhile was lay on the couch drink beer pop pain pills and watch general hospital. so im just now getting back to 100% and riding my friends bike has sure helped alot. if i woulda lost my big toe i would have had to learn to walk all over again.

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