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    Clyde Destruction

    Sort of funny.

    First, let me set the scene. I live in AZ, home of the infamous Cholla Cacti. If you have ever encountered one, I'm sorry. Death could be an easier option.

    I was out riding out local system that is only 1.5 miles from my house (http://mtbikeaz.com/trail-index/phoe...rack-aka-fins/) and decided I felt strong enough to climb one of the tougher climbs that I've never done.

    Get half way up and there is a little ridge of rocks (about 10 inch step up) that I easily manualed over, then went to throw down a bit on the pedals to pull the back wheel over and continue climbing and all I hear is *SNAP*!

    Guesses what it is?

    My rear hub. Yep.

    Well, falling to the right trying to get out of my pedals was a sight to see. My wife, who was only about 2 bike lengths behind me said she's never seen me move so fast. Popped out of my pedals (Thank god for how Crank Brothers release), landed on my feet, with my arm just barley scraping against a huge cholla cactus. Had I not got out of my pedals, I would have been going to the emergency room.

    So, my question. Hub I won't break that is decently affordable? I was reading the wheel build thread and saw the Shimano Deore XT hubs were mentioned. Are they strong enough? (6'3, 320lbs)

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    you clydes should be using DH stuff. What's your bike setup may I ask?

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    pulled out 45...yes 45 Cholla spines out of my elbow back in 1998 riding the Mustang Trails when I was going to UNLV

    And that was the better alternative to crashing into a Sword Yucca

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    Hope and White Industries hubs are my favorite "not expensive" hubs. Chris King and Hadley are my favorite hubs when money doesn't matter. I have all of the above...no failures. Kings require more regular maintenance, but are great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DKeeney

    So, my question. Hub I won't break that is decently affordable? I was reading the wheel build thread and saw the Shimano Deore XT hubs were mentioned. Are they strong enough? (6'3, 320lbs)
    That hub doesn't exist. I weigh 100lbs. less than you do and XT won't cut it. I've had good luck with Chris King, Hugi and Ringle. I still get off and push for the steep and/or technical climbs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by split.therapy
    That hub doesn't exist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by split.therapy
    I still get off and push for the steep and/or technical climbs.
    I try not to do this as much as I can. I may be a clyde, but I have strong legs and lungs, I can make most climbs.

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    Nice work crushing the hub!! The rest of your bike must be bomb proof since your hub broke first. I'm not as big as you but 270 ish will still put a stress on gear. I dished out the extra $$ for some CK hubs and hope they will serve me well. In the long run, what's an extra few hundred bucks you're going to spend on gear if it keeps you out of the ER.
    It'll pay for itself.

    Good luck bro!

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    I just trashed a Chumbaracing m5x rear hub yesterday on a climb. Looking right now into getting a CK hub.

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    What I meant was, a hub that you aren't going to crush. I know the Deore XT hub exists. I've broken a few.


    "I try not to do this as much as I can. I may be a clyde, but I have strong legs and lungs, I can make most climbs."
    I'm not saying you can't make the climb. What I meant was the equipment can't stand the punishment of us big guys. I got tired of replacing hubs so I have figured out where I need to jump off and push. My wallet can't stand the punishment of my ego or my pride.
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    what kind of hub did you kill?... you have your LBS look at it?... may have been a freak occurrence... maybe not...

    i'm not far off your weight... don't have a problem with my hope XC hub + you get a pretty sweet sound from it ... plan to try an XT next time around though... the price makes it worth a try...
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    Shimanos are nasty hubs, particularly for clydes. I've been disapointed by them for years...both as a consumer and wrench.

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    I am not sure why some clydes have issue with shimano hubs. Personally the XT hubs are bullet proof. Of course if I clear 240lb I resolve myself to light beer and climbing is usually under duress. Only issue I have with them is the engagement is pretty slow. In the sub $100 rear hub market there is nothing that compares IME.
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    I'm pretty much exactly your size and have had great luck with Halo Spin Doctor hubs. They can be a little hard to find in the US, but they're out there and can be had for less than $100.

    http://www.halorims.com/Halo/product...hp?id=HUHASDR2

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    Specifically, the pawls are brittle and the springs are substandard leading to slippage and furthering pawl issues.

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    You being a big guy I can image how you could break it easily. Fortunately you managed to have the reflexes to avoid the cactus (I can only imagine).

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    Do not get an xt hub I am 250lb and broke 3 last year. One broke m first day in Flaggstaff at the top of supermoto all that climbing and I had to try and coast down one of the best trails in AZ (didn't go so well). When i got home I splurged on a Hadley and have never had another problem.

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    The rim will but no go on that hub. I ran 717's without any problems. Get the 819 rims if you can they are great basically same rim as the crossmax.

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    sikwoodbiker... what specific model did you keep killing?... I wonder/hope the newer ones are more robust...
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    Not sure just thought there was one XT hub. The first one came on my old 717's then just replaced it after that.

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    Dang. All this talk of XT hubs being bad for a clyde is really going to blow my meager budget. The Hopes and White Industries are even too spendy - Hadleys and Kings are definitely out (for me). The Halo is a possibility.

    Hmmm..... what's a poor (literally) boy to do? Any other options for the, uh, thrifty clyde?

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    on my bike I have phil wood 36 hole tandem hubs. 14G spokes, sun ryno lite dh rims, wheels built for us shrek sized folks.

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    Just ride the XT's for now and hope they don't give out. Replacing them a few times is still cheaper then buying an expensive hub. So if you are on a really tight budget just save up and try and get trough. Also just remembered that I have had my SS for over a year and the hub on that is still fine it a Pivit Sealed 4 bearing. Not sure if you can by just the hub or what though and if they only make SS.

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    how long ago did you get those xt wheels?... the newer ones have changed a few things... including going from 17 to 32 engagment points... not sure what else...

    for the price they are still hard to beat... for the price i'll be willing to risk it... stepping up to hope or something else is a bit to high for me...
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    Yeah mine were 17p so they must have been the older ones. They are very hard to beat for the price plus once you have the 717s you always can upgrade the hub for that wheel at a later date if needed.

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    I am going to be finding out for you. Same height, same weight, same state. I killed the crap stock hub on my Overdrive and ordered a Laserdisc trail with an xt hub last week. The mech at the lbs said go with a wtb hub. I said no go on the 200.00$ hub, so xt it is.

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    Just picked up the one I posted from Performance. Spokes are supposed to make noises when you first ride them, right? Or are they screaming in agony because I'm fat?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DKeeney
    Just picked up the one I posted from Performance. Spokes are supposed to make noises when you first ride them, right? Or are they screaming in agony because I'm fat?
    Umm?

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    Kind of popped a bit when I first pedaled. Maybe only the first 50 feet. Called to the mech at the LBS, said it's the spokes "seating." We're all groovy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donalson
    how long ago did you get those xt wheels?... the newer ones have changed a few things... including going from 17 to 32 engagment points... not sure what else...
    Just so my cheap ways don't yield negative results, does the new & improved XT hub have a specific model number?

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    spokes making noise when new is common... especially on machine built wheel... a good hand built set will have been stress relieved but even they can make the sound... basically the spokes wind up as when being built...

    for the newer hubs... the m775 XT I know has the 36pt hub also has center loc for the discs if you have 6 bolt... not sure if there is a 6bolt hub with the 36pts... this looks to be about the cheapest and cleanest option for that http://www.pricepoint.com/detail/158...ck-Adapter.htm
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    Thanks, donalson and schmaged88!

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    +1 on the spindoctor VERY strong and good value.
    As the engagment was only average i decided to 'upgrade' to a Nukeproof.
    It took two months to snap the first one and two days to snap the second.
    I am still negotiating warranty to get a third!

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    DKeeney, I recommend taking those wheels to a good LBS and having them "retensioned" after you've ridden them a couple of times, this could significantly extend the life of the wheel set. Ideally, you find a shop or tech with a good reputation for wheel building with the local MTB crowd.

    I went through a couple of XT rear hubs before I switched to Hope XCs, which have been problem free for a couple of years. I guess the Hope XCs aren't sold new anymore...

    Having seen several threads like this, I'm clear that while some Clydes will destroy multiple XT hubs each year, others can ride them without any issues for years. So, if money is an issue it is probably worth trying the XTs, as they are significantly less expensive than others mentioned. Another plus on the XTs is that it is relatively inexpensive and easy to get parts and rebuild them if they do break.

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    6 days, 4 rides, another hub trashed. **** my life.

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    Sounds like you may be one of those clydes who breaks XT hubs and needs to step up to something stronger.
    You might consider a pair of Azonic Outlaws, or finding a good wheel builder to build you something with some Hope Pro's (these seem to be the least expensive of the fancy hubs).

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    Yep. Stepped up to something way stronger. At a smoking deal too.

    Found someone, by posting in my local forums. A little 5'2, maybe 120lb female who races. Rides a 29er now. Therefore, she didn't need a non disk set of wheels anymore.

    So, for 100bucks I got a brand new SRAM 9-speed cassette, White Industries Front Hub on a Mavic Rim, and a Chris King Rear Hub on a DT SWISS rim. I'm happy. Air-Raid sirens when I'm coming down the hill.

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    Dewd! I'm jealous! Glad to hear you got some durable wheels. Just keep away from sqaure edges. And, you might want to get those tensioned after a few rides because you are much bigger than the former owner and probably stressing them in ways they've never been stressed before.

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    Rims are trash and throw away's. If give them . . . 2 rides?

    Have hoops/spokes on stand by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DKeeney
    So, for 100bucks I got a brand new SRAM 9-speed cassette, White Industries Front Hub on a Mavic Rim, and a Chris King Rear Hub on a DT SWISS rim. I'm happy. Air-Raid sirens when I'm coming down the hill.
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    Hi all. New to this site. I am 6', 285lbs. I fixed my hub problems by getting a pair of Shimano tandem hubs, respaced the rear for 135mm (they come spaced at 145mm) and I have not had a problem since. One issue though- no disc mounts. But, no hub problems. I also built up a set for one of my customers who weighs 525! No kidding! And not one issue in 2 years.

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    wheelman: Easier for people to find you posts if they're at the bottom of the thread. ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by tenbsmith
    Sounds like you may be one of those clydes who breaks XT hubs and needs to step up to something stronger.
    Ok, I've no business this part of the forum because of my teeny weeny size compared to you guys, but... I break stuff so I look at what the trials and downhill folks say is durable and also you bigger guys have some solid info on that.

    XT hubs are no good for me, they fail. All I need do to kill them is ride in rain and mud and do some pedal kicks, that's it, freewheel failure at least once a year. From Shimano line up there has been a better thing for me, though YMMV. A more durable thing. It's cheaper too and it spells LX FH-M580. It's not a disc hub but I believe there was a 6-bolt version of it too, might wanna try that if on a budget.

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