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    4" FS for a Clyde

    I'm helping a friend reasearch a replacement frame for his Kona Dawg after 3 ride ending frame failures (broke while climbing ). Parts from the Kona would have to swap over so 4" travel would be best (to match his current Fork) with the option to go to 5" later would be ideal. He is an XC style rider - minimal air time.

    The Candidates - Please give your opinion and experiences on durability for a Clyde.

    Ventana El Salt
    Titus MotoLite
    Santa Cruz Blur LT

    Any others worthy of Clyde use?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SSINGA
    I'm helping a friend reasearch a replacement frame for his Kona Dawg after 3 ride ending frame failures (broke while climbing ).
    That does not give me a warm fuzzy feeling about my Hoss, let me tell you.


    Quote Originally Posted by SSINGA
    The Candidates - Please give your opinion and experiences on durability for a Clyde.

    Ventana El Salt
    Titus MotoLite
    Santa Cruz Blur LT

    Any others worthy of Clyde use?
    As you know, I don't have any experience with any of these duallies, but is there any particular reason the Flux isn't on that list? Too wimpy? Maybe 5 spot, make the jump to 5" right away? Or heckler? (Although it's over 5" as well)

    Sorry I didn't have any real input.

    Patrick

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    Look at a Tidus Super Moto with 4-way air shock. I'm 270 with out gear and have not
    had any problems yet ( 1 1/2 years old ) This think climbs great and comes down
    even better they are amazing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSINGA
    I'm helping a friend reasearch a replacement frame for his Kona Dawg after 3 ride ending frame failures (broke while climbing ). Parts from the Kona would have to swap over so 4" travel would be best (to match his current Fork) with the option to go to 5" later would be ideal. He is an XC style rider - minimal air time.

    The Candidates - Please give your opinion and experiences on durability for a Clyde.

    Ventana El Salt
    Titus MotoLite
    Santa Cruz Blur LT

    Any others worthy of Clyde use?
    good list...wise choice not to include any Turners as they should be reserved for girls (but not of the fat-bottom persuasion).

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSINGA
    I'm helping a friend reasearch a replacement frame for his Kona Dawg after 3 ride ending frame failures (broke while climbing ). Parts from the Kona would have to swap over so 4" travel would be best (to match his current Fork) with the option to go to 5" later would be ideal. He is an XC style rider - minimal air time.

    The Candidates - Please give your opinion and experiences on durability for a Clyde.

    Ventana El Salt
    Titus MotoLite
    Santa Cruz Blur LT

    Any others worthy of Clyde use?
    Can you elaborate on your friend. What kind of riding style (any drops?) weight, ect... Off the top of my head I would say go with the Titus or Ventana. I am in the same boat right now and I think I am going with the Titus. (good deal on the frame and reputation of the frame and company) Shoot craig and email about a price if interested @ cats3elton@aol.com The Ventana is great, but hard to find dealers on the east coast! A friend rides the Blur and while he likes it, i took it for a spin and hated it. I guess i am just not a fan of the VPP!

    I have heard both bikes getting use from guys up to 280# with no problems to speak of. It really comes down to what he wants. The motolite is about $500 cheaper so that's always a plus !! Just my $.02
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    Quote Originally Posted by FoShizzle
    good list...wise choice not to include any Turners as they should be reserved for girls (but not of the fat-bottom persuasion).
    well, if he had a 5" fork the 5 spot might be a contender, He is an XC type rider, however and might do a few races and the slacker trail geometry of the spot isn't really ideal for that use. I'm not really sure the Flux is up to the job of Clyde use - maybe i'm wrong?? Not sure about his weight. I'm guessing 250-265lbs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SSINGA
    I'm not really sure the Flux is up to the job of Clyde use - maybe i'm wrong??
    I asked this question (in a sort of tongue in cheek fashion) as an extension of this thread over in the Turner Forum. There were a couple of positive responses. If you post a clyde & Flux question over there you may get more hits than over here (more traffic and all).

    Patrick

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    Ventana

    I had one of the original Blurs and although a good bike, it did not like trail duty under a 230lb Clyde such as myself. I had shock and pivot problems, but I did ride it in wet conditions a lot and I hear SC has made some pivot changes. The X5 I bought is a unfair comparison to the LT Blur, the Nomad is a more reasonable comparison. VPP is nice, but I noticed the linkage to stiffen under load when climbing technical terrain. Mud clearance was also a issue. I considered the Flux, but I like to ride through rock gardens and Turner sort of discouraged me from buying it although it is a tough bike. The Motolite frame is not as burly as the Ventana El Salt, but Titus is confident that it will handle loads up to 300lbs. I assume that it will flex more than the Ventanas. I currently ride a 4in travel El Capitan and love it. All the previously mentioned manufacturers have good customer service and great bikes but obviously I am partial to Ventana. My priority list from top to bottom was this: reliability including customer service, stiffness, mud clearance, pedaling efficiency, weight, price.

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    Thanks for the input Abscar
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    I'd agree that the Blur may not be the right thing for a Clyde.

    i'd suggest seriously looking at the Titus with the Ventana close 2nd ... but I'm partial to Titus myself and I'll admit that. The rear-tri on the Motolite is basically bulletproof even for a Clyde; and I like the hort-link suspension just a shade more than the El Salt's design.

    That said, the Salt is a top-notch bike too, and if you talk to Ventana about the target guy they may build one with some extra gusseting IF they think it's necessary.

    FYI: I was seriously considering a Salt back in '03 when I was upgrading my squishy for the same reason (4x broken frame in 9 months makes one question the build quality - major name NOT Titus or Ventana), but I ended up with the now-discontinued Titus Quasi-Moto. My Titus has seen tremendous miles, many road trips, and countless endos. The only damage I've been able to inflict on the bike has been to fall on TOP of the rear-tri while it's perched on a rock, slightly bending the chainstay. That was last summer, still riding that chainstay w/o apparent need to replace it (although I now have a repl chainstay on hand Just In Case). I don't think that the Motolite has the same "FR" chainstay as my Quasi (and the SuperMoto) but it's danged close, particularly since this year they tuned the design to allow for the larger tires (2.3's) which I also advocate for Clydes.

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    The MotoLite is a strong contender with its low price point, 4-5" adjustability and good cust svc too.
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    The El Salt would be my pick for a clyde rider with deep pockets from that list.

    The Santa Cruz Heckler is a very popular and proven clyde trail bike and is much cheaper than the listed models. Many people make the mistake of classifying the Heckler as more of a freeride bike than a trail ride. The Heckler shines as a trail bike. It just so happens that it is strong enough to huck also.

    The Blur Lt has a stronger frame than the Blur classic and would be fine for a clyde who is into xc.

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    Here are two more, depending on riding style:

    Transition Preston - more of a freeride rig, but very well put together and not all that expensive. 4"-5" of travel. Great customer service. Rider owned company.

    Sinister Splinter ER - a genuine all around bike. Lots of companies say their bikes are multi-purpose, when they are really just marketed that way. Not the case with the Splinter ER. It is probably the most truly all mountain "all mountain bike" I have ever seen or been lucky enough to ride (the Specialised Enduro comes close, but still gets beat in my opinion). Again, 4"-5" of travel, but you can make it 5"-6" by swapping the shock. Adjustable BB height and head angles (no tools required!). Although it is a linkage activated single pivot, the bike pedals incredibly well. This should be more than enough bike in terms of strength for almost anybody, but if you want something a bit beefier, there is the MX version, which comes standard at 5"-6" of travel, but you can reduce it to 4"-5" with a shock swap when you order it. These are amazing bikes! Incredible customer service and workmanship (FTW really knows his job!).
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    I have a Weyless XP which is similar to a Heckler and may be made by the same company that makes Hecklers for SC. Very simple, very strong, and pedals well with a platform shock. Not super stiff in the rear though. I did run a F100X on the Weyless for a while, but wonder if that would work with the Heckler since I think the Weyless's geometry might have been more XC.

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    Good job!

    Quote Originally Posted by SSINGA
    The MotoLite is a strong contender with its low price point, 4-5" adjustability and good cust svc too.
    Me likey the Super Moto...little heavier but it rides like a dream. I'm 6'6" 250.

    Like bear, fellow Austinite, I broke my frame, same bike and brand.

    Titus rocks. The rear triangle is what sold me on it...saved up some pennies, quarters, dollars, etc.....everything switched over to my bike but the BB. Well worth the savings!

    When researching the Moto-lite vs the Super Moto I was told the weight limit on the Lite was much less and I couldn't get it at 250-260. But that was last summer....maybe they're beefier.....

    but after breaking a frame during a ride....I'd go with the heavier sturdier bike. Love the bigger tires too. I know bear is runnig a 2.5 in the rear.

    I did not look at the 29er RacerX....that coulda been cool for my size, but pricier.

    I'm more than happy with the Super Moto. The thing is a STUD!
    Extra 1-2" BB clearance is nice too.

    Woulda, coulda, shoulda got it first instead of the Enduro, but that was my first mtb and I didn't know how much I'd get into the sport. Thought I was buying beefy enough not to break a frame but was wrong, and I'm not an aggressive rider.

    To the lightweight folks out there this is a ferrari for them....for me it's a sweet ass accord..ok...Volvo....

    sure is purdy
    Mine is black....

    Check around some places rent them.
    Places in Dallas, Houston and even Austin will let you take them out and get some dirt on the tires.......
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    Ventana

    No Question for me after riding most of the above. Came down to the EL Salt, Quad Bearings, Upgradable to 5" if you want now or later on the same shock. I have flogged to death my 22" Salty and it is still like new. It has been Raced in short course xc, 100km epics, solo endurance, thousands of km in training, countless other people testing or riding it. I have killed some forks (Talas RLC) and a set of wheels , 2 sets of Xtype BBs, etc but the frame is perfect.

    Hecklers are great I had one before I bought the Salty but there is Light and Day between the two in terms of perfromance and finish. Yes the salty is more expensive but worth every penny. Downside is really only the weight it is a bit heavier than some of the others mentioned. Mine was 6.05lb wth Swinger 3 way. Fully built up with X9 etc it is a circa 26-27lb. Lighter soon with some industry nines on the way.

    At the end of the day though I am sure you will get a great bike.

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