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    Quote Originally Posted by Superorb View Post
    ^^ What other cars have you driven? What were you expecting from a 5 year old base model? Where do you live?
    I've also driven a '09 Jetta Sportwagen. More money than the Soob, but it felt very nice inside. I sat in it and thought "wow, this is a nice car!". However, at least on the test route that I took it on, I can't say it drove any better than the Soob did. A no D, so I'm hesitant to go that route.

    I live in RI. I wasn't expecting a Mercedes or anything like that, but I keep hearing how much people love their OB's and how nice they are. I guess I had set my expectatations too high.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ilikebmx999 View Post
    We're talking about a regular outback or an outback sport? Big difference in size. The sport is an impreza chassis which is fairly small inside. The regular outback is pretty large.

    And yes, base model cars are just that...base model. I'd say shop around more and find one with more options. That body style is the best looking for the regular outback IMO.
    I drove the regular wagon. I wouldn't describe it as "large" though. I sat in the pass seat, and to get mostly comfortable I had to put the seat back all the way. Then, I sat in the pass side rear seat, and my knees were jammed up against the back of the front seat. Cargo area with the seats down looked decently sized though.

    And I agree 100%, that body style is the best looking, and to go even further, I think the 05-07 models are the best of that body style. The '08-'09 front end doesn't look as good IMO. I like the extra size of the 4th gen though, and despite it's wierd looks that's the one I'd pick if cost were not a factor.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tystevens View Post
    Funny analysis, b/c in my mind, that is exactly what an Outback is -- a very useful transportation appliance. It can get you where you want to go in most any conditions, and allow you to bring your stuff there, too. I don't think anyone would confuse a 2.5i as being a driver's car! Is is a transportation appliance, plain and simple. It is a pair of trail runners or light hiking shoes, not a pair of athletic shoes or nice dress shoes! If you want to get bikes, skis, or whatever up rough or snowy roads, that is where an Outback seems to shine. That said, I don't think the Outback feels any different than a comparably equipped Accord, Camry, Malibu, etc, which is part why I went w/ the Outback. It felt the same as the other cars, but just had a little more capability for the things I like to do.

    If you want a few more bells and whistles, the limited models are a little nicer inside, and might help you have that warm and fuzzy feeling. I drove a couple, and the leather seats and upgraded stereo were nice. Plus, that sunroof is pretty neat -- it is huge. But in the end, I was only shopping for an appliance to get myself to and from work, to the trails, and give me secure transportation in inclement weather. So I went with a pretty standard 2.5i wagon (not the "basic", but the "i" model w/ the 17" wheels and stuff like that). If I want to feel special, I'll climb in the fully loaded Suburban my wife drives!
    Actually, after thinking about it more over the weekend and talking to some friends, I have to agee with you. With what I'm looking for in a car at this point, an appliance is what it's going to be.

    This is replacing my '97 Grand Cherokee, and what I really want is another SUV, but I just drive too much to be able to justify getting that type of mileage. Four hundred miles a week at 17mpg just doesn't work for me.

    So basically what I need is an AWD wagon if I want something comparable to the Jeep with better mileage. So that leaves the Outback, the Volvo XC70, and the Audi as pretty much the only options. It's hard to find a Volvo with under 100k miles for a decent price, and from what I've read about Audi's, they're the kind of car you do not want to own out of warranty. So I might have to just get over it and learn to love the Subaru.

    Plus, I still have my LS1 Firebird as a fun car, so I suppose it won't kill me to have a boring daily driver, haha.

    I'd like to find a LTD, but I don't see too many around. Before I looked at the '07, there was an '06 LTD at a nearby dealer that I had actually set out to drive that day. Turns out it was sold, so I went around the corner to where the '07 was and drove that one instead.

    I'm thinking of offering them my Jeep in trade, plus 11k. I'd be happy with that deal, and even private party I wouldn't expect to get any more than 1500 for the Jeep, so that owuld save me a few bucks on sales tax and the trouble of selling it. I guess it depends on how bad they want to get rid of the car. The saleman told me they usually have a 15-18 day turnover, and that car has been there for at least a month that I know of.

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    I don't want to quote the entire previous response, but a couple thoughts:

    1) I agree that the 3rd gen isn't a very big car on the inside. That is probably my main complaint about the car after nearly a month of owing an '07 OB. Drivers comfort is ok, but at 'only' 6' tall, my seat is all the way back, which leaves very little room for a rear passenger, even a small one. Then there's the width of the seat, which is kind of a joke. A car seat and 2 boosters are a no-go. I never really crawled around back there much before buying -- I mean, you see Outbacks touted as a "family vehicle" all over the place -- but the car really isn't big enough to transport 3 kids in seats, at least on a regular basis. We have child #4 due to arrive in the spring, so the Outback really never was intended to be our family hauler, anyway, but I am a little disappointed with the interior seating capabilities.

    2) I just think the OB is a different car than the Audi or Volvo. Quattro is a great AWD system, but is more performance oriented than 'offroad' oriented (good snow cars, though). Plus, there is the ride height (at least on the A4). And if you find a bi-turbo Allroad, you won't get much better mpg than the Grand Cherokee. The OB is a good alternative to an SUV that is not used to tow or 4x4 a lot, IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    Ok, at least there's a place more expensive than California.
    Yep, it is worse than California. I truly hate this place but my job is in Manhattan. How much are the premiums in California?
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    A Jetta wagon and Outback aren't in the same class of cars at all. If you don't need AWD there are plenty of cars to consider besides an Outback.

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    Had an LL bean H6 3.0, never found it to be "small", in fact found the rear seats pretty generous. It may not be crown-vic large, but it's better than pretty much any midsize SUV I've ridden in, any wrx/mazda3-sized car by FAR.

    And yeah, the outback is made to travel off-road. It's anti-sway bars are weak to soak up asymmetrical bumps (even though it feels like it's clawing the road on the dry and flat), it's springs are soft for similar reasons and ease of driving off road. Now my parents have a 2012 outback and it goes much further in this direction than the old H6 3.0, it's more specialized for it's intended role. It's not going to carve up the dry like a low and stiff performance car. If it did, it'd ride like poop off road.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PatrickK View Post
    Yep, it is worse than California. I truly hate this place but my job is in Manhattan. How much are the premiums in California?
    Not very cheap. I have State Farm's highest driver safety rating (42 years old) and pay a little more than 400 every six months for an 2009 Impreza Premium (non turbo). The old 2002 Forester is like 300 or so. I know "TV insurance" could be less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    Not very cheap. I have State Farm's highest driver safety rating (42 years old) and pay a little more than 400 every six months for an 2009 Impreza Premium (non turbo). The old 2002 Forester is like 300 or so. I know "TV insurance" could be less.
    We are still talking about full coverage, right? I had State Farm, the greedy bastards were jacking up my rates for no reason. I cancelled them and asked my accountant to find me a better deal. I went with Hartford insurance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PatrickK View Post
    We are still talking about full coverage, right? I had State Farm, the greedy bastards were jacking up my rates for no reason. I cancelled them and asked my accountant to find me a better deal. I went with Hartford insurance.
    Full coverage and lots of it; I've had the same agent since I was 16, maybe that helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilikebmx999 View Post
    That seems quite high if you're 54. I'm 28 and pay $52 a month for full coverage on my 04 wrx.
    Thats kind of comparing apples to oranges. Insurance is always lower on an older car because the value decreases with the cars age. Full coverage also varies and with a $250 deductible my rate is pretty low. It's farm bureau so no internet insurance. I suppose having two driving age teenage sons doesn't help either. Considering all of that, I think the rate is pretty good.

    Compared to other performance cars I have owned the subarus have always been more durable and less costly to own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilikebmx999 View Post
    That seems quite high if you're 54. I'm 28 and pay $52 a month for full coverage on my 04 wrx.
    Thats kind of comparing apples to oranges. Insurance is always lower on an older car because the value decreases with the cars age. Full coverage also varies and with a $250 deductible my rate is pretty low. It's farm bureau so no internet insurance. I suppose having two driving age teenage sons doesn't help either. Considering all of that, I think the rate is pretty good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilikebmx999 View Post
    That seems quite high if you're 54. I'm 28 and pay $52 a month for full coverage on my 04 wrx.
    Thats kind of comparing apples to oranges. Insurance is always lower on an older car because the value decreases with the cars age. Full coverage also varies and with a $250 deductible my rate is pretty low. It's farm bureau so no internet insurance. I suppose having two driving age teenage sons doesn't help either. Considering all of that, I think the rate is pretty good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    Full coverage and lots of it; I've had the same agent since I was 16, maybe that helps.

    Cool. I do not have much choice for the time being. It is great to hear that you are a loyal customer and your agent is doing his job. I no longer own a Subaru so my premium is higher right now.
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    Finally got to go ride yesterday, here's my Subaru, bike, and rack.
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    Nice bike, car, and rack!

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    Good job!

    Nice set-up Camel Toad! I have the same color OB but a 1Up rack...
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    Thanks, I am pretty happy with all three (car, bike, rack).

    I saw a 1up yesterday, and it's really solid. I like it a lot, too! I bought the NV based on a few people I know that have one.

    The OB is a big change from a Nissan Titan. It doesn't feel like it's mine yet, but I just crossed 400 miles on the ODO. In the last 8 days I've driven a whopping 49 miles
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    You'll be putting more miles on soon.. I am almost at 40K miles in 2 years...
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    My 9yr old truck had only 69.5k when I sold it...I work from home


    Anyway, what kind of mpg are you getting? Looks like my first tank was 21.5, which is disappointing since I didn't drive aggressively. I can't remember for sure if I reset the trip meter when the dealer topped it off. We'll see how it goes.
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    My 2006 WRX has 170,000 miles on it. I bought it new in the fall of 2006.

    My 80+ mile a day commute recently went to 12 miles a day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Camel Toad View Post
    My 9yr old truck had only 69.5k when I sold it...I work from home


    Anyway, what kind of mpg are you getting? Looks like my first tank was 21.5, which is disappointing since I didn't drive aggressively. I can't remember for sure if I reset the trip meter when the dealer topped it off. We'll see how it goes.
    I have the 3.6 as I tow my skiff around, which the car does very well BTW. Last 1000 miles I averaged 27.6 MPG. That includes towing, city/Hwy and going to the trail-system doing maintenance. If I just drive on the Hwy than the OB gets 29-31 MPG and I am not driving like a granny as that gets you killed down here..
    The mileage will improve but IMHO after 500-1000 miles you need to drive it like you stole it. Keep an eye on the engine oil and change at 1000 miles regardless of what the dealer and manual tell you. I use synthetic oil and from now on will only use Redline as Mobil1 sucks. Both my mom's and my OB seem to evaporate that oil, unlike Valvoline or Pennzoil we used before. My brother drives a GTI and on the forums he is on, the talk about Mobil1 is not good either...
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    Good job!

    Quote Originally Posted by Turbopit View Post
    My 2006 WRX has 170,000 miles on it. I bought it new in the fall of 2006.

    My 80+ mile a day commute recently went to 12 miles a day.
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    Just bought my third Subaru. The only cars I've ever owned. I scored a 91 Legacy wagon with only 122k original miles on it.

    The shop I took it into to just do an alignment after buying even mentioned how crazy good condition the engine looked to be in.

    I'm planning on putting a 2-3" body lift in and see what tires I can snug in there because out of all I've owned, I've always wished for just a touch more clearance.

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    Nice color.
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    The XV in orange is niiiiice.

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    Nice XV! I have a Venetian red pearl 5 speed coming in hopefully in the next couple weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superorb View Post
    The XV in orange is niiiiice.
    I love it too.

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    Nice looking XV! I originally went to the Subi dealer looking for one, but ended up with an Outback only b/c the cargo area in the XV was a bit too small for my scuba gear (doubles, deco bottles, and so on for technical diving).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tech420 View Post
    Nice XV! I have a Venetian red pearl 5 speed coming in hopefully in the next couple weeks.
    So, no 6 speed yet? The 2014 forester will have one I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    So, no 6 speed yet? The 2014 forester will have one I guess.
    Nope It's silly to make cars without a 6 speed nowadays. The car could certainly use an extra gear for highway cruising.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tech420 View Post
    Nope It's silly to make cars without a 6 speed nowadays. The car could certainly use an extra gear for highway cruising.
    All depends on the gear ratio's. The STI has a 6pd gearbox, but all the gears are quite short and there's virtually no added benefit over the 5MT in the WRX.

    I just wish they'd make the FXT in a manual again
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    Just bought a '09 Forester XT Limited last Friday. I'm pretty damn excited about it! I've owned nothing but Nissan Sentras my entire life (1993, 2002 that I built the engine on and added a huge turbo... now it sits in the garage for no good reason, and a 2005), so I was very happy to get away from those, though I still own the '02 and '05. I got my AWD and factory turbo, finally! Now I just need to get crossbars for the roof rack so I can swap over my Thule bike stuff. I have a hitch, but not a fan of doing a hitch mounted rack, too many nightmares of some dumbass rearending me and taking out my precious bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miltony527 View Post
    Yeah ive never heard of anybody or any shop replacing just one head gasket. As I said before thats just plain bad practice period. There is really no additional work involved. You probably save $35 for the cost of the gasket.
    No additional work required? Have you ever looked at a Subaru engine?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superorb View Post
    No additional work required? Have you ever looked at a Subaru engine?
    If the engine is out and one head is already off then no; not a lot of work to do the other one. Maybe another book hour at a shop tops. No additional work is not quite what I'd say though lol

    That's just bad practice though especially on a Subaru. If one leaks the other will follow soon enough.

    I've done plenty of work on subarus just to clarify.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tech420 View Post
    Nope It's silly to make cars without a 6 speed nowadays. The car could certainly use an extra gear for highway cruising.
    The Impreza, XV Crosstrek, and WRX are now the only vehicles with a 5-speed manual. The rest have the 6-speed manual available

    Heck, I think Subaru is sending all the leftover 5-speeds to the USA, because the rest of the world gets the 6-speed with the 2.0 liter FB20 engine.

    Quote Originally Posted by OO7 View Post
    All depends on the gear ratio's. The STI has a 6pd gearbox, but all the gears are quite short and there's virtually no added benefit over the 5MT in the WRX.

    I just wish they'd make the FXT in a manual again
    Probably not happening due to lack of sales

    Also, the new Forester XT is a CVT-only combination. If you want manual control, there are 6-speed and 8-speed shiftable modes, SI-Drive...

    and X-Mode, Subaru's low-traction and hill-descent control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tech420 View Post
    Nope It's silly to make cars without a 6 speed nowadays. The car could certainly use an extra gear for highway cruising.
    Our 2002 Forester is geared very low compared to our 2009 Impreza. The new car seems fine on the highway, the old car is yelling at speed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    Our 2002 Forester is geared very low compared to our 2009 Impreza. The new car seems fine on the highway, the old car is yelling at speed.
    Not exactly a fair comparison, because Subaru often gives the Forester and Outback shorter gearing (most likely for potential towing and light off-road use) due to a different final drive.

    The final drive ratios for Foresters and Outbacks (the soft off-roaders) often are shorter than their regular-Subaru counterparts.

    I believe for the longest time, the Forester and Outback with the 5-speed manual had a final drive ratio of 4.11 while most regular 5MT Imprezas and Legacies made do with a taller, 3.90 final drive ratio.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilikebmx999 View Post
    If the engine is out and one head is already off then no; not a lot of work to do the other one. Maybe another book hour at a shop tops. No additional work is not quite what I'd say though lol

    That's just bad practice though especially on a Subaru. If one leaks the other will follow soon enough.

    I've done plenty of work on subarus just to clarify.
    I know you have. I think removing another cylinder head qualifies as additional work though, especially if the engine is still in the car. Although, I wouldn't want to do it while still on the car either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OO7 View Post
    All depends on the gear ratio's. The STI has a 6pd gearbox, but all the gears are quite short and there's virtually no added benefit over the 5MT in the WRX.

    I just wish they'd make the FXT in a manual again
    No, I second the "it's silly to not make cars with 6spds these days". My wrx had a great spread of the gears, and the short gearing of the sti is great, but you really need a nice long gear for the highway or the proper speeds to drop the RPM and increase the mileage significantly. With the WRX you'd see a pretty good boost in mileage if you could drop the rpm to say 2000 at 65. You'd have to downshift for steep hills, but it would be more efficient. 5 is the least I'd consider, but only in some rare cases. Autos and manuals should be 6spd to start with, go 7 or even 8. That subaru is still making a 4spd auto is inexcusable IMO. They are the last to really take hold of new technology (direct injection, twin scroll turbos on us models, etc), but usually when they do, it's pretty solid. Here's to hoping they see the light.
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    I have thought about test driving a XV but I'm afraid that I'll have to bring it home. I really don't like car payments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    No, I second the "it's silly to not make cars with 6spds these days". My wrx had a great spread of the gears, and the short gearing of the sti is great, but you really need a nice long gear for the highway or the proper speeds to drop the RPM and increase the mileage significantly. With the WRX you'd see a pretty good boost in mileage if you could drop the rpm to say 2000 at 65. You'd have to downshift for steep hills, but it would be more efficient. 5 is the least I'd consider, but only in some rare cases. Autos and manuals should be 6spd to start with, go 7 or even 8. That subaru is still making a 4spd auto is inexcusable IMO. They are the last to really take hold of new technology (direct injection, twin scroll turbos on us models, etc), but usually when they do, it's pretty solid. Here's to hoping they see the light.
    I'm with you about needing a low final gear. My Outback is a 5 MT, and in 5th gear it hangs at 3200 rpm for 65 mph. It really needs to be brought down to around 2500 for such a speed.

    Subaru, however, no longer offers a 4 speed auto for their Legacy and Outback. Now its either a 6 MT or a CVT, which gets great mileage for a full time awd car.

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    I'm with you about needing a low final gear. My Outback is a 5 MT, and in 5th gear it hangs at 3200 rpm for 65 mph. It really needs to be brought down to around 2500 for such a speed.

    Subaru, however, no longer offers a 4 speed auto for their Legacy and Outback. Now its either a 6 MT or a CVT, which gets great mileage for a full time awd car.
    My Subaru OB 3.6 has a 5 speed automatic, and I get 30 MPG on the highway @ 70 MPH...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Superorb View Post
    I know you have. I think removing another cylinder head qualifies as additional work though, especially if the engine is still in the car. Although, I wouldn't want to do it while still on the car either.
    I don't know why people would even bother wasting time doing it IN the car. Sounds like a nightmare.

    I just put an engine in my boss's car earlier in the week. I'm getting disturbingly quick at it all by myself lol. Took 40 minutes from it sitting on a stand to being bolted to the trans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilikebmx999 View Post
    I don't know why people would even bother wasting time doing it IN the car. Sounds like a nightmare.

    I just put an engine in my boss's car earlier in the week. I'm getting disturbingly quick at it all by myself lol. Took 40 minutes from it sitting on a stand to being bolted to the trans.
    I did my head gaskets with the engine still in the car and fully bolted to the engine mounts still. It is a nightmare, but that was the only way. My reason is lack of space. I don't have room in my garage to maneuver a cherry picker into place.

    I'm hoping your boss took you out for a few beers for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zuarte View Post
    I did my head gaskets with the engine still in the car and fully bolted to the engine mounts still. It is a nightmare, but that was the only way. My reason is lack of space. I don't have room in my garage to maneuver a cherry picker into place.

    I'm hoping your boss took you out for a few beers for that.
    Sohc or dohc? I know sohc you can leave the cams in to get to the head bolts but I've never actually done it on one. I've only worked on turbo cars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OscarW View Post
    My Subaru OB 3.6 has a 5 speed automatic, and I get 30 MPG on the highway @ 70 MPH...
    Is that on a 4th gen OB? I haven't looked into them much, but I thought they only had a manual or a CVT. That's awesome mileage for a 6 cyl. My 2nd gen 2.5 manages 27.5 mpg at best, and that's with trying to get the best mileage.

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    Yes, that is a 2011 OB. In the city my milage isn't great, but still better than my truck did on the highway.
    I drive between the Keys and Ft Lauderdale a lot and that has kept my average mileage at around 27.6 city/highway and towing my boat for over 40K miles..I am quite happy with those results. My only gripe with the car are the crummy OEM tires..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilikebmx999 View Post
    Sohc or dohc? I know sohc you can leave the cams in to get to the head bolts but I've never actually done it on one. I've only worked on turbo cars.
    It's a SOHC. If it was a DOHC, I don't think I would have had the will to do it myself, what with taking 4 cam shafts out and messing with valve shims, etc. Somebody on the Outback forums did a head gasket job on a DOHC while in car, and wrote an illustrated tutorial. So much easier with a SOHC, however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zuarte View Post
    Is that on a 4th gen OB? I haven't looked into them much, but I thought they only had a manual or a CVT. That's awesome mileage for a 6 cyl. My 2nd gen 2.5 manages 27.5 mpg at best, and that's with trying to get the best mileage.
    Yeah, that is pretty good. My 3rd gen. wont even get 27mpg, at least not at freeway speeds. Kinda wishing I'd gone 4th gen ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zuarte View Post
    I did my head gaskets with the engine still in the car and fully bolted to the engine mounts still. It is a nightmare, but that was the only way. My reason is lack of space. I don't have room in my garage to maneuver a cherry picker into place.

    I'm hoping your boss took you out for a few beers for that.
    Ahhh, hoping I don't have to become familiar with this process. I've been noticing a coolant smell on occasion on my '07 w/ 53k miles, and it was pretty low on coolant when I checked this weekend -- well below the add line (could see about an inch of coolant in the bottle when warm, nothing in the bottle when cold and not driven for 2 days). No visible leaking under the car, and the exhaust doesn't smell of coolant or appear to have visible steam, so hopefully it is just inadvertence and very slow burnoff, although I haven't had a car that used a bit of coolant for about 10 yrs now. I've only had the car since Oct. 1st, and really never closely checked it before.

    I filled it back up yesterday and will be tracking closely. We'll see what happens ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tystevens View Post
    Ahhh, hoping I don't have to become familiar with this process. I've been noticing a coolant smell on occasion on my '07 w/ 53k miles, and it was pretty low on coolant when I checked this weekend -- well below the add line (could see about an inch of coolant in the bottle when warm, nothing in the bottle when cold and not driven for 2 days). No visible leaking under the car, and the exhaust doesn't smell of coolant or appear to have visible steam, so hopefully it is just inadvertence and very slow burnoff, although I haven't had a car that used a bit of coolant for about 10 yrs now. I've only had the car since Oct. 1st, and really never closely checked it before.

    I filled it back up yesterday and will be tracking closely. We'll see what happens ...
    I frequent the subaruoutback.org forums, and the consensus by the more experienced wrenchers on there is that the 2.5L SOHC engine can be nursed along for many many miles with a small coolant leak. But once you suspect it might have one, you must be very vigilant on checking that the car has enough coolant. Overheating should be avoided as much as possible with Subes.

    Try this: Once the car is up to operating temperature, look in your coolant bottle and see if there are bubbles coming up through the liquid. If there are, you have an internal leak, where the coolant is mixing with the combustion cycle. You mentioned not being able to smell coolant in the exhaust, but look in the bottle to be sure. If there are no bubbles, but you're still loosing a lot of coolant, you could have an external leak to the outside of the engine. This latter kind is not as urgent as the former.

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    I got a coolant leak, because I re-installed the coolant hose just slightly wrong, and the belt cut into it. It wouldn't leak all the time, only when I pushed it and at odd times. It was hard to track, until I found it actually spurting. Easy fix, and it was totally my fault. It had to be positioned "just right" to not rub.
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    oem radiators are known to crack at the plastic end-tanks. I had the smell and wasn't able to find the crack until the car was a operating temp.

    I replaced mine with a Mishimoto and it was about an hour job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zuarte View Post
    I frequent the subaruoutback.org forums, and the consensus by the more experienced wrenchers on there is that the 2.5L SOHC engine can be nursed along for many many miles with a small coolant leak. But once you suspect it might have one, you must be very vigilant on checking that the car has enough coolant. Overheating should be avoided as much as possible with Subes.

    Try this: Once the car is up to operating temperature, look in your coolant bottle and see if there are bubbles coming up through the liquid. If there are, you have an internal leak, where the coolant is mixing with the combustion cycle. You mentioned not being able to smell coolant in the exhaust, but look in the bottle to be sure. If there are no bubbles, but you're still loosing a lot of coolant, you could have an external leak to the outside of the engine. This latter kind is not as urgent as the former.
    Thanks for the tips. Yeah, I'll be checking it frequently now, that is for sure. I put in some OEM coolant mixed w/ the Subaru stop-leak the other day, we'll see what happens.
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    loving my 2012 wrx, still cant decide on which roof rack setup to get, thule, yakima, or oem... anyone have any recommendations?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tystevens View Post
    Thanks for the tips. Yeah, I'll be checking it frequently now, that is for sure. I put in some OEM coolant mixed w/ the Subaru stop-leak the other day, we'll see what happens.
    When I had my '01 Forester (I work for a Subaru dealer, in sales), we put the Subaru coolant conditioner in after noticing a small leak from the gaskets, and it clotted and I drove it just fine for close to a year before replacing the gaskets. Good luck!

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    loving my 2012 wrx, still cant decide on which roof rack setup to get, thule, yakima, or oem... anyone have any recommendations?
    Yakima Control Towers + Round bars + 42" fairing is a great setup. I JUST went through this debate and this is what I ended up with. I know a lot of folks like the OEM setup, but to me its kinda hideous looking and without a fairing, its worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nyrangerfan222 View Post
    loving my 2012 wrx, still cant decide on which roof rack setup to get, thule, yakima, or oem... anyone have any recommendations?
    Well, it looks nice and clean like that! I sure wouldn't want to mess that up, so I'd go hitch, ever day and sunday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    Well, it looks nice and clean like that! I sure wouldn't want to mess that up, so I'd go hitch, ever day and sunday.
    Gotta cut the bumper to do that on the current gen hatches. I'd much prefer a hitch as well, but I am not into cutting up my brand new car . . .
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    I had to cut a bit of mine on my MY04 for a hitch as well. Worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilikebmx999 View Post
    I had to cut a bit of mine on my MY04 for a hitch as well. Worth it.
    I'm sure I eventually will too, but for now I'm going to deal with the roof rack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zachariah View Post
    Loved my 2007 WRX STi. But totaled it and upgraded to 325hp Audi allroad quattro, with Twin-Turbo V6. Love the Boxer - but the Audi 2.7T and quattro AWD is simply unbeatable....
    If there was ever a less reliable car then a turbo subaru you sure found it ahaha


    They do look awesome though and being able to adjust ride height is sweet too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilikebmx999 View Post
    If there was ever a less reliable car then a turbo subaru you sure found it ahaha


    They do look awesome though and being able to adjust ride height is sweet too
    Very true. I used to rebuild Porsche engines and I love wrenching. I have a Stage 3 tune planned for the Audi.....shooting for 400awhp!
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    I've read/heard once you replace those stock turbos with something good the engine is good to go. They still have their electrical gremlins

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    I modified the "sport works" roof rack (adapted from a hitch rack) to carry the fat bike, works great.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    Well, it looks nice and clean like that! I sure wouldn't want to mess that up, so I'd go hitch, ever day and sunday.
    Thanks man, I've tossed around the hitch idea as well. I've been throwing the bike inside for the past year because I haven't been able to decide on which to go with hitch vs roof (Thule vs Yakima is another headache in itself). The hitch I didn't want to cut bumper plus didn't want Subaru to try and use that against me in any potential warranty coverage being that they don't recommend hitches/towing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by nyrangerfan222 View Post
    Thanks man, I've tossed around the hitch idea as well. I've been throwing the bike inside for the past year because I haven't been able to decide on which to go with hitch vs roof (Thule vs Yakima is another headache in itself). The hitch I didn't want to cut bumper plus didn't want Subaru to try and use that against me in any potential warranty coverage being that they don't recommend hitches/towing.


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    Subaru, or any other manufacturer, can't deny warranty claims because of the hitch you installed unless you rip the frame rails out when you attempt to tow a 10K# trailer. The Moss Magnussen act prevents this. The same law prevents the manufacturers from denying warranty claims because you do your own maintenance. Just KEEP all the receipts!!!
    I have a 4000# rated, 2" hitch on my OB and now my dealer is installing them too, as the factory hitch sucks and is overpriced. If you just have a hitch to put a bike-rack on you should be fine.
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    loving my 2012 wrx, still cant decide on which roof rack setup to get, thule, yakima, or oem... anyone have any recommendations?


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    I got a hitch rack on mine (2012 WRX Sedan) with a 1-Up rack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flipnidaho View Post
    I got a hitch rack on mine (2012 WRX Sedan) with a 1-Up rack.
    Yeah, but on the hatch, it requires a "bumper modification" that I don't think you have to do on the sedan. Your setup is pretty sweet though, thats for sure.
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    ^ lol I still have my GTI and i am also on golfmkv forum. HOWEVER, the GTI is under the knife for the 3rd time now. Last build and its staying as a track car.

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    I always liked VW's but compared to the WRX, it was more money up front to get into one . . . plus I had to have AWD when I lived in MI, and since the first Subie, I'm hooked . . . on my 3rd one now.
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    I'm very interested in a BRZ when the STi version comes out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    I'm very interested in a BRZ when the STi version comes out?
    Bentley not cuttin' it any more

    Yeah, you and the rest of the Subaru/Toyota cult following! If I know one thing though, its do NOT buy the 1st gen of ANYTHING Subaru . . . as is, its a FUN car to drive, but its really underpowered IMO. Adding some forced induction would do WONDERS for the thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OO7 View Post
    Bentley not cuttin' it any more

    Yeah, you and the rest of the Subaru/Toyota cult following! If I know one thing though, its do NOT buy the 1st gen of ANYTHING Subaru . . . as is, its a FUN car to drive, but its really underpowered IMO. Adding some forced induction would do WONDERS for the thing.
    Yeah, that thing was a gas hog! Do you mean a generation or a year? I can wait an extra year, not sure about a generation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gtiboy87 View Post
    ^ lol I still have my GTI and i am also on golfmkv forum. HOWEVER, the GTI is under the knife for the 3rd time now. Last build and its staying as a track car.
    Traded my white '08 autobahn package MKV GTI last year for a 2011 WRX. It was my 6th GTI not counting a Mk IV R32, and this is my 3rd turbo Subaru. Love German cars and considered a Golf R, but the bang for the buck of the base WRX is hard to beat for a no frills performance car. I bet if you took a poll you would find that many WRX and Sti owners have previously owned GTI's (probably the inverse is true too).

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    I def love my WRX and the GTI is sitting in my garage apart. It is a dedicated road car (track) 6pt cage, two kirkey seats, harness, entire back is gutted etc... I have all original receipts of parts for the gti on its last full build totaling 15K. If i had to do it all over, i would choose the wrx and dump the same amount of money in to that car. I would have a track MONSTER! The gti is equipped with an APR stg3 set-up and was one of the first in the US to have the kit back in 2008. I am debating my next build for that car and what direction i want to move in. I have two local friends that both have red mkv gti's running 600+ fwhp dedicated drag usuage. I rode in the one and it is just plain scary. We did a 3rd gear pull and did not reach traction until 120 mph, SWEAR TO GOD. My two friends have done some AMAZING things with those two cars and doing so all on their OWN out of a simple house garage. Granted my one friend works as an engineer for a reputable company and his family/dad used to build drag cars at a professional level (not really sure on the total history of that) and both have some brains lol They have been knocked by various tuning groups for lying about their power outputs etc... I can verify personally lol There is no lying or BS, but neither care about what other shops say. Some of the shops get on the forums and try to knock them, but the proof is all right there lol ANYWAY, Gf uses my tundra for work. Currently looking for an automatic wrx for her. I tried teaching her how to drive manual, but i would feel more comfortable with her being in something automatic, that she is comfortable driving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    Yeah, that thing was a gas hog! Do you mean a generation or a year? I can wait an extra year, not sure about a generation.
    Just a model year . . . give em' a year to work out all the bugs. Though from what I hear, the BRZs don't have many known quirks. This could be a reflection of the fact that only a few thousand cars were sold stateside though.

    Rumor has it the STI BRZ might be available late 2013 as a 2014MY. If that's the case, I'd wait until late 2014 to get a 2015MY. Just my .02.
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    If the car can't hook up until 120 then they obviously spent their money in the wrong places. All that power is useless if you can't put it to the ground.


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    Quote Originally Posted by gtiboy87 View Post
    I def love my WRX and the GTI is sitting in my garage apart. It is a dedicated road car (track) 6pt cage, two kirkey seats, harness, entire back is gutted etc... I have all original receipts of parts for the gti on its last full build totaling 15K. If i had to do it all over, i would choose the wrx and dump the same amount of money in to that car. I would have a track MONSTER! The gti is equipped with an APR stg3 set-up and was one of the first in the US to have the kit back in 2008. I am debating my next build for that car and what direction i want to move in. I have two local friends that both have red mkv gti's running 600+ fwhp dedicated drag usuage. I rode in the one and it is just plain scary. We did a 3rd gear pull and did not reach traction until 120 mph, SWEAR TO GOD. My two friends have done some AMAZING things with those two cars and doing so all on their OWN out of a simple house garage. Granted my one friend works as an engineer for a reputable company and his family/dad used to build drag cars at a professional level (not really sure on the total history of that) and both have some brains lol They have been knocked by various tuning groups for lying about their power outputs etc... I can verify personally lol There is no lying or BS, but neither care about what other shops say. Some of the shops get on the forums and try to knock them, but the proof is all right there lol ANYWAY, Gf uses my tundra for work. Currently looking for an automatic wrx for her. I tried teaching her how to drive manual, but i would feel more comfortable with her being in something automatic, that she is comfortable driving.
    Consider a 2004/2005 Forester XT with auto? I saw a nice 2005 the other day at a dealer with auto. I had a 2005 mt5 FXT and had all of the STI parts on it. That is one great all-rounder vehicle that can haul bikes inside and out and be a really great sleeper performance-wise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OO7 View Post
    Just a model year . . . give em' a year to work out all the bugs. Though from what I hear, the BRZs don't have many known quirks. This could be a reflection of the fact that only a few thousand cars were sold stateside though.

    Rumor has it the STI BRZ might be available late 2013 as a 2014MY. If that's the case, I'd wait until late 2014 to get a 2015MY. Just my .02.
    That's about the time I want to buy something new. I going to have a hard time picking a color with this car. It's weird, I like the traditional Subaru blue with gold wheels. But I'm not a lover of blue cars or really, blue anything. But, I really like white or black with black wheels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N10S View Post
    Consider a 2004/2005 Forester XT with auto? I saw a nice 2005 the other day at a dealer with auto. I had a 2005 mt5 FXT and had all of the STI parts on it. That is one great all-rounder vehicle that can haul bikes inside and out and be a really great sleeper performance-wise.
    Or better yet, get a current gen FXT. I had a 2010 Forester XT and LOVED the thing. It was amply large enough for bikes, had the same drivetrain as a WRX (the previous gen @ 224HP) and came with a 4EAT. Wasn't the fastest thing around, but it definitely held its own against the other soccer moms
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    That's about the time I want to buy something new. I going to have a hard time picking a color with this car. It's weird, I like the traditional Subaru blue with gold wheels. But I'm not a lover of blue cars or really, blue anything. But, I really like white or black with black wheels.
    WRB FTW

    The Satin White Pearl, however, is an AWESOME color. I would have gotten that, but my Forester was that color and I just couldn't have the same color car twice. Whatever you get though, be damn sure to get the door cups clearbra'd . . . trust me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OO7 View Post
    WRB FTW

    The Satin White Pearl, however, is an AWESOME color. I would have gotten that, but my Forester was that color and I just couldn't have the same color car twice. Whatever you get though, be damn sure to get the door cups clearbra'd . . . trust me.
    You mean inside the door handles?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    You mean inside the door handles?
    Yeah . . . I had a dark grey metallic WRX (another great color) and a satin white pearl Forester each for 3 years and on both of them, inside the door cups (concave surface behind the handles) were super scratched and very noticeable. So on the current WRX, I had 3M clearbra applied (worked a deal to get it done for free when I had my windows tinted).
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    From now on I will avoit the 4EAT like the plague. Gears are so far spaced out with a non-turbo the thing is a dog and is always hunting when driving in the mountains.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superorb View Post
    From now on I will avoit the 4EAT like the plague. Gears are so far spaced out with a non-turbo the thing is a dog and is always hunting when driving in the mountains.
    It has a manual mode as well...YMMV though..
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