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    Subaru XV Crosstrek

    Subaru XV Crosstrek | The New 2013 XV Crosstrek

    Looks like a interesting option for a good outdoor/bike hauler that gets pretty good gas mileage. Been looking for a decent car/suv to supplement my full size truck for when i dont need the space and 4WD.

    I have never owned a Subaru, so i would be curious to see what you guys who are familiar with them have to say. I have a call into the local dealer to email me when they get one in so i can go down and have a look and a test drive.

    The pre-reviews seem to be fairly good except that most are saying its a little under powered at 148 HP.

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    My wife and I are interested in one of these to replace her Jeep Liberty.

    I have put out some e-mails to multiple dealers asking questions (and hoping upon hoping that if enough people ask for the diesel version, that Subaru will bring it to the US in that car), and one of them has had the chance to test drive one. It's basically a lifted version of the Impreza 5dr. That dealer got to test drive one and he sent me some side-by-side pics.

    He says that the suspension on the XV is surprisingly tight given the ground clearance and says that it feels much quieter than the Impreza.

    I'd want to climb in one and see what it feels like before deciding 100%. I drive an 07 Fit Sport with a much less powerful engine, and it feels spritely enough for me.
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    So it's the "new" Impreza Outback model?

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    basically, from what i gather it is a lifted Impreza with a new body.

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    Meh. Needs more engine.

    Why pack 500 lbs of performance enhancing mechanical equipment onto a base model Impreza without improving its heart and muscle?
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    I have a Subaru Outback and on the forums the biggest gripe with the XV seems to be the engine power or lack thereof. However it all depends on what you need the car for and what you expect it to do for you. A test drive will reveal all and should help the OP in making a final decision.
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    For the $25k MSRP I'd buy a [used] 2011 Impreza with some factory warranty on it, throw in a new stereo, put on a hitch and rack, buy new tires and wheels and put the remaining $6k toward a new bike or two... Or buy a used WRX hatch.

    If I absolutely had to go new, I'd still get a regular Impreza hatch over the Crosstek. I can't see how the extra 3" clearance is going to help unless you are on some seriously rough back roads all the time, in which case a lifted truck might be a better option.

    Full disclosure; I own a 2002 WRX wagon and a 2010 STI hatch. I have beat the living **** out of the WRX, and it won't die. Gravel roads, snowbanks, potholes, ditches, airtime, sorta-accidental drifting - it comes back for more. The parts I have worn out are generally replaceable by your average backyard mechanic - struts, spark plugs, tires, light bulbs...

    The downsides - the interiors are pretty cheap, and they develop rattles after a year or two. Since it's AWD, you need to be smoother with the clutch [obviously, this is not a factor with CVT and auto transmissions]. Dealer parts are very expensive compared to aftermarket and performance bits. The paint is thin and chips easily.
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    I own a 2011 STi hatch and pinkrobe is dead on on the description. I have owned Fords my entire life and took a chance on the STi and absolutely love it. I had a 2011 Mustang GT that was almost fully loaded and sold it for the STi (biking reasons mostly) and I don't regret it at all. Even the Mustang had a nicer interior than the STi but that's not something that really bothers me. I believe I read somewhere that Subaru really doesn't warranty rattle noises because they are bound to happen (especially on an STi). But I absolutely love this car. I bought the extended warranty and was really impressed by it. I will drive this car until it dies and then replace it with another Subaru most likely. The Subie already has a few paint chips. I cannot wait until it snows. My husband hated my 2003 and my 2011 Mustang GTs but absolutely loves the STi and wants to get either a WRX or maybe an Outback. He also decided against the Crosstrek because of the lack of power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mfisher1971 View Post
    Meh. Needs more engine.

    Why pack 500 lbs of performance enhancing mechanical equipment onto a base model Impreza without improving its heart and muscle?
    At $22k you're not going to get much more power. Put a WRX motor in that thing and its a different story, but then the price will jump to $28k.

    Either way, I like it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by csledd281 View Post
    I own a 2011 STi hatch and pinkrobe is dead on on the description. I have owned Fords my entire life and took a chance on the STi and absolutely love it. I had a 2011 Mustang GT that was almost fully loaded and sold it for the STi (biking reasons mostly) and I don't regret it at all. Even the Mustang had a nicer interior than the STi but that's not something that really bothers me. I believe I read somewhere that Subaru really doesn't warranty rattle noises because they are bound to happen (especially on an STi). But I absolutely love this car. I bought the extended warranty and was really impressed by it. I will drive this car until it dies and then replace it with another Subaru most likely. The Subie already has a few paint chips. I cannot wait until it snows. My husband hated my 2003 and my 2011 Mustang GTs but absolutely loves the STi and wants to get either a WRX or maybe an Outback. He also decided against the Crosstrek because of the lack of power.
    I am considering getting a Subaru in the future, but it would be my first non GMC/Chevy vehicle. Glad to see you are happy with the Subaru after several fords.
    In my opinion, Subaru has cars that fill a void in the american car makers lineup, a smaller car that is capable in inclement weather, gets good MPG, and roomy enough to haul alot of different things.
    The Chevy Equinox, GMC Terrain, and Ford Escape all lack that Roominess, Superior AWD System, and Rugged Utility grade exterior. Plus they all cost more than a Forester or Outback!

    As for the XV, i like the raised stance, but the wheels are terrible looking......if it had the wheels swapped from the other impreza in the pic it would look alot better.
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    The wife and I are eyeing the XV to replace our 07 Impreza 2.5i wagon when the time comes. Why? Power is plenty enough for us, at 31 I'm way past racing around. Hell, I hardly even drive anywhere unless its to/from the trail or other biking event.

    That said, when we go camping or to the in-laws, there normally is some off-roading involved. No where near enough to justify buying a gus-guzzling truck, but enough that the extra ground clearance would be a blessing.

    I've scrapped enough stuff with our current wagon, had to bend and re-attach muffler shields, broke clips on the front under-guard, etc. Not to mention the saggy-butt issues, especially when loaded.

    A truck would be overkill, but the XV pretty much hits the nail on the head. Sure, I could always throw some Forester struts under the current car, which we've considered, but getting a new ride, with everything covered by warranty seems like a darn good idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jcaino View Post
    The wife and I are eyeing the XV to replace our 07 Impreza 2.5i wagon when the time comes. Why? Power is plenty enough for us, at 31 I'm way past racing around. Hell, I hardly even drive anywhere unless its to/from the trail or other biking event.

    That said, when we go camping or to the in-laws, there normally is some off-roading involved. No where near enough to justify buying a gus-guzzling truck, but enough that the extra ground clearance would be a blessing.

    I've scrapped enough stuff with our current wagon, had to bend and re-attach muffler shields, broke clips on the front under-guard, etc. Not to mention the saggy-butt issues, especially when loaded.

    A truck would be overkill, but the XV pretty much hits the nail on the head. Sure, I could always throw some Forester struts under the current car, which we've considered, but getting a new ride, with everything covered by warranty seems like a darn good idea.

    I agree with this statement. At 33mpg hwy, this is more like an economy car than a zippy sports car, which is what the STi's and WRX's are. I compared curb weight and torque of the XV with my current Honda Fit and my wife's liberty. The XV is comparable (in fact, the ratio is nearly identical) to the Honda. Similar mpg, so I'm not surprised. Of course, the Jeep has more torque relative to vehicle weight, but that's to be expected from a vehicle rated to tow as much as the Jeep. On paper, it looks like the XV will be fine. All I ask is for some extra ground clearance for rough roads and snow.

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    I think Subie may have a winner here. Not many AWD Crossovers are available with a stick, not to mention, are rated at 33mpg and $22k list price. I would check one out.

    And, it doesn't look like it was beaten with Subaru's ugly stick too much. Although, those rims are pretty gash.

    I can live with the meh 0-60 times as long as it corners okay. My Avant is rated at 150hp with good torque numbers, and weighs 200 pounds more than the Subie. It has plenty of pickup for my tastes.
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    I own a 2011 outback sport and love it! Enough ground clearance for most.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pimpbot View Post
    I think Subie may have a winner here. Not many AWD Crossovers are available with a stick, not to mention, are rated at 33mpg and $22k list price. I would check one out.

    And, it doesn't look like it was beaten with Subaru's ugly stick too much. Although, those rims are pretty gash.

    I can live with the meh 0-60 times as long as it corners okay. My Avant is rated at 150hp with good torque numbers, and weighs 200 pounds more than the Subie. It has plenty of pickup for my tastes.
    FWIW, the MT is not rated at 33mpg. The CVT is.

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    I would not buy a first model year car. Too many problems. Plus, Subie's are known for head gasket issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aircooled View Post
    I would not buy a first model year car. Too many problems. Plus, Subie's are known for head gasket issues.
    The head gasket issues have been resolved since the Gen 3 Outbacks. It was a mostly 1997-2003 model year issue on the 2.5 motor. The new Subaru's no longer have that problem and in some cases SOA has helped pay for their replacement.
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    I own Subaru Outback 2006 with 44,000 miles but will not be getting another one. I just had a misfire (both coils died etc.) last week but luckily I bought an extended warranty and my friend works at my Subaru. It is a bit of an overkill for me anyway. I will be getting a small, peppy car such as Honda Civic Si. I still do not know why I bought a big car in the first place since I am a European living in the US. It must have been peer pressure.
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    As a fellow European, I say YOU should be the peer!!
    Too bad the coils went out, but don't think Honda's don't have issues either....YMMV
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    Quote Originally Posted by aircooled View Post
    I would not buy a first model year car. Too many problems. Plus, Subie's are known for head gasket issues.
    Um, it's an Impreza with a different suspension and a slightly larger gas tank. Hardly think that's a first model year car.

    Plus it's rather premature to speculate on head gasket issues with the FB series since it's only been out a year or two. I sell them so I see bad head gaskets almost every day, but only really up to 03-04. Occasionally an 05?

    The HP of this car is perfectly fine, if you are comparing it to things like the Civic, Corolla, Focus, etc... consider that it went down from 170 to 148 when the Impreza was redesigned for 2012, yet the new generation is faster than the older gen (a lot of that has to do with the CVT though).

    If one wants more power, that's what a WRX is for.

    Anyways, back to the OP, using my dealer as an example, we are getting 10-11 for 2013, and all will likely be pre-sold special orders- we aren't anticipating any will come in for stock like to sit on the lot and for test drives and such. Typical procedure is I build a car for a customer to their liking, take a deposit, and when it shows up (earliest are coming in December), customer drives it, and if they don't like it, they get their deposit back instantly. I suspect there will be cars on the lot in the second year, though. People seem puzzled by that, but this car is a sub-model of the Impreza which is already in a demand-exceeds-supply situation.

    As far as handling, I have not driven one, but my Subaru corporate trainer who has been driving one says that it handles "98% like a normal Impreza", which would make sense. I wouldn't expect much of a difference in handling from the suspension except for if you're really pushing the car, but perhaps a noticeable difference in tires- the XV will be running some variant of a Yoko Geolandar. Methinks it might actually be same as what is on Forester Premiums and Limiteds, but I didn't get a chance to verify this the other day when the XV was on display at our store, and it's gone now.

    Honestly, if it were me I would just get a normal Impreza Sport Premium or Limited- maybe put some body spacers on from Subtle to raise it a bit if I needed to, but I personally don't live somewhere where I would need the raised suspension of the XV.

    Oh, and for goodness sake, don't get a 2011 Impreza, the 2012+ is SO much better it's ridiculous. The only way that it would be more cost effective to get a 2008-11 is if you went for an 08-10, the depreciation there would maybe pose a good argument. But then you also get 30% worse fuel economy, and an uglier car, but that's my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aircooled View Post
    I would not buy a first model year car. Too many problems. Plus, Subie's are known for head gasket issues.
    This would actually be a second year car. It's just a regular impreza with a lift kit.

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    Oh, and not to be nit-picky, but there was an XV variant in europe for 2012, so all the changes made to the XV from the 2012 Impreza have already been in production for a year before coming to the US/Canada

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    Quote Originally Posted by XJaredX View Post
    Um, it's an Impreza with a different suspension and a slightly larger gas tank. Hardly think that's a first model year car.

    Plus it's rather premature to speculate on head gasket issues with the FB series since it's only been out a year or two. I sell them so I see bad head gaskets almost every day, but only really up to 03-04. Occasionally an 05?

    The HP of this car is perfectly fine, if you are comparing it to things like the Civic, Corolla, Focus, etc... consider that it went down from 170 to 148 when the Impreza was redesigned for 2012, yet the new generation is faster than the older gen (a lot of that has to do with the CVT though).

    If one wants more power, that's what a WRX is for.

    Anyways, back to the OP, using my dealer as an example, we are getting 10-11 for 2013, and all will likely be pre-sold special orders- we aren't anticipating any will come in for stock like to sit on the lot and for test drives and such. Typical procedure is I build a car for a customer to their liking, take a deposit, and when it shows up (earliest are coming in December), customer drives it, and if they don't like it, they get their deposit back instantly. I suspect there will be cars on the lot in the second year, though. People seem puzzled by that, but this car is a sub-model of the Impreza which is already in a demand-exceeds-supply situation.

    As far as handling, I have not driven one, but my Subaru corporate trainer who has been driving one says that it handles "98% like a normal Impreza", which would make sense. I wouldn't expect much of a difference in handling from the suspension except for if you're really pushing the car, but perhaps a noticeable difference in tires- the XV will be running some variant of a Yoko Geolandar. Methinks it might actually be same as what is on Forester Premiums and Limiteds, but I didn't get a chance to verify this the other day when the XV was on display at our store, and it's gone now.

    Honestly, if it were me I would just get a normal Impreza Sport Premium or Limited- maybe put some body spacers on from Subtle to raise it a bit if I needed to, but I personally don't live somewhere where I would need the raised suspension of the XV.

    Oh, and for goodness sake, don't get a 2011 Impreza, the 2012+ is SO much better it's ridiculous. The only way that it would be more cost effective to get a 2008-11 is if you went for an 08-10, the depreciation there would maybe pose a good argument. But then you also get 30% worse fuel economy, and an uglier car, but that's my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OscarW View Post
    As a fellow European, I say YOU should be the peer!!
    Too bad the coils went out, but don't think Honda's don't have issues either....YMMV
    Hehe, I am sure they have problems. After 8 years without a stick shift I cannot do it anymore. I need a stick. How is Florida treating you? Are you surviving? I am in NY.

    Let my apply a small analogy to cars. Subaru AWD being a full suspension 29er and Honda Civic Si Coupe would be a rigid 29er with semi slick tires. The latter suits me better.

    On the side note, I think Subaru is really out of touch design wise. It really saddens me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PatrickK View Post
    Hehe, I am sure they have problems. After 8 years without a stick shift I cannot do it anymore. I need a stick. How is Florida treating you? Are you surviving? I am in NY.

    Let my apply a small analogy to cars. Subaru AWD being a full suspension 29er and Honda Civic Si Coupe would be a rigid 29er with semi slick tires. The latter suits me better.

    On the side note, I think Subaru is really out of touch design wise. It really saddens me.
    Florida is ok but the summers suck as in too humid and too hot, however, I keep riding. I like our winters though..

    Subaru has gone too mainstream IMHO as well. I like my mom's '07 OB better than mine even though mine is bigger on the inside and quieter too. Quality wise they are both good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aircooled View Post
    I would not buy a first model year car. Too many problems. Plus, Subie's are known for head gasket issues.
    I would have no problem making an exception with Impreza and XV, these are still built in Japan which is a big plus IMO. I'm still driving my "first model year" 2002 WRX Bugeye wagon which was new Oct 2001, probably one of the first to come over on the boat . This car has been golden. On a side note, this car doesn't and never has rattled, still tight!And like many others that have owned these, I just can't part with it even though I can easily afford a new car. I read to many regret stories from people who sold them and then wished they hadn't! That said, the XV is right at the top of my short list for when the time inevitably comes. Meanwhile...






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    XV to be built in Indiana, not overseas.

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    yeah...

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    FWIW, the MT is not rated at 33mpg. The CVT is.
    I noticed that later. I wonder why? Top gear not tall enough on the 5MT?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NateHawk View Post
    If you read that, it does not say that th XV is built in Indiana. the XV and Impreza is currently built in Japan. AFAIK there are no plans to change. The one I test drove at Subaru of Muskoka had Made in Japan clearly stamped in the engine bay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pimpbot View Post
    I noticed that later. I wonder why? Top gear not tall enough on the 5MT?
    Different AWD systems, MT uses a viscous center diff, CVT uses an electric clutch system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackCanoeDog View Post
    If you read that, it does not say that th XV is built in Indiana. the XV and Impreza is currently built in Japan. AFAIK there are no plans to change. The one I test drove at Subaru of Muskoka had Made in Japan clearly stamped in the engine bay.
    you're right. reading comprehension fail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pimpbot View Post
    I noticed that later. I wonder why? Top gear not tall enough on the 5MT?
    The CVT is setup to keep the engine RPM in the optimal fuel economy range as much as possible. The 5MT gets about 3 mpg less I think. The MT is still my personal choice, I live in a rural area where I can enjoy the stickshift. If I lived in the city with constant stop&go driving I would consider the CVT even though I am not a fan of automatics. In Australia they get 6MT, and in Europe they also can get 2L diesel option...which would be awesome in this car! Even better fuel economy plus the power that everyone wants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NateHawk View Post
    you're right. reading comprehension fail.

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    Models built at the Indiana plant: Outback, Legacy, Tribeca, Toyota Camry.
    That article is a good example how wordsmiths phrase things to give a reader the impression or implication they have said such-and-such without actually having said it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbikerTi View Post
    Different AWD systems, MT uses a viscous center diff, CVT uses an electric clutch system.
    Really? I thought it said it was symmetrical. Meaning, always on, diffs all around, maybe with a limited slip or lock-up on the center diff.

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    There are like 4-5 different types of AWD systems in Subaru models, but yeah mtbikerTi is correct in manual versus automatic.

    Symmetrical AWD refers to the side to side symmetry. The engine faces north south and there are no funny transfer cases or whatever hanging off the side of the transmission and rear end. The system goes straight down the middle.

    For the Impreza/XV/Forester/ 4 cyl Legacy and Outback the stick shift is normally 50/50 F/R power split but shifts it if one set of wheels spins considerably faster than the other.

    For the automatic versions of those cars, the power bias is normally something close to 90% front/ 10% rear, but will shift up to 50% to the back as needed.

    I favor the manual transmission's awd system but in reality they are both superb.

    Depending on the year and trim levels there were limited slip rear diffs too, but in the non performance cars those have more or less been replaced by electronic aids.

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    I was going thru some product certification yesterday and learned this stuff- it makes me want to stop saying "an Impreza with a lift kit" lol

    -Transmission ratios have been revised to enhance towing capacity
    -Radiator has increased cooling capacity for towing
    -Front brake rotor diameter is increased to 11.6 inches from 10.9 inches on Impreza
    -Fuel tank is 1.4 gallons larger than Impreza
    -Suspension height is 3 inches higher than Impreza
    -Suspension differences include increased rigidity, stiffer spring rate, greater damping force, larger front strut tubes and brackets, larger front stabilizer bar
    -Wider track and shorter wheelbase than Impreza

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    Quote Originally Posted by XJaredX View Post
    I was going thru some product certification yesterday and learned this stuff- it makes me want to stop saying "an Impreza with a lift kit" lol

    -Transmission ratios have been revised to enhance towing capacity
    -Radiator has increased cooling capacity for towing
    -Front brake rotor diameter is increased to 11.6 inches from 10.9 inches on Impreza
    -Fuel tank is 1.4 gallons larger than Impreza
    -Suspension height is 3 inches higher than Impreza
    -Suspension differences include increased rigidity, stiffer spring rate, greater damping force, larger front strut tubes and brackets, larger front stabilizer bar
    -Wider track and shorter wheelbase than Impreza
    Some real improvements there over the base Impreza...but I'm really wondering about the shorter wheelbase. I get the wider track...but how did they end up with a shorter wheelbase?
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    Quote Originally Posted by XJaredX View Post
    I was going thru some product certification yesterday and learned this stuff- it makes me want to stop saying "an Impreza with a lift kit" lol

    -Transmission ratios have been revised to enhance towing capacity
    -Radiator has increased cooling capacity for towing
    -Front brake rotor diameter is increased to 11.6 inches from 10.9 inches on Impreza
    -Fuel tank is 1.4 gallons larger than Impreza
    -Suspension height is 3 inches higher than Impreza
    -Suspension differences include increased rigidity, stiffer spring rate, greater damping force, larger front strut tubes and brackets, larger front stabilizer bar
    -Wider track and shorter wheelbase than Impreza
    Sooo..... it IS an Impreza on stilts!

    Not that there is anything wrong with that.

    And, I can't believe folks are whining about 150hp. 0-60 in 10 seconds (as found in a Google search) is not going to win any street races, but is not bad. It wasn't too long ago that a VW Rabbit was 0-60 in 10 seconds was pretty dang quick for a stock economy car.

    I think in this country, we got too used to drag racing off of the line. We drive cars, not numbers on a spec sheet.

    With the oil crunch coming up, and CO2 emissions getting out of control, it won't surprise me if we are all driving around 15 second 0-60 cars in the not so distant future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcaino View Post
    Some real improvements there over the base Impreza...but I'm really wondering about the shorter wheelbase. I get the wider track...but how did they end up with a shorter wheelbase?
    I have no clue, that had me scratching my head, maybe the higher suspension has some negative caster dialed in or something, I dunno. I'm guessing it's a difference of a few millimeters

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    I think a lot of engine technology has gone into making bigger faster cars and not better fuel efficiency. We can still have fast cars, they just can't be big...well for a little while at least.
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    Lots of good info in this thread. We own a 2002 Bugeye and I still think it's the best looking wrx ever.
    Will hate to see that car go. I think the ground clearance of the XV would be a plus for us in the Mtns. of N.C. and the occasional trip to Snow shoe WV. I agree with others that the wheels are butt ugly We test drove the 12' Impreza and found the power(CVT equiped)
    to be fine and the break at the pump made it more than worth the loss of hp.

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    I like the rims. Had I not just bought an outback sport in mid 2010 I would have gotten one of these. I paid about the same for my outback sport with the extended warranty as a cross trek would have cost me. Maybe next time? Of course next Subaru will probably have to be an outback due to family reasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackCanoeDog View Post
    If you read that, it does not say that th XV is built in Indiana. the XV and Impreza is currently built in Japan. AFAIK there are no plans to change. The one I test drove at Subaru of Muskoka had Made in Japan clearly stamped in the engine bay.
    High precision parts will never be made in the USA for obvious reasons. My Subaru Outback 2006 has Japanese engine, transmission and few other bits. The rest is American and was assembled in Indiana. Not impressed.
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    I'm not a huge fan of the wheels, either. If we end up getting one, I foresee probably using the existing set of 16" wheels (from the 02-04 Impreza's) I use for snow tires on the car, providing they fit over the brakes. Probably with a more off-roadable tire, too.
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    The Subaru XV Crosstrek is literally the car I have been waiting for from Subaru.

    Supposedly, fun to drive, regardless if on the twisty mountain passes or off-road. The ground clearance won't be winning any rock-crawling competitions, but it sure as hell would be more capable for exploring.

    Oddly enough, I'm considering a similar philosophy for my next bike, most likely a dual-sport Trek.

    Hopefully I'll have both 2 years from now.


    As for AWD systems, the modern-day Subarus have 4 different ones:


    Active AWD: automatic transmission non-turbo EJ/FB engines (60:40 F:R normal torque split, multi-plate transfer clutch)

    Continuous AWD: manual transmission (non STI) (50:50 F:R normal torque split, viscous center diff)

    VTD AWD: automatic transmission turbo engines or EZ engine (45:55 F:R normal torque split, electronic LSD? similar to DCCD in STI)

    DCCD AWD: manual transmission GC8 (22B only), GD and newer WRX STI (35:65 F:R old DCCD, 41:59 F:R new DCCD, electronic LSD)


    As for changes to the Impreza hatch to XV, I even heard that
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    Too much money for that small of a car...You can get an Outback which IS a superior vehicle to the Impreza...
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    Quote Originally Posted by mopartodd View Post
    Too much money for that small of a car...You can get an Outback which IS a superior vehicle to the Impreza...
    The Outback is a couple grand more, gets worse gas mileage, and is frankly more space than I need for my wife, myself, and our dog.

    If I had children, I'd probably go for an Outback, but the Impreza is the more practical car for us.

    Different strokes....
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    I dig the XV. It is a shame Subaru doesn't offer a more powerful n/a motor to fill the HUGE gap between the base 2.0 and the WRX. The XV with a bit more punch under the hood would be pretty fun.

    Regardless...this is the only Subaru that has me considering jumping ship from VW. May have one of these in the garage in a couple years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mopartodd View Post
    Too much money for that small of a car...You can get an Outback which IS a superior vehicle to the Impreza...
    Not everyone wants a midsize wagon, apples and oranges and all that. For what you get in an XV, it is certainly not overpriced, if you look at similarly priced CUV's, let alone nicely equipped compact cars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcaino View Post
    The Outback is a couple grand more, gets worse gas mileage, and is frankly more space than I need for my wife, myself, and our dog.

    If I had children, I'd probably go for an Outback, but the Impreza is the more practical car for us.

    Different strokes....
    This is exactly why the XV was needed.


    For the mid-size crossover shopper, the Outback was right.

    For the compact crossover shopper, the Forester fits right in.

    But for those who find the Forester and Outback too large, the XV fits the bill. Although the XV is also a compact like the Forester, it's smaller (and smaller = easier to deal with in crowded city parking).


    Some people would prefer not to get too much space. All the more power to those like me who don't need family-car space.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcaino View Post
    The Outback is a couple grand more, gets worse gas mileage, and is frankly more space than I need for my wife, myself, and our dog.

    If I had children, I'd probably go for an Outback, but the Impreza is the more practical car for us.

    Different strokes....
    Exactly. I like theXV but my next vehicle will be an outback. Will need the extra space.
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    Is it just me or did the Forester start out a lot like the XV Crosstrek before it turned into the monster it is today?
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    Was I the only one who grew up just fine in a family with small cars? We made long road trips annually in Cavalier-sized cars. I don't understand why people think a kid or two requires a big vehicle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NateHawk View Post
    Was I the only one who grew up just fine in a family with small cars? We made long road trips annually in Cavalier-sized cars. I don't understand why people think a kid or two requires a big vehicle.
    Seriously. The only thing that I will say that goes against this theory, is that if you haven't really experienced them in the past few years, modern infant and child car seats are absolutely massive. A lot of people move to midsize cars simply because they can't fit a child seat behind them (mostly taller people if we're talking modern cars of the past few years). Especially when the convertible seats are still rear facing and reclined.

    I had to give up my beloved SF Forester (which was in shockingly wonderful condition) when we found out baby # 2 was on the way, because at only 6 ft tall my seat was all the way back in that car and my knee would still be against the dash, so I could make zero concessions to a child seat behind me.

    Baby seats aside, the magical solution to not having to buy a larger car for the 3 times a year you actually need a larger car, is a cargo box for the roof. We have a Thule Atlantis and it's only like 16 cu. ft. and is amazing how much we can fit in there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NateHawk View Post
    Was I the only one who grew up just fine in a family with small cars? We made long road trips annually in Cavalier-sized cars. I don't understand why people think a kid or two requires a big vehicle.
    Bigger vehicles do tend to make long trips easier. For example...my wife, 21 month old, and I loaded up my 3-door Rabbit to head up to North GA for 4 or so days. Cargo space inside gets sucked up quickly so I end up putting quite a bit on the roof in a cargo bag (mainly the stroller and a few of my biking things). It is kind of tedious getting the bag up there, loading it, strapping it down, etc. Then when I get to the destination I have to unload and unstrap it so the empty bag doesn't flap around when I drive. Thankfully I am tall so I don't need a step stool or whatever but I can see it being a pain in the ass for shorter folks. MPG on the highway suffers quite a bit as well. I averaged around 21mpg highway cruising at or just below the speed limit.

    In the past we had done a longer road trip in my Passat wagon with way more crap. The interior swallowed it all and there was no change in fuel economy.

    Long story short...a larger vehicle does make things easier but it isn't a necessity. If you don't do a ton of long road trips then the overall advantage goes to going with the smaller car. If you are on the road a ton with your family then it may be advantageous to go with a larger car.
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    Was I the only one who grew up just fine in a family with small cars? We made long road trips annually in Cavalier-sized cars. I don't understand why people think a kid or two requires a big vehicle.
    I had to go look up dimensions on the car I grew up in (1988 Oldsmobile Ninety-Eight). That was a boat (and underpowered... 160HP? really?) back then, but now I see that that car was just about the same size (interior space) as my current car (2012 Mazdaspeed 3). I think cars, in general, have gotten rather fat in recent history for my car to be considered "midsize" yet be as big as a former "full size." We did road trips every summer in that car and we NEVER had a problem with space. I think people today think they need to bring more than they actually need when traveling. I mean my wife and I hauled all of our vacation crap and 13 cases (156 bottles) of wine back home last year in her 3 and were still not crowded....
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    Quote Originally Posted by mopartodd View Post
    Too much money for that small of a car...You can get an Outback which IS a superior vehicle to the Impreza...
    Size doesn't have much to do with quality and price. You can get big crappy cars new if you really want.

    I'd rather have smaller higher quality cars that are well designed, well built and well equipped.


    Quote Originally Posted by NateHawk View Post
    Was I the only one who grew up just fine in a family with small cars? We made long road trips annually in Cavalier-sized cars. I don't understand why people think a kid or two requires a big vehicle.
    Seriously. I hate driving big cars. I drive an F550 13,000 pound truck for work all the time. I get enough 'big' in my life.

    I can pile my wife, two kids two adult bikes, two kid bikes, and a week's worth of gear for a road trip vacation in our Audi A4 Avant wagon, and it's fine, and that was before I bought a roof box. I'm not exactly sure why folks think they need three times that cargo room for just themselves for a weekend, but some do. I guess if I were into sea kayaking or kiteboarding I might want more room.

    Some folks just grew up in Chevy Suburbans, and think that you can't do with less room than that, or something.

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    Bit larger than Impreza, probably similar to Outback but with an actual functional full length roof rail system instead of that butt ugly and totally useless piece of shiite on the Outback. Much as I love Subarus, this may have too many pluses ( including diesel) to pass up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackCanoeDog View Post
    Waiting for this...


    Bit larger than Impreza, probably similar to Outback but with an actual functional full length roof rail system instead of that butt ugly and totally useless piece of shiite on the Outback. Much as I love Subarus, this may have too many pluses ( including diesel) to pass up.

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    If they offered that in the states in 4motion TDI, i'd buy that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aircooled View Post
    I would not buy a first model year car. Too many problems. Plus, Subie's are known for head gasket issues.
    The former is outdated info by about 25 years and the latter outdated by about 10 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raymo853 View Post
    The former is outdated info by about 25 years and the latter outdated by about 10 years.
    Actually that's wrong, first year model cars are plagued with various issues. Most of the time the design is solid, but parts components from suppliers are usually at fault. New extensive accelerated lab have been a major improvement in reliability, but even today the first and second year warranty claims are usually a cars fine tuning platform. Warranty claim numbers are reviewed, the problems with the highest amount of claims take top priority. The manufacturer then investigates and usually it means going to a supplier to have them make their part a little different.

    The subuaru head gasket problem of the late 90's and early 2000's is a classic example of this. The suppliers promised this awsome new head gasket which some car companies tested and switched too. But then after a few years problems started to arise, subaru finally switched to a new composite head gasket around 2003ish which has proven much better. Subaru axed the old part and now if you go to the dealer for a new head gasket, the parts system shows the updated part.

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    I would want more real world time on the new 2.0 powerplant before I buy. Let the early adopters work out the bugs.

    The Golf/Jetta Allroad thing looks pretty cool...although it is extremely lame to even offer that in FWD.
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    The roof rails on the OB have been changed for MY 2013 and the crossbars are further apart than before. I don't use the roof rails on my OB so I could care less, but I see the problem for those who do, as the crossbars are too closely spaced together on the 2010/11/12 models.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OscarW View Post
    The roof rails on the OB have been changed for MY 2013 and the crossbars are further apart than before. I don't use the roof rails on my OB so I could care less, but I see the problem for those who do, as the crossbars are too closely spaced together on the 2010/11/12 models.
    That's only one problem with that abomination. Worse is that one cannot fit aftermarket rail grabbers which is what one needs for water sports. Carry 2 canoes and you need 72" bars, ideally widely spaced. Roof rails like what Mercedes and VW and (formerly older Subaru Outbacks) are far more versatile for this and everything else. For some one that as you say doesn't use the rack no big deal. For those like me, its a deal breaker.
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    Waiting for this...
    Is that an Allroad resurrect for the masses? If built in NA thank you I am going to pass...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackCanoeDog View Post
    That's only one problem with that abomination. Worse is that one cannot fit aftermarket rail grabbers which is what one needs for water sports. Carry 2 canoes and you need 72" bars, ideally widely spaced. Roof rails like what Mercedes and VW and (formerly older Subaru Outbacks) are far more versatile for this and everything else. For some one that as you say doesn't use the rack no big deal. For those like me, its a deal breaker.
    My mom has the previous Gen3 OB and those rails are nicer. The only thing you can do on the new OB is to take the rails of and fit, IIRC, Thule towers in their place and than fit wider cross rails on them. Subaru missed the boat with their "clever" design..
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    Quote Originally Posted by OscarW View Post
    Subaru missed the boat with their "clever" design..
    Exactly! 'Too clever by half " I think is the expression. They should try KISS.
    Oddly enough, the current Tribeca has a very nice set of roof rails!
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    Yes and the Tribeca is an outgoing model if I heard it right..For the American market SOA feels the need to make the OB look more like an SUV while in Europe the OB looks more like the VW with similar roof rails as the VW too. The OB sits also lower to the ground and has self leveling rear suspension...
    For us car nuts in the US we get the short straw...
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    Quote Originally Posted by StiHacka View Post
    Is that an Allroad resurrect for the masses? If built in NA thank you I am going to pass...
    I would guess hecho en Mexico like all the other current Jettas...unless it is on the new MKVII platform then MAYBE we will get a German made version. If memory serves the MKIV Jetta wagon was manufactured in Germany. Crossing my fingers with this new Allroad thing.
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    I agree

    I agree. The outback keeps getting bigger and bigger. I think it's gotten too big to be quite honest. If it continues to grow then the XV will be my next vehicle instead of an outback.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrNickels View Post
    I agree. The outback keeps getting bigger and bigger. I think it's gotten too big to be quite honest. If it continues to grow then the XV will be my next vehicle instead of an outback.
    It's like a half an inch shorter than the 2005-09. Granted, it is wider, and a little taller. But usually bigger = less efficient. In this case, it's bigger but more efficient and faster. The only sucky thing is yeah, the handling isn't as brisk as the 05-09. And styling, I always liked the 05-09, but the 2010 plus styling is the result of modern crash regulations, so I guess such is a modern car.

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    ... and if we just ...

    The big improvement in the new OB is the interior space, as it is much bigger inside while keeping the dimensions on the outside within inches of the previous model. The new OB just looks bigger than it is, as it actually is an inch shorter than the Gen3.
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    I would love to snatch one


    But no can do at this time!!

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    video review

    Here is a video i found that has some decent info on the Crosstrek.

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    We might be looking at one of these VX crosstrek things to replace my wifes truck in year or two.

    It'll be a nice compliment to the JK I have. The crosstrek looks like it'll be able to handle some decently bad forest service roads and it gets decent mileage for a fulltime awd system. The big issue will be if there is enough leg/head room. The previous gen Imprezas were too tight and we ended up passing on them because of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rho View Post
    We might be looking at one of these VX crosstrek things to replace my wifes truck in year or two.

    It'll be a nice compliment to the JK I have. The crosstrek looks like it'll be able to handle some decently bad forest service roads and it gets decent mileage for a fulltime awd system. The big issue will be if there is enough leg/head room. The previous gen Imprezas were too tight and we ended up passing on them because of that.
    I strongly urge you to go check out the new ones...way more room that the previous model years...
    Oh noes. I'm going to drink the Kool-Aid.

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    UPDATE...sorta

    i was in contact with our local subaru dealer and they told me they had 3 coming in, i asked them to give me a call when they came in, but apparently they arrived on a friday evening and were all gone on saturday!! Dang! looks like its gonna be harder to get ahold of one of these things than i thought! On a good note they have one they are saving back for some local car show, so i can go check it out in person, but cant test drive it or try to purchase it til after the show.

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    What state do you live in? I'm the internet sales guy for my dealer, we have like 3 in stock with another 3-4 showing up over the next two weeks. I'm in eastern PA, if you are remotely nearby, you're welcome to PM me for more info!

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    I got to test drive one yesterday with the cvt. i liked it. Plenty peppy for me, and the space was good. i like the ergonomics, the light/wiper controls are the same as my Honda. I don't think my xm skydock will fit in the car, but I've been thinking about dropping that service anyway. The handling is much better than I expected. It felt pretty sporty railing it around a roundabout. Also very quiet in the rough road situations. The seat back protectors are going to be an essential accessory for bike hauling.

    I wish there were some dirt roads around where I could have gotten a feel for that part of it, so I'll have to trust that it's pretty capable there. I like the standard seat/wiper/mirror heaters. Makes it a good winter vehicle.

    We are gonna order one and were told that lead time for orders is now 4mo because some dealers were abusing the 6wk order lead times before. 7500mi oil change intervals are nice. Engine layout is also nice. Oil filter setup is the best I've seen (minor, but after owning an 88 Toyota tercel that required getting under the car to change the oil filter I notice these things).

    My car will be paid off in April so right now I'd like to have the house sold before we order. Might be a tall order but I don't want too much on our plate at once. Moving halfway across the country is expensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XJaredX View Post
    What state do you live in? I'm the internet sales guy for my dealer, we have like 3 in stock with another 3-4 showing up over the next two weeks. I'm in eastern PA, if you are remotely nearby, you're welcome to PM me for more info!
    thanks for the offer but im in Las Vegas.

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    No problem.

    Also, for anyone who is thinking of ordering one: the wait time for factory orders is bumped up to at least 4 months now. So if you find one in stock you like, snag it!

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    I test drove one the other day. Like everyone else said it could use a little more power. Comfortable interior that makes sense. INot really nough rooom for me to sleep in the back. I didn't actually try though. It had a little stiffer/sportier suspension than what I am looking for do 300mile trips for work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XJaredX View Post
    No problem.

    Also, for anyone who is thinking of ordering one: the wait time for factory orders is bumped up to at least 4 months now. So if you find one in stock you like, snag it!
    Ugh! I hope that is not true. We test drove one today for my wife, and were told much shorter lead times. We really liked it. But no order placed yet, though.

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    Very true. Sorry. If your dealer has one in stock that isn't what you are looking for, you can ask them to trade with another dealer. There's a decent amount out there, at least in my area, that I've been doing that with success for most clients.

    Factory orders usually take 5-8 weeks. But they changed that like a week ago to 4 months, and I definitely believe that. If you were told otherwise either your salesperson didn't get the memo or he/she is being less than truthful.

    We have customers who pre ordered XV's before they were released, who are still waiting for cars. The crazy thing is we've seen identical cars to these ordered cars being delivered as stock vehicles to other stores! Its ridiculous. Their distribution system is effed- I'm not sure why, other than the company is growing so fast that they can't keep up? But that isn't an excuse for neglecting faithful customers who pre ordered without even seeing one in person.

    Anyway, this may be a no no for me as an employee to say on a public forum, but I figured it is best said so that none of you are disappointed. If your dealer doesn't want to try to dealer trade for you, try another dealer before factory ordering.

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    Thanks, XJaredX. Good info to know.

    I found two of the exact models that we are looking for within New England. We'll see what happens.

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    Hey guys, I'm new to this forum and fairly new to the mtb scene, but I actually just purchased an xv crosstrek a couple days ago from a dealer in NJ but they had to get it from another dealer so I'm waiting for the arrival of my new car! I've been looking for a car that could fit all my needs as a commuter, biker, drummer, and a good road trip car and this fit the bill! They are out there if you do your research and find one like I did! I suggest if you are ready to buy and find one that you jump on it asap because I've been seeing the crosstreks leave my local dealer within one day upon arrival! good luck to anyone else looking for one! ill be sure to post pics or answer any questions when mine comes in!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kdrchuck View Post
    I test drove one the other day. Like everyone else said it could use a little more power.
    Not like everyone else. I think it's fine. It's an economy car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StiHacka View Post
    Is that an Allroad resurrect for the masses? If built in NA thank you I am going to pass...
    Audi is bringing the Allroad back to the US, but it will be an A4 Avant, not an A6. Also, no air suspension, which was the coolest thing about the A6 Allroad.

    That said, the A4 Allroad will be like 800 pounds lighter than the A6 Allroad.



    Getting off topic here. The Allroad is probably a $45k car, compared to the Subie which is half that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NateHawk View Post
    Not like everyone else. I think it's fine. It's an economy car.
    Heh... 20 years ago, a car that went 0-60 in 9.5 seconds was considered to be pretty dang peppy. An 8 second car was considered fast.

    Now we whine if our cars don't go 0-60 in 8 seconds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XJaredX View Post
    No problem.

    Also, for anyone who is thinking of ordering one: the wait time for factory orders is bumped up to at least 4 months now. So if you find one in stock you like, snag it!
    What configurations have the huge wait time? Manual transmissions? Option packages?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pimpbot View Post
    What configurations have the huge wait time? Manual transmissions? Option packages?
    ALL of them. As far as XV's go, I mean. It's ridiculous. All Japanese-made cars (except Forester, which you can't factory order anymore for '13 due to switchover to '14 production soon) are listed at 4 month ETA, all Indiana-made stuff 3 months. Oh, BRZ's are all listed as May 2013 ETA!

    This was just announced October 25th so I have no idea how accurate it is- my hope is that the cars will show up earlier than anticipated. And again, it only affects people who special order a car. I just wanted to spread the word on here- if you see an XV you like, jump on it, unless you can wait til near springtime.

    They don't give us a reason- which lends credence to my theory that maybe they are purposely overstating the estimates, as that may be better than telling a customer "6-8 weeks" and then having it turn into 16 weeks.

    They are consistently outselling themselves at least every year since I've been selling them, so I think maybe they are at a point where they are in need of more production capabilities. The '14 Forester being built in Indiana should help that, I hope. And yes, I sell them and would gladly buy an Indiana-made Subaru. I don't know why people get all weird about that.
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    I ordered my Crosstrek just before they bumped it out to the 4 month wait time. Heard back from the salesman a few days after that and the order had been accepted and a few days later that it was approved. Now they're telling me it will be in before the end of the month but they can't give me any better info than that. I have the VON and was wondering if there's any way to use that to get more details from SOA. I had to order one because it seems to be just about impossible to get a Limited with the black interior and moonroof. Why would Subaru even consider a car like this with that light tan interior?

    Being carless SUX! I have only ridden once since my Challenger got wrecked by an oblivious woman running a stop sign at double the speed limit at the end of September

    Heh, if you need a BRZ my dealer has three of them waiting for a new home.

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    ^ your best bet is to simply ask your salesperson again. They shouldn't mind giving you an update if you ask. Ask if there's a VIN yet in addition to the VON. That's a good sign if there is

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    It should not be that hard to buy an economy car in 2012.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StiHacka View Post
    It should not be that hard to buy an economy car in 2012.
    Um, it is if the manfacturer can't keep up with demand

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    Obviously....

    Quote Originally Posted by gravitylover View Post
    Why would Subaru even consider a car like this with that light tan interior?
    ... you don't live in a place that gets a lot of sun and heat.


    I had a Scirocco with black leather interior, and it sucked every time I got in that thing, even with towels on the seats. My behind -> Those things left barbecue grill marks on my legs when I wore shorts.

    Now, my car has tan pleather, and it's a lot better, but still sometimes singes my behind. At least the pleather cleans up really easily. If I get in my car with a muddy skunk stripe from riding, I either change my clothes, or put a towel down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XJaredX View Post
    They don't give us a reason- which lends credence to my theory that maybe they are purposely overstating the estimates, as that may be better than telling a customer "6-8 weeks" and then having it turn into 16 weeks.
    my dealer told me that part of the wait time increase was because some dealers were abusing the special order and ordering a popular model themselves before the customer came in and asked for one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gravitylover View Post
    Why would Subaru even consider a car like this with that light tan interior?
    You should hear how pissed people are at Ford for NOT offering light cloth upholstery in Texas for their c-max hybrid. My wife's jeep has tan leather and while it's not as bad as black leather it will still burn your skin. And 4yrs in Texas really took its toll on the stuff. Lots of cracking on the seats and door panels, the steering wheel wrap is floppy. Heat is not friendly to leather. My Fit has some leather accents. The leather on my shift knob is falling off. Thankfully I can replace it easily.

    When we get an xv crosstrek, I am thinking of getting some high quality washable seat covers. Maybe a neoprene or something. Just because sometimes I do get wet or muddy and don't have a change of clothes with me.

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    Are not Subarus more likely so be seen in colder places with a lot of snow and ice rather than in the heat of the South?

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    Quote Originally Posted by StiHacka View Post
    Are not Subarus more likely so be seen in colder places with a lot of snow and ice rather than in the heat of the South?
    There are quite a few in my town and the nearest dealer is more than 100mi away

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