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    Greg, I just wanted to express my appreciation for your attention to aesthetics while fully intending to use this bad boy and put it to work. Who says a workhorse utility bike has to be ugly? Well done!

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    Greg,

    I picked up a piccolo to use for my daughter, any problems with your piccolo mount? I'm thinking about doing the same thing.

    I've emailed a local builder, but if I can't get through to him, any chance your local guy would be able to produce a clone? I'm assuming that he'd need a donor rack, or at least it would speed up the process..

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    Awesome Greg!

    sweet dummy!
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    I should stay off this forum. Realy makes me want a Dummy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ferrstein View Post
    I should stay off this forum. Realy makes me want a Dummy!
    you already want one.
    if you like to ride bikes, its a no brainer.
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    well, it has been a while since I have checked in on this thread...

    much is the same on the bike... just riding along the big dumb life.

    I replaced the full tray thule rack(s) for old school yakimas as they are MUCH lighter.

    I built another custom dummy for a friend who is in love with mine and she uses it tons for a "non-cyclist"

    @ferrstein - just pull the trigger - you won't regret it. troll craigslist for used, ride it until you know what you want to do to make it your own - that's what I did.

    @SlowerThenSnot - thanks fixie. Love the bike. Cannot say that enough. Might be the only one if I had to have only one. And a third surly is in progress

    @vaultbrad thanks... I thought the same thing - just because I am going to use the snot outta it doesn't mean that it has to be fugly.

    @Hand/of/Midas Thanks for the kind words.

    @Plum your reply for last as it is the longest. The piccolo is doing great... use it all the time. Kids get angry if I pick them up from school in a car on errand day(s). Uphill, downhill, seems stable and going strong. No issues. If your local guy won't do it for you, let me know. I suspect that I could put you in touch with my guy and maybe if you mail him the rack and snapdeck, he would do it all over again. PM me if you want his contact info.

    Strangest load of late was some hand me down homebrew equipment a friend gave me:



    It was a heavy load with 3 glass carboys and 2+cases of grolsch bottles...

    But it was a few weeks later that I noticed the bottles were FULL! With ~20yo homebrew...

    Such is the dummy way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregclimbs View Post

    @Plum your reply for last as it is the longest. The piccolo is doing great... use it all the time. Kids get angry if I pick them up from school in a car on errand day(s). Uphill, downhill, seems stable and going strong. No issues. If your local guy won't do it for you, let me know. I suspect that I could put you in touch with my guy and maybe if you mail him the rack and snapdeck, he would do it all over again. PM me if you want his contact info.

    -g
    Thanks for the update, I was thinking that maybe the leverage of the piccolo would put too much onto the flight deck, happy to hear that's not the case.

    I called up the local guy earlier this week, haven't heard back yet. I'll try him again, just to try and save the hassle of working out of town. If he's not available, I'll drop you a line.

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    Nice bike. Its worth more than 2/3 of my cars.

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    Leopold, I like the fork light mounts. Did you turn these out or were they purchased ?
    Got any close up pics of them ? Do you get much shadowing with the lights mounted in this location ?
    Heah, I know, Allot of questions...

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    Quote Originally Posted by LongtailJunkie View Post
    Leopold, I like the fork light mounts. Did you turn these out or were they purchased ?
    Got any close up pics of them ? Do you get much shadowing with the lights mounted in this location ?
    Heah, I know, Allot of questions...
    Sorry, not me with the fork-mounted lights. Mine (crude-looking home made jobbies brighter than those $600.00 lights you can buy) are rather boringly mounted using Marwi mounts atop my handlebars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LongtailJunkie View Post
    Leopold, I like the fork light mounts. Did you turn these out or were they purchased ?
    Got any close up pics of them ? Do you get much shadowing with the lights mounted in this location ?
    Heah, I know, Allot of questions...
    Pretty sure those are these:

    Paul Component Engineering - Gino Light Mount

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    Thanks Plum

    Looks like that's it...

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    @longtailjunkie - they are in fact gino mounts... I no longer use them as I got the dyno. while I did have them, they were nice, the lights a little underwhelming tho... I have them laying around in a bin in you are interested in them.

    @roosters - I am not sure of your point?

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    great read. gonna have to try out a dummy. my one thing is trying to put my dog on it, the trailer has been great for almost 14 years.

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    This lets you know what can be done if you have the money for it.Very well done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kdc1956 View Post
    This lets you know what can be done if you have the money for it.Very well done.
    everything takes money. as a bike rider ergonomics is what every biker thinks of. and of course the lines and such. THE FIT is everything. then comes the likes. every biker does it, change out parts. but talking about a custom build.... why mention money?

    OR, am I missing the sarcasim ... most likely I'm thinking.... trying to figure my big dummy build right now!

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    so, on the topic of $ and the cost of this bike...

    very, very little was purchased new...

    The son28 and light were new. The disc rotors were new. The chains were new...

    The eco deck - new. And the nitto "stoker" bars were new...

    Everything else (including the rohloff) were purchased used or came from other bikes. If I had to guess... I have less than $4k in the dummy. And maybe even closer to $3.5k in it.

    I have certainly got that much use out of it (and continue to).

    The best part was I winterized it recently... And by that, I mean I serviced the drivetrain.

    It's amazing the level of crap that accumulates in the bottom of you freeloaders when you drag kids around:



    It took longer to remove all the xtracycle kit off the dummy than it did to change the oil in the roholff.



    And now it is good to go for another year. I do wish that the rohloff was cheaper, as I would tell everyone to get one for anything other than a pure race bike....

    When I had it apart, I used the chance to finally add the patch that Dylan gave me...

    And I had an idea of what to do with some bike glow I won at a recent race:



    I sewed the el wire to the edges of the freeloaded with 30lb monofiliment... a slow and laborious process...

    But very happy with the results....

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregclimbs View Post
    so, on the topic of $ and the cost of this bike...

    very, very little was purchased new...

    The son28 and light were new. The disc rotors were new. The chains were new...

    The eco deck - new. And the nitto "stoker" bars were new...

    Everything else (including the rohloff) were purchased used or came from other bikes. If I had to guess... I have less than $4k in the dummy. And maybe even closer to $3.5k in it.

    I have certainly got that much use out of it (and continue to).

    The best part was I winterized it recently... And by that, I mean I serviced the drivetrain.

    It's amazing the level of crap that accumulates in the bottom of you freeloaders when you drag kids around:



    It took longer to remove all the xtracycle kit off the dummy than it did to change the oil in the roholff.



    And now it is good to go for another year. I do wish that the rohloff was cheaper, as I would tell everyone to get one for anything other than a pure race bike....

    When I had it apart, I used the chance to finally add the patch that Dylan gave me...

    And I had an idea of what to do with some bike glow I won at a recent race:



    I sewed the el wire to the edges of the freeloaded with 30lb monofiliment... a slow and laborious process...

    But very happy with the results....

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    Nice job, EL wire rocks...

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregclimbs View Post
    Big dummy desires big meat:



    Laced last night.

    Frame and parts at powdercoat, RAL5012 is the color...

    g
    From one Dummy to others; This is THE TIRE for a Dummy! They are FAST and SMOOTH and QUIET and have that nice "dance" like a Michelin rubber compound. HIGHLY reccomend! I just bought a Civia "Market rack" for the front. Super handy for throwing a backpack on or quick grocery get. Check 'em out.
    "Go that way REAL FAST, if something gets in your way... turn".

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    awesome! I am from Singapore and got my dummy 3 weeks ago. Was looking for more children friendly mods on Dummy and found this thread! Pls see my blog to see my first family ride on Dummy. Really fun ride...and when I see u and other on the forum doing super cool mods... I am very impressed! Pls keep on posting!
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    Wow! very nice bikes. I wish I had an extra cycle, but my race bike comes first when spending money on bikes
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    So sweet!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregclimbs View Post
    Is a dummy ever finished?

    Well, to start, I finally finished my piccolo attachement.
    Hi Greg,

    I have been following your Dummy 1.0 and 2.0 build and have been really impressed.

    I'm planning to add a Burley Piccolo or Kazoo to my Xtracycle.

    Because I live in Sweden it's difficult to find used parts and the Moose rack is discontinued.
    If you had to build the mount again, would you hack the new Tailwind rack or start from scratch and ask a frame builder to weld a rack?

    (tried to send a PM, but apparently I haven't posted enough - yet)

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikva View Post
    Hi Greg,

    I have been following your Dummy 1.0 and 2.0 build and have been really impressed.

    I'm planning to add a Burley Piccolo or Kazoo to my Xtracycle.

    Because I live in Sweden it's difficult to find used parts and the Moose rack is discontinued.
    If you had to build the mount again, would you hack the new Tailwind rack or start from scratch and ask a frame builder to weld a rack?

    (tried to send a PM, but apparently I haven't posted enough - yet)

    /Mikael
    they no longer make a moose rack, but they replaced it with this:

    Burley - Tailwind Rack, Black | Trailercycle

    which is compatible with the piccolo/kazoo...

    /edit/
    sorry, I read your post too fast this morning...

    yes, I would start with their rack. it ensures the mounting hardware for the rack is absolutely right.

    /edit/

    should do the trick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ocsawdust View Post
    everything takes money. as a bike rider ergonomics is what every biker thinks of. and of course the lines and such. THE FIT is everything. then comes the likes. every biker does it, change out parts. but talking about a custom build.... why mention money?

    OR, am I missing the sarcasim ... most likely I'm thinking.... trying to figure my big dummy build right now!
    Sarcasim ? was not trying to be that way at all.Was just saying that it takes a lot of money to build a BD or it the did mine anyway.You say why mention money? Because if you have no money you can't buy the parts to build it with.I have to watch my money I am retired here so evey penny counts.Anyway I hope you got your build done.They do ride nice for sure.

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    Thanx!

    A Piccolo and an extra rack is ordered. Now all I have to do is wait...

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    Been a while since 1) I have made many changes to the dummy and 2) I have posted here.

    Doesn't mean that it isn't being used daily for schlepping.

    Just not posting about it.

    Yesterday thought was a huge change (for me)... I finally was able to get the desired drop bar setup and keep the rohloff.

    Giles Berthoud makes a lovely shifter that is a four part setup that fits on drop bars.

    I got one a few weeks ago and the last pieces of the puzzle came together yesterday:





    Very happy with the result...

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    Oooooooo...

    Me likey.

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    This is such a badass thread and totally inspiring. I have a 7 month old baby girl and always been into biking and this thread has given me so many ideas to be able to plan future builds when she gets too big for other bolt on stuff to a standard frame.
    Just need to keep an eye out for a bargain frame set to start the project.
    Keep that bad boy rolling............

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    Glad you like it Will and find it helpful...

    I really, really like having the drop bars on the dummy. Options and all that.

    I started to use strava to log miles on the dummy and it is intersting in that just schleping the kids back and forth to school 4 days a week gets me an additional ~24 miles in a week.

    add to that the "commuting" (I don't really commute) grocery runs and to and fro getting around to see friends, go out etc all by bike and it is amazing what you can do without a car...

    ...I still have a car as it took me to Moab this weekend, but it is pretty much on a highway diet these days.

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    nice job living without the car as much as possible. I try to do that as much as possible, but I kayak 4 days a week sooo yea. but i bike to work then back home then load up the car with boats
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    I like the idea of the drops, but I think I'd mis the width of a flat bar for big loads, just more leverage for wiggling kids and heavy loads.

    What I'd really like to know is how you like the rohloff for the dummy? I can tell my hub set is not a long term solution, and I could see a rohloff making it into the lineup. I'm thinking i'llget another season or two out of my rear hub, then it's on to a tandem rated hub or something else. I rebuilt it and I still have a noticeable amount of freehub play..

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    hey thats a nice rig... just curious why the extracycle bags though?

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    The Rohloff on the dummy is sweet. I keep the gearing low (slightly below the allowable spec at 36x17) for hauling the kids and the Rohloff has been aces. When I hit the road solo I top out sooner than I'd like, but the dummy isn't a speed machine, so I can live with it.

    Will, the sooner you can pull the trigger, do it kids love the dummy.

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    Amazing work especially the drop bar set up. Very nice

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    This whole thread is full of win

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plum View Post
    I like the idea of the drops, but I think I'd mis the width of a flat bar for big loads, just more leverage for wiggling kids and heavy loads.

    Plum
    Have you looked at the Jeff Jones "Loop" H-bar setup? I am researching setting up my own BD, and that looks like a potentially great bar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evandy View Post
    Have you looked at the Jeff Jones "Loop" H-bar setup? I am researching setting up my own BD, and that looks like a potentially great bar.
    Agreed. The Loop bar is perfect for a Dummy. Lots of good hand positions, tons of leverage, great angle, great comfort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evandy View Post
    Have you looked at the Jeff Jones "Loop" H-bar setup? I am researching setting up my own BD, and that looks like a potentially great bar.
    Have a j-bar currently, the predecessor to the loop bars.

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    I've had my Dummy for a few months now and just discovered this thread today. Your build is incredible. I'm looking to change a few things on mine too, but I'm the furthest thing you can get from a bike mechanic. It'll all come in time.

    I love my Dummy. It's a 2004 20" frame. I'd probably do better with an 18, but the price was phenominal and I had to have it. I live near St. Louis so we don't see many of these popping up on CL or the ads. Weather is turning to winter, but riding it as much as possible until it's way too cold. I'm finding myself riding it even if I'm not running errands because it's just too much fun to ride.

    Thanks for the thread. It was really fun to watch your bikes evolve!

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    The bracket is going to a local framebuilder to tack additional support to it this weekend.

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    I have a jones loop bar on my pugsley... and might be getting another for the dummy...

    After building a full custom for a client with zee dual pot hydros on 203 ice tech rotors...

    I have brake envy. And I cannot figure a way to keep drops and zee brakes... so....

    Dummy might loose the drops in leu of loops and saints...

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    one of the mechanical to hydro converter boxes out there wouldn't work? Like the TRP Parabox?

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    all the drop bar setups currently are for super light racey brakes. not 4 pot, ceramic piston, 203 icetech rotor badassness...

    oh, and rarely have the 1700mm rear brake line needed for the dummy...

    going from the wood chipper to the loop isn't that bad

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    I came across this post yesterday and just felt I had to tell that this dummy build is just...... Really I'm speechless, and you brew too. Just wow, just awesome. I've always wanted a dummy for the commute and this just makes me want it more. You pointed and just knocked it outta the park with this thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbhammercycle View Post
    I came across this post yesterday and just felt I had to tell that this dummy build is just...... Really I'm speechless, and you brew too. Just wow, just awesome.
    And I now own a bike shop :P

    that said, we have sold more big dummies than I ever expected in the 11 months we've been open.

    Including several custom colored, custom built jobbies (full CK, XT, Zee brakes)...

    It's a big dumb life for sure.

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    Well the dummy is still going strong, so I thought I would update...

    First and foremost, the hookworms are gone and marathon 2.0s are on. Huge improvement in ride quality and speed. Really noticeable.

    Loop bar swapped for drop bars. xo trails for the bb7s because they were given to me...

    And the latest addition is just silly... but fun...

    My Racing Dummy...-photo-2-.jpg

    Other than that, just yearly rohloff oil changes and lube the chain....

    g

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