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    Not nearly as cool as the Levorg though. Levorg just says performance. Outback says...lets load up the family and go camping. Still a nice car though...don't get me wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nubster View Post
    Looks good. How will you be hauling bikes? Roof or hitch? Not at all? I might see if I can test drive an XT this weekend and see how the lower level trim fits in the budget. That would be somewhat of a compromise I guess...good power but AT which stinks...gas mileage that's not terrible...good looks...might have a winner if the price works out.
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    Honestly I like the hood scoop. It's one of my favorite things about the WRX styling. But I guess the Forrester isn't a performance vehicle so I guess they don't feel all the air getting to the intercooler is needed like it would be on the WRX.
    The XT is a performance vehicle. It has the same 0-60 and 1/4 mile as the VW GTI. It is faster than the Subaru FRS as well. They did eliminate the hood scoop but they integraded a cowl system from the grille to the underside of the hood. Obfiously a hood scoop is mor functional but my engine temps seem to be fine, even in the 90 degree weather we have already experienced down here in SoCal this year.

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    We bought a 2014 XV Crosstrek Hybrid 2 weeks ago. It's the pearl-green color.
    Traded in a 2-year Honda Fit Sport that, while practical, we could not stand- so-so mileage, excrutiatingly slow, massive reflections from dash (even w/ cover) and poor visibility due to huge A-pillar.
    The new Subie is great; tons more visibility, TONS more power, killer turning radius, AWD of course, and just as practical. Better/more upscale interior, more doo-dads, etc.. Also set up for a hidden hitch, which I had installed- looks killer. (Will post pics soon). Also has a roof rack from our Honda. (Honda Fit has absolutely ZERO provision for roof rack of any kind- so Rack Attack installer had to drill into the roof! Yikes.)

    The Crosstrek isn't fast- but it sure feels like it compared to that slug of a Honda!
    (All the good reviews of the Fit are for the 5-speed manual, which I wanted, but was unable to find at the time).

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    Quote Originally Posted by RRRoubaix View Post
    We bought a 2014 XV Crosstrek Hybrid 2 weeks ago. It's the pearl-green color.
    Traded in a 2-year Honda Fit Sport that, while practical, we could not stand- so-so mileage, excrutiatingly slow, massive reflections from dash (even w/ cover) and poor visibility due to huge A-pillar.
    The new Subie is great; tons more visibility, TONS more power, killer turning radius, AWD of course, and just as practical. Better/more upscale interior, more doo-dads, etc.. Also set up for a hidden hitch, which I had installed- looks killer. (Will post pics soon). Also has a roof rack from our Honda. (Honda Fit has absolutely ZERO provision for roof rack of any kind- so Rack Attack installer had to drill into the roof! Yikes.)

    The Crosstrek isn't fast- but it sure feels like it compared to that slug of a Honda!
    (All the good reviews of the Fit are for the 5-speed manual, which I wanted, but was unable to find at the time).
    Oh- and when I really need to go fast, I have a hugely modified 2004 WRX STi, cranking out 470- 490 hp at the crank.
    Although, I must confess, having been modified for track use in Portland, it is now relagated to street use, for which it is, well, Awful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Island20v View Post
    They did eliminate the hood scoop but they integraded a cowl system from the grille to the underside of the hood. Obfiously a hood scoop is mor functional but my engine temps seem to be fine, even in the 90 degree weather we have already experienced down here in SoCal this year.
    I'm not an auto mech., but I think that the hood scoop only cools the engine through passive heat escape (i.e., a vent when the vehicle is at a stop). When the car is in motion, the scoop only provides cooled air directly to the turbo for more rapid compression. Engine cooling is done through a standard radiator behind the grill . . . . I think
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    Quote Originally Posted by RRRoubaix View Post
    Oh- and when I really need to go fast, I have a hugely modified 2004 WRX STi, cranking out 470- 490 hp at the crank.
    Although, I must confess, having been modified for track use in Portland, it is now relagated to street use, for which it is, well, Awful.
    I currently have a 2013 wrx hatch and have contemplated a stage 2 tune + supporting mods and some suspension work (start with stiffer sways, eventually springs and struts) but am worried that its going to make the car less "driveable" for daily use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 007 View Post
    I'm not an auto mech., but I think that the hood scoop only cools the engine through passive heat escape (i.e., a vent when the vehicle is at a stop). When the car is in motion, the scoop only provides cooled air directly to the turbo for more rapid compression. Engine cooling is done through a standard radiator behind the grill . . . . I think
    Actually on the Subaru the turbo intercooler is behind the scoop. It's not an air intake nor a means to cool the engine, just the air that's entering the motor from the turbo.

    So anyways, I drove a few Subarus today. A Crosstrek, Impreza, and WRX. Of course the Impreza and Crosstrek are essentially the same car but I kinda like the styling and lift of the Crosstrek more. But the WRX...wow...what a machine. I wish the interior was a little nicer for use as a DD...but I understand the WRX is a performance car first and everything else second. I didn't buy anything today...I need time to think about it and let my brain take over and not act on pure emotion. If I did, there'd be a WRX in the driveway right now with temp tags on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nubster View Post
    Actually on the Subaru the turbo intercooler is behind the scoop. It's not an air intake nor a means to cool the engine, just the air that's entering the turbo.
    Actually, on my wrx, and every other one I've seen, the hood scoop serves the purpose of sending cooling air to both the turbo and the intercooler (which is the air charge that has heated up due to compression of the turbo), and after there, it passes around the transmission, most likely taking a bit of heat out of the engine as it passes through. When stopped though, it would always operate in reverse, with a visible heat-stream coming out of the hood. Given the fact that it's a turbo engine, it relies heavily on the intake charge being cooled, the fuel-air mixture going rich under turbo boost, and the radiator. These three things contribute greatly to controlling the temp. I did have it go into "limp mode" a few times due to excessive heat, even with a bigger intercooler to deal with the desert.

    The air going to the turbo (intake air) came from just below the hood, on the left side. An intake goes left (looking at the car head-on) into the wheel well, where there is a silencer chamber for the turbo, and then back into the engine bay and to the turbo.
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    Turbo blanket FTW. My 04 would feel like I was towing a 20ft boat till I got to 30mph+, now I have to be gentle on the throttle from a stop. We get high humidity and 90 degree+ in the summer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pebbles View Post
    Turbo blanket FTW. My 04 would feel like I was towing a 20ft boat till I got to 30mph+, now I have to be gentle on the throttle from a stop. We get high humidity and 90 degree+ in the summer.
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    Who else here drives a Subaru?

    Cold air to the intercooler is cold air to the turbo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Island20v View Post
    Cold air to the intercooler is cold air to the turbo
    I thought the intercooler held pressurized air from after the turbo?? The turbo is so hot, that it heats the air it's pressurizing, and the act of pressurizing also heats the air as well. So the intercooler is necessary to cool the air down before it goes into the engine. Denser air means more HP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neseth View Post
    I thought the intercooler held pressurized air from after the turbo?? The turbo is so hot, that it heats the air it's pressurizing, and the act of pressurizing also heats the air as well. So the intercooler is necessary to cool the air down before it goes into the engine. Denser air means more HP.
    This is correct.

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    Re: Who else here drives a Subaru?

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    I currently have a 2013 wrx hatch and have contemplated a stage 2 tune + supporting mods and some suspension work (start with stiffer sways, eventually springs and struts) but am worried that its going to make the car less "driveable" for daily use.
    If you're worried about warranty I'd understand, but otherwise all those things will drastically improve the car. My friend did an accessport, full exhaust and an intake on his dd sti and picked up a few mpg and substantial improvement in all driveability. More torque, better throttle response and no more bs bucking at light load. Mine is my daily driver so I'm keeping the engine and drive train warranty intact as I have another car to play around with.

    I have the race comp engineering sway bars on my 11 sti sedan. The only thing it dislikes a little more are sharp speed bumps but it isn't even noticeable to be honest. The benefits are very noticeable however, the car is flatter and much more crisp turning in. Should have come this way from the factory. The differential bushing inserts made a much larger difference than I would ever have guessed as well, took a lot of slack out of the drive train for sure and they were just the cheap inserts, not even the complete bushing kit, and were like $35


    Intercoolers are excellent aids in pump gas knock resistance as well. Help keep charge air temps down and prevent pre ignition detonation so the car can run more aggressive timing advance and make more torque and power as well as run a bit leaner safely.
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    Omg 1st gear at a crawl is like a mechanical bull sometimes. Drives me nuts. I didn't think that would go away with an AP.

    For now I'm under warranty and would like to keep it, so any power mods are out of the question for now. Suspension though is on the agenda.
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    Hah. Yes. My car is a second gear ordeal if I'm moving at all, it is obnoxious sometimes. To me, it seems as if they have calibrated the throttle/tps/avcs or davcs and ignition timing to make up for the drive line drag that results from all wheel drive. As if to say, we realize lots of you idiots haven't driven awd cars before so we will help smooth it out for you for acceleration. When you expect it though, it's a bit annoying! I think it lies largely in cam phasing with the avcs in wrx and davcs in sti. I'm just guessing though and have no hard facts, but the car surges in and out of off idle power without any boost, seems too aggressive for just an ignition adjustment. Mine surges ahead sometimes in first and second gear with the same exact throttle position. It clears up every time they service the car, only for a few weeks. Maybe it just hates dirty crap pump gas, but I do know the AP out of the box tune was a pretty solid improvement in low speed driveability for my friends car, and we had similar mileage, both 2011 sedans with the factory reflash and filled up at similar places. Too few variables for it not to be the ap in my opinion. Plus his car would give mine the business, so there's that, too.

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    Well, after much thought I have decided that I'm likely going to get a Crosstrek. That is unless I can squeeze a great deal out of the dealer on a WRX. I found an area dealer that has one for $25,800 which from what I can tell is a pretty good deal...but still with my trade will put payments just out of reach. If I can get them to go a little less than $25K I might be in business. Regardless...I'll be happy with the CrossTrek Limited I have picked out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nubster View Post
    It would be nice if some of these cars would just come with a big 'ol FMIC to begin with. That's usually one of the bottle necks in performance with a stock car. I mean I guess I understand kinda why they don't, but at the same time...a car like a WRX is going to get modded anyways by many people that own one. If nothing else, make it an option. I know that I wish I had one when I had my Focus ST. The IC on those are ridiculous and I know I don't get into modding enough to drop $800-1000 on a FMIC.
    I've only seen a few FMICs on the hundreds of turbo'd Subarus I've seen here in CO. BTW, a FMIC will kill spool time on the tiny stock turbos compared to a TMIC. These motors are complete dogs out of boost, or at least the old 2L/2.5L motors were.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nubster View Post
    Well, after much thought I have decided that I'm likely going to get a Crosstrek. That is unless I can squeeze a great deal out of the dealer on a WRX. I found an area dealer that has one for $25,800 which from what I can tell is a pretty good deal...but still with my trade will put payments just out of reach. If I can get them to go a little less than $25K I might be in business. Regardless...I'll be happy with the CrossTrek Limited I have picked out.
    Nice, I think you'll like the Crosstrek though you'll feed into the whole notion that American's only buy CUVs and SUVs and don't want a wagon *levorg* here in the States... Seriously though, the Crosstrek does seem like a great car. Are you going with pumpkin orange?

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    Yes, superorb has it correct.

    The other thing is that to harness a big intercooler, you of course need a bigger turbo, but your "pull" is going to start at higher and higher RPMs. This isn't crazy higher, but whereas you might make decent boost below 2500rpm, putting those big turbos that rely on lots of exhaust feeding them will require more RPMs, so you end up chasing your tail to some extent.

    I had the STI intercooler on my wrx, but even that wasn't as optimal, it lowered the peak boost the turbo could hit. It was a tradeoff due to the extremely hot temps I drove in. I did a lot of high-altitude driving as well. You can tell when you are pushing a turbo past it's volumetric efficiency. Boost drops off the higher your RPMs go. All in all, a big FMIC is a waste unless you've got the mods to support it, bigger turbo, bigger injectors (good way to fry an engine without these), better fuel pump, fuel rails, and the management that goes along with it.

    I've seen lots of FMIC STIs and WRXs. These usually have the supporting mods. If you think you want/need a FMIC, you better know what you are doing and better be dropping the money necessary for all the supporting mods. At that point, $800 for the FMIC is nothing. Other way to say it, if you are looking at a FMIC, you are probably looking at 350-400whp. You are going to drop around $10K in the engine. A stock STI makes about 235whp. You can get some dramatic quick gains with full exhaust+tune. After that, you start dumping lots of money in there. If these amounts seem expensive, then I suggest dropping the FMIC idea.

    If you want to have some fun though, look up in NASIOC and other site's threads about stuff that subaru owners have found in their hood scoops/on their TMIC, some pretty hilarious stuff.
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    This may be true on the WRX cars but with the Focus ST which is the only turbo car I have experience with...heat sink is a huge issue and the intercooler that's stock is a joke. So in that case, at mild upgrade with out a bunch of other mods does help. Of course there aren't many people that throw a FMIC on a car and nothing else. I'm sure there are, but most I see at least have a CIA and exhaust upgrade as well as some ECU tuning done as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrands View Post
    Nice, I think you'll like the Crosstrek though you'll feed into the whole notion that American's only buy CUVs and SUVs and don't want a wagon *levorg* here in the States... Seriously though, the Crosstrek does seem like a great car. Are you going with pumpkin orange?
    Yeah, but what can you do? I'm not going to not buy what's available for fear of sending the wrong message to the car makers. I'd much rather have something like a Levorg but if we don't have it when I'm ready to buy a new car, I'll have to make do with what we do have...such as the XV.

    And orange...yeah...if they have it. If not I'm wanting the silver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nubster View Post
    Yeah, but what can you do? I'm not going to not buy what's available for fear of sending the wrong message to the car makers. I'd much rather have something like a Levorg but if we don't have it when I'm ready to buy a new car, I'll have to make do with what we do have...such as the XV.

    And orange...yeah...if they have it. If not I'm wanting the silver.
    The Outback is essentially a Legacy Wagon and they sell a bunch of them, FWIW.

    The new Crosstrek color (desert khaki) is pretty sharp in person too...

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    The Outback is a grocery getter whereas the Levorg is more of a performance car aka WRX wagon.

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    Cross-posted from the "Show us your wagons" thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nubster View Post
    This may be true on the WRX cars but with the Focus ST which is the only turbo car I have experience with...heat sink is a huge issue and the intercooler that's stock is a joke. So in that case, at mild upgrade with out a bunch of other mods does help. Of course there aren't many people that throw a FMIC on a car and nothing else. I'm sure there are, but most I see at least have a CIA and exhaust upgrade as well as some ECU tuning done as well.
    I think you mean "heat soak". Heat soak is not solved just by going to a bigger intercooler though. What does significantly impact it if you are using the car for sports where it tends to keep moving is a FMIC, it simply flows air better than a TMIC, which not only has limited space, but limited airflow ability. Many cars have FMICs stock, you just can't see them because they are integrated well. They are often not huge either, like the aftermarket "intended for 350+whp" WRX/STI ones.

    Thing is that on a turbo car intakes usually don't really help, the tubing, bends, restrictions of the manifold, and so on, prevent any real gains from it. If it was sucking in air through all that tubing without a compressor wheel putting on some intake really doesn't do jack, but it seems cool. The necessity to feed it lots more air usually comes in around 400+hp at the crank, as the stock intake will flow plenty and the compressor wheel sucking it in doesn't suck any more in with a bigger intake below those HP levels.

    A tune and downpipe on the other hand, that's a significant increase usually, allowing the turbine to spin faster and the compressor to "charge" the air more.

    You'd be surprised how many people throw a FMIC on the car with no turbo (and required supporting mods) upgrade.

    Interestingly, that ford ST is probably sending significantly more power to the wheels than the WRX, due to approximately 60hp lost to the drivetrain drag with the WRX. Since it's only sending power to two wheels, the ST should do better. That was one thing that was annoying about the WRX, it was fast at slower speeds, but at higher speeds it was a dog and cars with significantly less HP could pull on it, since in reality they were sending more HP to the wheels. The other part of that which was annoying is that subaru would market their cars with sayings like "don't compare HP, look at our acceleration times and compare those!", which is really saying "our cars are weak at higher speeds, but we did 5K clutch drops and due to AWD they went fast because the wheels won't spin". I loved my wrx, so don't get me wrong, but subaru really should have gotten more serious with the power, putting the wrx at 275 and the STI at 350hp stock. This should have happened a few years back.
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    haha...yeah...heat soak. I think I was looking at parts to upgrade my computer the same time I was typing and one of those parts was a new heat sink for my cpu...lol

    Anyways...I don't know the stock hp of a WRX is at the wheels, but the ST is around 220ish and 275ish ft lbs. The stock FMIC is pretty sad. It's tiny and partly made of plastic. From what I see an upgraded one does make a significant difference but generally for most people on the ST, it comes after intake and exhaust upgrades and a tune. So honestly I don't know how much just a intercooler upgrade will help.

    As far as ST vs WRX...the WRX has tons more potential for hp though. Right now the ST is fighting to see 300hp. I see WRX's all the time with 400+hp even up close to a 1000hp. Not that it matters, the ST could never use that kinda hp. I think once people start hitting 350 hp at the wheels, that's about as much as the car will handle.

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    Well...despite my WRX lust, I'm now the proud owner of a 2014 XV Limited. I was literally in the driver seat of a WRX hatch...seconds from giving the word to start the paperwork and I had a moment of clarity (insanity maybe) and the practical side reared its ugly face and I decided on the Crosstrek instead. I'm sure without doubt that it's a better ride for the family but it sure as hell isn't a better one for me...lol...but happy about it none-the-less.

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    I have had my 2013 Crosstrek limited for a little over a year. I traded my 2011 WRX sedan for the XV with the goal of getting a more conservative vehicle with better fuel economy and greater ground clearance for getting out of my steep drive in deep snow conditions. In retrospect over the past year (and a couple of winters worth of driving) I can report that the XV has delivered on all of those aforementioned expectations, and it may be one of the most sure-footed vehicles I have ever owned. Unfortunately whenever I drive the XV I think "wow, this car has no personality", and that effectively cancels out all of the other good things about the car. At the end of the day for me personally, the XV is just not a fun car to drive and that's a big problem. I realize that the XV has a strong following of loyal owners, but if it were me I would take the WRX back in a heartbeat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smorris View Post
    Cross-posted from the "Show us your wagons" thread.

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    Nice wagons !! I checked out your toys link and that 58 MGA is the deal! I have a friend that I think still has an old MGA coupe sitting in his dads barn and always loved the body lines of the MGA, such a nice car.

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    Good thing for me is I've never had a WRX...so I don't know what I'm missing...well, sorta...I did have a Focus ST and that thing was a blast. I just hope it was long enough ago that I kinda forget how it was to drive it so I'm not comparing the two everytime I drive my XV. If the WRX got even slightly better mpg...I probably would have gotten it today. I thought since this will be a family car so to speak...they probably don't want the drone of that sweetass exhaust during all the trips to town and when we go on outings...even though I'd be in heaven. The ride quality seemed to be ok enough during a test drive but in the end it was the economy that sealed the deal to go with the XV over the WRX.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nubster View Post
    Good thing for me is I've never had a WRX...so I don't know what I'm missing...well, sorta...I did have a Focus ST and that thing was a blast. I just hope it was long enough ago that I kinda forget how it was to drive it so I'm not comparing the two everytime I drive my XV.
    You are right and the XV is a great vehicle as long as you are not trying to apply unreasonable expectations to it. My issues with the car are really "My Issues" and not the cars fault. But...for any gear heads out there thinking about that jump to the XV I would say buyer beware.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nubster View Post
    Well...despite my WRX lust, I'm now the proud owner of a 2014 XV Limited. I was literally in the driver seat of a WRX hatch...seconds from giving the word to start the paperwork and I had a moment of clarity (insanity maybe) and the practical side reared its ugly face and I decided on the Crosstrek instead. I'm sure without doubt that it's a better ride for the family but it sure as hell isn't a better one for me...lol...but happy about it none-the-less.
    Pics or it didn't happen Congrats, happy miles with your Crosstrek. What color did you go with and did you go with the CVT or manual?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrands View Post
    Pics or it didn't happen Congrats, happy miles with your Crosstrek. What color did you go with and did you go with the CVT or manual?
    Silver with CVT. I got the limited which only has the CVT. I like it even though I usually prefer manual. This car has enough power to get around without too much effort but I do think that with the manual where I live, I'd be constantly shifting up and down to keep it in the power band on the mountains.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N10S View Post
    You are right and the XV is a great vehicle as long as you are not trying to apply unreasonable expectations to it. My issues with the car are really "My Issues" and not the cars fault. But...for any gear heads out there thinking about that jump to the XV I would say buyer beware.
    I hear ya. Yeah, it's not a speedster or a performance car by far. It's a solid compact family car with some great off road ability. I researched the hell out of it so I'm hoping there won't be any surprises. I can imagine coming from a WRX to the XV would be pretty blah though. It would be a cool ride for the Jeep type crowd looking to downgrade from Jeeps or other slightly more serious off road type vehicles. Throw a lift, under belly armor, and some aggressive off road tires on the XV and I think you could have a lot of fun with it. It could probably benefit from a snorkel too...lol

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    Nubster, very sharp. Keep us updated on how you're liking it. You got rid of a Dodge Ram 1500? I will be in the same situation, going from a Dodge Ram 1500 to something 'compact'. My reasoning is, that I plan on retiring in about 4 years and ready to downsize - I just don't need that big of a vehicle and plus the cost of gas is just on the raise.

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    Actually my g/f took the Ram and we traded her Xterra on the XV. She wanted a truck, I wanted a car. Worked out perfect for both of us. She has a 3 mile commute to her work and the agreement was the XV gets used for family stuff since we got rid of the Xterra. I have a work vehicle so I have no commute.

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    Congrats on the new car. She's a beaut. Is that the 2014?
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    Yup.

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    I am seriously considering buying a 2015 WRX - does anybody know how painful it will be to put a hitch on it (if possible at all) ? Don't want any roof or trunk racks...

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    A hitch can pretty much be installed on anything. Why no roof rack? Unless you are short, they are pretty easy and cost a lot less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Island20v View Post
    A hitch can pretty much be installed on anything. Why no roof rack? Unless you are short, they are pretty easy and cost a lot less.
    If by "a lot less" you mean that the cost of crossbars and trays is about the same as a receiver+rack and that in about 2 years the "hitch rack" will save as much gas as it cost to buy the hitch rack in the first place, then yes, "a lot less"...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    If by "a lot less" you mean that the cost of crossbars and trays is about the same as a receiver+rack and that in about 2 years the "hitch rack" will save as much gas as it cost to buy the hitch rack in the first place, then yes, "a lot less"...
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    I have almost $800 invested in my Yakima roof rack:

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    1x 44" fairing = $75
    6x lock cores = $75

    Compared to a Curt hitch and 1-up:

    Curt Hitch = $125 (self installed; free delivery)
    1-Up 2 Bike tray = $530

    With 1 bike on the roof, I take about a 4mpg hit - that adds up quick on long runs. I'll be selling my roof system for a hitch very soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Island20v View Post
    A hitch can pretty much be installed on anything. Why no roof rack? Unless you are short, they are pretty easy and cost a lot less.
    Already have two hitch racks and really don't like the idea of having bike on a roof of the car - I am 5'10" would probably be fine, just pretty sure that sooner or later will drive into the garage with bikes on the roof... Also fuel economy, ease of installation or having to live with permanently installed crossbars (that can actually make this car look better ;-) since it's pretty ugly)

    Currently have Curt hitch on Mazda 3 that's barely visible looking at the aft end of the car and would like something similar for the WRX - hate those aftermarket hitches on SUVs or minivan where you can see the whole structure...

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    I only lost 1 mpg with a roof rack.

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    There's no doubt that you will take a hit on MPG's with a roof rack. So far for me it's been negligible. Still getting 30mpg in the city which is 3x what I was getting on my truck.

    One thing is for sure. Roof racks are not cheaper than hitch ones. I guess you are paying more for the technology but I like the sporty look. I would highly recommend the faring especially if you have a sun roof. It cut down the noise significantly.
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    Empty roof rack on my XV knocks about 3mpg off, put two bikes up there and I take a 6-8mpg hit. No bueno... I also need to keep a stool in the car so I can reach up there safely and not drop bikes on my head.

    If my bikes get trashed in a rear ender the other guy will be buying me new ones anyway. Unless I need to move all four bikes for a family ride I use the hitch rack.

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