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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilikebmx999 View Post
    I don't know why people would even bother wasting time doing it IN the car. Sounds like a nightmare.

    I just put an engine in my boss's car earlier in the week. I'm getting disturbingly quick at it all by myself lol. Took 40 minutes from it sitting on a stand to being bolted to the trans.
    I did my head gaskets with the engine still in the car and fully bolted to the engine mounts still. It is a nightmare, but that was the only way. My reason is lack of space. I don't have room in my garage to maneuver a cherry picker into place.

    I'm hoping your boss took you out for a few beers for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zuarte View Post
    I did my head gaskets with the engine still in the car and fully bolted to the engine mounts still. It is a nightmare, but that was the only way. My reason is lack of space. I don't have room in my garage to maneuver a cherry picker into place.

    I'm hoping your boss took you out for a few beers for that.
    Sohc or dohc? I know sohc you can leave the cams in to get to the head bolts but I've never actually done it on one. I've only worked on turbo cars.

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    edit - deleted for double post. Don't know why it did that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OscarW View Post
    My Subaru OB 3.6 has a 5 speed automatic, and I get 30 MPG on the highway @ 70 MPH...
    Is that on a 4th gen OB? I haven't looked into them much, but I thought they only had a manual or a CVT. That's awesome mileage for a 6 cyl. My 2nd gen 2.5 manages 27.5 mpg at best, and that's with trying to get the best mileage.

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    Yes, that is a 2011 OB. In the city my milage isn't great, but still better than my truck did on the highway.
    I drive between the Keys and Ft Lauderdale a lot and that has kept my average mileage at around 27.6 city/highway and towing my boat for over 40K miles..I am quite happy with those results. My only gripe with the car are the crummy OEM tires..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilikebmx999 View Post
    Sohc or dohc? I know sohc you can leave the cams in to get to the head bolts but I've never actually done it on one. I've only worked on turbo cars.
    It's a SOHC. If it was a DOHC, I don't think I would have had the will to do it myself, what with taking 4 cam shafts out and messing with valve shims, etc. Somebody on the Outback forums did a head gasket job on a DOHC while in car, and wrote an illustrated tutorial. So much easier with a SOHC, however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zuarte View Post
    Is that on a 4th gen OB? I haven't looked into them much, but I thought they only had a manual or a CVT. That's awesome mileage for a 6 cyl. My 2nd gen 2.5 manages 27.5 mpg at best, and that's with trying to get the best mileage.
    Yeah, that is pretty good. My 3rd gen. wont even get 27mpg, at least not at freeway speeds. Kinda wishing I'd gone 4th gen ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zuarte View Post
    I did my head gaskets with the engine still in the car and fully bolted to the engine mounts still. It is a nightmare, but that was the only way. My reason is lack of space. I don't have room in my garage to maneuver a cherry picker into place.

    I'm hoping your boss took you out for a few beers for that.
    Ahhh, hoping I don't have to become familiar with this process. I've been noticing a coolant smell on occasion on my '07 w/ 53k miles, and it was pretty low on coolant when I checked this weekend -- well below the add line (could see about an inch of coolant in the bottle when warm, nothing in the bottle when cold and not driven for 2 days). No visible leaking under the car, and the exhaust doesn't smell of coolant or appear to have visible steam, so hopefully it is just inadvertence and very slow burnoff, although I haven't had a car that used a bit of coolant for about 10 yrs now. I've only had the car since Oct. 1st, and really never closely checked it before.

    I filled it back up yesterday and will be tracking closely. We'll see what happens ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tystevens View Post
    Ahhh, hoping I don't have to become familiar with this process. I've been noticing a coolant smell on occasion on my '07 w/ 53k miles, and it was pretty low on coolant when I checked this weekend -- well below the add line (could see about an inch of coolant in the bottle when warm, nothing in the bottle when cold and not driven for 2 days). No visible leaking under the car, and the exhaust doesn't smell of coolant or appear to have visible steam, so hopefully it is just inadvertence and very slow burnoff, although I haven't had a car that used a bit of coolant for about 10 yrs now. I've only had the car since Oct. 1st, and really never closely checked it before.

    I filled it back up yesterday and will be tracking closely. We'll see what happens ...
    I frequent the subaruoutback.org forums, and the consensus by the more experienced wrenchers on there is that the 2.5L SOHC engine can be nursed along for many many miles with a small coolant leak. But once you suspect it might have one, you must be very vigilant on checking that the car has enough coolant. Overheating should be avoided as much as possible with Subes.

    Try this: Once the car is up to operating temperature, look in your coolant bottle and see if there are bubbles coming up through the liquid. If there are, you have an internal leak, where the coolant is mixing with the combustion cycle. You mentioned not being able to smell coolant in the exhaust, but look in the bottle to be sure. If there are no bubbles, but you're still loosing a lot of coolant, you could have an external leak to the outside of the engine. This latter kind is not as urgent as the former.

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    I got a coolant leak, because I re-installed the coolant hose just slightly wrong, and the belt cut into it. It wouldn't leak all the time, only when I pushed it and at odd times. It was hard to track, until I found it actually spurting. Easy fix, and it was totally my fault. It had to be positioned "just right" to not rub.
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    oem radiators are known to crack at the plastic end-tanks. I had the smell and wasn't able to find the crack until the car was a operating temp.

    I replaced mine with a Mishimoto and it was about an hour job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zuarte View Post
    I frequent the subaruoutback.org forums, and the consensus by the more experienced wrenchers on there is that the 2.5L SOHC engine can be nursed along for many many miles with a small coolant leak. But once you suspect it might have one, you must be very vigilant on checking that the car has enough coolant. Overheating should be avoided as much as possible with Subes.

    Try this: Once the car is up to operating temperature, look in your coolant bottle and see if there are bubbles coming up through the liquid. If there are, you have an internal leak, where the coolant is mixing with the combustion cycle. You mentioned not being able to smell coolant in the exhaust, but look in the bottle to be sure. If there are no bubbles, but you're still loosing a lot of coolant, you could have an external leak to the outside of the engine. This latter kind is not as urgent as the former.
    Thanks for the tips. Yeah, I'll be checking it frequently now, that is for sure. I put in some OEM coolant mixed w/ the Subaru stop-leak the other day, we'll see what happens.
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    loving my 2012 wrx, still cant decide on which roof rack setup to get, thule, yakima, or oem... anyone have any recommendations?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tystevens View Post
    Thanks for the tips. Yeah, I'll be checking it frequently now, that is for sure. I put in some OEM coolant mixed w/ the Subaru stop-leak the other day, we'll see what happens.
    When I had my '01 Forester (I work for a Subaru dealer, in sales), we put the Subaru coolant conditioner in after noticing a small leak from the gaskets, and it clotted and I drove it just fine for close to a year before replacing the gaskets. Good luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nyrangerfan222 View Post
    loving my 2012 wrx, still cant decide on which roof rack setup to get, thule, yakima, or oem... anyone have any recommendations?
    Yakima Control Towers + Round bars + 42" fairing is a great setup. I JUST went through this debate and this is what I ended up with. I know a lot of folks like the OEM setup, but to me its kinda hideous looking and without a fairing, its worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nyrangerfan222 View Post
    loving my 2012 wrx, still cant decide on which roof rack setup to get, thule, yakima, or oem... anyone have any recommendations?
    Well, it looks nice and clean like that! I sure wouldn't want to mess that up, so I'd go hitch, ever day and sunday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    Well, it looks nice and clean like that! I sure wouldn't want to mess that up, so I'd go hitch, ever day and sunday.
    Gotta cut the bumper to do that on the current gen hatches. I'd much prefer a hitch as well, but I am not into cutting up my brand new car . . .
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    I had to cut a bit of mine on my MY04 for a hitch as well. Worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilikebmx999 View Post
    I had to cut a bit of mine on my MY04 for a hitch as well. Worth it.
    I'm sure I eventually will too, but for now I'm going to deal with the roof rack.
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    Loved my 2007 WRX STi. But totaled it and upgraded to 325hp Audi allroad quattro, with Twin-Turbo V6. Love the Boxer - but the Audi 2.7T and quattro AWD is simply unbeatable....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zachariah View Post
    Loved my 2007 WRX STi. But totaled it and upgraded to 325hp Audi allroad quattro, with Twin-Turbo V6. Love the Boxer - but the Audi 2.7T and quattro AWD is simply unbeatable....
    If there was ever a less reliable car then a turbo subaru you sure found it ahaha


    They do look awesome though and being able to adjust ride height is sweet too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilikebmx999 View Post
    If there was ever a less reliable car then a turbo subaru you sure found it ahaha


    They do look awesome though and being able to adjust ride height is sweet too
    Very true. I used to rebuild Porsche engines and I love wrenching. I have a Stage 3 tune planned for the Audi.....shooting for 400awhp!
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    I've read/heard once you replace those stock turbos with something good the engine is good to go. They still have their electrical gremlins

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    I modified the "sport works" roof rack (adapted from a hitch rack) to carry the fat bike, works great.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    Well, it looks nice and clean like that! I sure wouldn't want to mess that up, so I'd go hitch, ever day and sunday.
    Thanks man, I've tossed around the hitch idea as well. I've been throwing the bike inside for the past year because I haven't been able to decide on which to go with hitch vs roof (Thule vs Yakima is another headache in itself). The hitch I didn't want to cut bumper plus didn't want Subaru to try and use that against me in any potential warranty coverage being that they don't recommend hitches/towing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by nyrangerfan222 View Post
    Thanks man, I've tossed around the hitch idea as well. I've been throwing the bike inside for the past year because I haven't been able to decide on which to go with hitch vs roof (Thule vs Yakima is another headache in itself). The hitch I didn't want to cut bumper plus didn't want Subaru to try and use that against me in any potential warranty coverage being that they don't recommend hitches/towing.


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    Subaru, or any other manufacturer, can't deny warranty claims because of the hitch you installed unless you rip the frame rails out when you attempt to tow a 10K# trailer. The Moss Magnussen act prevents this. The same law prevents the manufacturers from denying warranty claims because you do your own maintenance. Just KEEP all the receipts!!!
    I have a 4000# rated, 2" hitch on my OB and now my dealer is installing them too, as the factory hitch sucks and is overpriced. If you just have a hitch to put a bike-rack on you should be fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nyrangerfan222 View Post
    loving my 2012 wrx, still cant decide on which roof rack setup to get, thule, yakima, or oem... anyone have any recommendations?


    IMG_0328-1 by nyrangerfan222, on Flickr
    I got a hitch rack on mine (2012 WRX Sedan) with a 1-Up rack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flipnidaho View Post
    I got a hitch rack on mine (2012 WRX Sedan) with a 1-Up rack.
    Yeah, but on the hatch, it requires a "bumper modification" that I don't think you have to do on the sedan. Your setup is pretty sweet though, thats for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gtiboy87 View Post
    Time to update your screen name . . .
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    ^ lol I still have my GTI and i am also on golfmkv forum. HOWEVER, the GTI is under the knife for the 3rd time now. Last build and its staying as a track car.

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    I always liked VW's but compared to the WRX, it was more money up front to get into one . . . plus I had to have AWD when I lived in MI, and since the first Subie, I'm hooked . . . on my 3rd one now.
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    I'm very interested in a BRZ when the STi version comes out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    I'm very interested in a BRZ when the STi version comes out?
    Bentley not cuttin' it any more

    Yeah, you and the rest of the Subaru/Toyota cult following! If I know one thing though, its do NOT buy the 1st gen of ANYTHING Subaru . . . as is, its a FUN car to drive, but its really underpowered IMO. Adding some forced induction would do WONDERS for the thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OO7 View Post
    Bentley not cuttin' it any more

    Yeah, you and the rest of the Subaru/Toyota cult following! If I know one thing though, its do NOT buy the 1st gen of ANYTHING Subaru . . . as is, its a FUN car to drive, but its really underpowered IMO. Adding some forced induction would do WONDERS for the thing.
    Yeah, that thing was a gas hog! Do you mean a generation or a year? I can wait an extra year, not sure about a generation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gtiboy87 View Post
    ^ lol I still have my GTI and i am also on golfmkv forum. HOWEVER, the GTI is under the knife for the 3rd time now. Last build and its staying as a track car.
    Traded my white '08 autobahn package MKV GTI last year for a 2011 WRX. It was my 6th GTI not counting a Mk IV R32, and this is my 3rd turbo Subaru. Love German cars and considered a Golf R, but the bang for the buck of the base WRX is hard to beat for a no frills performance car. I bet if you took a poll you would find that many WRX and Sti owners have previously owned GTI's (probably the inverse is true too).

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    I def love my WRX and the GTI is sitting in my garage apart. It is a dedicated road car (track) 6pt cage, two kirkey seats, harness, entire back is gutted etc... I have all original receipts of parts for the gti on its last full build totaling 15K. If i had to do it all over, i would choose the wrx and dump the same amount of money in to that car. I would have a track MONSTER! The gti is equipped with an APR stg3 set-up and was one of the first in the US to have the kit back in 2008. I am debating my next build for that car and what direction i want to move in. I have two local friends that both have red mkv gti's running 600+ fwhp dedicated drag usuage. I rode in the one and it is just plain scary. We did a 3rd gear pull and did not reach traction until 120 mph, SWEAR TO GOD. My two friends have done some AMAZING things with those two cars and doing so all on their OWN out of a simple house garage. Granted my one friend works as an engineer for a reputable company and his family/dad used to build drag cars at a professional level (not really sure on the total history of that) and both have some brains lol They have been knocked by various tuning groups for lying about their power outputs etc... I can verify personally lol There is no lying or BS, but neither care about what other shops say. Some of the shops get on the forums and try to knock them, but the proof is all right there lol ANYWAY, Gf uses my tundra for work. Currently looking for an automatic wrx for her. I tried teaching her how to drive manual, but i would feel more comfortable with her being in something automatic, that she is comfortable driving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    Yeah, that thing was a gas hog! Do you mean a generation or a year? I can wait an extra year, not sure about a generation.
    Just a model year . . . give em' a year to work out all the bugs. Though from what I hear, the BRZs don't have many known quirks. This could be a reflection of the fact that only a few thousand cars were sold stateside though.

    Rumor has it the STI BRZ might be available late 2013 as a 2014MY. If that's the case, I'd wait until late 2014 to get a 2015MY. Just my .02.
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    If the car can't hook up until 120 then they obviously spent their money in the wrong places. All that power is useless if you can't put it to the ground.


    .....also roll racing is for people who can't drive

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    Quote Originally Posted by gtiboy87 View Post
    I def love my WRX and the GTI is sitting in my garage apart. It is a dedicated road car (track) 6pt cage, two kirkey seats, harness, entire back is gutted etc... I have all original receipts of parts for the gti on its last full build totaling 15K. If i had to do it all over, i would choose the wrx and dump the same amount of money in to that car. I would have a track MONSTER! The gti is equipped with an APR stg3 set-up and was one of the first in the US to have the kit back in 2008. I am debating my next build for that car and what direction i want to move in. I have two local friends that both have red mkv gti's running 600+ fwhp dedicated drag usuage. I rode in the one and it is just plain scary. We did a 3rd gear pull and did not reach traction until 120 mph, SWEAR TO GOD. My two friends have done some AMAZING things with those two cars and doing so all on their OWN out of a simple house garage. Granted my one friend works as an engineer for a reputable company and his family/dad used to build drag cars at a professional level (not really sure on the total history of that) and both have some brains lol They have been knocked by various tuning groups for lying about their power outputs etc... I can verify personally lol There is no lying or BS, but neither care about what other shops say. Some of the shops get on the forums and try to knock them, but the proof is all right there lol ANYWAY, Gf uses my tundra for work. Currently looking for an automatic wrx for her. I tried teaching her how to drive manual, but i would feel more comfortable with her being in something automatic, that she is comfortable driving.
    Consider a 2004/2005 Forester XT with auto? I saw a nice 2005 the other day at a dealer with auto. I had a 2005 mt5 FXT and had all of the STI parts on it. That is one great all-rounder vehicle that can haul bikes inside and out and be a really great sleeper performance-wise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OO7 View Post
    Just a model year . . . give em' a year to work out all the bugs. Though from what I hear, the BRZs don't have many known quirks. This could be a reflection of the fact that only a few thousand cars were sold stateside though.

    Rumor has it the STI BRZ might be available late 2013 as a 2014MY. If that's the case, I'd wait until late 2014 to get a 2015MY. Just my .02.
    That's about the time I want to buy something new. I going to have a hard time picking a color with this car. It's weird, I like the traditional Subaru blue with gold wheels. But I'm not a lover of blue cars or really, blue anything. But, I really like white or black with black wheels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N10S View Post
    Consider a 2004/2005 Forester XT with auto? I saw a nice 2005 the other day at a dealer with auto. I had a 2005 mt5 FXT and had all of the STI parts on it. That is one great all-rounder vehicle that can haul bikes inside and out and be a really great sleeper performance-wise.
    Or better yet, get a current gen FXT. I had a 2010 Forester XT and LOVED the thing. It was amply large enough for bikes, had the same drivetrain as a WRX (the previous gen @ 224HP) and came with a 4EAT. Wasn't the fastest thing around, but it definitely held its own against the other soccer moms
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    That's about the time I want to buy something new. I going to have a hard time picking a color with this car. It's weird, I like the traditional Subaru blue with gold wheels. But I'm not a lover of blue cars or really, blue anything. But, I really like white or black with black wheels.
    WRB FTW

    The Satin White Pearl, however, is an AWESOME color. I would have gotten that, but my Forester was that color and I just couldn't have the same color car twice. Whatever you get though, be damn sure to get the door cups clearbra'd . . . trust me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OO7 View Post
    WRB FTW

    The Satin White Pearl, however, is an AWESOME color. I would have gotten that, but my Forester was that color and I just couldn't have the same color car twice. Whatever you get though, be damn sure to get the door cups clearbra'd . . . trust me.
    You mean inside the door handles?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    You mean inside the door handles?
    Yeah . . . I had a dark grey metallic WRX (another great color) and a satin white pearl Forester each for 3 years and on both of them, inside the door cups (concave surface behind the handles) were super scratched and very noticeable. So on the current WRX, I had 3M clearbra applied (worked a deal to get it done for free when I had my windows tinted).
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    From now on I will avoit the 4EAT like the plague. Gears are so far spaced out with a non-turbo the thing is a dog and is always hunting when driving in the mountains.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superorb View Post
    From now on I will avoit the 4EAT like the plague. Gears are so far spaced out with a non-turbo the thing is a dog and is always hunting when driving in the mountains.
    It has a manual mode as well...YMMV though..
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