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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve71
    The 04 & 05 forester had the 2.5 from the STI and makes peak Torque at 3500rpm. Of course just about any car will benefit from a hard launch, 350Z included, but a reasonably casual launch in the FXT (under 2,000 rpm) will have you pinned to your seat.

    I'm sure the 350Z will make good at higher speed, but the FXT is still quicker in the 1/4 mile (at over 90MPH). AWD or not I'd hardly call a high 13's car "not that fast".

    The 350z is a much nicer car in so many ways and if I lived back in Australia and didn't have a baby on the way, I wouldn't even give the FXT a second look. I prefer a naturally aspirated RWD car, but not when driving at 5,000-11,000 feet in all kinds of weather. Remember that a naturally aspirated car looses 3% of it HP for every 1,000ft of altitude. A turbo looses some power as well, but not as much.

    The forester is a good car with some get up and go, but it's no Z and that commercial/advertisement was pretty misleading due to the 0-60 acceleration requiring a clutch slip, but that's a known thing with subarus. WRXs are easily beat as well with cars that have more power, but rarely "off the line".


    However there is no denying that while the FXT is no super car, it has incredible real world performance for a stock "SUV" and it's power is very accessible.
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    Not according to all the information I can find, Zs can do 13.6 or so stock, foresters are 14 or above for the 1/4 mile. ???

    There's also the issue of the huge driveline losses you have with AWD, around 60hp for the stock vehicles, the nissan Z and other cars that aren't powering all wheels retain a lot more horsepower, in fact vehicles with less hp than the forester and wrx can give it a run for it's money in a straight line, and sometimes in turns as well due to the soft suspension on the newer subies, although it depends then on the surface and other factors where awd might be better. Check out a mazda MS3 if you want to see something that's quite a bit faster. No awd is a dissapointer, but the thing can easily dust any forester or wrx in stock trim, even give an sti a run for the money, but the sti is a better vehicle in many ways such as brakes and handling.

    The forester xt is a car that has some get up and go, but the adds are kind of misleading and a Z will smoke it in most situations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem
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    Not according to all the information I can find, Zs can do 13.6 or so stock, foresters are 14 or above for the 1/4 mile. ???

    There's also the issue of the huge driveline losses you have with AWD, around 60hp for the stock vehicles, the nissan Z and other cars that aren't powering all wheels retain a lot more horsepower, in fact vehicles with less hp than the forester and wrx can give it a run for it's money in a straight line, and sometimes in turns as well due to the soft suspension on the newer subies, although it depends then on the surface and other factors where awd might be better. Check out a mazda MS3 if you want to see something that's quite a bit faster. No awd is a dissapointer, but the thing can easily dust any forester or wrx in stock trim, even give an sti a run for the money, but the sti is a better vehicle in many ways such as brakes and handling.

    The forester xt is a car that has some get up and go, but the adds are kind of misleading and a Z will smoke it in most situations.
    The 04' & 05' FXT's have very short gearing, which they changed in 06 onward to improve gas millage. The 04 FXT's were also underrated by about 30hp. Car and driver had it 13.8 in the 1/4, the 06+ XT's can't match that time though, so maybe that's what your thinking of.

    Anyway, here are the numbers recorded at http://www.albeedigital.com/supercou...0-60times.html

    2004 Nissan 350z Roadster 5.7 14.3
    2004 Nissan 350Z 5.3 13.77 (M.T. Mar '04)
    2005 Nissan 350Z 35th Anniversary Edition 6 Speed 5.8 14.3 (C&D Apr '05)

    2004 Subaru Forester 2.5 XT, Turbo 5.3 13.8 (C&D Aug '03)
    2007 Subaru Forester 2.5XT 5.9 14.3 (C&D Online)

    At altitude, the FXT is going to do even better relative to the 350Z. Throw in some real world Colorado conditions like gravel, crappy Denver roads, rain/snow...

    Stock for stock I'm sure the 350Z will eat the FXT alive on a track or autocross. The 350Z will out brake, out turn and out handle the FXT. My wifes other car is 96 Mazda Miata with upgraded sway bars, brake pads and Falken Azenis tires (close to race rubber) so I know first hand what a nice light weight RWD car do at an autocross.

    However in the end the numbers mean nothing unless the car is fun to drive in your typical day to day conditions.

    {edit} sorry to the OP for the thread jack... at least we're still talking about Subarus, right!?
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    Lets just settle this right here and right now.

    Someone who owns a Z go throw 3 mountain bikes in the back of it.

    Now, someone here with a Forester do the same.

    'nuff said

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve71

    2004 Subaru Forester 2.5 XT, Turbo 5.3 13.8 (C&D Aug '03)
    2007 Subaru Forester 2.5XT 5.9 14.3 (C&D Online)

    At altitude, the FXT is going to do even better relative to the 350Z. Throw in some real world Colorado conditions like gravel, crappy Denver roads, rain/snow...
    The limited number of data points means that data is useless, sorry.

    At altitude, I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but you drop a pretty good amount of power as you get higher, it's not like our turbocharged airplanes that maintain sea-level power untill a certain altitude, they drop off just like everything else, and with similer turbos and settings it's going to drop off an inch of so for every thousand feet. Otherwise, your turbo would be working "harder" up at altitude than it does at sea level. People don't really want that because if your turbo can then do "it" at altitude, then it can do "more" at a lower altitude. In the airplane-world, we use turbos to maintain sea-level power up to something called a "critical altitude", which could be up at 15,000' or something, allowing the aircraft to cruise up to 20,000 or more with a piston engine. In this case, we work the turbos "harder" at higher altitude, but the entire system isn't designed to deliver more than sea-level power.

    Again, an FXT is a nice vehicle with some get up and go, but it does so due to the AWD and being able to deliver that power with no spin. That "sti" engine doesn't mean that much as it's only .5l bigger than a 2.0 and it's the turbo that is really the heart of the car. Low boost=low hp, not that it's a good idea to always build huge boost. You can pump up an FXR or any other car to go "real fast", but again to equal a car with better brakes and handling and such then requires an almost endless amount of mods.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem
    The limited number of data points means that data is useless, sorry.

    At altitude, I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but you drop a pretty good amount of power as you get higher, it's not like our turbocharged airplanes that maintain sea-level power untill a certain altitude, they drop off just like everything else, and with similer turbos and settings it's going to drop off an inch of so for every thousand feet. Otherwise, your turbo would be working "harder" up at altitude than it does at sea level. People don't really want that because if your turbo can then do "it" at altitude, then it can do "more" at a lower altitude. In the airplane-world, we use turbos to maintain sea-level power up to something called a "critical altitude", which could be up at 15,000' or something, allowing the aircraft to cruise up to 20,000 or more with a piston engine. In this case, we work the turbos "harder" at higher altitude, but the entire system isn't designed to deliver more than sea-level power.

    Again, an FXT is a nice vehicle with some get up and go, but it does so due to the AWD and being able to deliver that power with no spin. That "sti" engine doesn't mean that much as it's only .5l bigger than a 2.0 and it's the turbo that is really the heart of the car. Low boost=low hp, not that it's a good idea to always build huge boost. You can pump up an FXR or any other car to go "real fast", but again to equal a car with better brakes and handling and such then requires an almost endless amount of mods.
    Useless? I think most people would agree that the one data point that counts is, who crossed the line first, and if 1/4 mile times from a reputable publication (Car and Driver) doesn't count, then I don't know what does. Sure it doesn't tell the whole story on a car, but the FACT is in 2004, the FXT out ran the 350z in the 1/4 mile (up to 97MPH). Of course we could modify the rules of the race to favor one car of the other (i.e. rolling start, rain/snow/dirt) it's an endless argument then. They are both fast cars designed for total different purposes.

    As far as the FXT being fast because it's AWD? Sorry, but that's just not the case. Sure the AWD helps it get off the mark, but if AWD is all it took, then all subaru's in this thread should be getting high 13's . If we were talking about the 2.0 WRX I'd agree. It's just doesn't feel fast but if you get the chance to drive a 04-05 FXT you'll see what I mean.

    The 2.5 from the sti isn't just and additional 0.5l of displacement over the 2.0. It has AVCS (and a bunch of other goodies) which helps with low end torque.

    Active Valve Control System
    The STi's dual over-head camshaft (DOHC) cylinder heads use hollow camshafts to reduce mass. Shimless cam followers reduce valvetrain mass to enhance response. The WRX STi powerplant incorporates Subaru's Active Valve Control System variable valve timing technology to optimize the engine's volumetric efficiency throughout the rev band.

    Active Valve Control adjusts intake camshaft timing to employ the ideal intake and exhaust valve overlap under all engine operating conditions. The system helps eliminate the traditional compromise between low-end torque and high-rpm horsepower and also helps to enhance fuel economy and reduce emissions.

    The Active Valve Control System can rotate the intake camshafts through a range of 35 degrees relative to the crankshaft. The Engine Control Module (ECM) regulates this movement, based on input from various sensors - airflow, engine coolant temperature, throttle position and camshaft position. The ECM generates an electrical output signal to an oil control valve positioned at each intake camshaft sprocket. Oil pressure is then varied within "advance" and "retard" chambers inside the Active Valve Control System actuator. The system calls upon computer maps to respond to various driving conditions, providing ideal valve timing for stable engine idling and optimum torque across the engine speed range.
    As far as altitude goes, yes all cars will lose power unless they have altitude correction (Audi does apparently). However a turbo will loose less power relative to a NA car (agree?) - at least from all the reading I've done on the subject. I should have saved the links since he worked out the math and it was a very interesting read.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve71
    Useless? I think most people would agree that the one data point that counts is, who crossed the line first, and if 1/4 mile times from a reputable publication (Car and Driver) doesn't count, then I don't know what does. Sure it doesn't tell the whole story on a car, but the FACT is in 2004, the FXT out ran the 350z in the 1/4 mile (up to 97MPH). Of course we could modify the rules of the race to favor one car of the other (i.e. rolling start, rain/snow/dirt) it's an endless argument then. They are both fast cars.

    As far as the FXT being fast because it's AWD? Sorry, but that's just not the case. Sure the AWD helps it get off the mark, but if AWD is all it took, then all subaru's in this thread should be getting high 13's . If we were talking about the 2.0 WRX I'd agree. It's just doesn't feel fast but if you get the chance to drive a 04-05 FXT you'll see what I mean.

    The 2.5 from the sti isn't just and additional 0.5l of displacement over the 2.0. It has AVCS (and a bunch of other goodies) which helps with low end torque.



    As far as altitude goes, yes all cars will lose power unless they have altitude correction (Audi does apparently). However a turbo will loose less power relative to a NA car (agree?) - at least from all the reading I've done on the subject. I should have saved the links since he worked out the math and it was a very interesting read.
    More info for you from nasioc;

    But Kevin, their have been plenty of tests of the 350Z that has gotten 0-60 times of 5.4-5.5 seconds and 1/4 mile times of 14.1 @ 100+ mph.
    These times are also duplicated by the owners at the tracks.

    On the other hand, the times that C & D got for the FXT are HIGHLY suspicious and questioned by MANY. That time has NEVER been duplicated by ANY OTHER testing magazine who tested the car, and search this and the Forester board...no owner has duplicated those times at the track either.
    They seem to be running a best time of 14.2 at 92-94 mph the track and averaging slower than that.


    In a full on race, the FXT would jump about a car length at the start and then the 350Z would begin reeling it in right away, and never look back shortly thereafter."
    I've also never understood the "oh, it's an underrated car" thing. What, does it dyno then 20hp higher or whatever? No? Then how the hell is it "underrated". I know they say the same thing about my car, but you put it on a dyno and see how much hp is at the wheels, then add the amount of known drivetrain loss= cars rated horsepower, so where does all this magical "underrated" power come from?

    In any case, just as the poster above said, no one is getting sub 14 second quater-miles with stock foresters, the C and D figures have not been duplicated by any other testers, and every post I've found on nasioc of someone running under 14 in a forester has something like an sti turbo, exhaust and EM at the least, so that number is just BS, again, usless. The forester is no supercar, and a Z will eat it for lunch in 95% of situations, but yes if you clutch drop from a standstill you'll get a car length for a little while (to 60mph). Perhaps a quicker 0-60 in that specific situation (not a rolling 5-60). The Z eats it on the quarter mile and everywhere else.
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    Yay... did you two finally figure it out?

    The 350Z is a sports car.

    The Forester is a SUV.


    Call a truce??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem
    More info for you from nasioc;

    "But Kevin, their have been plenty of tests of the 350Z that has gotten 0-60 times of 5.4-5.5 seconds and 1/4 mile times of 14.1 @ 100+ mph.
    These times are also duplicated by the owners at the tracks.

    On the other hand, the times that C & D got for the FXT are HIGHLY suspicious and questioned by MANY. That time has NEVER been duplicated by ANY OTHER testing magazine who tested the car, and search this and the Forester board...no owner has duplicated those times at the track either.
    They seem to be running a best time of 14.2 at 92-94 mph the track and averaging slower than that.


    In a full on race, the FXT would jump about a car length at the start and then the 350Z would begin reeling it in right away, and never look back shortly thereafter."

    I've also never understood the "oh, it's an underrated car" thing. What, does it dyno then 20hp higher or whatever? No? Then how the hell is it "underrated". I know they say the same thing about my car, but you put it on a dyno and see how much hp is at the wheels, then add the amount of known drivetrain loss= cars rated horsepower, so where does all this magical "underrated" power come from?

    A lot of people questioned the FXT times at first due the published 210hp rating from Subaru. As it turns out the FXT has about 240-250HP. Not to mention that most people forget to factor in the ultra low gearing on the FXT.

    If you know the % drive train loss, then you can calculate the crank HP from the wheel HP.

    Not a good idea to compare 1/4 mile times by different drivers at different tracks. What was the date of that post?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve71
    A lot of people questioned the FXT times at first due the published 210hp rating from Subaru. As it turns out the FXT has about 240-250HP. Not to mention that most people forget to factor in the ultra low gearing on the FXT.

    If you know the % drive train loss, then you can calculate the crank HP from the wheel HP.

    Not a good idea to compare 1/4 mile times by different drivers at different tracks. What was the date of that post?
    Uhh, no, these AWD cars loose about 25% of their power to the driveline, that means 60hp for a 230hp wrx and about 50hp for a 220hp forester, subtract the 50hp and you're left with 170 at the wheels, which is where most of the foresters that I've just looked up dyno at. Not severely "underrated" at all. Actually just about right where they're supposed to be. Even if they are "underrated" we're talking about 10hp or so, not 30-40hp...heh.. One of the problems here though is that people tend to apply that "60hp" for the wrx value to all the cars, and assume it's the same, well it's not because it's more like a percentage, so it's not 60hp for every car, but if you start doing that you think that your forester should dyno at 150hp or something, then it dynos at 170, wow! it must be severely underrated!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Picard
    I have questions to subaru owners:

    does the windows of subaru leak in air during hwy travel?

    how reliable is subaru engine over 5yr period?

    Is there major mechanical break down for subaru?
    i have a 2000 legacy wagon and problems just keep coming.
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    corrosion to chassis is unlike anything i've seen before. rust everywhere. you definately have to undercoat to protect.
    would i buy another?? i don't think so....if your looking for a 5yr commitment you'll probably be ok depending on mileage. I have heard that tranny problems for my model year were due to cooling issues which were remedied for 01 model year.

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    Don't know what else I can say, I conceded your point that the 350Z is faster in a number of situations, yet you fail to acknowledge that the FXT's faster or, at worst equal in 1/4 mile times. Apparently there's been a few documented high 13's with a stock 04/05 FXT's and I'd image that most FXT's never get taken to the Drag stip. Over and out.

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    My wife's got an 04 Impreza, we've also had a 97 Legacy sedan and a 1993 Impreza.
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    Hey can we stop the 350z v. Forrester argument. They are two different types of cars. Quit the bench racing. If you want to settle it meet somewhere (hopefully a track) and race. Maybe make it an all day event! (with a little rally action.)

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    forester is a bunch of power in a silly imitation suv body, and you have to pull the fender to change a 200$ light bulb in a 350z. Both are ridiculous.

    How often does a stock 350z roll up and drag race a stock forester? Since nobody knows, we have to assume it never happens, and so the results are pretty damn unimportant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Picard
    I have questions to subaru owners:

    does the windows of subaru leak in air during hwy travel?

    how reliable is subaru engine over 5yr period?

    Is there major mechanical break down for subaru?

    Subarus are great cars for sure, very dependable, excellent safety record, good mileage and such. But the window leaking air is something that's kept me from pulling the trigger on one. Well that and the fact I just can't get the seating position into a place that's comfortable for me. I know two people with Foresters and they both whistle on the highway. They also leak when they wash their cars. Not saying its something really common or anything like that, but its been a deal breaker for me. Maybe I'm paranoid. The new Forester has a frame around the window so it should seal better. I think it looks better too, but that's a personal thing. So does the Tribeca. Those two have been on my short list for a replacement for my Tundra.
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    Just bought a 2008 STi a few weeks ago and am loving it. I'm just folding down the seats and throwing the bike in the back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by faustus
    Just bought a 2008 STi a few weeks ago and am loving it. I'm just folding down the seats and throwing the bike in the back.
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    Well, does test drive count...?
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    I raced an '07 STI in the SCCA RallyCross National Challenge series last year, and moved to an '08 for this season. Subaru builds 'em tough, and they're the fastest thing on the dirt.

    I'll be using the '08 to shuttle my bike to the XC races this year, so I've gone with the factory roof bars with Thule Peleton's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AK Chris
    I know two people with Foresters and they both whistle on the highway. They also leak when they wash their cars. Not saying its something really common or anything like that, but its been a deal breaker for me. Maybe I'm paranoid. The new Forester has a frame around the window so it should seal better.
    All the new Subies have framed windows now. Cannot comment on the Foresters, but my '02 WRX wagon has always been tight despite frameless windows. No noise or leaks and it's 6.5 yrs old now. We have harsh winters to deal with also...oh and did I say I love this car?

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    Another plus for the Impreza line is that it is still being built in Japan. The Legacy lineup for North America is built in the USA.

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    Have you all seen this Subaru commercial?

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    Had not seen that one Nat ( I don't watch much TV) but I do like to grab WRC torrents from here. Some amazing driving
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    You know I am SO F SHOCKED that wacked out subaru did not employ this design...OMG it is SO much fresher than the old staggered, square box shape of Subaru's past gone. This design REALLY would have gathered a whole new look for them while maintaining the integrity of the Subaru theme. What a bunch of nobs...One of the companies I work for also designs the clusters for them aswell...but we only get minimal discount though.



    This design is so hot...I love it. But the back is much to be desired in terms of the rear spoiler, rear exhausts - the rear...! The front and sides are great, but on the whole it would have only needed minimal refinement to make it a complete hit and a classic new shape for them. Too conservative in the area though.

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    Subarus may be a little harder on gas than rwd/fwd only cars, but if you drive in snow its worth it. I am a bike, ski, paddlesports dealer and this car gets me to Vermont a couple of times every winter (1000km drive) in complete confidence.
    Car is shown with Thule Crossroad and bars, Thule Peleton tray, and Thule Hull-A-Port Pro. 'Toys' are Nimbus Telkwa Sport kayak and Dekerf ti hardtail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nat
    Have you all seen this Subaru commercial?
    Looks like I need to change my underpants again.

    Of course, that was all American rally footage. Whenever Pastrana and Block race outside of the US they seem to end up in a ditch. On the other hand the Euros haven't quite mastered the 170-foot gap jump!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSubaruJunkie
    Got my bike tray mounted to the wagon finally Here's a shot of the FSR up on top.
    Good lord man, is that a Toyota in your garage?

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    Yeah thats my truck in the garage... and in the garage it sits. Tired of wrenching on it, and with the mountain bike I plan on using that to get me into the woods this summer.

    Its a fun rig, but I'm fighting to get it passed the CA smog and make it legal again.

    here's pic of it on one of its outings last year:


    It gets me more places than my lifted Subaru ever got me... however for some reason it just isn't as much fun. Dont get me wrong, its fun... but just doesn't have that "im wheelin a subaru" feel to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AK Chris
    Subarus are great cars for sure, very dependable, excellent safety record, good mileage and such. But the window leaking air is something that's kept me from pulling the trigger on one. Well that and the fact I just can't get the seating position into a place that's comfortable for me. I know two people with Foresters and they both whistle on the highway. They also leak when they wash their cars. Not saying its something really common or anything like that, but its been a deal breaker for me. Maybe I'm paranoid. The new Forester has a frame around the window so it should seal better. I think it looks better too, but that's a personal thing. So does the Tribeca. Those two have been on my short list for a replacement for my Tundra.
    I have a 2006 Forester and the windows dont leak but I can see how they might. They are basically sealed by a rubber trim strip and if its damaged then they might leak. My car is loud on the highway. Especially w 40+psi in the tires. But hey i'm getting 24mpg and I can sleep in the back of it with the seats folded down. Not too many cars out there that you can camp inside of them and i'm 6'3". Road noise can be fixed by pulling the carpet and putting in some dynamat. Ride comfort is better than my old Tacoma, the iron maiden of trucks.

    Bikewise, i've stacked 3 FS bikes in the back and hauled 3 riders.

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    I have a Subaru, a 2004 Forester XT in fact.
    I have 2 roof mounted Thule Big Mouths. I don't have any pictures with my Bike on top, I gotta take some pictures next time I through the Bikes on.
    The Forester XT is the perfect vehicle for me. Snowboarding, Biking, Family and Performance.
    I currently have 110k miles on it and it hasn't slowed down yet.

    I don't really want to get in the middle of that Forester XT vs 350z argument, but I will put in my two cents. No I haven't raced, one however my friend does have a 350z which I have driven. Honestly, for a sports car, it's not that quick. The forester feels quicker even from a roll.
    Yes, the AWD of the Subaru helps it Launch of the line, however a rolling start from 10mph will snap your head back just quick. The gearing is so short as mentioned earlier, and this helps it with those 0-60 and 1/4 mile times.
    Yes, The 350z Handles better, but that is what it's designed for. It's like arguing that the Forester can fit more people, well of course it can that is what it was designed for.

    One of the reason's I bought the Forester XT was because, I wanted a "sporty car" but needed more practicality. I don't know of one car that can do it, but the Forester XT is pretty good at alot of things.

    Anyway here is a picture of my '04 Forester XT, and yes Subarus and Bikes do go hand in hand.
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    07 STI limited here! But my bike straps to the back of my 08 X-Terra.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RumRunnerXT
    I have a Subaru, a 2004 Forester XT in fact.
    I have 2 roof mounted Thule Big Mouths. I don't have any pictures with my Bike on top, I gotta take some pictures next time I through the Bikes on.
    The Forester XT is the perfect vehicle for me. Snowboarding, Biking, Family and Performance.
    I currently have 110k miles on it and it hasn't slowed down yet.

    I don't really want to get in the middle of that Forester XT vs 350z argument, but I will put in my two cents. No I haven't raced, one however my friend does have a 350z which I have driven. Honestly, for a sports car, it's not that quick. The forester feels quicker even from a roll.
    Yes, the AWD of the Subaru helps it Launch of the line, however a rolling start from 10mph will snap your head back just quick. The gearing is so short as mentioned earlier, and this helps it with those 0-60 and 1/4 mile times.
    Yes, The 350z Handles better, but that is what it's designed for. It's like arguing that the Forester can fit more people, well of course it can that is what it was designed for.

    One of the reason's I bought the Forester XT was because, I wanted a "sporty car" but needed more practicality. I don't know of one car that can do it, but the Forester XT is pretty good at alot of things.

    Anyway here is a picture of my '04 Forester XT, and yes Subarus and Bikes do go hand in hand.
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    I love the white FXT's . I have been really happy with mine so far. I have only owned it since the 1st of March. I have a bad habit of gong through cars like underware, and so far I have no desire to get rid of the scoobie THe turbo Foresters are not the ultimate sports cars, but they cover many different bases very well. Like hauling bikes, and still driving fast and sporty.

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    Another FXT here. Love this car. Went from an 04 Mustang GT to this and I'll just say that except for the sound, I don't miss the Mustang at all.
    I'd love to lower it but it just sees too much dirt...
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    Alot of nice subarus here!
    9guy9 - your Forester is Nice, what suspension setup do you have? I see the larger scoop is there an STi intercooler under that?

    RyGuy - If your interested in better handling and keeping decent ground clearance on your Forester, you can always just switch the Rear Sway Bar to an STi one for cheap ($120), it will take alot of the body roll out, an additional option would be to get the forester STi springs which I have installed as well, which only lower it an inch but are slightly stiffer.

    Lets see more Subarus

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    Edmunds / Car & Driver has a piece on the 2010 wagon redesign, which is definitely going to solicit strong opinions pro and con.

    http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...cleId=126468#3

    Unfortunately, no commitment on the diesel boxer just yet, and still no word of the Legacy wagon re-entering the lineup.

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    I have to say so far the face is 100% better... The lights really set off the wheel arch lines and give the Fr facia a really nice aggressive yet more refined look. Taking away from the boring blase old style face. I still think the insignia and grill area are a little off in terms of the rest of the design idea and feel awkward in many ways.

    But all in all, its so much better...the light cluster is fantastic and picking more up from the above redesigned pic above in post 76. My company does some of the parts for this car and in Tokyo will get to have a better look VERY soon, as of yet I have only seen drawings and mocks as well as photo shoots. Still wish they would produce a variation on the better aspects of the Lars Martensson design from his own hatchback but suited up as the Impreza STI 2008 model...man I drool on many design aspects of that car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedub.Nate
    Edmunds / Car & Driver has a piece on the 2010 wagon redesign, which is definitely going to solicit strong opinions pro and con.

    http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...cleId=126468#3

    Unfortunately, no commitment on the diesel boxer just yet, and still no word of the Legacy wagon re-entering the lineup.

    <img src="http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/il/news/2008/0523/subaru.legacy.illustration.500.jpg">
    I like the part about the 430hp Legacy STI. Holy cow!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sim2u
    I have to say so far the face is 100% better... The lights really set off the wheel arch lines and give the Fr facia a really nice aggressive yet more refined look. Taking away from the boring blase old style face. I still think the insignia and grill area are a little off in terms of the rest of the design idea and feel awkward in many ways.

    But all in all, its so much better...
    Sim-

    That is how my wife summed up the Outback vs Forester. Although the Forester does have some of the new corporate look, I felt inside it was not of as high a quality. Given the IMBA VIP and rebates they are about the same price.

    The '10 Outback hopefully will have a 5speed auto, and more ground clearance than the drawing. I also felt the rear seat was bigger on the Forester than Outback.

    Do I make her happy or get the wagon

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    Quote Originally Posted by RumRunnerXT
    Alot of nice subarus here!
    9guy9 - your Forester is Nice, what suspension setup do you have? I see the larger scoop is there an STi intercooler under that?

    RyGuy - If your interested in better handling and keeping decent ground clearance on your Forester, you can always just switch the Rear Sway Bar to an STi one for cheap ($120), it will take alot of the body roll out, an additional option would be to get the forester STi springs which I have installed as well, which only lower it an inch but are slightly stiffer.

    Lets see more Subarus

    I have a drummond coil over setup in my FXT, along with cobb swaybars. Now that the weather is nice and its warm out I love it. But during cold temps it is very stiff and harsh. I am looking for a good deal on a set of STi takeoff's to swap in. here is a ESX intercooler under the scoop, as well as a Cobb header and full exhaust. I bought the car with all the mods done which was nice as it saved me quite a chunk of change. I just need to find a bigger turbo.


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    Yes I have to say that I gave just a very brief visual opinion at best...when the talk starts getting techy, it just drools into pages, so best just to slam it down simple I guess.

    But as to your choice...man, that IS a hard one I hvae to say. I like both and I do aggree on the quality. I was deciding between the Alfa Romeo Brera 3.2V6 Q4 Skywindow top spec with an after market Autodelta J5 kit...OR the 2008 STI WRX Impreza. To compare the quality minus price, the STI left me feeling great in terms of its drivable aspects but the cabin build, choice of materials, feel and look...well, let me just say that I felt as if I had bought it for the price being sold for I would hahve felt ripped off. It just felt like for the price, its should of had a bit more...to it.

    I went for the Brera...next year we get the J5 kit done...which is bloody crazy expensive to have done here in Japan due to the fact that there are no Autodelta groups here and Jano himself has to fly up and slap all the pretty bits on, like the Supercharger, suspension kit, 19" rims+wheels, exhaust headers cats, ecu mod etc etc SOo far I have to say I love the brera, even if its a bit heavier but the STI felt more responsive and much more snappier.

    But...I would not want to have your choice mate...hard one indeedy. I have to say though I do prefere the forester, snap a Turbo on it and whah-lah...

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack'sDad
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    That is how my wife summed up the Outback vs Forester. Although the Forester does have some of the new corporate look, I felt inside it was not of as high a quality. Given the IMBA VIP and rebates they are about the same price.

    The '10 Outback hopefully will have a 5speed auto, and more ground clearance than the drawing. I also felt the rear seat was bigger on the Forester than Outback.

    Do I make her happy or get the wagon

    Rob

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedub.Nate
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    Wow! That is HOT!

    I love my 2007 Legacy GT but I'm starting to regret not getting the wagon. If they bring back the wagon in 2010 with that look, I'll be trading it in for sure!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carbon Ken
    Wow! That is HOT!

    I love my 2007 Legacy GT but I'm starting to regret not getting the wagon. If they bring back the wagon in 2010 with that look, I'll be trading it in for sure!
    Well, what I am entirely unclear on is that the concept vehicle pictured has pretty low ground clearance in keeping with the Legacy, but seems entirely inappropriate for the Outback.

    My hope is this is an indication of thereturn of the Legacy wagon to the US market. They're still building them in the US assembly facility for sale in Canada, and the Legacy wagon remains popular in Europe.
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