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    Subaru XV Crosstrek

    Subaru XV Crosstrek | The New 2013 XV Crosstrek

    Looks like a interesting option for a good outdoor/bike hauler that gets pretty good gas mileage. Been looking for a decent car/suv to supplement my full size truck for when i dont need the space and 4WD.

    I have never owned a Subaru, so i would be curious to see what you guys who are familiar with them have to say. I have a call into the local dealer to email me when they get one in so i can go down and have a look and a test drive.

    The pre-reviews seem to be fairly good except that most are saying its a little under powered at 148 HP.

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    My wife and I are interested in one of these to replace her Jeep Liberty.

    I have put out some e-mails to multiple dealers asking questions (and hoping upon hoping that if enough people ask for the diesel version, that Subaru will bring it to the US in that car), and one of them has had the chance to test drive one. It's basically a lifted version of the Impreza 5dr. That dealer got to test drive one and he sent me some side-by-side pics.

    He says that the suspension on the XV is surprisingly tight given the ground clearance and says that it feels much quieter than the Impreza.

    I'd want to climb in one and see what it feels like before deciding 100%. I drive an 07 Fit Sport with a much less powerful engine, and it feels spritely enough for me.
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    So it's the "new" Impreza Outback model?

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    basically, from what i gather it is a lifted Impreza with a new body.

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    Meh. Needs more engine.

    Why pack 500 lbs of performance enhancing mechanical equipment onto a base model Impreza without improving its heart and muscle?
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    I have a Subaru Outback and on the forums the biggest gripe with the XV seems to be the engine power or lack thereof. However it all depends on what you need the car for and what you expect it to do for you. A test drive will reveal all and should help the OP in making a final decision.
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    For the $25k MSRP I'd buy a [used] 2011 Impreza with some factory warranty on it, throw in a new stereo, put on a hitch and rack, buy new tires and wheels and put the remaining $6k toward a new bike or two... Or buy a used WRX hatch.

    If I absolutely had to go new, I'd still get a regular Impreza hatch over the Crosstek. I can't see how the extra 3" clearance is going to help unless you are on some seriously rough back roads all the time, in which case a lifted truck might be a better option.

    Full disclosure; I own a 2002 WRX wagon and a 2010 STI hatch. I have beat the living **** out of the WRX, and it won't die. Gravel roads, snowbanks, potholes, ditches, airtime, sorta-accidental drifting - it comes back for more. The parts I have worn out are generally replaceable by your average backyard mechanic - struts, spark plugs, tires, light bulbs...

    The downsides - the interiors are pretty cheap, and they develop rattles after a year or two. Since it's AWD, you need to be smoother with the clutch [obviously, this is not a factor with CVT and auto transmissions]. Dealer parts are very expensive compared to aftermarket and performance bits. The paint is thin and chips easily.
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    I own a 2011 STi hatch and pinkrobe is dead on on the description. I have owned Fords my entire life and took a chance on the STi and absolutely love it. I had a 2011 Mustang GT that was almost fully loaded and sold it for the STi (biking reasons mostly) and I don't regret it at all. Even the Mustang had a nicer interior than the STi but that's not something that really bothers me. I believe I read somewhere that Subaru really doesn't warranty rattle noises because they are bound to happen (especially on an STi). But I absolutely love this car. I bought the extended warranty and was really impressed by it. I will drive this car until it dies and then replace it with another Subaru most likely. The Subie already has a few paint chips. I cannot wait until it snows. My husband hated my 2003 and my 2011 Mustang GTs but absolutely loves the STi and wants to get either a WRX or maybe an Outback. He also decided against the Crosstrek because of the lack of power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mfisher1971 View Post
    Meh. Needs more engine.

    Why pack 500 lbs of performance enhancing mechanical equipment onto a base model Impreza without improving its heart and muscle?
    At $22k you're not going to get much more power. Put a WRX motor in that thing and its a different story, but then the price will jump to $28k.

    Either way, I like it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by csledd281 View Post
    I own a 2011 STi hatch and pinkrobe is dead on on the description. I have owned Fords my entire life and took a chance on the STi and absolutely love it. I had a 2011 Mustang GT that was almost fully loaded and sold it for the STi (biking reasons mostly) and I don't regret it at all. Even the Mustang had a nicer interior than the STi but that's not something that really bothers me. I believe I read somewhere that Subaru really doesn't warranty rattle noises because they are bound to happen (especially on an STi). But I absolutely love this car. I bought the extended warranty and was really impressed by it. I will drive this car until it dies and then replace it with another Subaru most likely. The Subie already has a few paint chips. I cannot wait until it snows. My husband hated my 2003 and my 2011 Mustang GTs but absolutely loves the STi and wants to get either a WRX or maybe an Outback. He also decided against the Crosstrek because of the lack of power.
    I am considering getting a Subaru in the future, but it would be my first non GMC/Chevy vehicle. Glad to see you are happy with the Subaru after several fords.
    In my opinion, Subaru has cars that fill a void in the american car makers lineup, a smaller car that is capable in inclement weather, gets good MPG, and roomy enough to haul alot of different things.
    The Chevy Equinox, GMC Terrain, and Ford Escape all lack that Roominess, Superior AWD System, and Rugged Utility grade exterior. Plus they all cost more than a Forester or Outback!

    As for the XV, i like the raised stance, but the wheels are terrible looking......if it had the wheels swapped from the other impreza in the pic it would look alot better.
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    The wife and I are eyeing the XV to replace our 07 Impreza 2.5i wagon when the time comes. Why? Power is plenty enough for us, at 31 I'm way past racing around. Hell, I hardly even drive anywhere unless its to/from the trail or other biking event.

    That said, when we go camping or to the in-laws, there normally is some off-roading involved. No where near enough to justify buying a gus-guzzling truck, but enough that the extra ground clearance would be a blessing.

    I've scrapped enough stuff with our current wagon, had to bend and re-attach muffler shields, broke clips on the front under-guard, etc. Not to mention the saggy-butt issues, especially when loaded.

    A truck would be overkill, but the XV pretty much hits the nail on the head. Sure, I could always throw some Forester struts under the current car, which we've considered, but getting a new ride, with everything covered by warranty seems like a darn good idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jcaino View Post
    The wife and I are eyeing the XV to replace our 07 Impreza 2.5i wagon when the time comes. Why? Power is plenty enough for us, at 31 I'm way past racing around. Hell, I hardly even drive anywhere unless its to/from the trail or other biking event.

    That said, when we go camping or to the in-laws, there normally is some off-roading involved. No where near enough to justify buying a gus-guzzling truck, but enough that the extra ground clearance would be a blessing.

    I've scrapped enough stuff with our current wagon, had to bend and re-attach muffler shields, broke clips on the front under-guard, etc. Not to mention the saggy-butt issues, especially when loaded.

    A truck would be overkill, but the XV pretty much hits the nail on the head. Sure, I could always throw some Forester struts under the current car, which we've considered, but getting a new ride, with everything covered by warranty seems like a darn good idea.

    I agree with this statement. At 33mpg hwy, this is more like an economy car than a zippy sports car, which is what the STi's and WRX's are. I compared curb weight and torque of the XV with my current Honda Fit and my wife's liberty. The XV is comparable (in fact, the ratio is nearly identical) to the Honda. Similar mpg, so I'm not surprised. Of course, the Jeep has more torque relative to vehicle weight, but that's to be expected from a vehicle rated to tow as much as the Jeep. On paper, it looks like the XV will be fine. All I ask is for some extra ground clearance for rough roads and snow.

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    I think Subie may have a winner here. Not many AWD Crossovers are available with a stick, not to mention, are rated at 33mpg and $22k list price. I would check one out.

    And, it doesn't look like it was beaten with Subaru's ugly stick too much. Although, those rims are pretty gash.

    I can live with the meh 0-60 times as long as it corners okay. My Avant is rated at 150hp with good torque numbers, and weighs 200 pounds more than the Subie. It has plenty of pickup for my tastes.
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    I own a 2011 outback sport and love it! Enough ground clearance for most.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pimpbot View Post
    I think Subie may have a winner here. Not many AWD Crossovers are available with a stick, not to mention, are rated at 33mpg and $22k list price. I would check one out.

    And, it doesn't look like it was beaten with Subaru's ugly stick too much. Although, those rims are pretty gash.

    I can live with the meh 0-60 times as long as it corners okay. My Avant is rated at 150hp with good torque numbers, and weighs 200 pounds more than the Subie. It has plenty of pickup for my tastes.
    FWIW, the MT is not rated at 33mpg. The CVT is.

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    I would not buy a first model year car. Too many problems. Plus, Subie's are known for head gasket issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aircooled View Post
    I would not buy a first model year car. Too many problems. Plus, Subie's are known for head gasket issues.
    The head gasket issues have been resolved since the Gen 3 Outbacks. It was a mostly 1997-2003 model year issue on the 2.5 motor. The new Subaru's no longer have that problem and in some cases SOA has helped pay for their replacement.
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    I own Subaru Outback 2006 with 44,000 miles but will not be getting another one. I just had a misfire (both coils died etc.) last week but luckily I bought an extended warranty and my friend works at my Subaru. It is a bit of an overkill for me anyway. I will be getting a small, peppy car such as Honda Civic Si. I still do not know why I bought a big car in the first place since I am a European living in the US. It must have been peer pressure.
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    As a fellow European, I say YOU should be the peer!!
    Too bad the coils went out, but don't think Honda's don't have issues either....YMMV
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    Quote Originally Posted by aircooled View Post
    I would not buy a first model year car. Too many problems. Plus, Subie's are known for head gasket issues.
    Um, it's an Impreza with a different suspension and a slightly larger gas tank. Hardly think that's a first model year car.

    Plus it's rather premature to speculate on head gasket issues with the FB series since it's only been out a year or two. I sell them so I see bad head gaskets almost every day, but only really up to 03-04. Occasionally an 05?

    The HP of this car is perfectly fine, if you are comparing it to things like the Civic, Corolla, Focus, etc... consider that it went down from 170 to 148 when the Impreza was redesigned for 2012, yet the new generation is faster than the older gen (a lot of that has to do with the CVT though).

    If one wants more power, that's what a WRX is for.

    Anyways, back to the OP, using my dealer as an example, we are getting 10-11 for 2013, and all will likely be pre-sold special orders- we aren't anticipating any will come in for stock like to sit on the lot and for test drives and such. Typical procedure is I build a car for a customer to their liking, take a deposit, and when it shows up (earliest are coming in December), customer drives it, and if they don't like it, they get their deposit back instantly. I suspect there will be cars on the lot in the second year, though. People seem puzzled by that, but this car is a sub-model of the Impreza which is already in a demand-exceeds-supply situation.

    As far as handling, I have not driven one, but my Subaru corporate trainer who has been driving one says that it handles "98% like a normal Impreza", which would make sense. I wouldn't expect much of a difference in handling from the suspension except for if you're really pushing the car, but perhaps a noticeable difference in tires- the XV will be running some variant of a Yoko Geolandar. Methinks it might actually be same as what is on Forester Premiums and Limiteds, but I didn't get a chance to verify this the other day when the XV was on display at our store, and it's gone now.

    Honestly, if it were me I would just get a normal Impreza Sport Premium or Limited- maybe put some body spacers on from Subtle to raise it a bit if I needed to, but I personally don't live somewhere where I would need the raised suspension of the XV.

    Oh, and for goodness sake, don't get a 2011 Impreza, the 2012+ is SO much better it's ridiculous. The only way that it would be more cost effective to get a 2008-11 is if you went for an 08-10, the depreciation there would maybe pose a good argument. But then you also get 30% worse fuel economy, and an uglier car, but that's my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aircooled View Post
    I would not buy a first model year car. Too many problems. Plus, Subie's are known for head gasket issues.
    This would actually be a second year car. It's just a regular impreza with a lift kit.

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    Oh, and not to be nit-picky, but there was an XV variant in europe for 2012, so all the changes made to the XV from the 2012 Impreza have already been in production for a year before coming to the US/Canada

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    Quote Originally Posted by XJaredX View Post
    Um, it's an Impreza with a different suspension and a slightly larger gas tank. Hardly think that's a first model year car.

    Plus it's rather premature to speculate on head gasket issues with the FB series since it's only been out a year or two. I sell them so I see bad head gaskets almost every day, but only really up to 03-04. Occasionally an 05?

    The HP of this car is perfectly fine, if you are comparing it to things like the Civic, Corolla, Focus, etc... consider that it went down from 170 to 148 when the Impreza was redesigned for 2012, yet the new generation is faster than the older gen (a lot of that has to do with the CVT though).

    If one wants more power, that's what a WRX is for.

    Anyways, back to the OP, using my dealer as an example, we are getting 10-11 for 2013, and all will likely be pre-sold special orders- we aren't anticipating any will come in for stock like to sit on the lot and for test drives and such. Typical procedure is I build a car for a customer to their liking, take a deposit, and when it shows up (earliest are coming in December), customer drives it, and if they don't like it, they get their deposit back instantly. I suspect there will be cars on the lot in the second year, though. People seem puzzled by that, but this car is a sub-model of the Impreza which is already in a demand-exceeds-supply situation.

    As far as handling, I have not driven one, but my Subaru corporate trainer who has been driving one says that it handles "98% like a normal Impreza", which would make sense. I wouldn't expect much of a difference in handling from the suspension except for if you're really pushing the car, but perhaps a noticeable difference in tires- the XV will be running some variant of a Yoko Geolandar. Methinks it might actually be same as what is on Forester Premiums and Limiteds, but I didn't get a chance to verify this the other day when the XV was on display at our store, and it's gone now.

    Honestly, if it were me I would just get a normal Impreza Sport Premium or Limited- maybe put some body spacers on from Subtle to raise it a bit if I needed to, but I personally don't live somewhere where I would need the raised suspension of the XV.

    Oh, and for goodness sake, don't get a 2011 Impreza, the 2012+ is SO much better it's ridiculous. The only way that it would be more cost effective to get a 2008-11 is if you went for an 08-10, the depreciation there would maybe pose a good argument. But then you also get 30% worse fuel economy, and an uglier car, but that's my opinion.

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    As a fellow European, I say YOU should be the peer!!
    Too bad the coils went out, but don't think Honda's don't have issues either....YMMV
    Hehe, I am sure they have problems. After 8 years without a stick shift I cannot do it anymore. I need a stick. How is Florida treating you? Are you surviving? I am in NY.

    Let my apply a small analogy to cars. Subaru AWD being a full suspension 29er and Honda Civic Si Coupe would be a rigid 29er with semi slick tires. The latter suits me better.

    On the side note, I think Subaru is really out of touch design wise. It really saddens me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PatrickK View Post
    Hehe, I am sure they have problems. After 8 years without a stick shift I cannot do it anymore. I need a stick. How is Florida treating you? Are you surviving? I am in NY.

    Let my apply a small analogy to cars. Subaru AWD being a full suspension 29er and Honda Civic Si Coupe would be a rigid 29er with semi slick tires. The latter suits me better.

    On the side note, I think Subaru is really out of touch design wise. It really saddens me.
    Florida is ok but the summers suck as in too humid and too hot, however, I keep riding. I like our winters though..

    Subaru has gone too mainstream IMHO as well. I like my mom's '07 OB better than mine even though mine is bigger on the inside and quieter too. Quality wise they are both good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aircooled View Post
    I would not buy a first model year car. Too many problems. Plus, Subie's are known for head gasket issues.
    I would have no problem making an exception with Impreza and XV, these are still built in Japan which is a big plus IMO. I'm still driving my "first model year" 2002 WRX Bugeye wagon which was new Oct 2001, probably one of the first to come over on the boat . This car has been golden. On a side note, this car doesn't and never has rattled, still tight!And like many others that have owned these, I just can't part with it even though I can easily afford a new car. I read to many regret stories from people who sold them and then wished they hadn't! That said, the XV is right at the top of my short list for when the time inevitably comes. Meanwhile...






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    XV to be built in Indiana, not overseas.

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    yeah...

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    FWIW, the MT is not rated at 33mpg. The CVT is.
    I noticed that later. I wonder why? Top gear not tall enough on the 5MT?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NateHawk View Post
    If you read that, it does not say that th XV is built in Indiana. the XV and Impreza is currently built in Japan. AFAIK there are no plans to change. The one I test drove at Subaru of Muskoka had Made in Japan clearly stamped in the engine bay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pimpbot View Post
    I noticed that later. I wonder why? Top gear not tall enough on the 5MT?
    Different AWD systems, MT uses a viscous center diff, CVT uses an electric clutch system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackCanoeDog View Post
    If you read that, it does not say that th XV is built in Indiana. the XV and Impreza is currently built in Japan. AFAIK there are no plans to change. The one I test drove at Subaru of Muskoka had Made in Japan clearly stamped in the engine bay.
    you're right. reading comprehension fail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pimpbot View Post
    I noticed that later. I wonder why? Top gear not tall enough on the 5MT?
    The CVT is setup to keep the engine RPM in the optimal fuel economy range as much as possible. The 5MT gets about 3 mpg less I think. The MT is still my personal choice, I live in a rural area where I can enjoy the stickshift. If I lived in the city with constant stop&go driving I would consider the CVT even though I am not a fan of automatics. In Australia they get 6MT, and in Europe they also can get 2L diesel option...which would be awesome in this car! Even better fuel economy plus the power that everyone wants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NateHawk View Post
    you're right. reading comprehension fail.

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    Models built at the Indiana plant: Outback, Legacy, Tribeca, Toyota Camry.
    That article is a good example how wordsmiths phrase things to give a reader the impression or implication they have said such-and-such without actually having said it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbikerTi View Post
    Different AWD systems, MT uses a viscous center diff, CVT uses an electric clutch system.
    Really? I thought it said it was symmetrical. Meaning, always on, diffs all around, maybe with a limited slip or lock-up on the center diff.

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    There are like 4-5 different types of AWD systems in Subaru models, but yeah mtbikerTi is correct in manual versus automatic.

    Symmetrical AWD refers to the side to side symmetry. The engine faces north south and there are no funny transfer cases or whatever hanging off the side of the transmission and rear end. The system goes straight down the middle.

    For the Impreza/XV/Forester/ 4 cyl Legacy and Outback the stick shift is normally 50/50 F/R power split but shifts it if one set of wheels spins considerably faster than the other.

    For the automatic versions of those cars, the power bias is normally something close to 90% front/ 10% rear, but will shift up to 50% to the back as needed.

    I favor the manual transmission's awd system but in reality they are both superb.

    Depending on the year and trim levels there were limited slip rear diffs too, but in the non performance cars those have more or less been replaced by electronic aids.

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    I was going thru some product certification yesterday and learned this stuff- it makes me want to stop saying "an Impreza with a lift kit" lol

    -Transmission ratios have been revised to enhance towing capacity
    -Radiator has increased cooling capacity for towing
    -Front brake rotor diameter is increased to 11.6 inches from 10.9 inches on Impreza
    -Fuel tank is 1.4 gallons larger than Impreza
    -Suspension height is 3 inches higher than Impreza
    -Suspension differences include increased rigidity, stiffer spring rate, greater damping force, larger front strut tubes and brackets, larger front stabilizer bar
    -Wider track and shorter wheelbase than Impreza

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    Quote Originally Posted by XJaredX View Post
    I was going thru some product certification yesterday and learned this stuff- it makes me want to stop saying "an Impreza with a lift kit" lol

    -Transmission ratios have been revised to enhance towing capacity
    -Radiator has increased cooling capacity for towing
    -Front brake rotor diameter is increased to 11.6 inches from 10.9 inches on Impreza
    -Fuel tank is 1.4 gallons larger than Impreza
    -Suspension height is 3 inches higher than Impreza
    -Suspension differences include increased rigidity, stiffer spring rate, greater damping force, larger front strut tubes and brackets, larger front stabilizer bar
    -Wider track and shorter wheelbase than Impreza
    Some real improvements there over the base Impreza...but I'm really wondering about the shorter wheelbase. I get the wider track...but how did they end up with a shorter wheelbase?
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    Quote Originally Posted by XJaredX View Post
    I was going thru some product certification yesterday and learned this stuff- it makes me want to stop saying "an Impreza with a lift kit" lol

    -Transmission ratios have been revised to enhance towing capacity
    -Radiator has increased cooling capacity for towing
    -Front brake rotor diameter is increased to 11.6 inches from 10.9 inches on Impreza
    -Fuel tank is 1.4 gallons larger than Impreza
    -Suspension height is 3 inches higher than Impreza
    -Suspension differences include increased rigidity, stiffer spring rate, greater damping force, larger front strut tubes and brackets, larger front stabilizer bar
    -Wider track and shorter wheelbase than Impreza
    Sooo..... it IS an Impreza on stilts!

    Not that there is anything wrong with that.

    And, I can't believe folks are whining about 150hp. 0-60 in 10 seconds (as found in a Google search) is not going to win any street races, but is not bad. It wasn't too long ago that a VW Rabbit was 0-60 in 10 seconds was pretty dang quick for a stock economy car.

    I think in this country, we got too used to drag racing off of the line. We drive cars, not numbers on a spec sheet.

    With the oil crunch coming up, and CO2 emissions getting out of control, it won't surprise me if we are all driving around 15 second 0-60 cars in the not so distant future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcaino View Post
    Some real improvements there over the base Impreza...but I'm really wondering about the shorter wheelbase. I get the wider track...but how did they end up with a shorter wheelbase?
    I have no clue, that had me scratching my head, maybe the higher suspension has some negative caster dialed in or something, I dunno. I'm guessing it's a difference of a few millimeters

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    I think a lot of engine technology has gone into making bigger faster cars and not better fuel efficiency. We can still have fast cars, they just can't be big...well for a little while at least.
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    Lots of good info in this thread. We own a 2002 Bugeye and I still think it's the best looking wrx ever.
    Will hate to see that car go. I think the ground clearance of the XV would be a plus for us in the Mtns. of N.C. and the occasional trip to Snow shoe WV. I agree with others that the wheels are butt ugly We test drove the 12' Impreza and found the power(CVT equiped)
    to be fine and the break at the pump made it more than worth the loss of hp.

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    I like the rims. Had I not just bought an outback sport in mid 2010 I would have gotten one of these. I paid about the same for my outback sport with the extended warranty as a cross trek would have cost me. Maybe next time? Of course next Subaru will probably have to be an outback due to family reasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackCanoeDog View Post
    If you read that, it does not say that th XV is built in Indiana. the XV and Impreza is currently built in Japan. AFAIK there are no plans to change. The one I test drove at Subaru of Muskoka had Made in Japan clearly stamped in the engine bay.
    High precision parts will never be made in the USA for obvious reasons. My Subaru Outback 2006 has Japanese engine, transmission and few other bits. The rest is American and was assembled in Indiana. Not impressed.
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    I'm not a huge fan of the wheels, either. If we end up getting one, I foresee probably using the existing set of 16" wheels (from the 02-04 Impreza's) I use for snow tires on the car, providing they fit over the brakes. Probably with a more off-roadable tire, too.
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    The Subaru XV Crosstrek is literally the car I have been waiting for from Subaru.

    Supposedly, fun to drive, regardless if on the twisty mountain passes or off-road. The ground clearance won't be winning any rock-crawling competitions, but it sure as hell would be more capable for exploring.

    Oddly enough, I'm considering a similar philosophy for my next bike, most likely a dual-sport Trek.

    Hopefully I'll have both 2 years from now.


    As for AWD systems, the modern-day Subarus have 4 different ones:


    Active AWD: automatic transmission non-turbo EJ/FB engines (60:40 F:R normal torque split, multi-plate transfer clutch)

    Continuous AWD: manual transmission (non STI) (50:50 F:R normal torque split, viscous center diff)

    VTD AWD: automatic transmission turbo engines or EZ engine (45:55 F:R normal torque split, electronic LSD? similar to DCCD in STI)

    DCCD AWD: manual transmission GC8 (22B only), GD and newer WRX STI (35:65 F:R old DCCD, 41:59 F:R new DCCD, electronic LSD)


    As for changes to the Impreza hatch to XV, I even heard that
    the engineers even reinforced the unibody. I have no confirmation, but I found it here: Driving Sports TV - 2013 Subaru XV Crosstrek Tropical Test and Review - YouTube

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    Too much money for that small of a car...You can get an Outback which IS a superior vehicle to the Impreza...
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    Quote Originally Posted by mopartodd View Post
    Too much money for that small of a car...You can get an Outback which IS a superior vehicle to the Impreza...
    The Outback is a couple grand more, gets worse gas mileage, and is frankly more space than I need for my wife, myself, and our dog.

    If I had children, I'd probably go for an Outback, but the Impreza is the more practical car for us.

    Different strokes....
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    I dig the XV. It is a shame Subaru doesn't offer a more powerful n/a motor to fill the HUGE gap between the base 2.0 and the WRX. The XV with a bit more punch under the hood would be pretty fun.

    Regardless...this is the only Subaru that has me considering jumping ship from VW. May have one of these in the garage in a couple years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mopartodd View Post
    Too much money for that small of a car...You can get an Outback which IS a superior vehicle to the Impreza...
    Not everyone wants a midsize wagon, apples and oranges and all that. For what you get in an XV, it is certainly not overpriced, if you look at similarly priced CUV's, let alone nicely equipped compact cars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcaino View Post
    The Outback is a couple grand more, gets worse gas mileage, and is frankly more space than I need for my wife, myself, and our dog.

    If I had children, I'd probably go for an Outback, but the Impreza is the more practical car for us.

    Different strokes....
    This is exactly why the XV was needed.


    For the mid-size crossover shopper, the Outback was right.

    For the compact crossover shopper, the Forester fits right in.

    But for those who find the Forester and Outback too large, the XV fits the bill. Although the XV is also a compact like the Forester, it's smaller (and smaller = easier to deal with in crowded city parking).


    Some people would prefer not to get too much space. All the more power to those like me who don't need family-car space.

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