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    I bought the Crosstrek XV, installed a hitch and documented it.

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    Sweet, the Khaki one in the picture with the Thelma rack is my car! Nice review

    Well, my mpg's finally seem to have settled into summer mode. For the last ten tanks I'm averaging just under 32 and that's in and out of downtown NYC five days a week. The car really has broken in nicely and is a generally pleasant environment and takes care of itself well on the road other than the occasional need for more grunt at low rpm's.

    Eazy_E- You're absolutely right there about the rotten weather competence. It really takes something extraordinary to unsettle this thing. Torrential downpours with inches of water on the road or 4 inches of beat up gloppy mush over frozen rutted slush and it just keeps plugging away. The difference between the AWD system we have and the Haldex or some of the FWD based systems becomes SO apparent when it gets like that. I had a ride last winter where it was me (some other Subies) and Audi Quattro's moving and that was it other than some oddballs with good drivers.

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    Order lead time?

    For those of you that ordered your Crosstrek; how long did you have to wait between order and delivery?

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    4 months almost to the day. We ordered it jan 5 and picked it up may 1 but it arrived on the lot a couple days before.

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    So, anyway, I cleaned it up a little today. I even used a Sham-Wow made in West Germany to minimize water spots. Never done that before.

    Here it is:

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    Sport mesh grille and rear spoiler do a lot to help it's looks, IMO. Got the Curt hitch installed a couple of weeks ago. Just need a Primitive Racing skid plate and I'll be good to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eazy_E View Post
    Sport mesh grille and rear spoiler do a lot to help it's looks, IMO. Got the Curt hitch installed a couple of weeks ago. Just need a Primitive Racing skid plate and I'll be good to go.
    Wish I would see a Crosstrek with the Sport Grille in person. I passed on it as an option because just from looking at pics to me it didn't improve the appearance. Might think differently though if I could actually see it installed on a car.
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    After driving around a Honda Civic coupe for years, squeezing in bikes and driving through snow, I'm giving the crosstrek a pretty serious look over since it really hits all the checkboxes for me. Manual + AWD is tough to find!

    The one thing that worries me is the performance at altitude without a turbo. Anyone have any experiences climbing with it at 6000+ ft? Not expecting to win any races that high up, but I don't want to start rolling backwards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PerfectZero View Post
    The one thing that worries me is the performance at altitude without a turbo. Anyone have any experiences climbing with it at 6000+ ft? Not expecting to win any races that high up, but I don't want to start rolling backwards.
    The Fast Lane Car on Youtube did a 12.36 second 0-60 with a manual one at 5200 ft. I'm thinking trying to take it up to the Eisenhower Tunnel is going to require a lot of RPM. My Ford Ranger with the 2.3L four cylinder was in third gear at 5000 RPM the while way up and dying to maintain 50 MPH.

    Not looking forward to that going back to Arizona.

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    took our XV down to TX and back over the last week. Thule crossbars installed with a fairing.

    Averaged about 29mpg on the way down. We didn't have it exactly "broken in" yet and still not seeing peak fuel economy.

    Heading back north (just shy of 1,000mi each way), I was in a 26ft box truck so did not get to experience the car then. Just drove it a bit this evening and saw the avg economy readout at 31.6 (that includes the trip down with lower economy). I can't get my wife to do manual calculations, so I'm going to have to make an extra effort there if I want that number on our next tank of gas. I think the fuel economy is starting to settle in to what it's advertised to be.

    The car is getting its first oil change at the beginning of the week, so I'm curious if that makes an difference for the car. Very stoked that it only required 2 gas stops to get from Indiana to Texas. My Honda Fit gets better fuel economy, but with a smaller tank my range per tank kinda sucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PerfectZero View Post
    After driving around a Honda Civic coupe for years, squeezing in bikes and driving through snow, I'm giving the crosstrek a pretty serious look over since it really hits all the checkboxes for me. Manual + AWD is tough to find!

    The one thing that worries me is the performance at altitude without a turbo. Anyone have any experiences climbing with it at 6000+ ft? Not expecting to win any races that high up, but I don't want to start rolling backwards.

    This car loaded at altitude is not going to work. Just not enough power and the altitude will take away much more.

    For driveability, this car is actually better with the CVT auto transmission. The tranny will constantly find the peak power of the engine and deliver the best response. In fact mileage is quite a bit better in the auto version.

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    We put a 1Upusa rack on it now. Having the option for 1 rack is cool since it keeps access to opening the hatch easy. And it's actually legal as the license plate is not blocked. The 2 rail system is probably ok according to the law since the plate is mostly visible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois View Post
    This car loaded at altitude is not going to work. Just not enough power and the altitude will take away much more.

    For driveability, this car is actually better with the CVT auto transmission. The tranny will constantly find the peak power of the engine and deliver the best response. In fact mileage is quite a bit better in the auto version.

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    Where's the fun in in just sitting there? I like to control my car. I think they needed to keep the 2.5.

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    Be nice if they put the 2.0 from the BRZ in the Crosstrek.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pebbles View Post
    Be nice if they put the 2.0 from the BRZ in the Crosstrek.
    50 more HP and almost unchanged torque. Meh. A WRX engine and they'd be onto something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    Where's the fun in in just sitting there? I like to control my car. I think they needed to keep the 2.5.
    There's a time and place for manual tranny. The Crosstrek XV is just basic off road transportation and is far from a fun car I believe. Once you try to push it on corners and acceleration, you'll bump into its limits.

    This CVT is faster and is more fuel efficient. But it is buzzy though like most CVTs when under load, climbing hills.

    This car on the other hand needs to be in manual tranny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pebbles View Post
    Be nice if they put the 2.0 from the BRZ in the Crosstrek.
    Yes, it would be awesome. But that engine was co-developed with Toyota and is not allowed to be used in any other car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois View Post
    There's a time and place for manual tranny. The Crosstrek XV is just basic off road transportation and is far from a fun car I believe. Once you try to push it on corners and acceleration, you'll bump into its limits.

    This CVT is faster and is more fuel efficient. But it is buzzy though like most CVTs when under load, climbing hills.

    This car on the other hand needs to be in manual tranny.

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    Too bad as it seems a good direction. So, I guess I'll be forced to keep my 09 Impreza with a real engine and manual.

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    I would much rather have the Crosstrek 2.0L with 5 speed than an 09 Impreza. Go drive one if you haven't before deciding!
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    Quote Originally Posted by XJaredX View Post
    I would much rather have the Crosstrek 2.0L with 5 speed than an 09 Impreza. Go drive one if you haven't before deciding!
    From all the comments above, it sounds like the test drive wouldn't impress. It still looks like a great car however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois View Post
    Yes, it would be awesome. But that engine was co-developed with Toyota and is not allowed to be used in any other car.

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    I'm having a hard time seeing how that would be anything but laughable. The Crosstrek comes with a 148 HP engine with 145ish ft lbs of torque. The BRZ is at 200 HP with 150 ft lbs of torque and you think it'd be a good idea to put that plant in a car that weighs 300-400 lbs more? I still think the WRX engine is the way to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eazy_E View Post
    50 more HP and almost unchanged torque. Meh. A WRX engine and they'd be onto something.
    True. Supposedly with the new 2.0 engine in the imprezas and x-treks they've engineered a very intelligent solution to the ole head-gasket issue with boxer-engines. The old 2.5 WRX engines are decent and can put out some good power, but honestly they are pretty far behind the competition due to direct injection, dual scroll turbos, and other technologies. Heck, quite a few manufacturers are putting out 2.0 turbos with 270+hp now, not to mention that the latest incarnation of the WRX engines are 2.5L at 265 and 305hp respectively. They at least got a good bump to not be too lacking, but also realize that subaru kind of fools you with power. Putting 230hp (old wrx) on the ground all at once through AWD will rocket you from a stop like almost nothing else, at least till 60mph, then you start to fall off fast. Passing power and rolling-acceleration on the other hand can be quite poor, so these cars kind of use the 5000rpm-clutch-drop numbers to look competitive, while a Legacy GT gets it's rear end handed to it by any V6 camry or accord in terms of rolling acceleration and passing. AWD drivetrain losses+low HP=poor acceleration at higher speeds.

    Anyways, I got a little off topic, I loved my WRX and am seriously considering getting another to mod soon, but realizing the limitations, they'd be better to do a MODERN turbo engine based on the new 2.0 architecture IMO (currently in the FXT) rather than drop in an older WRX engine, but both would be significantly better than that BRZ, it's not going to pull at all. I was getting near 280-300lb/ft torque out of my wrx...THAT had some fun pull.
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    I'd be interested in the WRX engine in the Crosstrek as well, although it'd be nice if they could strike a balance between the mileage and adequate performance. I'd consider the WRX itself too, but a major factor in my thinking is the ground clearance and snow performance (strange given I live in SoCal I know).

    Too bad about the performance at altitude. I guess the best solution is to just have a second "high altitude" car parked at 6000 ft
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    I've driver my old 2.5i then the 2.0 in the new impreza. The 2.0 is a worthless engine in my opinion. I live at 5k feet and there is 0 power in any form from that engine. I would have it floored on a flat entrance ramp and it was borderline dangerous to try and merge with. I drive the 2.0T in a 04 WRX now and that would be more than enough power and I still get almost 30 mpg on the highway because i barely have to shift climbing up the mountains as long as I maintain 70mph.

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    Does the 2.0 have pitiful torque (aka Honda style)? Off road requires torque. Where's that stump-puller diesel anyway?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    Does the 2.0 have pitiful torque (aka Honda style)? Off road requires torque. Where's that stump-puller diesel anyway?
    The engine is rated at 148 HP and 147 ft lbs of torque. It weighs about 3100 lbs. Take that as you may.

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    I am looking to replace a 7 yr old Pontiac Vibe and I am considering the Crosstrek. Anyone else do this swap? We currently have a Forrester, which my wife loves. I like the way the Forrester handles the roads in the harsh Wisc winters and it is a much smoother ride than the Vibe. But, I do not like the driver ergonomics of the Forrester.

    Would the Crosstrek be a good replacement for the Vibe, or should I look at an Outback instead?

    I don't really intend to do "off roading" I just want the AWD for the winter and the IMBA discount makes Subaru a no-brainer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    Does the 2.0 have pitiful torque (aka Honda style)? Off road requires torque. Where's that stump-puller diesel anyway?
    My answer to this is yes, there is almost no power. But there is also a large amount lost at altitude out here so YMMV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NJTransplant View Post
    My answer to this is yes, there is almost no power. But there is also a large amount lost at altitude out here so YMMV.
    It's got plenty of power for me in the midwest at less than 1,000ft.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    Does the 2.0 have pitiful torque (aka Honda style)? Off road requires torque. Where's that stump-puller diesel anyway?
    One is in my garage European XV, turbo-diesel, 6-speed manual, still 147 HP but 350 Nm of torque. Enough power at altitude (yay!), and good enough passing power, just remember to ease off a bit on the gas pedal once you hit 1600 RPM otherwise you take off a bit too strong , the turbo is quite powerful.

    And yes, in 1st gear, there's "too much" torque, especially when you don't need it, like when just in traffic jams
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    Quote Originally Posted by NateHawk View Post
    Got the Torklift hitch installed over the weekend and got the vehicle back this morning. Can't tell that the hitch is even there when the cover is on the bumper port. Wife is absolutely thrilled about that part. Looking underneath, there's plenty of space for hitch pins and such, but you have to do all of that inside the bumper. May not be the best system if you're towing a utility trailer a lot, but more than fine for bike racks and stuff. And it maintains the vehicle's ground clearance.

    I'll buy a wiring harness at some point later. I do plan to use it for a small utility trailer at some point, but not in the near future. I have been thinking of attaching a set of trailer lights to the bike rack I buy. I've seen it done on a couple of racks, presumably because those folks have been ticketed by small town officers trying to meet their quota or some such.
    Am thinking of buying a Crosstrek and installing one of these hitches on it, thanks for the info/updates! I wondered exactly does one install the hitch pin to use a bike rack? you go under the car? Do you have to remove any body/bumber panels?
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    Quote Originally Posted by IRONMAN1518 View Post
    Am thinking of buying a Crosstrek and installing one of these hitches on it, thanks for the info/updates! I wondered exactly does one install the hitch pin to use a bike rack? you go under the car? Do you have to remove any body/bumber panels?
    Thanks and good luck with yours!
    here is the installation instructions for installing the factory rack...

    http://techinfo.subaru.com/proxy/682...L1010FJ610.pdf

    using this method you would remove the rear bumper and trim a piece so the factory hitch can 'peek' out.

    then the bike rack would simply slide into the receiver.

    i installed a factory subaru hitch onto my '12 outback and the install was very similar.

    to answer your question about using a hitch pin for use with a bike rack...

    it depends on the rack.

    i have a 1upUSA single tray and i do not use the hitch pin. i tighten down the ball thingy that is installed into the 1upUSA and it secures it to the receiver.

    using our much older yakima 4-bike rack we use the supplied hitch bolt/screw. that bolt/screw secures the rack to the receiver and greatly reduces the wobble to nothing.

    hope this helped.

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    oh!!!

    and, i believe most aftermarket hitches will be installed to hang under the bumper so no trimming is required.

    so, the receiver should be easily accessible... just insert the rack into the receiver and secure using whatever is included with the rack.

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    Thank you for the info!
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    If one is installing the Torklift hitch does the same procedures apply? The video on You tube from Torklift didn't show taking off the bumper. It looks like all they did was cut the hole in the bumper for the hitch to sit, and then just dropped the muffler, installed the hitch, re-installed the muffler, and finit-0! Am I mistaken? Thanx to all!


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    i believe most, if not all, aftermarket hitch installations do NOT remove the bumper... only the factory install.

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    Clarifying some things:

    Regarding the Torklift hitch:
    There are two methods to install. The one in the video does not require bumper removal. There is a bumper removal method, however. The dude I paid to install mine (I did not have what I needed to do it) was a Subaru tech and did the bumper removal method. He told me it was easier than the other way and made sense. There's some minor trimming, but it's just at the cutout panel to clean up the hole a bit. Nothing major (I've seen some major trimming necessary for some cars to have a hitch - not this one).

    Once it's installed, to access the hitch pin, you have to reach underneath and behind the bumper fascia. Not quite as easy to access as most hitches for this car (both factory and other aftermarket models that don't use the bumper cutout), but it's cleaner and doesn't reduce clearance, esp on inclines.

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    That helps a lot, thank you!
    Been looking at them, driven one twice, locally hadn't gotten a very good price, been looking further away. One dealer is a "Sams Club" dealer and I got a very good discount offered to me thru them, but they are 285 miles away and I'd like to not have to travel so far. We will see.
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    Try truecar.com.

    It's free

    Look at the inventory at your local dealer lot and configure the car using the truecar www site.

    You will see what the high average low prices that were paid.

    Hopefully the truecar price is towards the low

    Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IRONMAN1518 View Post
    That helps a lot, thank you!
    Been looking at them, driven one twice, locally hadn't gotten a very good price, been looking further away. One dealer is a "Sams Club" dealer and I got a very good discount offered to me thru them, but they are 285 miles away and I'd like to not have to travel so far. We will see.
    Try using the discounted offer as a bargaining chip against your more local dealers to see if they will budge. I was lucky that one of the three local subie dealers was more responsive to my wife an I and gave us pricing we wanted to begin with. We negotiated on other aspects of the car purchase.

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    I've put about 1500 miles on mine at this point. Lifetime fuel economy average is about 33 or so MPG. Not bad.

    Mine was marked at $22,400. That happened to be exactly what Edmunds said I should pay with the optional stuff it had, so I didn't fight them on the price. My battles came from the financing and the trade in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois View Post
    We put a 1Upusa rack on it now. Having the option for 1 rack is cool since it keeps access to opening the hatch easy. And it's actually legal as the license plate is not blocked. The 2 rail system is probably ok according to the law since the plate is mostly visible.
    How is the this rack and the Yakima installed on the 1.25" hitch? Is a there any noticeable side to side sway or looseness when driving rough or curvy roads?

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    Here's our XV with the Torklift hitch and a Kuat NV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eazy_E View Post
    I've put about 1500 miles on mine at this point. Lifetime fuel economy average is about 33 or so MPG. Not bad.

    Mine was marked at $22,400. That happened to be exactly what Edmunds said I should pay with the optional stuff it had, so I didn't fight them on the price. My battles came from the financing and the trade in.
    Had a Nissan for 3 weeks since March this year. Finally got them to admit its a lemon. Hoping for a check over replacement so I won't have a new trade in when going into the dealer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crux View Post
    Had a Nissan for 3 weeks since March this year. Finally got them to admit its a lemon. Hoping for a check over replacement so I won't have a new trade in when going into the dealer.
    Bummer you got a lemon, which model? I guess every car company has a couple.

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    I've had 7 bikes on mine. Three on the roof, four on the hitch. Ran fine up the canyon from Salt Lake to Park City. Best mountain biking car made IMO. Mines been to Fruita Co, Moab, Sun Valley Id and Jackson Wy. 6500 miles and average about 29mpg with the roof rack always on. It fits tons of stuff with the back seat down. I love mine.
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    That is incredible Silentfoe! What hitch did you use? I really want a torklift invis but can't seem to find one for less than retail..
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    Can anyone suggest to me where I can get the best price on a Torklift invisi hitch, or coupons, "senior discount", 10% off if I bring brownies to the seller, whatever, please?
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    I use a Thule sidearm x 3 on the roof with Thule aero rails and feet. I use a Thule T2 with 2x add on on a curt 2" hitch on the rear. Solid and it holds all the bikes without touching frames. It will touch on the ground if I go through a deep dip but I rarely have the 2x add on attached. Besides being a mountain bike guide, I also teach a Mountain bike touring and camping course at the University of Utah. Those kids always have cars but never the ability to carry a bike. I always think to myself that I should take a picture and then by the time I get to the trailhead, I get distracted and forget. Someday.
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