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    Quote Originally Posted by pulser View Post
    Kind of wondering how many of you have the manual? I am looking at the Forester with the 6sp. I don't like the interior as much as the XV. But I have to commute an hour each way every day and the speed limit is 75. The lack of a 6th gear makes me think its going to get crappy MPGs.
    I have a manual and enjoy using it. A 6sp would indeed be nice for highway cruising but I get by without it. My mpg is in the high 20's, mostly highway driving.
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    I can provide some insight on the crosstrek versus the 2015+ outbacks as well as a comparison to the 2002-2007 wrx's and the 2008-2009 outback xt's. I started my subaru ownership with a 2003 wrx wagon, modded it to a 'stage 2' tune and basically turned it into a street legal race car that handled the corners great but was lucky to get 18-20 mpg at 21 psi of boost. The turbo started leaking at the seals around 125k, but no major failures beyond that. I did 100% of the work myself.
    I owned that car for 5 years until I foolishly sold it, it still runs great.

    I flew down to Texas to pick up the unicorn car I searched for for 1.5 years, a 5 speed 2009 outback xt. It was a texas car its entire life...at least I thought so...9 months after I bough it and drove it 20k the car stopped accelerating on a 500mile road trip. First time a subaru left me on the side of the road. The vf40 turbo shaft broke at highway speeds and I bought a vf-52 to replace it and within the first 30 miles a rod bearing spun. I replaced the oil cooler and all associated parts, but I'm assuming there was a fragment or particle from the broken turbo shaft that made it's way into the rod bearings before I could get the engine off, thus destroying the entire bottom end. $5,000 later and a $2500 re-enbursement from the dealer I bought it from (I didn't purchase a warranty from them and they were kind enough to help me out on the repair) I had the car inspected and it turns out the transmission was previously worked on and the rear driveshaft had been worked on as well. I assume the car was possibly modded at one point or driven very hard. I traded this in on a 2014 crosstrek premium. A few months later the buyer somehow contacted me and explained that the heads on the xt had burnt up a few valves, he purchased an extended warranty and had it relaced to the tune of $3500. I was glad I got rid of the car.

    Fast forward two and a half years ago, I buy the crosstrek for 21k with 7k on the odometer. A previous rental car from Colorado I was in love with the looks of it, but the interior left much to be desired. Hard plastics and minimal at best.

    I drove the car with zero issues up to 51k and tons of road trips for racing and camping. I found a buyer for my car and a private owner who had a 2015 outback premium for sale for 20k with only 39k on the odometer. I was sold instantly, the car had only 30hp more than the crosstrek but felt much more powerful. The interior and auto climate control were leaps and bounds ahead of the XV and the cargo space was fantastic. Front seat room was also great and being 6'2" I always felt a bit cramped int he XV. The outback also has power seats and nicer options like the projector headlights and infotainment system, led tail lights, better suspension, higher towing capacity and overall a more refined feel to it. I would say for 9 out of 10 to go with the outback

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    Picked up a '17 limited on Friday, had the windows done yesterday, logged right at 300 miles so far and couldn't be happier!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by pulser View Post
    Kind of wondering how many of you have the manual? I am looking at the Forester with the 6sp. I don't like the interior as much as the XV. But I have to commute an hour each way every day and the speed limit is 75. The lack of a 6th gear makes me think its going to get crappy MPGs.
    ex-gf had the cvt, i got a manual. i honestly like the cvt better.

    the manual's a little more fun for tight mtn road driving, but the cvt seems to make it run at lower rpms overall (don't need as much gas pedal to get the same oomf), definitely runs lower rpms at highway speeds and is obviously smoother around town.

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    Quote Originally Posted by burgrat View Post
    How does the addition of the sunroof decrease clearance? I would think the opposite. I had a sunroof in my old Subaru Outback and it didn't decrease headroom at all.
    the sunroof mechanism/motor drops down into the car, so they lower the headliner across the whole thing a few inches to accommodate it.

    i'm 6'5 and think the non-sunroof XV has plenty of room, both headspace and leg room.

    had a '14 ram 2500 (with sunroof) and my head would touch the ceiling if i sat perfectly straight up.

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    Just a little update; I'm just over 500 miles on the clock now, display shows 33mpg average pulling the mountain to the office and back. And while it's no powerhouse, some of the reports in here had me really worried. But I'm happy to say the power is perfectly adequate for my needs. Still very happy with my purchase.

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    display is bs,set your odometer at fillup and do the math for an accurate figure.

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    I'm going to do that as well, then adjust the display accordingly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nomit View Post
    the sunroof mechanism/motor drops down into the car, so they lower the headliner across the whole thing a few inches to accommodate it.

    i'm 6'5 and think the non-sunroof XV has plenty of room, both headspace and leg room.

    had a '14 ram 2500 (with sunroof) and my head would touch the ceiling if i sat perfectly straight up.
    No. I read your post and looked at my car with the sunroof. Where the sunroof is itself, it's the same height as a regular roof. Yes, it does have lower parts but not over where your head is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtyoffroad View Post
    display is bs,set your odometer at fillup and do the math for an accurate figure.
    I've found it pretty accurate on all my vehicles.

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    LOL, dammit, I always forget that MTBR doesn't support Imgur.
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    Got to drive it in the snow for the first time today. I've owned a number of 4WD rigs over the years, and I'm highly impressed with the Subie.
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    What do you guys think about the Imprezza hatch? I'm shopping cars right now and I keep going back to one of those. From the internet the back seats look big enough for two car seats but I haven't actually tried to put them in one yet. From the various SUV's I've owned I'll have something lying around that will get a bike on the roof.
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    Have a 2013 Impreza hatch sport premium as my daily driver. I shopped both the Mazda3 and Ford Focus. The deciding factor for me was the Impreza back seat room and access was better. Don't know about car seats b/c my kids were out of car seats when I bought it. The only negative for me (and it's a minor one) is how low it is to the ground. Getting in and out when I'm sore is when I notice it. Although, that is a plus for putting bikes on roof rack. The 2017 is a bit lower and roomier. If I were to get another it'd be a Crosstrek. However, this car is fun to drive, reliable, solid in the snow and gets decent mpg for an awd.

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    That's good info, thanks! At my price point I'm looking at used crosstrek, new Impreza or used legacy. The foresters and outbacks go for crazy money around here.

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    All Subarus have high resale value. One of the perks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carthief View Post
    That's good info, thanks! At my price point I'm looking at used crosstrek, new Impreza or used legacy. The foresters and outbacks go for crazy money around here.
    Isn't a base Forester maybe a couple grand more than the Impreza? Looks like people are paying around $22-23k for a Forester around here. You may even be able to get a better deal than that for a 2016 left over right now. I've got 2 kids in an Outback. Room is adequate. A neighbor had a 2010 Impreza with 2 kids in car seats, and they fit fine in the back. But cargo room was a bit lacking with the two kids on trips.

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    More like 4k difference in base price. The Forester starts out higher priced than the Crosstrek by about $1k.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HPIguy View Post
    More like 4k difference in base price. The Forester starts out higher priced than the Crosstrek by about $1k.
    Base price is one thing, but actual sales price may be closer. According to truecar anyway. Remember different models have unique incentives/rebates from the company/dealer.

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    Excellent point. I know at least in this area, Subies are extremely popular, and the more popular the model the closer to MSRP you're going to pay.

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    Considering getting a 2017 impreza hatchback or crosstrek. Anybody know what the current IMBA discount is - invoice, invoice less 2%?

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    Check out Costco..... They have a large program for buying cars through them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carthief View Post
    What do you guys think about the Imprezza hatch? I'm shopping cars right now and I keep going back to one of those. From the internet the back seats look big enough for two car seats but I haven't actually tried to put them in one yet. From the various SUV's I've owned I'll have something lying around that will get a bike on the roof.
    We have twin 1yr old boys. The back seat fit their infant seats (Chico) and now their toddler (Diono) seats just fine. They also fit the Forester as we have one of those too.
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    So are these XV's roomy enough to put a bike in the back with the rear seats folded down? I searched through several pages of this thread but all I saw were bike racks.

    I have a couple of buddies with Outbacks and I've been eyeing them but like the compactness of the Crosstrek.

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    I don't own one but I don't think so. I have a '06 Forester and I'm short enough that I can get any of my bikes in back, but not with much room left. I've compared my dims with the XV and it looks like it is too short. Probably a deal breaker for me.
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    My XL Fuel EX 9 fits just fine with the front wheel removed.

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    large El mar with front wheel off fits fine.

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    Yeah, I should have specified that I was talking about with front wheel on. I hate taking my front wheel off, but when it comes time for a new car, I should reconsider. I'm hoping my Forester will make it over 200,000, I'm at 165,000 now so that will be a few more years.
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    Well, at least for me at my frame size, a vehicle that could haul the bike fully assembled would be a much larger vehicle and thus get worse mileage. It only takes me 30 seconds to remove or replace my front wheel, and I have a hitch rack as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HPIguy View Post
    Well, at least for me at my frame size, a vehicle that could haul the bike fully assembled would be a much larger vehicle and thus get worse mileage. It only takes me 30 seconds to remove or replace my front wheel, and I have a hitch rack as well.
    +1 to the hitch rack solution. Easy to mount, can carry multiple bikes, and leaves space inside for other stuff.

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    Yep, gears bags, camelback, etc go in the car. And I don't have to worry about all the crud from my ride falling off the bike on the road trip home, and the subsequent cleanup.

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    I don't know of any car that size that could swallow a MTB with the front wheel on. You're looking at a minivan/Transit, or full-size van.

    I think HRV probably comes close, but I doubt it would fit in there, either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stremf View Post
    I don't know of any car that size that could swallow a MTB with the front wheel on. You're looking at a minivan/Transit, or full-size van.

    I think HRV probably comes close, but I doubt it would fit in there, either.
    See my original post above, I get my MTB with front wheel on in the back of my 2006 Forester. I'm only about 5'-9" with shortish legs so it won't work for all. I also have two roof racks. I have a 5x7 tarp to put down if the bike gets really dirty.
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    Good to know. I could've sworn I tried it in my Outback and didn't fit ('13). But that was years ago, and have been using a hitch rack ever since.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stremf View Post
    Good to know. I could've sworn I tried it in my Outback and didn't fit ('13). But that was years ago, and have been using a hitch rack ever since.
    My Kona Wo (fat bike, large frame, Bud and Lou) fits with no problems with the front wheels on in an '05 Outback, which is probably closer in size to the current Crosstrek than a newer Outback.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tillers_Rule View Post
    So are these XV's roomy enough to put a bike in the back with the rear seats folded down? I searched through several pages of this thread but all I saw were bike racks.

    I have a couple of buddies with Outbacks and I've been eyeing them but like the compactness of the Crosstrek.
    I've put my XL road & mtb in the back without issue, taking off the front wheel, of course. Have a rack now though, much more convenient.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Utard View Post
    Considering getting a 2017 impreza hatchback or crosstrek. Anybody know what the current IMBA discount is - invoice, invoice less 2%?
    Aren't they basically the same car (engine, interior, body style), aside from suspension?

    Unless you're using it exclusively in the city, not sure why you'd go Impreza.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Utard View Post
    Considering getting a 2017 impreza hatchback or crosstrek. Anybody know what the current IMBA discount is - invoice, invoice less 2%?
    Imba gave me the "retailers invoice price". Car dealer said it was better than Costco deal and that True Car price had the least discount.

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    I have a 2014 XV that I have been ripping for a couple years. Up to 55k miles in 2.5 years. I have been using a Thule square bars system on the crossroads. I just bought a frontloader and used it on a 30ish pound stumpy and it was great. I found a good deal on CL and was thinking about picking up another. My question is can I put a 43 pound bike on a frontloader for a long trip? What is the weak point of my setup? My crossroads were used and are likely pretty old but show not sign of damage. I have put large canoes, jon boats and kayaks up there for long highway trips with no problems. I was thinking I would use a few extra clamps and a ratchet straps to the runner bar from the frame. I am just worried about causing an accident and losing my DH bike. Its a 2008 Giant Glory 0. The weight capacity of the front loader is 40lbs and I am setup much wider than the 18" required spread.

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