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    ... and if we just ... Subaru outback or VW Jetta Wagon TDI?

    Im in the market for a new car, Im looking at Subaru outbacks and the VW Jetta Wagon. I really Like the TDI the jetta offers, but the outback is 4-wheel drive. I live in south Florida and my job requires me to do alot of driving, Right now I have a SUV and the gas milage is Killing me. NOT LOOKING TO MAKE ANTI SUV RANT....PLEASE DON'T START. If anyone has any experience with these cars please let me know.

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    You probably already know this, but the VW TDI has a very active aftermarket crowd. Some Google searchs will probably find some of their forums. In particular, I understand that they are increasing the turbo boost to get something like 140hp while still getting over 40 miles per gallon.

    I don't own one, so this is just what I read when I was also looking into one.
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    Yeah, I have been reading on vwvortex.com about them.
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    I can't say anything about the Subaru but we have a '97 Jetta GL (they didn't have the TDI at the time) that has about 110K mile on it and its still going strong. TONS of trunk space! I've never seen a "small" car with that much space and still be comfortable in the back seat. I can fit my bike back there w/o taking the wheel off- I have a 15" frame though.

    My husband drives about 55 miles/day to and from work and fills up the tank every 7 or 8 days. He's love to have the TDI for his commute!

    But, we really love it and he's planning on getting a Passat later this year b/c we like the Jetta so much.

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    Man...
    I don't know, I would think you're on the verge of going bigger...

    Audi A4 or S4 Avant.
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    Audi Allroad

    Don't discount this bad boy either:
    Volvo V70R 300hp.

    My comments on the VW Jetta are it absurdly tiny rear seat and lack of rear leg room. I was looking at that car as a sedan and was blown away. I ended up getting a Volvo 850R. Volvo>VW.

    Also, check out the Volvo V50.
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    Can't see where AWD is going to do you a whole lot of good in SoFla. The real advantage is in snow country.
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    agree

    Quote Originally Posted by wooglin-at-home
    Can't see where AWD is going to do you a whole lot of good in SoFla. The real advantage is in snow country.
    Yeah, 4WD in Florida? Why?

    FWIW, I like Subaru's and have had mixed experiences with VW's.

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    The reason for the 4wheel drive in florida is that Im a new construction home inspector. Some time I have to go down some not so great roads.

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    None of them have a transfer case, or much ground clearance, so I wouldn't want to "really" use them off road. I've always found that fwd worked fine, even in muddy or sandy conditions. Takes a bit of thought. But works. In super slick mud it isn't hard to get stuck even with AWD. Do any of them have locking differentials?

    I'd want a reall 4x4 if I was going to have to go offroad/sand/mud. Maybe a four door Toyota or Nissan pickup.

    But then I'd rather have a Forester or Jetta TDI for on road and use my bike off road!
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    Consumer reports rates these cars equally high overall. They give the VW higher marks for fit and finish if body panels and interior trim. They give the Outback higher marks for interior space. I drive an old '96 Outback for a work truck. I really abuse it and the suspension at 145,00 mi. is just as stiff as ever. AWD is very useful to me at work (residential construction) and biking (Chattahoochee national forests). My personal opinion is that the Outback will suit you better if you use the vehicle at work. However, if your not in a hurry you might wait till late summer when 2005 models become available. Ford is introducing a larger AWD wagon called the Freestyle, and Mazda has a wagon based on the Mazda6 sedan. Check out coverage of the 2004 Detroit auto show.

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    I say you can't go wrong either way. I have a '96 GTi and an '87 Jetta, both with a zillion miles, and they both are solid cars. I have many buds with Subies (frickin hippies and they are all thrilled with them. My opinion is that the Jetta is more capable on-road than the Subie. VW just has their act together when it comes to handling and railing in corners. Gobs or torque, and where you need it, in the low band of the RPM range. IMO, the VW stuff sings on the road to me in a way that Asian cars do not, Subies included.

    That said, reliability tends to be better on the Subies. VWs have more issues, but not so many that I'd steer you away from them. VW motors tend to go for high mileage and stay tight. I'm up to 126k on the GTi, over 220k on the Jetta, and my old Scirocco had 310k before I sold it. All still going strong.

    Subie's AWD is a nice system, but consider that you have to drag an extra 400 lbs of AWD gear with you at all times, dragging on your car's efficinency. Real world Subies tend to get around 25-26 MPG, which is a lot of gas for a small car. The gas Jetta gets closer to 30 MPG. I wonder how the new 6 speed manual fares?

    Also the Diesel VWs, as most diesels, spew a lot of pollution compared to Gas. OTOH, you use 40% less fuel to begin with.

    I'm considering the same issue myself. The old beater Jetta needs to be retired at some point, and I'm still drooling over having AWD capabilities in a good street car, or getting the same old sameold I've been buying since I was 16. I really dig the way VW puts cars together, but something that handles mud and snow, and still handles on an on-ramp carosel really appeals to me. I can learn to live with the lack of refinement in the looks of the Subie, but the Jetta is soooo attractive, especially with the sport package with 17" wheels.....tastey!

    So, sorry, I'm no help! I'm split too!

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    So what it comes down to is this: Do you REALLY need the AWD of the Subie? I'd suspect maybe not. FWD cars can be surprisingly capable on gravel, you just gotta be careful and precise.

    And this comes from a two Subie family. Like many here, we'll be looking soon, and the TDi is a strong contender. Boosting the boost to get 140hp is certainly appealing too...I'll have to look into that one!
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    ... and if we just ...

    Thanks for all your help...Im just going to keep on reading and doing my Pros and Cons for now.

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    Having mucho experience with VWs among friends and myself I'd advise getting an extended warranty for as long as you are likely to own it if you decide to get it. They almost always have issues that can get very expensive if not warranteed. The VW is probably a nicer driving road car though.

    I don't know many people with Subarus but among those that have them they don't have many breakdowns and are very happy with them.

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    Wink Any way you slice it.....

    Quote Originally Posted by airbag
    Im in the market for a new car, Im looking at Subaru outbacks and the VW Jetta Wagon. I really Like the TDI the jetta offers, but the outback is 4-wheel drive. I live in south Florida and my job requires me to do alot of driving, Right now I have a SUV and the gas milage is Killing me. NOT LOOKING TO MAKE ANTI SUV RANT....PLEASE DON'T START. If anyone has any experience with these cars please let me know.
    The Outback is a great CAR. My wife (aka Spike) has had hers for almost 4 years now. It's been very reliable, gets great mileage and is great for hauling all the stuff associated with outdoor activities. She has a hitch mount rack for the bikes and lately we've just been throwing the skis in the back when we go XC. You cannot beat the AWD system on Subarus either. The car handles the road like it's on rails. Very sure footed. I've had a V-Dub in the past and they're well made cars. To me, the Outback is more geared to outdoor activities. I wouldn't mind getting one some day, but the his and hers Outbacks in the driveway might look a bit too cutesie.

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    If you get a subaru, get either the 6 cylinder model or a stick. The 4-auto is simply gutless.

    I've owned both a GL (1988) and a VW Jetta ('97) and the Jetta has been more reliable (knock on wood.)

    When I lived in Tahoe and Montana, the Subaru was key. In FL, no reason to get a 4wd IMHO.

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    Having had two VW's, a 93 Corrado SLC and 96 Jetta GLX I doubt I would ever buy a VW again. They were nice cars and super fun but honestly, their reliability was less than impressive. They had all sorts of failures in stupid little things, then all sorts of electrical problems and overall were just a maintenance nightmare. In 2002 I decided to buy a Subaru Impreza and so far I have been loving it. I drive about 60 miles to work, the car has almost 40,000 miles on it already and has not even given the slightest problem so so far so good.
    As far as the driving goes I honestly prefer the feel of the subaru. It feels more stable at high speed than the Jetta, definately corners better, and the AWD makes a noticeable difference particularly in wet roads. After driving an AWD car I would definately consider it a strong point for any other car I buy in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zonic Man
    If you get a subaru, get either the 6 cylinder model or a stick. The 4-auto is simply gutless.

    I've owned both a GL (1988) and a VW Jetta ('97) and the Jetta has been more reliable (knock on wood.)

    When I lived in Tahoe and Montana, the Subaru was key. In FL, no reason to get a 4wd IMHO.
    The only knock I have against Spike's car is it is a tad gutless. She doesn't have a heavy foot like me, so it doesn't bother her. If I were to get one a few years ago (before the 6 cylinder), I would have got the manual tranny. The 6-banger is definitely a better choice I've heard. I really should test drive one. There is a dealership here in town which has an "obstacle course" for you to try in an industrial area. When Spike bought her car, I got to try one out and I couldn't believe the things he was letting us drive over and through. He had me hitting potholes at high speed, going over curbs without slowing down, and climbing some very steep hills. It was great fun.

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    Airbag, it sounds like you've had your fill of opinions, but now that you've created the best Subaru forum on the net you have an obligation to inform us of what you decide to buy. Good luck man.

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    yeah Will let everyone Know what I end up with, and thanks again for all the great post.

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    The HS3.0 is definitely not gutless. It has lots of torque and if you are driving along you gotta be carefull with the gas because too much will cause you to rocket forward when it downshifts. Definitely not in a lethargic fasion. I've also driven the 4cyl ones as well, and like zonic says, there's not much too it.

    I agree with most people though, AWD is virtually a necessity in some areas, while in others you might as well save the gas because it will never really help you. In many places a good FWD, maybe with some traction control like I have, is all you'll never need. It'll get through some pretty nasty icy/snowy conditions as well. True AWD is greatly superior, but unless you get a lot of snow, have a lot of hills to go up and down, have completely ice-over roads, it's not needed.

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    I wish I got 25-26mpg on my 2000 Outback...

    ... but it's more like 22-25 when I drive "normally." It can get a little better if I don't, oh, I don't know, use the gas pedal to accelerate, and can get a lot worse when packing four guys and bikes. It is awesome in the snow and on fireroads, though. I'm glad I have it this winter.

    I don't know for a fact, but I've heard the TDI motors burn as clean as gasoline motors, and the gas milage is great. Since my Outback is pretty damn slow, I can't imagine the TDI is dramatically slower.

    Bottom line: Can you fit four guys, their bikes and their gear comfortably in the TDI wagon, and do you need to do so? You can, in fact, do this with the Outback.

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    Sort of had both...

    I had a Passat TDI (a '97, I think) and it was nothing but trouble. That was back in the day of the 2 year/24k mile warranty. Things went south about 2 weeks after I hit 24k. Too much to list but I got out of the lease early. I would hope that they have worked the bugs out by now but people really seem to love or hate VWs.

    My next car was a 2001 Outback wagon. Loved it so much my wife got one too. Around 30k, I smelled maple syrup. Smelled it a few weeks later on my wife's car (she was around 25k. Turns out both cars needed the head gaskets replaced. After that happened, we both ditched the cars.

    I have 13k on a 2003 4Runner SportEdition V8 and she has about 3k on a 2004 Highlander V6 AWD. We love both of them so far.

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    didn't you get an MB wagon?

    Maintenance intensive, but cool. I was hot on a 300TE for a year, but the maintenance has since scared me away.

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    Love My VDC

    I've put over 50,000 miles on my 2002 Subaru VDC since I got it in July of 2002. Solid 90 mph cruising under most highway conditions. The H6 motor has lots of power, and the easily accessible 3rd gear helps keep the revs up. It's definitely a compromise between off-road and highway. Feels a bit harsh in the dirt, and a bit squishy when cornering hard on the road. But it's been a good compromise for me. Like a lot of Subaru owners, my next car will probably be a Subaru, too.

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    Looks good,
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    Had a 300TE 4Matic...

    and it was too much to keep up. The body and frame were in near-showroom condition but I ended up putting too much into it. Sold it for what I got if for but had put in over 4 grand in 6 months! Hoping for 250K on the Toyota!

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    My new car 2003 Subaru Wagon

    Looking for information. I purchased a 2003 Outback wagn and I love it. But, at 1400 miles the roaters warped and I needed new pads all the way around. Dealer claims it's my fault but they would go ahead and turn the roaters and put on new pads. I was upset but I let them do it. I felt I should get new roaters. I don't abuse the car I'm a 45 female conservative driver. Anyways, now I;m having trouble with the car starting when it's cold outside. I live in SO CAL so it's not that cold. Even happens when the car is in the garage over night. Does anyone have any info for me?

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    First off, I'd try an automotive site, not an MTB site.

    Your rotors should not have problems at 1400 mi. unless you were riding the brakes the entire time.

    I have a '97 Outback that starts fine even in -20F conditions (not garaged, either).

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    Warped Rotors

    My rotors warped almost immediately after I bought the car. The dealer replaced the pads and resurfaced the rotors under warranty. If your car is still under warranty, I think the dealer should have done the same for you. But they don't really need to be replaced. Resurfacing will be fine. Since my rotors were resurfaced I've been careful not to come to a full stop when they might be very hot. In other words, I stop leaving a little room to roll, then I roll forward a couple of times. Stopping and keeping the brakes on when the rotors are hot is one of the main things that can cause your rotors to warp. However, I've heard enough about warped Suby rotors that I think it might be inherent in the design or a QA problem. It's not that big of a deal to me considering the overall quality of the car.

    My car doesn't like the cold either. I live in Northern California and sometimes on cold mornings it's not very happy. That may have to do with California emissions or tuning because there are certainly plenty of people driving Subarus in climates a lot colder than where you or I live.

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    In addition to the 140hp as advertised you mustn't forget the stump-pulling torque that the aftermarket will yield for the TDI. We have a guy locally that got over 150 hp and 275 lb/ft of torque (at the wheels!!). We're talking John Deere levels here!

    The Jetta is nearing the end of its model cycle and as such has ironed out most of the glitches since its introduction. If as you say your job involves mucho driving I would think that the Jetta will really pay for itself in convenience (less time at the pump) and economy. The TDI's also hold their resale better than the gas engined ones. Either way you can't go wrong - the subie is a great vehicle also. If you want a bit of extra room you may want to wait and see if any of your local vw dealers get the new Passat TDI in. It has the 2.0 litre gasser engine in it and will probably have more cojones as a consequence.

    I'll admit to being a bit of a VW fanboy - I love my 1.8t Passat wagon and vwvortex is my home from home.

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    I have a subaru wrx and just drove it too wyoming this weekend from boise and averaged 27 mpg through snow and over a mountain pass. Overall I have been very happy with my car.

    If you want a fun car get the wrx, it will dust the vw no problems. This car is great for driving on a lot of dirt fs roads out west.

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    I've owned a TDI for over two years now, and am almost at 78000kms. First thing, forget about vwvortex.com and head to tdiclub.com for all the info you want to know about TDI cars.

    I too looked at the Suby before I bought. The gas mileage on the Suby was quite a bit worse since it runs on gas, its heavier and has AWD. Also, the fit and finish of the MK4 Jetta's and Golf is simply superior than the plastic feel of the Subies I was looking at. Think German and Audi trickly down.

    I ski a lot and drive lousy road to places like Mt Baker under heavy snow. With snow tires, and front wheel drive and a 5sp manual, I never have a problem getting where I need to go.

    The TDI have greater NOX emissions, but half the carbon monoxide emissions of gasers. They use much less fuel and can be run on biodiesel unmodified if you want to run them on a renewable fuel source.

    The Audi A4 and S4 share the same size rear seat area as Jetta wagon. Golf has a little more rear head room than all of these.

    The 2004 Jetta gets the newer, gutsier PD TDI engine with added horsepower and torque. There's fewer mod's available for this engine compared to the ALH engine, but that just a matter of time (euro's have had PD's for years now).

    There's a TDI Passat coming back to North America in 04/05. Its got a more powerful engine than Jetta, but is only available with auto tranny. Also, Jeep Liberty diesel 2.5L is coming to N.American for an upgrade of $2000, and gets 25mpg (the gaser gets 18mpg).
    So if you need more space than the Jetta wagon, consider the Passat.

    2005/06 we're likely to see an Audi A4 TDI like the euros have already. Obviously this will be at least 10K more than a Jetta so may not be your answer either.

    Lots of TDI enthustiasts are out there, so you've got a great resource network for help. They are easy to work on and are lower maintenance than gas engines. They have more torque for the HP and hence really fun to drive in normal road conditions (ie there's no autobahn in N.American for top-end performance). The TDI engine will last well beyond 400,000km and you cost of ownership will be very low per km.

    The diesels do take longer to warm up, so if you live in a cold area and only do trips less than 10min for 90% of your driving, I recommend you buy the Subaru instead.

    Hope this helps,
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    Resurfaced? You got jacked! I'd have made them replace them. You're going to have to replace them sooner now, since they had to cut off a ton of metal to get them even, and you're not going to have to deal with it until it's out of warranty. Jacked I say.

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    Mike,

    Thanks for the infor I will be reading all I can to get more info before I get a car...Im very much for the TDI. I had a vr6 a few years ago and Loved it, but I just had to have more room, it was a GTI. Thanks again for the Post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by airbag
    Im in the market for a new car, Im looking at Subaru outbacks and the VW Jetta Wagon. I really Like the TDI the jetta offers, but the outback is 4-wheel drive. I live in south Florida and my job requires me to do alot of driving, Right now I have a SUV and the gas milage is Killing me. NOT LOOKING TO MAKE ANTI SUV RANT....PLEASE DON'T START. If anyone has any experience with these cars please let me know.
    Since I've got a 2002 Outback and two friends with VW's, I'll put my belated $.02 in. If you want style at the risk of less-than-stellar reliability, get the Jetta. If you want a decent, reliable car that's not too fast and not too flashy, does nothing great, but does everything very well, get the Outback. Before I got my Outback, I drove a 1995 Grand Cherokee with the 4.0L six. Underpowered, cramped interior, unreliable, and it guzzled gas like, well, an SUV. My Outback has more storage area, more passenger seating area, better handling, about the same acceleration, but gets about 50% better mileage. I've put 21K miles on mine (my commute is almost 40 miles a day) of mixed highway, around town, and fire road driving, and the only "problem" I've had to have warranteed was the rubber seal around the driver's side window. I average 22 - 25 mpg, but I admit that I have a lead foot. My friends with VWs (one has a 2000 Passat and the other has a 2001 Jetta) literally can't keep them out of the dealer's repair shop. But, here's the best part - brand spankin' new off the dealer lot, with the upgraded stereo, winter package (that includes heated seats and a limited slip rear diff), and the 4 cyl automatic, I paid a grand total of....$21,900. I'm sorry, but there is no better value in any vehicle of its kind out there. So, long story short - if you value substance over style, get the outback!!
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    Nice looking car! But you've only got 21K on it- its still a baby and to say "if you value substance over style, get the outback!!" smacks of "car snobbery" . Every vehicle has its issues, pluses and minuses. We've got a '97 Jetta with 110K and the ONLY time its in the shop is for regular maintenance and the one time I got rear-ended. I can't say the same for my Windstar that only has 50K and has something weird going on everytime I turn around. We certainly didn't choose the Jetta over the Outback for its "style" (the Outback has better style in my book, anyway). The Outback, for the same minimal features was 10K more and repair parts and costs on the whole were more expensive. At the time, it was not a good buy-maybe things have changed since '97, but somehow I don't think repairs costs for the Subaru have gotten any cheaper.

    Anyway, my point is, they are both fantastic cars and whichever one fits his needs the best, is the one he should be getting.

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    Jacked

    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddy
    Resurfaced? You got jacked! I'd have made them replace them. You're going to have to replace them sooner now, since they had to cut off a ton of metal to get them even, and you're not going to have to deal with it until it's out of warranty. Jacked I say.

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    Good point

    I hadn't thought about it that way. Thanks for making me feel bad. Dick.
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    If it's a dead toss up between the 2...

    ... I'd say go spend a few minutes in each dealer. Check out the service department. See what the labor rate is, how clean the shop is, if they have loaner cars, etc. Then ask for prices on a few common maintenence parts like brake pads, tune-up stuff, blah, blah.
    Convince me

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    I KNOW! I tried and they told me no way. Depending what they tell me today when I pick my car up I will be writing a letter to Subaru. This is one of the rare times in a womans life when she wishes she was a man.
    Believe it or not, writing a letter to them can do a lot of good. My brother totaled one of my parents foresters(yes, plural) (but it was a POS anyway), and my parents wrote them a letter thanking them for making it so secure and strong(he rolled it down a hill into trees). Subaru wrote back and said that when we negotiate the price of a new subaru, at any time we choose, to call them up after negotiating the price and that they'd give us an additional few thousand off the price. Pretty cool juju there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kpicha
    Nice looking car! But you've only got 21K on it- its still a baby and to say "if you value substance over style, get the outback!!" smacks of "car snobbery" . Every vehicle has its issues, pluses and minuses. We've got a '97 Jetta with 110K and the ONLY time its in the shop is for regular maintenance and the one time I got rear-ended. I can't say the same for my Windstar that only has 50K and has something weird going on everytime I turn around. We certainly didn't choose the Jetta over the Outback for its "style" (the Outback has better style in my book, anyway). The Outback, for the same minimal features was 10K more and repair parts and costs on the whole were more expensive. At the time, it was not a good buy-maybe things have changed since '97, but somehow I don't think repairs costs for the Subaru have gotten any cheaper.

    Anyway, my point is, they are both fantastic cars and whichever one fits his needs the best, is the one he should be getting.

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    P.S. and what's with the guy in the background?
    1. Today, a Jetta TDI Wagon is at least as expensive as the 4 cylinder Outback, if not more, and it doesn't have the AWD and it has less cargo room. As for repair costs, I suppose that VW owners know much more about repairs and costs than Subaru owners!
    2. That's funny that you would state that someone who bought a $22K new car is snobby. It's a documented fact that Subarus are generally more reliable than VWs. If you want, I'll cite you to the 2004 Consumer Reports Buyer's guide. So, does it make me snobby to buy an affordable, efficient, reliable car? If so, guilty as charged. VW seems to be cornering the market on snob appeal recently with the Touareg ($48,000) and the Phaeton ($77,000).
    3. Michael, in the background, is clearly not normal, but we hang out with him anyway. He has that appeal kind of like when you slow down to look at a car wreck - scary, and you're glad it's not you!

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    Points well taken. I haven't been car shopping in that category since we bought the Jetta so i guess I shouldn't be surprised that things have changed. We must be in the minority in having a trouble free one. Ours was made in Canada and apparently the ones made in Mexico are the ones that don't have as good a record.

    I hope you didn't think I was actually calling you a snob! I think of Outback owners as adventerous types-certainly not snobs! Now, BMW owners, that's another story I think what irked me was the implication that Jetta owners who chose that over the Outback were superficial. Don't know why I took that personally - I guess I hadn't had my morning dose of caffeine so I wasn't thinking clearly I'll agree with you on the Tourag and Phaeton! Whew, I had no idea they were that expensive!

    Um, I think I'll pass on the third issue

    Thanks for the dialogue!
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    Quote Originally Posted by airbag
    Im in the market for a new car, Im looking at Subaru outbacks and the VW Jetta Wagon. I really Like the TDI the jetta offers, but the outback is 4-wheel drive. I live in south Florida and my job requires me to do alot of driving, Right now I have a SUV and the gas milage is Killing me. NOT LOOKING TO MAKE ANTI SUV RANT....PLEASE DON'T START. If anyone has any experience with these cars please let me know.
    hey guy, if you have been a member of IMBA for at least 6 months, you can get a subaru for a discount. I have been looking at these exact 2 cars. The TDI will not be sold in CA and MA (I am from MA) for 2004 due to emissions. I decided not to get it because it's tough finding mechanics that know the TDI. It's got a cult following for sure. I am just not that into cars. Basically, check if the dealers know the TDI, if so, it could be good. If not, I have heard of people having a tough time of it even getting oil changes done properly!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Earthpig
    Why on earth would you obscure the license plate number when posting that picture to the web?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kpicha
    Points well taken. I haven't been car shopping in that category since we bought the Jetta so i guess I shouldn't be surprised that things have changed. We must be in the minority in having a trouble free one. Ours was made in Canada and apparently the ones made in Mexico are the ones that don't have as good a record.

    I hope you didn't think I was actually calling you a snob! I think of Outback owners as adventerous types-certainly not snobs! Now, BMW owners, that's another story I think what irked me was the implication that Jetta owners who chose that over the Outback were superficial. Don't know why I took that personally - I guess I hadn't had my morning dose of caffeine so I wasn't thinking clearly I'll agree with you on the Tourag and Phaeton! Whew, I had no idea they were that expensive!

    Um, I think I'll pass on the third issue

    Thanks for the dialogue!
    Cheers,
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    I priced out the Jetta TDI wagon on the web, spec'ed like my Outback and it came to $23,208. I guess that's perhaps $1000 or so cheaper than a full price Outback, so you got me there on price. As for the "snob" comment, I admit I was a little harsh on the VW owners, because VWs are nice cars, but I'm a reliability geek and probably a little too married to the Consumer Reports. In fact, when my wife bought her Volvo wagon, I actually tried to talk her into at least test driving the Passat wagon, but she was not into it. Personally, if I was going to spend over $25K (but less than $30k) on a mid-size all-wheel-drive wagon, I'd choose the VW Passat "4 motion" wagon over the Outback H6. But, if the choice is only between the FWD Jetta TDI and the AWD 4 cyl Outback, the Outback is a better buy.

    (Personally, I'm waiting to see the 250 hp Legacy GT that's supposed to come out next year...and BTW, the guy grabbing his sack in the picture also drives a Subaru wagon! )

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    Why on earth would you obscure the license plate number when posting that picture to the web?
    Frankly, I dunno. I've always done that. I picked it up off the Jeep sites I used lurk on when I had my ZJ.

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    (Personally, I'm waiting to see the 250 hp Legacy GT that's supposed to come out next year...and BTW, the guy grabbing his sack in the picture also drives a Subaru wagon! )[/QUOTE]
    Oh yeah, that should be nice!

    LOL! i was going to say something snide about that second comment but I'll bite my tongue

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    Cool-blue Rhythm Subaru Outback or VW Jetta Wagon TDI

    Quote Originally Posted by airbag
    Im in the market for a new car, Im looking at Subaru outbacks and the VW Jetta Wagon. I really Like the TDI the jetta offers, but the outback is 4-wheel drive. I live in south Florida and my job requires me to do alot of driving, Right now I have a SUV and the gas milage is Killing me. NOT LOOKING TO MAKE ANTI SUV RANT....PLEASE DON'T START. If anyone has any experience with these cars please let me know.

    Speaking strickly for Subies. I just got the wrx wagon. It is a nice little car (fast as hell). I took it to mammoth the sameday I got it from the dealership. I live in the OC/LA Co area. It handdle 2 feet of snow way better than most SUV's. Im not much into cars but the only two things that I have read on some of the forums for Subaru owner are these: 1 Gas milage; mine is about 300 mpt. Mind you Im always doing 80mph and do comute about 80 miles from/to work everyday. 2 Tranny; Not from personal experience I have read of some peope having problems with their Subaru's, but this is due to abuse and modifications. Not knowing much of VW's I could not say anything negative about them. Over all I love my Suby and would not hesitate to purchase another one. Hey the Forester come with Turbo now days. If you are going to get a Subaru I would suggest you get the Forester as supposed to the Outback. Forester has more room, more power under the hood and more road clearance. I dont think you could go wrong with an Subaru but good luck with whatever car you end up buying.

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