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    I'm on the verge of buying the mini bomber - has anyone regretted their switch to Seasucker racks?

    Yakima is just too pricey honestly. It will cost me just over $700 for the rack with two bike carriers for my car.

    Ideally Id go with a hitch, but that isn't an option either.

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    I originally was looking for a nice Thule rack, but as strange as it sounds, they don't make a rack for my car!

    That's why I was turned on to the SeaSucker. Price is definitely putting me off at the moment. Does anyone know if there is a similar product by another company?

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    I don't think anyone else makes a similar product. But you never know with overseas markets!!

    But price is probably pretty close. But of course with a roof rack, you can add other attachments for other sports/luggage.

    On REI, bars $80, towers $170 and up, one bike attachment $99 and up, locks for four towers about $50.

    So a regular roof rack isn't cheap either.

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    I just put a deposit on a 2012 Hyundai Veloster with panoramic sunroof, and using the Yakima kit renders the sunroof unusable. This is probably the only way to roof-rack my bikes and still use the sunroof (by removing the seasuckers when the rack is not in use). Traildawg, as others mentioned the Killer App would be to have attachments for Thule or Yakima crossbars to enable carrying kayaks, skis, luggage boxes, etc. I guarantee you would sell a TON of those!!!! Any update on availability of such? I'll be your beta tester ;-)

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    Hey Puzman - I bought my Veloster about two months ago now. That was the main reason I posted in this thread.

    Hyundai is in the process of making a hatch mounted bike rack, so I think I am going to hold off until the Spring to see if it comes out. If you are in a hurry though I have heard the Yakima rack will work with the sunroof.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puzman View Post
    I just put a deposit on a 2012 Hyundai Veloster with panoramic sunroof, and using the Yakima kit renders the sunroof unusable. This is probably the only way to roof-rack my bikes and still use the sunroof (by removing the seasuckers when the rack is not in use). Traildawg, as others mentioned the Killer App would be to have attachments for Thule or Yakima crossbars to enable carrying kayaks, skis, luggage boxes, etc. I guarantee you would sell a TON of those!!!! Any update on availability of such? I'll be your beta tester ;-)
    Sunroofs are overrated.

    I''d be cautious about mounting the rack so that the load sits on the sunroof (if that's what you're thinking). Glass doesn't do well when shock loaded repeatedly. Neither do sunroof opening mechanisms.

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    Hey JD,

    Thanks, I'll probably use my old Saris Bones through the winter, and see what options are available in the spring. Ideally I'd like a rack system that'd work for both bikes and kayaks. Where did you hear about the rack Hyundai is making? Any more details about that? And how are you liking your Veloster?

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    zo i a really looking into one of theses racks seeing as how they don't make a rack for my car but... will these racks work with a bike that has a maxale or a 20mm thru axle front fork. seeing as how one of my bikes that i transport the most and the one that doesn't fit in my car with out taking apart is my dh bike this is why i need a rack. any info would be awesome

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    Quote Originally Posted by mzorich View Post
    zo i a really looking into one of theses racks seeing as how they don't make a rack for my car but... will these racks work with a bike that has a maxale or a 20mm thru axle front fork. seeing as how one of my bikes that i transport the most and the one that doesn't fit in my car with out taking apart is my dh bike this is why i need a rack. any info would be awesome
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    Personally, I would steer clear of these guys until its clear if they will survive or not. I sent an email to them asking some questions 3 or 4 days ago, and so far I have gotten no response. If they can't answer product questions from interested buyers in a timely manner, I would hate to try to get a response on warranty issues.

    It's a shame too, the product seems like a great idea, but the organization and distribution structure just doesn't seem ready for prime time. I live in the DFW metro, which is the 4th largest metro behind NY, LA, and Chicago. Of the 10 "nearest" distributors, the closest was over 500 miles away. Of those, I think only 4 even had websites, and of them, I think only 2 allowed online ordering. I am willing to bet that the 10 "nearest" distributors are the ONLY distributors.

    Again, not trying to be a jerk, it's a promising product, but the operation needs work, IMO. Which to me is an issue if I am gonna drop $300 on their product.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoisonDartFrog View Post
    Personally, I would steer clear of these guys until its clear if they will survive or not. I sent an email to them asking some questions 3 or 4 days ago, and so far I have gotten no response. If they can't answer product questions from interested buyers in a timely manner, I would hate to try to get a response on warranty issues.
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    Plenty of companies have an online only presence and are very successful. Having a limited distribution system isn't an issue. They've been around in the boat market for a while. For me the only problem is the material choice for the suction cups. It's too easily damaged. they could do better with higher quality rubber. The lip dents too easily and doesn't reform. So you have to store them quickly. Otherwise the quality is ok.

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    Call them, their sales reps are awesome people to talk to. I own sea sucker and love the product.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dovecom View Post
    Plenty of companies have an online only presence and are very successful. Having a limited distribution system isn't an issue. They've been around in the boat market for a while. For me the only problem is the material choice for the suction cups. It's too easily damaged. they could do better with higher quality rubber. The lip dents too easily and doesn't reform. So you have to store them quickly. Otherwise the quality is ok.
    Online only is fine, unless they don't answer emails. Then it's a huge problem. Still have not heard back from them, almost a week now.
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    They look nice, and I'm sure the vacuum works very well. But I, too, shied away from them, and bought a 1up rack instead.

    I sent an email to them asking 1) when would their NW sales rep. be in Oregon, so I could see a Seasucker system in person; and 2) why only a one year warranty?

    The guy who responded did not even answer the second question, and he said he had not "talked to his Northwest sales rep. in quite awhile". These raised some red flags for me.

    But again, I'd trust a Seasucker with my bikes any day, or at least the physics behind them. When I see more well-established bike shops carrying them (and when they get a better securing/locking mechanism), I may re-visit them.

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    Just got the mini bomber for 368 free shipping. Will give my thoughts when I receive it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoisonDartFrog View Post
    Online only is fine, unless they don't answer emails. Then it's a huge problem. Still have not heard back from them, almost a week now.
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    Got them. First glance, I like em. Put them right on, took like 5 minutes and now on to testing vacuum. Leaving them on see how long they last without showing orange. Definitely think they look sweet though, and I like that I can mount them however. Now I can enter my garage without having to unload the bikes first. Im gonna work on a modify for a stap for the rear wheel strap because that velcro is kinda weak. Very excited to try em out and hope they are as good as people say.




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    cman8: Keep us posted. I am only looking at the Talon, but would like as much feedback as possible about SeaSucker's components before I invest in the rack.

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    Left them on all night and No Vacuum loss on 5 out of the 6 cups. The one that lost some vacuum was on the fork part so I wouldnt be worried about that since even if one fails there are 3 more to support the weight. Its serious when people say that the only way these are coming off is if your roof is coming off. I lifted the rear wheel strap with all I had and the trunk started to bend up. I was literally lifting on the car. It would be cool to have an old junker to test these on and lift with a forklift to see them lift the car up.

    Will keep posting as I have more experiences and pictures.

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    I guess the issue is if there is a loss due to leak - dirt underneath or pump or cup failure. Then all that holding force could disappear instantly. That's my worry about these - other than that it looks interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnJ80 View Post
    I guess the issue is if there is a loss due to leak - dirt underneath or pump or cup failure. Then all that holding force could disappear instantly. That's my worry about these - other than that it looks interesting.
    The chances of all 3 cups leaking are about zero. One cup can hold 200lbs.
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    I wouldn't worry much about the cups leaking. There is redundancy in the system. I have only lost pressure in one cup, when going from sea level to 8000 ft. But the orange line was just barely showing. Just keep an eye on the rack, like any other rack, roof, trunk or hitch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irishpitbull View Post
    The chances of all 3 cups leaking are about zero. One cup can hold 200lbs.
    Sure. I get that. But a leaking cup can hold zero lbs (which is the point).

    But that's also presuming that the failure is not a design or manufacturing flaw that could impact all holding parts. These sorts of things do occur in production runs all the time (ask me about my Sears water softener sometime...). This is not a fail safe rack, it's a fail potentially catastrophic rack. If the read suction cup comes loose, the bike can snap around to the front in hard braking damaging both the car and the bike (for example).

    It's an interesting idea, but it's expensive and it is not foolproof as they might have you believe. I think it has promise but I'm not thinking I want to trust it with $5000 worth of bicycles either. I'd prefer something a little more less transiently attached to the car.

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    It's pretty easy to talk bad about something you have never seen or used. I have no issues or 2nd thoughts now about putting my $6000 FSR on top of my $55k car or $50k truck. I used my $3000 carbon hardtail when I was testing the product out. I was a bit nervoius the 1st time I used it. even if something did happen; 1 you shouldn't live your life paralyzed by fear and 2 you should never own something you can not afford to replace.

    My buddy had his Thule T2 rack fail at a trail and had to call me to pick him up with my sea sucker. His replacement then proceeded to fail again a few months later. Luckily I was there with my pickup and carted his bike home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by irishpitbull View Post
    It's pretty easy to talk bad about something you have never seen or used. I have no issues or 2nd thoughts now about putting my $6000 FSR on top of my $55k car or $50k truck. I used my $3000 carbon hardtail when I was testing the product out. I was a bit nervoius the 1st time I used it. even if something did happen; 1 you shouldn't live your life paralyzed by fear and 2 you should never own something you can not afford to replace.

    My buddy had his Thule T2 rack fail at a trail and had to call me to pick him up with my sea sucker. His replacement then proceeded to fail again a few months later. Luckily I was there with my pickup and carted his bike home.
    +1

    I have heard and seen some thule racks fail too. I personally have faith in the seasuckers just like I had faith in my thule racks, just happier that I only need one set of racks for all my cars. Working on getting the snowboard attachment on too. Pics coming soon.

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    Of course it is easy to talk about something I've not actually put my hands on. It's also pretty easy to understand something this simple and where it's problems lie. I'm not saying it's totally not a functional rack, I am just saying that it has a fairly significant catastrophic failure mode and it's dang expensive for what it provides. I also just don't put things that sit on the finish of my cars. I tend to have pretty nice cars and that seems to me to be false economy. Fixing a ding or paint is more than the cost of a rack in a hurry. That's all for me, but YMMV.

    I do think it's an intriguing concept though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnJ80 View Post
    Of course it is easy to talk about something I've not actually put my hands on. It's also pretty easy to understand something this simple and where it's problems lie. I'm not saying it's totally not a functional rack, I am just saying that it has a fairly significant catastrophic failure mode and it's dang expensive for what it provides. I also just don't put things that sit on the finish of my cars. I tend to have pretty nice cars and that seems to me to be false economy. Fixing a ding or paint is more than the cost of a rack in a hurry. That's all for me, but YMMV.

    I do think it's an intriguing concept though.

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    The Thule has zero redundancy built in. When that arm fails, by by bike. The seasucker has 3 points of redundancy on the cheaper model and more on others. So the risk ratio is less with the seasucker. Over 1000 miles have been put on my rack and my paint is showroom fresh.

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    Yup. I got the mini bomber and it has 4 points of contact. Agree with the no scratches, My Thule racks eventually gave my cars scratches that I would have to compound out on all cars I have bought and sold. With seasuckers, 0 scratches. I trust these and like these more than thule or yakima racks. Plus, they also adapt to many other applications, like carrying my snowboards.





    I like that I can mount wherever too.



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    Also as for the argument that its expensive, I was in that same boat. But then did the math,

    1 seasucker mini bomber (two bikes) $368 shipped. Add another fork mount to make it three $10. Total of $378 shipped.

    full Thule rack with three bike trays (Cheapest Bike trays available) = $724.70

    Ease of putting it on any other car, no problems= Priceless

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    That snow board setup is awesome.
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    Yup. Love it. In the future I might buy a couple of extra 4" cups and not use the two from the wheels and 2 from the bomber. But since they replace at a discount if they do mess up, Im not too worried.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cman8 View Post
    Yup. I got the mini bomber and it has 4 points of contact. Agree with the no scratches, My Thule racks eventually gave my cars scratches that I would have to compound out on all cars I have bought and sold. With seasuckers, 0 scratches. I trust these and like these more than thule or yakima racks. Plus, they also adapt to many other applications, like carrying my snowboards.





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    [QUOTE=irishpitbull;9071436]The Thule has zero redundancy built in. When that arm fails, by by bike. The seasucker has 3 points of redundancy on the cheaper model and more on others. So the risk ratio is less with the seasucker. Over 1000 miles have been put on my rack and my paint is showroom fresh.

    I don't agree and won't buy one, but that's me. All that would have to happen is for a leak to develop in the pump/valve and the thing is going to let go. Damage to the bike and the car would make the rack price a total don't care. So, that rack's not for me, but as I said before, YMMV.

    I drive my cars 200K+ miles and keep them in pristine shape the whole time (and they are top end cars). I don't put anything on the finish ever for any reason - period. End of story. That was a lesson learned the hard way.

    1000 miles on a rack? That's nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irishpitbull View Post
    The Thule has zero redundancy built in. When that arm fails, by by bike. The seasucker has 3 points of redundancy on the cheaper model and more on others. So the risk ratio is less with the seasucker. Over 1000 miles have been put on my rack and my paint is showroom fresh.

    I don't agree and won't buy one, but that's me. All that would have to happen is for a leak to develop in the pump/valve and the thing is going to let go. Damage to the bike and the car would make the rack price a total don't care. So, that rack's not for me, but as I said before, YMMV.

    I drive my cars 200K+ miles and keep them in pristine shape the whole time (and they are top end cars). I don't put anything on the finish ever for any reason - period. End of story. That was a lesson learned the hard way.

    1000 miles on a rack? That's nothing.

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    Its enought to know it out lasted 2 $750 Thule racks. Won't scratch my pricy sports car and I don't have ugly roof rack or hitch bolted to my car. Most importantly, it works and Your close minded.

    If you would me to get into dynamic pressures compared to the suction rating I can. A bike weighing 30pounds has dynamic weight less than 119 pounds. Well under the 200lbs rating for one cup.

    Edit: its more like 70lbs giving the bike 4ft of exposed frontal surface at sea level doing 88fps(60mph) not taking turbulance into account.
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    We're talking about failure modes here. If the cup or pump fails the holding power is zero. The case where everything works right all the time on every part is not the point (nor realistic).

    If you like your rack - great. I'm not buying one and I think it's a problem (who actually cares either way). Is this a great country or what?


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    Good thing there 4 different points to fail, not just one like you make it seem.

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    if the rear cup holding the wheel fails, what happens when you brake hard such as in an emergency stop especially if not straight? That would constitute a single point of failure. The bike would not remain on the rack in the position in which it was initially placed on the car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnJ80 View Post
    if the rear cup holding the wheel fails, what happens when you brake hard such as in an emergency stop especially if not straight? That would constitute a single point of failure. The bike would not remain on the rack in the position in which it was initially placed on the car.

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    Yet the bike is still upright and there is no damage done. And that is failure? Come on dude your case is weak.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnJ80 View Post
    if the rear cup holding the wheel fails, what happens when you brake hard such as in an emergency stop especially if not straight? That would constitute a single point of failure. The bike would not remain on the rack in the position in which it was initially placed on the car.

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    In that case then if the rear wheel strap of my bigmouth fails im screwed also. And I know that thing also gets worn out. Seriously I know people have their preferences but your arguments are almost invalid when compared side by side. Anything can really fail but really you hope and trust they wont.

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    @cman8 Clever way to get the snowboard rack onto the Seasucker cups. Did you have to do any drilling? And you are using two rear tire mounts too?

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    No drilling. Just went and bought 4 - 2 1/2"x1/4" Machine Screws. I used the two rear wheel straps and took two off the mini bomber. In a pinch I can still hook up the mini bomber if needed with 2 more outside cups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cman8 View Post
    In that case then if the rear wheel strap of my bigmouth fails im screwed also. And I know that thing also gets worn out. Seriously I know people have their preferences but your arguments are almost invalid when compared side by side. Anything can really fail but really you hope and trust they wont.
    I guess I'd rather place my faith in hardware than in a vacuum pump that can have a seal leak at any time. But that's me.

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    you mean the hardware that works on the principle of tension that can fail just the same? (Although not very likely) I dont say I dont trust the mechanical racks, but the case you do make against the suckers is very weak. Believe me if there is a bad seal you will know right away.

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    If, for example, a seal in the pump fails when it's on then you'll have a catastrophic failure. Generally, with more traditional racks there is more redundancy.

    But, like I said, if you want to use one - great. I'm not going to. Nice to have choices.

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    @johnj80 I agree that it is possible that one seal can fail, but the possibility of all failing simultaneously is pretty low. If you believe the specs, each one can hold 200lbs of force. All of the racks have at least 3 points of contact in the front, giving you about 600lbs. Lose one, down to 400lb. That seems like redundancy to me. Add the one suction to the rear too.
    And I agree, it is nice to have choice in the marketplace. For some people, this is the ideal rack. I use mine when my wife won't let me keep the bike in the trunk!!

    Actually, I think this rack could save oil!! Really!! Most roof racks create drag and if you only ride a few days a week, then you are losing some MPGs. I think my car lost about 3mpg with my roof rack and that is without a bike attached. The Seasuckers come off the car easily, negating this problem.

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    Do the math on the savings in miles per gallon with a rack on and off. This isn't an issue.

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    This is why I love this rack. Just got another car and guess what? I can still use my rack without any cutting of my bars or fit kits to buy. Up in 3 minutes. Held on all day and went on a 75MPH freeway ride.


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    Well I did the calculations below. This is the gas savings I would get if I didn't drive around with my old Yakima bike rack.

    My car gets about 30mpg on freeway driving. In this scenario, I am mainly freeway driving. More speed, more wind resistance. Anyways, leave my Yakima rack on without a bike, I am getting 27mpg.

    My tank is about 14 gallons.

    No rack. 30x14=420 miles on one tank.
    With rack and no bike 27x14=378 miles on one tank.

    420-378=42 mile difference. I am losing over one gallon of gas for every tank, which is about $4.35. Not horrible, but not energy efficient.
    Now if I stuck to city traffic, my savings would probably be less. But I am pretty sure I would lose about 1-2mpg.

    Just one of the benefits of using a removable rack.

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