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    New Ford Transit Connect van

    I'm looking forward to seeing if bikes will easily fit (upright, wheels on) in the new 2014 Transit Connect van. Looks like a mini Sprint van-lots of potential for customization...and they're predicting 30+mpg hwy with the Eco-boost motor.

    The long-wheelbase van features 130.6 cu. ft. of cargo space and can accommodate items up to seven feet long, five feet wide and nearly four feet tall.
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    The outgoing model would fit bikes with both wheels on, I would imagine the new one will as well, though I haven't checked one out in person.

    I wish they offered it with AWD and a manual transmission. Or even just a manual...

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    The outgoing model would fit bikes with both wheels on
    Really! I didn't think it would--looked too short and shallow with the seats folded. Do you mean it would hold one bike layed flat? I'm hoping with the new van option to be able to put bikes upright against the side walls and load camping gear, etc down the middle, like I do with my pickup with topper. (but with much better fuel economy!)

    I don't mind the automatic myself, but I agree an AWD option would be cool. I read one article online that said if this van sells well it may spur other automakers that don't have a pickup or any sort of hauler available to do something similar. Maybe Subaru would do one--that'd be cool!

    The propane conversion may be useful for fleet vehicles or something but I don't see any immediate need for it myself. Maybe if gasoline gets up over $5 down the road...

    This would be my first new car since 1997, so I'm hoping to pick a winner! Going to be driving it for a while. I need something reasonably small, (to fit in my garage) that hauls bikes plus gear easily, and get at least upper 20's mpg hwy. Also keeping an eye on the new 2015 Colorado. Not to mention whatever other car makers might come up with to compete with the Transit and the 'Rado...

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    Needs to be AWD or 4wd. I love my Chevy Express AWD van.

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    New Ford Transit Connect van

    I would like to see an interior picture of the shorter model. Possible Element replacement!?!

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    The outgoing model would fit bikes with both wheels on, I would imagine the new one will as well, though I haven't checked one out in person.

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    Got to see one of these in the flesh yesterday at my local dealership. Looks real promising for bike haulin'! I like the lines and proportions better than I thought I would--it doesn't look quite so unbalanced in person as in some of the pics. It looks much more compact than a real minivan. I'm pretty sold on it! Just have to wait til they get a few nicer ones in (the one I saw was a base, plain-jane XL utility version) to test drive and maybe fit a bike or two in just to make sure it'll work for me.

    I also have to figure out how to secure them upright. I'm thinking one or another of the truck bed-style racks should work...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dayvertset View Post
    The outgoing model would fit bikes with both wheels on, I would imagine the new one will as well, though I haven't checked one out in person.
    I have a 2010 and it appears the newer model may have slightly lower cargo height (49" new versus 52" old) if I'm reading the specs correctly. You can certainly load bikes upright with both wheels on in the old model and there is plenty of clearance so should be no problem with new model.

    Length of cargo area is about the same for short wheelbase (71.5" new 72.6" old). Looks like the new van has an 87.2" cargo length option. City mpg is worse for new model but highway mpg is much better.

    Transit connect is a GREAT bike hauler.

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    I'm trying to decide which motor I'd get if I get a Transit Connect. The 1.6t Ecotec motor is only rated for 1 more mpg by the EPA and costs $800 more. I'd imagine it might be a bit more spirited, have a little more power, etc. But the 2.5 base motor is a little boring but it's also a tried and true product. I understand the 1.6 ecotec has had a few problems with recalls and meeting it's EPA mileage ratings, and I wonder about it's long term reliability and durability.

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    New Ford Transit Connect van

    Anybody seen one of these in the wild or up close?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tennessee17 View Post
    Anybody seen one of these in the wild or up close?
    Yeah, I test drove an XL van at my local Ford dealership. Pretty nice ride, smooth, very car like, and tons of room for bikes and gear. Noisy though with that big, unfinished cargo area. I'm either going to get the wagon instead or have some custom sound proofing work done on a van, maybe add a bulkhead to divide the cargo area from the cab.

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    Also, the proportions of the thing are not bad--it's not so big as a "real" minivan. Looks more like a taller Mazda5-a somewhat inflated hatchback/wagon. I liked it better in person than I thought I would from pictures, where I was mainly drawn to it's apparent versatility rather than appearance.
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    I love these things. They're super practical and properly ugly. As it's been said AWD or 4WD would be nice.
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    They missed such an opportunity not bringing over the small diesel engine for these from Europe. I can't think of a car I'd like more.

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    I'm torn, because I'd like to get one and I have the means to do it soon. (once they actually start arriving in more numbers) But I'm hopeful that they might offer some features in 2015 that I want so I'm going to try to wait. AWD would be a welcome option, I agree, and I really want heated seats (but don't want to buy the Titanium wagon, which is the only way to get them in a 2014)

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    The towing capacity is pretty dismal.
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    They missed such an opportunity not bringing over the small diesel engine for these from Europe. I can't think of a car I'd like more.
    Can't agree more. Ford always lets Europe have the cool power trains. For instance, even an Escape can be had with a 2.0 turbo diesel, manual and awd. Bring on the diesel revolution here. I want a diesel!

    Edit: just checked out the site. They look pretty cool! Just to be clear, the short wheelbase version holds a bike upright or are you talking about the long wheelbase model?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 88five-oh View Post
    Bring on the diesel revolution here. I want a diesel!
    You have to keep in mind that EPA and Euro regulations were complete polar opposites of each other. One specified less NOx and the other specified less particulate matter. To accomplish either required different engine combustion design concepts and exhaust after treatment systems. Bringing the same engine to the U.S. would require a different engine design and aftertreatment system, diesels also cost several thousand more than gasoline engines. And gasoline is cheaper in the U.S.

    Plus 90% of american's are lazy and only drive automatics. Add to that diesels up until recently were very low power engines, which required more gears and a robust transmissions. So really you're forced to drive a manual until recently.

    Enter new enhancements in the last few years. Automatic transmissions are now adopting 6 and 8 speed transmissions, which are capable of handling the torque of a diesel. 6 gears is more than a typical 5 speed manual so the transmission is able to make use of the short power band of a diesel. So that part of the equation is solved by modern standards.

    The next is in 2015/2016 Euro V and EPA tier4 emissions will align with low NOx and particulate matter levels being nearly the same. This means that a diesel system designed for europe can be sold in it's current form without any reengineering. So you'll start to see more diesels enter into the united states in 2015/2016. Because with automatic transmissions, and better horsepower levels, they fit the american' lifestyle now. That couldn't be said in the early 2000's.

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    Interesting and good to know. Thanks for that post.
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    Then there's hope for the future! Thanks for the info.

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    New Ford Transit Connect van

    Thanks Neseth. Good to know. I'd love a small pick up with a diesel. I have a 2003 Tacoma. It's possible to swap a diesel into it but it's super expensive.


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    Quote Originally Posted by otis24 View Post
    Thanks Neseth. Good to know. I'd love a small pick up with a diesel. I have a 2003 Tacoma. It's possible to swap a diesel into it but it's super expensive.


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    The new Chevy Colorado/GMC Canyon pickups will offer an optional turbo diesel in the 4th quarter of 2015, FWIW...that's the other vehicle I'm considering as it happens. (probably not the diesel, though)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 88five-oh View Post
    ...Just to be clear, the short wheelbase version holds a bike upright or are you talking about the long wheelbase model?
    They're both the same height so bikes should fit upright in either one. The SWB cargo area will be real close to the same length as typical bikes, though, so I won't know how well they fit til I can see one in person. I like the SWB better so I hope they'll fit.

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    I wish you could get the wagon with interior trim and rear seats but with rubber floor instead of carpet back there. That'd be perfect for bikes with the option for people when necessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 88five-oh View Post
    I wish you could get the wagon with interior trim and rear seats but with rubber floor instead of carpet back there. That'd be perfect for bikes with the option for people when necessary.

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    You can-vinyl flooring is an option in the wagon (maybe not the top of the line titanium, but for sure in the XL and XLT) You can even get vinyl in the front if you want it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveF View Post
    The new Chevy Colorado/GMC Canyon pickups will offer an optional turbo diesel in the 4th quarter of 2015, FWIW...that's the other vehicle I'm considering as it happens. (probably not the diesel, though)
    Those look pretty nice. I am curious what kind of after market support for off roading those will have. Like a rear diff locker. I never thought I'd use the locker on the tacoma as much as I have.


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    There's a dealership not far from me that has both a short and long wheel base van in stock, side by side. Going to go over there after work with a bike and see how it fits! I'll try to get some pics...

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    Thanks SteveF!

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    Well, I took my tallest, longest bike (size medium, 27.5" Turner Burner) to the dealership and they were quite willing to let me roll it into these vans. First off, no pics-sorry. I'm embarrassed to say that I simply forgot. But I was able to draw a pretty clear conclusion.

    Both models are plenty tall to take a bike upright with wheels on. No overhead clearance issues at all.

    The short wheelbase van will hold an upright bike ok, but I had to slip the rear wheel in next to the back of the front seat and turn the front wheel at an angle, pointing the handlebar end into the rear corner of the van to fit it lengthwise. It's shorter than I'd hoped but is workable, especially if you are hauling only one bike. It might even be considered an advantage, since tucking the rear wheel in between the seatback and B pillar would serve as a bike rack/support. Tie off the front wheel to the rear tie downs and you'd be in pretty good shape.

    The long wheelbase van is better suited to my needs--the bike rolled in upright, dead straight and did not touch either the back of the front seats or the rear door. Room to spare! I foresee no trouble fitting two or even three bikes in this van, along with camping and related gear packed in around them...this is the one I would get. I'd just have to figure out a bike rack to hold them upright back there.

    The wagon models (with rear seats) are another kettle of fish altogether, and the above descriptions would not apply.

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    Thanks for checking! Looking at the ford specs, all dimensions are basically the same on the wagons, except on the LWB wagon the floor to ceiling height drops from 49" to 42", from the way the third row seats fold if I remember. That would not be enough to roll in my Surly, but it would definitely work with the front wheel off. Although if the wagon 2nd row seats flip forward to fold, that's another foot of length gone. Hopefully they drop into the floor. I'm interested in test driving one this spring to check it out. They have a front windshield with built-in defroster as an option, that sounds pretty slick.

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    Re: New Ford Transit Connect van

    These would be the perfect vehicle for me if they offered a hybrid or diesel option for better mpg. Also if it were made by Toyota instead of Ford.

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    i am seriously considering this vehicle as my mountain biking/adventuring transport hauler...was considering the element before but didn't like the fact that it is discontinued and can only be purchased used...

    hope some actual users can comment if they like it or not

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    Wow, after I got off this thread I seriously wasted an hour looking at pics of this online. I'm going to try to make a trip to the nearest Ford Dealer in a few weeks to take a look. My guess is that these vans aren't in high demand for personal users rather than commercial users so the Wagon versions may not be as readily available. I personally haven't seen much non-commercial use of this truck in Southern California which was why I was surprised when I discovered it online.

    Been wanting to get a Honda Element for the longest time as a bike/dog/camp hauler but just don't want to buy a used car and since the Honda Element is discontinued this might be the solution. Anyways will keep you all posted

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    They have a lot of potential for bike hauling but I have to admit I've cooled a bit on them since I did a test drive. The van version (best for hauling stuffs not peoples) is just a big metal box with two seats up front and it's very noisy. If I bought one I'd have to put in a bulkhead to separate the passenger and cargo area or drive with earplugs in. That would also make climate control settings much more effective. The cockpit is also very cheap and plastic-ey. Understandable, as it's basically an economy car with a big box in back. I haven't ruled them out, but I'm currently diggin' the new Colorado/Canyon trucks. Drove a Colorado last week and it was VERY nice. Quiet, refined, smooth ride, just felt quality throughout. Very impressive. Hope to see a Canyon later today, which should be even a bit nicer from what I've seen online!

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    Yeah, the Canyon is probably going to happen. What a GREAT truck! Classy exterior, and a refined interior that looks lifted right out of a recent Buick...



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    Quote Originally Posted by rachmak View Post
    Wow, after I got off this thread I seriously wasted an hour looking at pics of this online. I'm going to try to make a trip to the nearest Ford Dealer in a few weeks to take a look. My guess is that these vans aren't in high demand for personal users rather than commercial users so the Wagon versions may not be as readily available. I personally haven't seen much non-commercial use of this truck in Southern California which was why I was surprised when I discovered it online.

    Been wanting to get a Honda Element for the longest time as a bike/dog/camp hauler but just don't want to buy a used car and since the Honda Element is discontinued this might be the solution. Anyways will keep you all posted
    Did you get to check one out? What were your impressions?

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    Those new "small" pickups are HUGE. Looks about the same size as a full size pickup from the 90's

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    I'm holding out for the diesel Canyon. If it can get 33-35mpg, might be time to trade up.

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    Yep, they are notably bigger than my 1st Gen. Colorado. Much higher too. But they drive and handle pretty nimbly. I'd go with the extended cab over the 4 door-it's 14" shorter so hopefully it won't seem quite so big.

    The diesel is going to be a game-changer. I can't justify it for my needs but you're far from alone in wanting to check it out...

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    Rachmak, did you get a chance to take a look at one of the Transit Connects? I'd still like to hear your impressions...

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    @stevef and sorry for delayed response. i went the dealer to check out the circa and like the previous poster said, it's great for hauling gear but not people. So I basically had to reconsider whether this car would be practical for me for when i'm not riding my mtn bike (which is unfortunately too often).

    the cool thing is that you can go to a local dealership and custom order one so you can get the number of rows, window openings, rear open hatch opening that fits your preference. The type that would fit me would be to have a row of seats in the middle but not the back since if i was hauling a lot of people i would use a minivan, but this really begs the question on why I wouldn't just drive my minivan.

    The dream would be to set this up where I can go on long mtb road trips but the reality is that most of my riding is local where a sedan and platform rack (with lock) is more than plenty.

    Anyways, those are my thoughts. There is a cool website called Outside Van - Mercedes Sprinter Custom Conversion Camper Van Experts that sells some smoking vans. Fun to look through!!

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    Can a bench be purchased for a cargo van? I found this configuration online looking at Ford Transit Connect photos; it didn't have a description. I'll swing by a dealership, but I am curious what configuration this is; it looks like the cargo van (as that there aren't rear windows on the sides) with a bench seat that folds. I like this set-up as that the simple bench doesn't detract that much from the cargo area (as that I'm looking for a bike hauler/road-tripping vehicle), but still provides the flexibility for five people.
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    Hmmm, could be a Euro/foreign version. Or might be the taxicab configuration...

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    So Europe gets the purported 40 to 45 MPG diesel engine AND a bench in the cargo van? (The red Connect has rear side windows; the white does not.) I'll swing by a Ford dealership to learn if that bench can be purchased through them, and I'll also check with a van conversion company. I'd like to have dollar amounts for the options - 1) wagon in which the two rows of seats fold down completely flat (I have that quote), and 2) cargo van with one bench (I do not have that).
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    Does anybody have a hitch rack on these? We are in the market for a new vehicle and a dealer has 2014 wagons at a decent price. But we need to install a hitch rack and I was wondering if the lift gate and a loaded rack play well together.

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    By the way, at a south Denver Ford dealership, I found an old brochure from 2010 or 2011 in which having the bench in the Transit Connect van (not wagon) was a more popular option. I saw that configuration in a 2011 on eBay but not in any of the dealerships' inventory. I guess no one wants it today. The commercial van salesman said I could only get the bench today on a van as a custom order; it'd take about six months, and he wasn't inclined to place that order for me. All of the recent snow has reminded me that I like AWD, so I'll forego the TC's awesome cargo space for an Outback for my next car purchase.

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    As to the rear hitch rack, do you know, Minimalist, how well these racks do with two vs four bike trays? I heard four bikes are way too bouncy.

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    If I were in the market today, I'd take a hard look at the new Ram ProMaster City van. The passenger version has a rear bench that folds up and leaves nearly as much cargo room behind it as the Transit Connect van with no rear seat at all. I like the interior better, too, and it is available with heated seats. (no heated seats except in the Titanium trim wagon was a big disappointment to me in the Ford) Just have to put your faith in Chrysler/Fiat reliability which is a bit of a tall order for me...

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    Would love this thing in a diesel. Great gas milage and torque ftw.
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    The specs for the Promaster City outshine the Transit Connect, indeed; slightly better cargo space and MPG. From what I recall with my research, the van for the most part is alive-and-kicking in Europe but some of the aspects of the one being brought to the US is a new merger of some of Chysler's and Fiat's technologies (which is a touch concerning, as that from what I read, neither is known for reliability). I had visited a couple Dodge dealerships in the Front Range (Colorado), but they were unsure of as to when the van would arrive. (They weren't even familiar w/ this little cargo van.) There is a helpful Youtube video that compares the three (Dodge, Ford, Nissan).

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    The only van I can find that is AWD is the Chevy Express. Ive shuttled pretty bad roads in mine and Im glad I have AWD. I can fit 5 bikes inside and 4 on the back.

    We have camped out of it. A queen sized blowup mattress fits in back.

    I get 18-20 mpg on the hwy and 16-18 mpg in town. BFG all terrain tires.










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    The Toyota Sienna minivan is available with AWD, FWIW...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveF View Post
    The Toyota Sienna minvan is available with AWD, FWIW...
    But has nowhere close to the amount of room as the Express. I had a Honda Odyssey for a few years but it just didn't have enough room.

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    Well, sure--that's what the "mini," means...I was mainly pointing it out as another AWD option...

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    Good job!

    Quote Originally Posted by Summertime View Post
    Can a bench be purchased for a cargo van? I found this configuration online looking at Ford Transit Connect photos; it didn't have a description. I'll swing by a dealership, but I am curious what configuration this is; it looks like the cargo van (as that there aren't rear windows on the sides) with a bench seat that folds. I like this set-up as that the simple bench doesn't detract that much from the cargo area (as that I'm looking for a bike hauler/road-tripping vehicle), but still provides the flexibility for five people.
    That photo is of the previous-generation TC. I've looked into them a lot now, and can say the following (when comparing cargo "van" to passenger "wagon")

    1) if you get a short wheelbase wagon, you can fold the 2nd row in half, you can tip it forward, and you can remove it entirely (60/40 split). With the 2nd row out, the cargo dimensions are almost identical to the cargo version. You lose an inch or two in height and width because of all the interior trim on the sides and the presence of a headliner, but it's very very close.

    2) If you get a long wheelbase wagon, you get 16" longer cargo area. The 2nd row of seats folds in half and then descends into the footwell, and the 3rd row of seats folds in half and can deploy a set of false floorboards to create a flat area all the way from the back to the front. This is neat, but you do lose ~8 inches of height in this case. I believe with a torx key and a few minutes, you can remove the 2nd and 3rd rows entirely, but they don't remove without tools like on the short wheelbase.

    So, while the spec sheet shows a loss in vertical height with the LWB passenger models, you can configure it however you want. It just takes tools, unlike with the SWB.

    3) Unlike the first-gen Transit Connect, there are major differences in creature comforts between the Van and Wagon models... As previous posters indicated, the Van models don't have sound insulation, interior trim, a headliner in back, or windows that roll down (if you get it with windows in back). In light of this, I'd lean towards the Wagon model so as to make it at least somewhat livable when not being used as a cargo van.

    Although the second gen TC gets a lower roof than the first generation high-roof (the only way it came in the US), even a SWB can fit a bike handily without removing anything. Not since the Element has anything provided so much interior capability in a vehicle with a length shorter than a Mazda 3 hatchback...

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    (yeah, I've spent way too much time looking into this myself...)

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    Can the rear panels be popped out and replaced with windows?

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    Can the rear panels be popped out and replaced with windows?
    They're welded in-it would be a chore. Windows can be selected as an option, though.

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    They're welded in-it would be a chore. Windows can be selected as an option, though.
    Indeed. Actually I believe they're adhesive'd in, and I believe there was a recall for the ones that were falling off (oops, all fixed now). If you get windows as an option, they're fixed and don't vent or roll down (as opposed to the Wagon version). If you were going all-in on the cargo van, you could just cut holes in the panels and put slider windows (I've seen that on several examples of the first-gen TC, a commercial truck shop or RV shop can take care of that too)

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    How many bikes will fit in the back of an extended Transit Connect van?

    It looks like the extended wheelbase version of the Transit Connect cargo van would allow me to put a bike in with its handlebars turned sideways. If I do that, how many bikes would fit side-by-side?

    I'm thinking if I can install a rack system attached to the floor of the van that I might be able to get four bikes in side-by-side.
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    Transit Connect Short Wheel Base, from a Honda Element Owner

    I have Honda Element 2004, that I have used for over 10 years now. The car only has 120, 000 miles, but have been looking at these Transit Connects since they came on the US market. The Honda Element has been a great car, I usually would run it with one, or both seats out. With Both seats out could fit a Mt. Bike (29er) with the front wheel off, and a roadbike with both wheels on. The issue I would like to solve is to have seats in the car at all times. Also the New Transit is based off the Focus so will have better car like handling compared to the Element. My issue is that I want the Wagon version with a number of features from the Cargo(vinyl Flooring( went to the dealer today to test my bike in the car, and thought I would post.

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    this is a Krampus 29+ bike, so if the car fit this all my other bikes will work. The seats go fully up like the seat next to it. The key is that there is space next to the seat and the sliding door. Unfortunately no dealer has the car I want so will have to order 8-12 weeks...... Here is what it would look like=:
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    By coincidence I've gotten to drive a Transit Connect LWB wagon for the last two days. I'm in the SF Bay Area this week for work and apparently most rental cars have been sold out due to NFL staff in town preparing for the Super Bowl. WOW, I LOVE THE TRANSIT CONNECT. It drives like a car yet has huge cargo space. Power is much better than I anticipated. I'm going to pop the hood to see if it has the 1.6 turbo or the 2.5L engine this morning. Been too busy to do this. haha.

    If I'm able to mount the bikes on the floor of a cargo van and turn handlebars so they are parallel to the top tube, how many bikes can fit in the back? I'm thinking that I might be able to get 4 bikes in the back esp with pedals off.

    BTW, the story of how I got the Transit Connect as a rental is pretty funny as well. I think the rental agent sizes me up as a typical guy when we have this conversation:

    Rental Agent ('RA'): Well, we're sold out of cars. I can offer you a Toyota Yaris
    Me: Ok...anything else?
    RA: Otherwise we only have minivans (spoken with a slightly negative and cynical tone)
    Me: What model of minivans? (We have a Honda Odyssey at home which is a great car esp for bike road trip so the perceived"negative" stereotype of the minivan doesn't bother me in the slightest.)
    RA: A Transit Connect wagon
    Me: I'll take it!

    She, for sure, didn't see that coming from a middle-aged male not traveling with little ones or with multiple work colleagues! LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectre View Post
    By coincidence I've gotten to drive a Transit Connect LWB wagon for the last two days. I'm in the SF Bay Area this week for work and apparently most rental cars have been sold out due to NFL staff in town preparing for the Super Bowl. WOW, I LOVE THE TRANSIT CONNECT. It drives like a car yet has huge cargo space. Power is much better than I anticipated. I'm going to pop the hood to see if it has the 1.6 turbo or the 2.5L engine this morning. Been too busy to do this. haha.

    If I'm able to mount the bikes on the floor of a cargo van and turn handlebars so they are parallel to the top tube, how many bikes can fit in the back? I'm thinking that I might be able to get 4 bikes in the back esp with pedals off.

    BTW, the story of how I got the Transit Connect as a rental is pretty funny as well. I think the rental agent sizes me up as a typical guy when we have this conversation:

    Rental Agent ('RA'): Well, we're sold out of cars. I can offer you a Toyota Yaris
    Me: Ok...anything else?
    RA: Otherwise we only have minivans (spoken with a slightly negative and cynical tone)
    Me: What model of minivans? (We have a Honda Odyssey at home which is a great car esp for bike road trip so the perceived"negative" stereotype of the minivan doesn't bother me in the slightest.)
    RA: A Transit Connect wagon
    Me: I'll take it!

    She, for sure, didn't see that coming from a middle-aged male not traveling with little ones or with multiple work colleagues! LOL

    If you're considering buying one, try the full size transit. It's actually a good daily driver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coke View Post
    If you're considering buying one, try the full size transit. It's actually a good daily driver.
    What do you like about the Transit vs the Transit Connect. Thanks.

    Also, what is the gas mileage like on the Transit? and with which engine?
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    What do you like about the Transit vs the Transit Connect. Thanks.

    Also, what is the gas mileage like on the Transit? and with which engine?
    Didn't mean to take this thread off topic, but will answer your questions.

    I have the 130" wheelbase with low roof and basic V6. I wanted the most reliable engine and a roof height that would fit in a garage, drive through, car wash, etc...

    It's much easier to drive than you'd think. Can cruise at 80+ with 1 finger on the steering wheel. Visibility is very good with the large windows and tow mirrors. Small turning radius.

    I like the extra space over the connect. I can carry multiple bikes with wheels on, tool box, ice chest, etc.... Also is big enough to camp in. Easier to change clothes before and after a ride.

    Has enough power to tow a trailer or easily pass someone.

    Gas mileage is typically 17-18. Most driving is around 70-75mph. On a couple trips with speed limits around 55-60 I've had over 19 mpg. I don't drive easy or try to maximize fuel economy. Also got a deal on the van because it had been on the lot a while, and unfortunately it doesn't have cruise control, which probably impacts mpg.

    I haven't driven a new connect, but did drive the old version the same day I bought my transit. Biggest reasons I didn't choose the connect was the amount of work involved to haul bikes and low power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coke View Post
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    Didn't mean to take this thread off topic, but will answer your questions.

    I have the 130" wheelbase with low roof and basic V6. I wanted the most reliable engine and a roof height that would fit in a garage, drive through, car wash, etc...

    It's much easier to drive than you'd think. Can cruise at 80+ with 1 finger on the steering wheel. Visibility is very good with the large windows and tow mirrors. Small turning radius.

    I like the extra space over the connect. I can carry multiple bikes with wheels on, tool box, ice chest, etc.... Also is big enough to camp in. Easier to change clothes before and after a ride.

    Has enough power to tow a trailer or easily pass someone.

    Gas mileage is typically 17-18. Most driving is around 70-75mph. On a couple trips with speed limits around 55-60 I've had over 19 mpg. I don't drive easy or try to maximize fuel economy. Also got a deal on the van because it had been on the lot a while, and unfortunately it doesn't have cruise control, which probably impacts mpg.

    I haven't driven a new connect, but did drive the old version the same day I bought my transit. Biggest reasons I didn't choose the connect was the amount of work involved to haul bikes and low power.
    Thanks for the info. That's useful.

    I think the Transit Connect is probably right for me for several reasons. The main usage will be for 3-4 bikes in the back for business use. With 3-4 bikes in place, I will not have other large cargo modules to consider other than perhaps a workstand.

    Gas mileage will be very important as this will be used in the SF Bay Area with horrendous traffic. The Transit Connect I'm driving this week is getting about 23-25 mpg in city only driving and 30+ in highway only driving at about 75-80mph.
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    I'm waiting for something the Connect's segment (tradesman vans) that is AWD and able to be lifted. Heck, I'd settle for whichever brand is the first to have a lift kit for the FWD models.

    The Mercedes Metris will be of similar size to the Connect, NV200, and ProMaster City, but will be RWD instead of FWD. That model overseas is called the Vito (or V250), is available in AWD and Terraranger makes a lift kit for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coke View Post
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    Biggest reasons I didn't choose the connect was the amount of work involved to haul bikes and low power.
    Just found out that the new version has a much higher powered engine.

    Old version: 136-hp, 128-lb-ft, naturally aspirated 2.0-liter four-cylinder i

    New engines: Base 169-hp 2.5-liter four-cylinder and Optional 178-hp 1.6-liter EcoBoost four-cylinder turbo for an extra $795

    I drove a Transit Connect wagon around for 2 days and finally took the time to pop the hood yesterday to figure out which engine version I was driving. It was the base 2.5L which was surprisingly responsive even merging in heavy traffic and 70-80 mph highway driving. Using the Sport mode on the automatic transmission definitely sharpen up the engine response.
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    I love these vans, they just need to make them more off-road friendly!
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    FWIW.. the Transit Connect is made in Turkey (or other country close) they are all equipped with no rear windows for import purposes. Then windows are added stateside. Not sure if there is a "dealer install" option at your local dealer, or if there is a special place you have to go to get it converted.

    I work at a Ford dealer on the Central Coast of CA, although not a vehicle salesman, I may be able to get people decent pricing on one of these or other.

    It should not take very long for companies like Sportsmobile/other to make an AWD/4WD version of the full size Transit.
    Our deal parts vehicle is a 2016 Transit high-roof, LWB with the 3.5 Ecoboost. Peppy, good mileage, and definitely driveable.

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    FWIW.. the Transit Connect is made in Turkey (or other country close) they are all equipped with no rear windows for import purposes. Then windows are added stateside. Not sure if there is a "dealer install" option at your local dealer, or if there is a special place you have to go to get it converted.
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    They are brought in with windows, and seats, as passenger vehicles, originally to get around the 25% import chicken tax. The seats are stripped out, and Windows removed and replaced with metal panels to convert them to cargo vehicles. Commercial vehicles imported to the US are subject to the tax, but passenger vehicles are not. Bring it in as passenger, and convert it here.

    I think it changed a few years ago, and ford still has to pay the import duty now.


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    That's right, I had it backwards. Oh well.
    There will always be some kind of cost to import, but its most likely less than the 25%. Those little buggers are expensive though! The TC shuttle van cost more than the our parts van did..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dribear View Post
    That's right, I had it backwards. Oh well.
    There will always be some kind of cost to import, but its most likely less than the 25%. Those little buggers are expensive though! The TC shuttle van cost more than the our parts van did..
    It is a 25% import tariff. That is why it took the foreign car companies so long to enter the pick up truck market. They needed to make them in the USA to avoid the tax.

    The chicken tax is also why old Volkswagen cargo vans are so rare. They were just starting to be imported when the tariff went in to effect, effectively pricing them out of the game.

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    Are they really that loud to drive? Considering a 2014+ Connect. Not sure about the wagon or what.

    The last car i had was really loud so I sound deadened all of the sides, doors and back with Peel and Seal. Didn't do the roof or floor as i read that the majority of loud noises come from the sides of the vehicle. I had good results. It took it down to a much more tolerable noise level.

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    Well the cargo vans really have no insullation. Although I do not recall our parts van being loud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dribear View Post
    It should not take very long for companies like Sportsmobile/other to make an AWD/4WD version of the full size Transit.
    Our deal parts vehicle is a 2016 Transit high-roof, LWB with the 3.5 Ecoboost. Peppy, good mileage, and definitely driveable.
    Quigley and Quadvan are already converting these full size to 4WD.


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    While that's certainly cool, I'd rather have a Transit Connect in AWD with a small lift and skids. Heck, I'd even be able to forgo the AWD option if somebody gave me a small tradesman wagon like the Connect/NV200/ProMaster City/Metris with Subaru Outback ride height.

    I'm almost half tempted to look if there is any ability to lift an AWD Sienna.
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    With all the discussion here about 4x4 vans, I'm surprised no one has mentioned that you can now factory order an MB Sprinter with 4x4 and even low range if you want it. It comes lifted 3.5" from the factory.

    Lots of dough, but I'm sure that Quigley Transit conversion is at least $60K, about what a well equipped 4x4 Sprinter Crew could be bought for if you didn't check every box.

    The 170" wheelbase version with a high roof is the closest you'll get to a 4x4 bus.

    15' by 5.5' behind the seats and 7' tall inside.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 88five-oh View Post
    Can't agree more. Ford always lets Europe have the cool power trains.

    We're moving to Germany later this summer and thinking about one of these for the family and bikes -- called the Grand Tourneo Connect over there. We'd get the 1.5 TDCI Diesel with 6-speed manual, I think?

    The rub is all the bike racks I see for this model seem to be limited to 3 bikes... and we need room for 4? Any European mtbr's understand this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by J_Westy View Post
    The rub is all the bike racks I see for this model seem to be limited to 3 bikes... and we need room for 4? Any European mtbr's understand this?
    I still don't quite understand the 3-bike limit. I see 60 kg listed, but guessing a lot has to do with conservative TÜV certification.

    Anyway, at the moment, I'm thinking of going with a Thule 973 with two extensions.

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    I'm not thrilled with the clamps, so if the rack tubing size is the same/similar, I'd rather add the Fiamma Bike-Block Pro clamps?

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    Quote Originally Posted by J_Westy View Post
    We're moving to Germany later this summer and thinking about one of these for the family and bikes -- called the Grand Tourneo Connect over there. We'd get the 1.5 TDCI Diesel with 6-speed manual, I think?
    We picked up our Tourneo last week!

    Quite similar to the US spec except for:
    :: 1.5 Ltr, 120 Hp TDCi
    :: 6 speed manual
    :: Slightly larger mirrors
    :: Rear fog lights
    :: Headlight height adjusters
    :: No antenna on the roof
    :: Cloth interior even on Titanium model

    Now to figure out the rack situation. Still thinking Thule 973, but need to research some more.

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    I saw no fewer than three of these at a local trail head recently. Struck up a conversation with a couple of guys about them, one that owned one of the three and another that was admiring one. The consensus seems to be that they are really well suited to bike hauling, camping etc.

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    Just wanted my 2 cents here.. We've been driving our 2015 Ford Transit Connect XL SWB cargo van for 1 year and have accumulated 23K miles. Although my biking days are over.. I just wanted to point out some of the things you've been saying or doing with the TC. First it would appear that and according to your images.. you're using the family van and not the cargo van.. Difference include the windows and the molded panels on the interior of the van, which takes up a lot of room inside the van..

    So as a suggestion, instead of purchasing the family van, why not go with the cargo version which still have the 2nd row seat floor mounts in tactic just covered up by a thick rubber mat. Several of your images indicate that the bikes you've placed inside the van appear to be touching the molded ceiling panels.. The cargo version would allow for more room in this instance.

    The other thing about the van and because it doesn't have all wheel drive, is that if you're thinking of installing a roof rack for the bikes.. or had the bikes mounted on the tail end.. this would lift the found end up significantly and could alter the path for driving. and I'm sure many of you are aware of this when mounting racks or carrier systems to other vehicles.

    Mounting a roof rack and placing the bikes on the rook thereafter.. on a currently already top heavy vehicle.. I don't see this ending very well.. Keeping the bikes and other equipment inside the van is the perfect solution.

    Lastly, although we like the current TC.. in my opinion that if I was still active in the bike world I would have opted for the high roof version TC or the 2010-2013 model years.. other wise, if you like the current TC just purchase the cargo version in order to gain more space and look for a second row seating when applicable.

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    I have the Transit 350 extended wheelbase wagon. The wagon is much quieter than the cargo van. I'm not sure why; I took the walls apart to check and there's not much sound deadening. I think Ford did a better job of adding some metal ribs so you don't have these giant reverberating panels like in the Sprinter. The wagon has a higher floor, and I think there might be insulation in there. My Sprinter crew van is very noisy and I spent a lot of time sound deadening. And it's still noisy.

    I didn't need all the seats but it wasn't all that much more $ to get a comfy loaded wagon, in the most common configuration (all the shuttle bus companies have this config) and take stuff out rather than get a cargo and tear my hair out trying to upfit it.

    EDIT: I was unwilling to jump through the hoops to add seats to a cargo van. It aint cheap (besides the seats, addl. reinforcements found in the wagon body are not present), and there may be issues with liability/insurance/registration.

    I've been a Honda/Toyota guy until the Sprinter. Both vans are much nicer than my 98 Tacoma. MBZ is frustrating. Ford has really improved a lot recently.

    That said at our vacation place I keep a beater '98 Sienna. You can find them all day long for $2.5k. Take a row of seats out and two bikes fit. The suspension on ours is so squishy you can fly over bad dirt roads in comfort, if not safely.

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    Was considering getting a Ford Transit Connect LWB wagon. Here are some photos of a rental LWB wagon with 20in 29er HT inside. For folks thinking about getting a TC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BonkMasterT View Post
    Was considering getting a Ford Transit Connect LWB wagon. Here are some photos of a rental LWB wagon with 20in 29er HT inside. For folks thinking about getting a TC.

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    I looked at a wagon at the local Ford dealership and the salesman wasn't able to fold the seats flat as you show in the photos. Were the seats removed in your rental vehicle? Or, maybe this salesman just didn't know how to fold the seats flat as in the photo?? Thanks.

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    I looked at a wagon at the local Ford dealership and the salesman wasn't able to fold the seats flat as you show in the photos. Were the seats removed in your rental vehicle? Or, maybe this salesman just didn't know how to fold the seats flat as in the photo?? Thanks.
    I think the latter. It's a whole process to fold the third and second row flat, so if salesman wasn't familiar, it's not necessarily obvious.
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    Salesman at the dealer I visited couldn't figure out the 3rd row seats either. I don't think the TC wagon is a big seller...

    The way the seats fold is different and a more involved process than a typical minivan (Sienna, Odyssey).

    3rd row seats are also pretty cramped. As a former 04 Odyssey owner, the TC is a much smaller vehicle for useable passenger+cargo space.

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    I've been researching vans. I need a bike/gear hauler that I can camp in. Have been mildly interested in the Transit Connect. A friend of mine recently bought a used 2015 lwb TC wagon. He can fold the rear seating so that at least two (maybe more) large fat-bikes can be transported inside, upright and with all the wheels on. I've ridden in it, and the passenger side was a comfortable ride. Still, I am not very excited about these.
    I might just have to go with a larger or full-sized van.
    That Ram Pro-Master city van looks interesting.
    I decided that fuel costs are no longer that big of a game-changer for me. I'll trade 10mpg for more room and comfort. I don't think I'll be driving a van more than 6 or 7k miles per year max, anyway, if even that much, and Ill be keeping my 2004 Forester for when I don't need a van.
    I'm definitely avoiding a used full-sized "conversion" or camper van with an old school V-8 engine. Never been into V-8s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PlutonicPlague View Post
    I've been researching vans. I need a bike/gear hauler that I can camp in. Have been mildly interested in the Transit Connect. A friend of mine recently bought a used 2015 lwb TC wagon. He can fold the rear seating so that at least two (maybe more) large fat-bikes can be transported inside, upright and with all the wheels on. I've ridden in it, and the passenger side was a comfortable ride. Still, I am not very excited about these.
    I might just have to go with a larger or full-sized van.
    That Ram Pro-Master city van looks interesting.
    I decided that fuel costs are no longer that big of a game-changer for me. I'll trade 10mpg for more room and comfort. I don't think I'll be driving a van more than 6 or 7k miles per year max, anyway, if even that much, and Ill be keeping my 2004 Forester for when I don't need a van.
    I'm definitely avoiding a used full-sized "conversion" or camper van with an old school V-8 engine. Never been into V-8s.
    Test drive a full size Transit. I've put around 30,000 miles on mine so far and have no regrets other than not getting cruise control lol.

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    A quick update: About to hit one year in on the 2016 Transit Connect XLT Ecoboost Wagon. It hasn't had a single problem in the first year and 15k of ownership. I know that should be expected of any new car, but it's still a pretty nice experience coming from Toyotas and worrying a bit about the Ford.

    Okay, it has a pretty rattle-y dash, and Sync sucks, but what else is new?
    If you get a short wheelbase wagon (passenger) model you can take the seats out without tools, but I do suggest for anybody trying to put big bikes in the back to get the long wheelbase... It takes the "rolling a bike in" factor from "just fits" to "fits with room to spare". Oh, and they discontinued the Ecoboost for 2017 so if you want cool turbo whistles while you drive you're going to have to get the big Transit.

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    I just realized that I am giving an update in this thread without stating the now-obvious: Bought one last year. The hoops I went through just to find a SWB Ecoboost wagon that wasn't white would take up an entire thread of their own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slonie View Post
    I just realized that I am giving an update in this thread without stating the now-obvious: Bought one last year. The hoops I went through just to find a SWB Ecoboost wagon that wasn't white would take up an entire thread of their own.
    How do you like the Ecoboost compared to the 2.5? I am kind of looking at them but local dealers only have the no turbo. I should stay I live at altitude and drive 100 miles a day. I feel like the turbo would be a better choice for me.

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    I'm super interested in a Transit Connect to replace my old but pretty reliable 99 Mazda B2500. My budget is low though, so I'm pretty much stuck with the first gen at this point, which is fine with me, I'm just worried about reliability horror stories I've read. I think a lot of this could be attributed to the fact that they're beat to shit by contractors and such. A first gen Focus is pretty reliable right? My only experience with Fords (other than my mom's HORRID old 84 Escort!) is my truck which has been pretty amazing. Parts are cheap and it's been dang reliable. I'll occasionally carry one passenger and the only cargo I'll be hauling (aside from the occasional trip to the hardware store for home stuff) is a Surly Krampus and my camping gear. I just like the idea of having the bike inside when I go into town and I'd like to sleep in it as well. The only other vehicles I can think of besides these city cargo vans that can fit a big MTB in it standing up are full size vans (probably my first choice but I live in the city and parallel parking a full size cargo van sounds hard) and maybe an Astro/Safari (also an option, although they haven't been made since 2005 and they sound difficult to work on). I guess there's the Element too but that seems to have the smallest interior space of the bunch. I want to be able to stretch all 5'11" of me out next to my bike.

    There's no point to my post other than to say I want one of these.

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    New Ford Transit Connect van-subvert.jpg
    I bought a first gen 2010 transit connect, wagon at the end of last summer. I was looking at getting a 2012 or 2013, but came across this black beauty with only 20,000 miles on it. I did look for the wagon model so I could have the seats if I needed them and with it I got the headliner all the way to the back. I found that there were quite a few lower mileage first gen wagons around. I have the XLT model. Now this is not a luxury vehicle, but for someone that has been driving real pickup trucks it has everything I need. The headroom is amazing in the first gen connects. It makes changing in the van easy, and loading bikes a breeze. I am currently running it with the 60 side of the split bench out and the 40 side folded up. I leave all of my bike stuff and clothes in the transit. This summer I will take the 40 side out when I go camping/riding. One of the main reasons I bought the Transit for was so I didn't have to haul my fat bike in the bed of my pickup or hanging off the back of a car in the snow and slush. The Transit works perfect for this. I have two cheap boot trays, one for each wheel. I can roll it in with snowy tires and they melt off into the boot trays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbmtb View Post
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    I bought a first gen 2010 transit connect, wagon at the end of last summer. I was looking at getting a 2012 or 2013, but came across this black beauty with only 20,000 miles on it. I did look for the wagon model so I could have the seats if I needed them and with it I got the headliner all the way to the back. I found that there were quite a few lower mileage first gen wagons around. I have the XLT model. Now this is not a luxury vehicle, but for someone that has been driving real pickup trucks it has everything I need. The headroom is amazing in the first gen connects. It makes changing in the van easy, and loading bikes a breeze. I am currently running it with the 60 side of the split bench out and the 40 side folded up. I leave all of my bike stuff and clothes in the transit. This summer I will take the 40 side out when I go camping/riding. One of the main reasons I bought the Transit for was so I didn't have to haul my fat bike in the bed of my pickup or hanging off the back of a car in the snow and slush. The Transit works perfect for this. I have two cheap boot trays, one for each wheel. I can roll it in with snowy tires and they melt off into the boot trays.

    This is exactly what I'm looking for.

    Could you post a photo the interior, looking towards the front from outside the rear of vehicle?

    And do you know if 2011 through 2013 models had that 60/40 2nd row bench seat option?

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    does anyone know if there is a "crew" version (2nd row of seats and windows behind driver, with cargo area and windowless panels behind that)? if so...

    -- what is the width between the walls, above the rear wheel wells?

    -- what is the depth of the cargo area, from the inside of the back door to the top of the 2nd row up seats, while seats are still in the upright position?

    -- are interior cargo dimensions different between older version (ie.: 2010) and the better looking "facelifted" version (ie.: 2017)?

    -- what is the interior like in the 2nd row passenger area? seats comfortable or purely for utility? insulated for sound, or just bare metal?

    -- is there an option for windowless back doors? maybe hatchback?

    and while we're at it, my actual preference is the transit custom, which is only sold as close as mexico. is it possible to get one

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    glad to have a dealer's advice.

    does anyone know if there is a "crew" version (2nd row of seats and windows behind driver, with cargo area and windowless panels behind that)? if so...

    -- what is the width between the walls, above the rear wheel wells?

    -- what is the depth of the cargo area, from the inside of the back door to the top of the 2nd row up seats, while seats are still in the upright position?

    -- are interior cargo dimensions different between older version (ie.: 2010) and the better looking "facelifted" version (ie.: 2017)?

    -- what is the interior like in the 2nd row passenger area? seats comfortable or purely for utility? insulated for sound, or just bare metal?

    -- is there an option for windowless back doors? maybe hatchback?

    and while we're at it, my actual preference is the transit custom, which is only sold as close as mexico. is it possible to get one

    hey, thanks

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    your ford expertise

    glad to have the advice of a dealer!

    does anyone know if there is a "crew" version (2nd row of seats and windows behind driver, with cargo area and windowless panels behind that)? if so...


    -- what is the width between the walls, above the rear wheel wells?


    -- what is the depth of the cargo area, from the inside of the back door to the top of the 2nd row up seats, while seats are still in the upright position?


    -- are interior cargo dimensions different between older version (ie.: 2010) and the better looking "facelifted" version (ie.: 2017)?


    -- what is the interior like in the 2nd row passenger area? seats comfortable or purely for utility? insulated for sound, or just bare metal?


    -- is there an option for windowless back doors? maybe hatchback?


    and while we're at it, my actual preference is the transit custom, which is only sold as close as mexico. is it possible to get one

    thanks very much

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    sorry about the tripple reply post everyone. i'm just learning how to use this tool

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