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    Quote Originally Posted by skottt160
    Note, this is not a personal attack on anyone, just observations.

    Prodigal Son, ironically, the way you chose to attack tunicatrails by definition applies to you as well. You say that he lives his life according to the standards he sees as best, and makes his actions fit accordingly. Then you say well, that gives you no right to impose your will on others.

    You live your life the same way. I do too. I am writing this because it seems like the best action for me to do at the time. So I do it. It would not be rational to live any other way. So now there is just all these different reference points coming in about what is right, what is wasteful, and what is not. You say he is not objective, and can't tell others what to do. I say you suffer from the exact same situation. Again, ironically, this post does too.

    This kind of represents my issue with much of the environmental movement. While I sympathize with many views, I can't really ally myself with them. The problem is end-based reasoning. Using end-based reasoning, anything is justifiable, or not justifiable. If we look at the earth and say, this is where we need to be, and doing actions that get us there are right, we will be in deep doodoo. Outlandish things can be justified, because the end goal makes them alright. The same goes for criticism too. Anything can be made to be bad, and not conducive towards the final goal. Personally, the way I think it should work is our actions and the things we live by should result in a world that is happy/sustainable/whatever, rather than the idea of that world dictating our current actions. For example, we could say that we want to be energy independent or something in ten years. That would be "good." Now, a way to do that would be to cull our population to a size that can live off the resources in our own area. That would result in a goal that is good, right? Action justified.
    I say no. What we live by should not determined by where we want to go, but where we go should be determined by how we live now.

    I guess what I'm saying is, your accusation of tunicatrails operates on faulty logic. You say people aren't held to his standards, because his voice is not objective. News flash, yours isn't either, and neither is mine.
    This is what I think:
    Where we want to go will have impact on how we live now; and how we live now will then lead to how we live in the future. Set up the goal, take actions, then we will get there. It is that simple!

    Just my two cents.

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    Sorry Highdell. I was responding to Tunica EnviroNazi, who responded to my post, but I didn't include the body of the post so it was confusing. My bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaybird
    Sorry Highdell. I was responding to Tunica EnviroNazi, who responded to my post, but I didn't include the body of the post so it was confusing. My bad.
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    After dragging the family around for 15 years with a jeep Cherokee and a small utility trailer tent camping we stepped up to a 23' Outback side loading toy hauler. room for the family, 3 motorcycles and the mtn bikes go in the truck. An 05 2500HD Silverado, chose to purchase a std trailer over a 5th wheel to maintain the truck storage space. The setup works great. We have had a bad camp experience, drunks next space over but that happens at MTB races too doesn't it? The only problem with the trailer set up is we don't get out as much as we would like.

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    Wow!

    When I started this thread two years ago I never woulda thought it woulda taken such a long roundabout journey out and back!

    We still have our Trail Mite, still love it. We've taken it across the USA and back 3 times now and will do it again in the years to come.

    But, we may downsize a bit. How 'bout this???
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    I like that^^ I wonder how much that thing weighs?

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    We have a 21 foot Bigfoot trailer that gives us 4 season Rv-ing fun.
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    on a singlespeed bike with a coaster brake pulling a homemade trailer. that kid flat out rules. there's gotta be more info on him out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot
    Ours is a '72 vintage TrailMite.

    What kind of travel rigs do the rest of you have?
    Cool little unit! Looks like fun.

    Ours is a 2002 VW Eurovan.

    Glad to see that Tunica stroke punched out. Getting awfully tired if these ice age... err global warming... er climate change... er carbon footprint statists telling others what to do.




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    Thidwick the 84 Westy

    Here's Thidwick the 84 Westy, rescued from the crap heap, recycled and refitted.
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    I took a couple of pictures of the old beater this weekend. It works great for our young family and keeps me on the trails.

    For those that are wondering, the bike did cost more.




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    I'd prefer a pop-up that fits in a standard garage so I don't have to deal with storage (hopefully sound logic) and I am looking on CL but any ideas on what to look for? Do pop-ups come with heat/air as well. Does all that run on propane? Looking for a bit of an edumication so I can search more intelligently. No plans on going to Louisiana but would like to explore the west.

    I already bought a used vehicle to pull the camper with so half the battle is over.

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    Those are nice campers.

    I really want an small camper trailer. I am looking for a used ford ranger with a v-6. I Looked at one today, but my mechanic said it was rusty underneath and not to buy it.

    I would love a tear drop camper but I want an indoor kitchen and would perfer a bathroom. I don't own much stuff and have a tiny dog. i am also small. I think I could live in a small camper and travel.

    Anybody have solar panels for thier RV? Would a small one charge a battery for a tiny camper? I don't want to camp at RV parks. National forest is free.

    As far as evo-friendly goes, my future ford ranger would not get bad gas milage and I would use far less electricity than if I lived in a house.

    Do any companies make pop-up truck bed campers for small trucks like the Rangers?

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    National Forest is free if you are camping at a primitive site. Most NF campgrounds, even those without hookups, run 8-12$ a night.

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    RidersofDslum,
    We have a solar panel on our small camper. It is always on and continuously charges a 12V battery mounted on the trailer tongue. Provides more than enough electricity to keep the batteries topped off, but it won't run non 12 volt electronics such as a/c or microwave. I have plugged in an inverter and used some hair clippers, though.
    I don't know any name brands, but I have seen many slide in campers for small pick ups.

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    My tent trailer

    Picked it up this summer for $1800, spent the next 5 weeks living in it with my wife and our German Shepard while traveling in BC. It was great!
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    Allowed us to sleep places like this
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    and ride trails like this.
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    Way better than my tent (which is an awesome tent), way cheaper than hotels or BnBs. Pulled easily with my 01 F150 and only cost me about 1-2 liters per 100km.
    Used it at one 24hr this summer, my wife has informed me that we will never be tenting at races again.

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    Awesome!

    Makes me jones to get out like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ewarnerusa
    RidersofDslum,
    We have a solar panel on our small camper. It is always on and continuously charges a 12V battery mounted on the trailer tongue. Provides more than enough electricity to keep the batteries topped off, but it won't run non 12 volt electronics such as a/c or microwave. I have plugged in an inverter and used some hair clippers, though.
    I don't know any name brands, but I have seen many slide in campers for small pick ups.
    About how much did it cost to do something like that? Would it run a heater over night with a charge?

    I did a little searchy searchy last night and found a lot of small campers a ford ranger could pull. They do have slide ins for this model but they are really small and don't have bathrooms. the trailers looked better for me.

    I am sick of paying high rent to live in the mountains and having crazy roomates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RidersofDslum
    About how much did it cost to do something like that? Would it run a heater over night with a charge?

    I did a little searchy searchy last night and found a lot of small campers a ford ranger could pull. They do have slide ins for this model but they are really small and don't have bathrooms. the trailers looked better for me.

    I am sick of paying high rent to live in the mountains and having crazy roomates.

    You can find lots of information on extended off grid camping here.

    http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/
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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Giggity
    You can find lots of information on extended off grid camping here.

    http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/
    Great site, been on it for a while, those adventure trailers are sick.....
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    Going on a biking trip in a couple weeks here where we will be sleeping at the trailhead and figuring I didn't want to sleep in a tent on the ground, I found out that with my rear seats folded flat, I can sleep in the car. It's an '02 Protege5. So I guess until I can build a Teardrop, the wagon (techincally a hatchback, but it looks more like a wagon) will be my "RV".

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    back when I had no money in the 90's I camped everywhere. Now that I am older and have a family we have a 31 foot C class RV.

    like someone else said.....nothing like roughing it with a hot shower, AC, full kitchen and Satellite TV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RidersofDslum
    About how much did it cost to do something like that? Would it run a heater over night with a charge?

    I did a little searchy searchy last night and found a lot of small campers a ford ranger could pull. They do have slide ins for this model but they are really small and don't have bathrooms. the trailers looked better for me.

    I am sick of paying high rent to live in the mountains and having crazy roomates.
    We bought the camper used from a couple that had it put in when new. I don't know about a heater, those usually require a lot of electricity. In theory, anything you can plug into a 12V power should work because there is a cigarette lighter type outlet in the camper. When exposed to sunlight it continuously tops off the battery like a vehicle's alternator. There is a little panel inside that tells you how much voltage and current are being produced. All the fans and lights in the camper run off the 12V battery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TunicaTrails
    Thanks for your comments, HotBlack. My goal on this thread was absolutely to provide some kind of retort to post after post of people unabashedly proud of what they're doing with their RVs, something I see as terrible to a tragicomic degree. The vitriolic attacks I'm getting, with folks like Prodigal Son doing their best to research my personal life, but most others just lazily saying "go f yourself," are still both just attempts to distract from the issue at hand, which is RV usage and how incredibly wasteful it is.

    I do use less resources than most of you all. There is an empirical measure of this. I could do better, but guess what, I don't have to be the Ghandi of environmentalism in order to hold my views, and neither do you all! All I'm asking is for others not to be so grossly, thoughtlessly wasteful.

    RV owners I gather could do much, much, much, much, much better.
    http://atlas.aaas.org/index.php?part=2

    Thankfully RV sales are in sharp decline, and like second hand smoke, I believe it's an issue that should continue to be chased "out of the building" like the once all-powerful tobacco lobby:
    http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2008...l-grade-ahead/
    http://www.rvbusiness.com/2009/06/st...bles-down-395/

    You can be certain (absolutely) that I would be living off the grid if I could afford it. Last year I talked with three contractors about it. Again, like I've said, many green strategies have their own rewards; in the long run it would save me money. I've researched hydroelectric and solar dishes too; I have a plan, I'm not going to throw up my hands because these problems seem too complex and demanding right now.

    Hey, look at Jay Leno, a man who loves his classic automobiles. He has an ancient electric car, and a new Tesla roadster. He understands the entire history of motor vehicles. His massive garage is also completely off the grid, he even sells back power to the electric company. All I have to say is, wow. If all people, of means or poor, indulged their fantasies in the intelligent, considered fashion that Mr. Leno does, we wouldn't have a problem.
    Any way we can help you get off the grid faster?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TunicaTrails
    The answer to the pollution cost of solar cell production in China or anywhere: very little
    http://www.chem.uu.nl/nws/www/research/e&e/e&e_rena.htm
    Its cost could be exacerbated of course if the cells are not durable. So far, so good, and we're not talking about a massive amount of material regardless.

    RV's or other vehicles on the other hand should be used as long as possible I agree, even if they're less energy efficient than a new car. Housing, I don't know. My mother lives in a 1930s-era house with poor insulation. Very little new material has been expended to keep the house standing but it certainly leaks energy vs new energy-efficient construction.

    I prefer grid-tied solar systems. I use my small starter solar system just to power battery chargers for AA rechargable batteries and so on. The ideal with a large grid-tied system would be to generate more electricity than you use overall and sell it back to the power company during the day, not for the small change it'd earn of course, but being your own zero-emissions power company. Show me an RV covered with solar panels and I'll be duly impressed.

    I would counter that it's easier to question the source of criticism than it is to more accurately judge what we all know is going on. When we dissolve into relativism, there's a danger of shrugging the whole sustainability thing off with "it's quite too complicated." I'm not going to do that. Kudos to guys like sean salach who also have details of a plan to improve their own environmental impact (and quality of life). That's how you get it done.
    Holy crap, shut your whiney ass! I grew up in south La (Lafayette) and all of the trails south of Ruston SUCK. You live in the land of morons, dude. Like you said, it's your choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Giggity
    I am going to let my rig idle for an hour each time you post. .

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    Here's my current setup: 2008 Nissan Xterra pulling a Fleetwood Americana tent trailer. As you can see, I have two cartop boxes mounted on the tent trailer for storing all the camping gear and firewood, and I've modified my Thule Ridgeline hitch mount rack to work with a Valley double receiver. Works perfectly.








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    Quote Originally Posted by chiplikestoridehisbike
    Here are some photos of the SylvanSport Go





    A very cool pop up that is designed for outdoor sports. Only weighs 800lbs. Kind of a base camp tent on a trailer. It is set up to accept standard bike rack rails.The pop up can be pulled low or high to give you an option to pull motorcycles or larger gear. There is a great pdf and flash presentation on their web page. http://www.sylvansport.com Starts at $6,200
    That think is exactly what i have been looking for. I got rid of my truck to get a subaru. The MPG on the truck was killing me. Now i need something really light that i can trailer for camping. But not kill my MPG on longer trips.

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    In the intrests of....

    Keeping this thread on track...

    I debated all kinds of options after using my mom's 27ft class C for 2 trips to Moab (2 weeks once, and then 1 week). Trailer...I lusted after an Airstream...too expensive...even the little tent convertible one. Thought about a pop up. But, I liked being able to get a sandwich on the side of the road. Ain't happening with a pop up trailer. Thought about a Class B. Found out about the 4x4 Sportsmobile van conversion....COOL! But way EXPENSIVE.

    I also get moved around on average every 2 years for work and have other toys I prefer to take with me. So, being able to tow with my camping rig was a priority. But, I hate towing and prefer not to do it. Don't like the decreased maneuverability when towing. I also wanted to be comfortable in May in Moab....and December in Yosemite or somewhere else playing in the snow.

    I normally camp away from CGs...near as possible to trail heads. I have a 110W solar panel that keeps my batteries topped off and only have an issue if I park under shade.

    This is my solution.



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    1968 boler camper

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot
    What kind of travel rigs do the rest of you have?
    Not mine, but sure has style points!

    http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifie....php?id=845560


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    Probably the most famous pick-up camper ever, John Steinbeck's Rocinante.
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    Truly a wealth of useless information.


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    Just have to figure out how to get the bikes on it




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    ... and if we just ... My Restored 61' aristocrat

    A friend of mine lived in this while going college. It was up on blocks and painted white. Took some work to get it into this condition. I'm thinking of mounting a repair rack and bench on back. I put a shower,full kitchen ,table ,ac/heat, microwave , tv, dvd and a foldout fullsize bed inside. Great for mtb trips.

    Klay, love the VW rv...
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    Quote Originally Posted by wanderoo222
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    Wow that looks nice! Interior shots please!

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    Towing it with an Xterra

    (Does the TV antenna fold down?)

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    More pics

    Yep, The antenna folds down. I hope to get satellite eventually, But the antenna looks cool! My wife and mother in-law made the curtains.
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    That's a very cool trailer, wanderoo222
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    Quote Originally Posted by wanderoo222
    A friend of mine lived in this while going college. It was up on blocks and painted white. Took some work to get it into this condition. I'm thinking of mounting a repair rack and bench on back. I put a shower,full kitchen ,table ,ac/heat, microwave , tv, dvd and a foldout fullsize bed inside. Great for mtb trips.

    Klay, love the VW rv...

    That thing rocks. Nice work. My brother has the same model. I sent him pics of yours as inspiration.
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    61 aristocrat

    DJ, I'd like to see pics of your brothers rv. I didn't take any "before" pics. I have not been able to fine anyone with pics of this model of rv on the net. Where does he live? thanks

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    I've joined the club!!! Here is a pic of my 07 VW Jetta 2.5 and my 07 Little Guy 5 Wide Platform in Sedona AZ last week.

    http://www.golittleguy.com/teardrops...wide-platform/

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    Good job!

    Very nice, Teardrops are way cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by klay



    TIGHT!!!!!! I love it. My wife would choke me out if I brought that home.

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    Oh yeah, has anyone with a pop up had to repair the canvas? I've got my eye on a 6' unit but the canvas has torn near one of the seams that slide into the frame and one of the windows is cut. Just wondering what the repair cost might be. The canvas looks pretty recent otherwise.

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    It could still be yours!!!

    http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifie....php?id=846711

    I think the price keeps going down, maybe in a few weeks they would pay someone to take it.


    Quote Originally Posted by thebronze
    TIGHT!!!!!! I love it. My wife would choke me out if I brought that home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fred-da-trog
    I'm perfectly happy camping in a tent. My wife is not. We have a 5th wheel that looks like all the others.

    I spotted this diamond in the rough at a storage yard.

    It's so ugly it's beautiful.
    WHOA!!! I WANT!!!! That is one awseome RV

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    The Wife and I have use different set up depending on where we are going. While I miss our old pop up we no longer have it, a good buddy of ours does. Here are a few pics of the different ways





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    A good read...

    Here's a good take on the joys of lil trailer like our Trail Mite...Bolers, Scamps, Casitas, Escapes, etc.

    Sometimes less is more. Sometimes less is just enough.

    http://www.naturalhomemagazine.com/P...of-Wisdom.aspx


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    Bigfoot - Did you ever rig up your shower for your trailer? Wondering how that turned out. I have an opportunity to buy a '78 Boler locally and trying to collect some info on these little things.

    Thanks,

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    No...

    Quote Originally Posted by lanpope
    Bigfoot - Did you ever rig up your shower for your trailer? Wondering how that turned out. I have an opportunity to buy a '78 Boler locally and trying to collect some info on these little things.

    Thanks,

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    No, I never did the shower mod. Instead I got a collasible shower enclosure and a sun shower, which allows us more freedom as to where we use it. When we're boondocking for instance, it's easier and more private to be able to go hang the enclosure and shower in a tree nearby. I do plan on still getting a propane water heater, though. Sometimes there's just not enough sunlight to get the sun shower up to a usable temp.

    For more information on Bolers, Scamps, etc., than you ever thought possible, visit www.fiberglassrv.com.

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    Too bad about all the anti-RV sentiment. Anyway, this rig works well for us. Sometimes we don't go home for months at a time.Name:  68 C11 and Cherokee.JPG
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    It all looked so flat on Google Earth!

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