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    Why? Why a Cannondale?

    Went to the LBS yesterday to do some adjustments to my Rush, I know the owner and he's a nice guy overall. He doesn't sell Cannondales, just the regular Trek, etc.

    Here's a part of our conversation:
    LBS: Why, why a Cannondale?
    Me: Why not.
    LBS: (Laughs) Cause they're too weird, complicated and their technology sucks.
    Me: Why do you think that?
    LBS: Well, other mfg haven't adopted the Headshock or the Lefty, if it was better than everything else you'll see those parts on other brands.
    Me: Perhaps you're right, but I really like my bike, and I don't have any complaint with the Lefty, in fact I like it better that regular forks it's so smooth.
    LBS: Wait till you have a problem with that fork, no one will be able to fix it, they're disposable.
    Me: I guess I'll take my chances then since I don't have an option.

    I had this big smile inside, and couldn't help but think "God bless the ignorant". Honestly, what's going on with people? Why do they feel intimidated by Cdale? I've never said my bike is better than yours to anyone and never will, and I didn't feel offended by this guy's words, I just want to hear your experiences with other people, and I have too much free time I guess

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    People just can't get their heads around the lefty. I get a comment nearly every time I ride my Prophet like "Where's the other half of your fork?" and every time I fall off they will blame the fork.

    I think that people think the bike looks unbalanced and I guess they do look odd from the front. I tend to like qwerky designs, especially when they work so well.

    Personally I like it when companies try different things and the lefty works great. Scott have their pull shocks and now Specialized are doing their own forks (not sure they are so good yet though). I think variety is good. It would be boring if every bike came with Fox forks.

    It is a pity that in the UK the lefty only comes on the most expensive model now though. With a regular fork fitted the Prohet is just like every other single pivot bike (nicer weld finishing though). I'm glad I bought mine 2 years ago when they all had leftys.
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    What about us Cannondale owners who aren't really interested in the Lefty? I had the Headshock in my previous Cannondale and dug it, but prefer my forks with two sexy legs. Maybe we should ask why we all like Cannondale? For me it's their solid frames pure and simple. You others? Was it really just/mainly the Lefty?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin G
    Maybe we should ask why we all like Cannondale? For me it's their solid frames pure and simple.

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    P.S. For the true DH bike I plan to get next year I'm still considering Cannondale (the Perp) because I've been a faithful customer for years, but this rig may be the first I deviate on.

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    I got my first C'dale when I was 13 years old, it was a Super V (what a dream bike)
    Today after 15 years (people still think it's state of the art when I am riding it in my town and on the trails) I used it for XC racing and light freeride and took good care of it - it still looks like brand new (Superb Frame protection coating and finish...)

    Last year i bought myself a new Prophet 2 MX and upgraded it to a uber MX1. I love the ride, no other bike manufacturer compares to C'dale but Santa Cruz and Specialized build good bikes too.

    C'dales are like sports cars, when you take care of them and clean them after every ride you will have a bike for life time. I have allready 2 C'dales and the investment is one of the best investments I've ever made.

    Buy a C'dale without any expectations... and get blown away by its pure hand made quality.

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    people are ignorant. and most of the people who say that have never ridden one. people just mock whats different. heck i remember using an macintosh plus back in 87 with a weird thing, a mouse. everybody said.. macs are weird. and that mouse is stupid. any time anybody is differnent people mock.... i usually say, have you ridden a lefty? they usually say no.. and i just say, try it 1st.. or just walk away.

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    It just feels right

    Here is my F5 purchased about a week ago



    I tested many bikes before I made the choice (Trek 7.2 FX, 7.5 FX, Specialized Globe, Gary Fisher Wahoo Disc, Scott Reflex 45, Giant Yukon...)

    When I get to try the Cannondale, I feel like I'm riding a tank. It's the most solid of them all bikes I've tried. I also admires the workmanship. There is no rippling on the weld bead. They actually took the extra step to grind them smooth.

    My final choices are the Wahoo Disc and the Cannondale. I have to say it was a no-brainer.

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    this is my problem frequently with LBSs.

    I hear people, support your LBS, support your LBS, support your LBS. They have such a tough time... blah blah.

    The problem is 1/2 of LBS suck!

    Dont get me wrong, as long as I get good service and selection and knowledgeable people I will be a loyal customer....

    A few weeks ago, I had a guy at a sh!+y shop tell me I should shop there since they are closer to my house. Mind you I got crap service and the guy had no knowledge and didnt have what I wanted in stock.

    There are a few good LBS and I have mine....

    Thats all, my rant is done..... just my $.02

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    Quote Originally Posted by Urnicus
    this is my problem frequently with LBSs.

    I hear people, support your LBS, support your LBS, support your LBS. They have such a tough time... blah blah.

    The problem is 1/2 of LBS suck!

    Dont get me wrong, as long as I get good service and selection and knowledgeable people I will be a loyal customer....

    A few weeks ago, I had a guy at a sh!+y shop tell me I should shop there since they are closer to my house. Mind you I got crap service and the guy had no knowledge and didnt have what I wanted in stock.

    There are a few good LBS and I have mine....

    Thats all, my rant is done..... just my $.02

    i agree... most shops suck. but its mainly the punk kids working there. its kinda the walmart attitude i always get. i brought my 99 cannondale F900 in, and all i got was, oh man... this is a old one. i said, its a fricken 1999. and at another bike shop, i was buying hayes disc brackets.. and they guy said, what bike is this for... cannondale. oh, your on your own. they are totally different.. i said. its a 160 rotor! its all the same.

    what-ever...

    just my rant......

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    I'll try to describe my duality, which I come to every time I think over the question as above.

    Just to understand overall circumstances, I'm living in small, frustrated central european country, where even now the top-end products (not only bikes) are considered as for a kind of luxury. But the country (read nature) itself is really nice, and depsite spending a lot of my being abroad, I like it.

    I started to ride the bikes some beginning 90ties on local frame, built with XT of those times, and honestly saying, biking brought me new, but pure joy of moving in mountains, but besides biking I did paragliding too, which actually led me to an accident, and stop of all sport activities for a long time.

    Thenafter, 2 years ago I decide to start biking again, and in search of a bike came to my friend, which owns the LBS, although the LBS is not the closest to me. He got me 2005 Scalpel for test ride, and I loved the bike for its speed and handling from the very first moment.

    Nevertheless, after few weeks of riding the threads on the seattube, where the frog link is attached to the front triangle, became damaged, and when came to country importer, it took a little while to get the replacement. I believe it was not in somebody personal fault, but just of size and therefore importance of local representative of C'dale.

    But, finally I got new frame, and I rode further on. Besides Scalpel, I got Rush for testriding too, and due to its much higher comfort loved it too. And finally, when new Carbon Rush appeared publicly, I knew I must have one. In March this year, when first pieces arrived here, I was pretty lucky to get one of Si2. And, was pretty happy with riding it, until technical problems occured again. First, problems with the diameter of the seattube (loose seatpost, causing stupid creaking, but frightening me more with collapse of the seattube), thenafter recall of Si carbon cranks, thenafter recall of Lefty, thenafter quite low durability of lacquer on frame...

    Assuming all those technical problems, and having the flawless experience with SC Blur LT as my second bike, I would say, I would never go for Cannondale again.

    But.... My problems is, that I can apply my rational thinking only to that part of my life, which is rational too. And in that concern, biking, bringing me emotional happines is a little different, and I know, that despite all the troubles, i just love the Cannondale for its technical extraordinarity and appearance, and for its capability to reset the everyday pain into pure happiness.

    Therefore, I say to all people, asking me some of those (stupid) questions - where's the second leg, why to pay so much for the bike etc...- you love it, or you hate it. But, for sure, Cannondale gives you an pure emotion, that's for sure. And, for sure, I personally love it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jiar577
    LBS: Well, other mfg haven't adopted the Headshock or the Lefty, if it was better than everything else you'll see those parts on other brands.
    I was always under the assumption that C'Dale held the rights to these technologies and other companies would have to pay to use them--not that they were any worse.

    I like C'Dale for its commitment to the frames they produce (lifetime warranty). I also like the attention to detail of my Rush's frame: the welds; the internal cable routing on the rear swingarm; and the oversized headtube for added strength.

    Plus C'Dale owners, although a loyal fan base, are not bike snobs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlipperyPete
    Plus C'Dale owners, although a loyal fan base, are not bike snobs.

    Yea, I would have to say I'm on the opposite end of the spectrum from being a snob....borderline redneck / hick.

    Me luv dat lefty tho

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    The reason you don't see a Lefty on another bike is because Cannondale hasn't sold them to any other manufacturers. My wife's crappy Manitou shock is on lots of bikes, and it's lame. So your LBS guy's logic is a little weak.

    One thing is certain, most humans think different = bad.

    Me, unless I can afford a locally built custom bike (eg IF, Seven) I'll stick with my "different," slightly less locally made Cannondales. I won't be buying any of their carbon ones that aren't made in the USA. Let's hope the non-Pennsylvanian-made CDales stay in the minority, or we'll be seeing more problems like Vlad described with his Carbon Rush.
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    I feel the same way about this. Based upon my signature, you can tell that I love Cannondales. Now of course, working at a shop I am going to be very biased to other companies. But honestly, I am fine with every other company except Trek. Recently (especially with there road bikes because they banked off Lance and now everyone and their mother has a Trek) I have been bashing on Trek. I dont know what it is about the company that I just dont like. Im sure since this is a Cannondale forum, you are going to hear many biased opinions in favor of Cannondale. To me, Cannondale has great technology, great customer service, and a great riding bike and I wish more people would steer away from the stereotypes that Cdales are expensive and crappy and just ride one.

    Now not to head towards the topic of road bikes since this a MTB forum, but answer me this: Trek has a $10,000 road bike. Cannondale makes a System Six Team Rep with full Campy Record and Fulcrum wheels that rides like a dream for $6000. Where does that extra $4000 come from? The frame? I highly doubt it.

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    I agree, I believe it is all relative to the quality of your LBS. I happen to have a shop that not only services lefty's, etc., but believes in the product as well. As for c-dale- snobbish is not the attitiude shown by anyone in these neck of the woods, besides, thats a personal trait, not the bikes. Love my prophet, but mostly ride my 93 chrome KV,the most beautiful bike I've owned period

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    My only question for Cannondale is that are they truly dedicated to the fast-rising segments of FR and DH? Seems like the company focuses mostly on road bikes and XC bikes. Just curious where their future investments will be. Or will they continue to dabble in each segment (i.e. Perp for DH, Prophet for AM, Rush for XC).

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    Ive ridden a Cdale with the lefty, it was a jyekll like 2004 i think. Anyway the lefty is great for XC becuase of it rigidity but i dont see why it's such a big improvement over a normal fork. Is it lighter or something?

    Anyway, nobody would adopt the lefty for DH/FR becuase of the risk of the hub separating right? Wouldn't a double legged fork with a thru axle be more stable?

    Thats just my speculation.

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    how many forks does your car have for each wheel?

    I love my lefty. AND...lest we forget, a stick in the front spokes will not throw you over the handlebars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RESISTANCE
    Ive ridden a Cdale with the lefty, it was a jyekll like 2004 i think. Anyway the lefty is great for XC becuase of it rigidity but i dont see why it's such a big improvement over a normal fork. Is it lighter or something?

    Anyway, nobody would adopt the lefty for DH/FR becuase of the risk of the hub separating right? Wouldn't a double legged fork with a thru axle be more stable?

    Thats just my speculation.

    I cant answer the DH/FR question because I'm not experienced with that at all..although I think your assumption is pretty close.

    As for 'Why a lefty?' here it is:

    Smooth: the Lefty uses Needle Bearings instead of Bushings which amounts for way less friction inside the fork.

    Stiffness: Up to 20% stiffer than leading forks with 2 stanchions

    Strength: Up to 200 Pounds more impact resistance over other forks

    Weight: RockShox SID World Cup (one of the most popluar hardcore cross-country racing forks) 3.10 pounds (and its only 80 mm travel....)

    Lefty Speed Carbon SL: 2.72 pounds....and its 110 mm travel, 30 mm more than XC forks that weigh more.

    I rest my case

    But really in the end..its all about personal preference..me personally, im in love with my lefty and dont plan on ever switching back...but for some people, its just not for them
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    I don't think the Lefty would apply to DH/FR and C-dale seems to agree as neither the Perp nor the Gemini are configured with one. But I think very few freeriders or downhillers pursue C-dale lately; and wonder if that'll change. Or if C-dale even cares.

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    I do complain that Cannondale discourages you from working on Headshoks yourself. But I still love the frames.

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    I love my cannondale. Its a 99 super v that i've been riding for a long time now. Many of my friends have gone through several bikes in the time I've had the cannondale and I'm still happy with it. When I bought it, the headshok blew away the regular forks on other bikes i tested. It still rides stiff and smooth. Not for long though, because soon it will be a long travel Uber-V with Fox suspension bits and jekyll swingarm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oilerfan30
    As for 'Why a lefty?' here it is:

    Smooth: the Lefty uses Needle Bearings instead of Bushings which amounts for way less friction inside the fork.

    Stiffness: Up to 20% stiffer than leading forks with 2 stanchions

    Strength: Up to 200 Pounds more impact resistance over other forks

    Weight: RockShox SID World Cup (one of the most popluar hardcore cross-country racing forks) 3.10 pounds (and its only 80 mm travel....)

    Lefty Speed Carbon SL: 2.72 pounds....and its 110 mm travel, 30 mm more than XC forks that weigh more.
    I ride and race XC and only seriously consider Cannondale mainly because of the Lefty. One other key advantage is geometry for the travel. Every other 100 mm travel fork I have tried feels like it is just a bit too high on the front end for aggressive steep climbs. The Lefty is the only fork with this much travel that feels right to me in such situations. The 90 mm Fox on the Specialized Stumpjumper hardtail (which my wife rides) is a good compromise, and I have considered that, but still the Lefty has all of the other advantages listed above (plus I don't want a hardtail - I think my Scalpel is the ultimate xc race bike. I do want to get a Rush though for trail riding and even a couple of the XC courses in my series).

    One note about the weight advantage. To be fair, doesn't a Lefty require at least a slightly heavier front wheel because of the larger hub? I'm not saying it isn't still a really good overall weight, but when you only compare the fork weights it seems to slighly skew the actual weight advantage of the Lefty. Or is a Lefty hub front wheel not any heavier than a regular hub front wheel? Any one have the numbers for comparison on, say Mavic Crossmax SLR Lefty and regular front wheels?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elno Lewis
    AND...lest we forget, a stick in the front spokes will not throw you over the handlebars.
    Are you sure about that? I have never had it happen but the stick would still hit the lefty stopping the wheel from turning. Maybe a small stick would just get pulled past the lefty but I doubt a big one would.

    I had a stick the thickness of a broom handle through the rear wheel on my Orange P7 hardtail last week. Luckily I was quick on the brakes and just bent a spoke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin G
    My only question for Cannondale is that are they truly dedicated to the fast-rising segments of FR and DH? Seems like the company focuses mostly on road bikes and XC bikes. Just curious where their future investments will be. Or will they continue to dabble in each segment (i.e. Perp for DH, Prophet for AM, Rush for XC).

    You are forgetting the Judge line it is full blown race bike . The judge is a huge improvement over the Gemini it replaced for Dh. They have the Perp for Freerideing plus some hard tail for dirt jumping . I think they are not as heavily promoted in this market as some other companies are. Such as Kona Specialises or Santa Cruz. I dont know why that is but they do have the bikes for it and some really good riders .Have ask Cannodale themself.

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    Lefty swing arm?

    Quote Originally Posted by Elno Lewis
    how many forks does your car have for each wheel?

    I love my lefty. AND...lest we forget, a stick in the front spokes will not throw you over the handlebars.

    Wouldn't it be cool to have a lefty swing arm to go with the fork? Or I guess a righty swing arm since the chain is on that side!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lwstrick
    Wouldn't it be cool to have a lefty swing arm to go with the fork? Or I guess a righty swing arm since the chain is on that side!!!!
    it would be a lefty swingarm too, unless you wanted to go disc-less

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    Quote Originally Posted by lwstrick
    Wouldn't it be cool to have a lefty swing arm to go with the fork? Or I guess a righty swing arm since the chain is on that side!!!!
    I've wanted to do a Slingshot with a Lefty...Half a bike !!!!

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    Beautiful frame quality and attention to detail. Stiff, responsive and light. Not afraid to innovate and push the norms. Good CS from my experience. Pretty.

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    The first time I saw a Lefty I fell in love with it. Just too friggin cool! I didn't know jack about bikes but I knew I wanted a C'Dale with the Lefty. I spent almost twice as much as I'd planned to get my '06 Rush 1000. At that time, I didn't even know the Rush was a new design!

    A few months later I bought a 2002 F600 with the Fatty. I just had to have one of each!

    Now I'm considering buying a road bike. I'm thinking about a Synapse Alloy 2. I go to the two local bike shops to get measured and figure out what size, componetry level, etc. I should be looking for, then head to the nearest C'Dale dealer (who is at least a town away) and see what my favorite manufacturer has to offer.

    I love their quality, their attention to detail, their innovative products, and the fact that it comes from the country I live in. I also like that their low-end bikes still use high-end frames, and that as parts wear out I'll be riding something worth upgrading.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheProphet
    Trek has a $10,000 road bike. Cannondale makes a System Six Team Rep with full Campy Record and Fulcrum wheels that rides like a dream for $6000. Where does that extra $4000 come from?
    Having Lance Armstrong's image plastered all over your product advertising vehicles. That's worth $4,000 to a lot of people.

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    There are several motorcycles with a lefty "swingarm" in the back. Let's not forget scooters - they are also one-sided in the back.
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    I've always liked Cannondale because they chose to innovate instead of just faxing out an order to Taiwan for what ever everyone else has, but I'll put a new sticker and paint scheme on it. I remember back in the mid to late 90's when I worked at a bike shop in Minneapolis, and all the shops got to hang out at QBP with a bunch of bike industry related companies. The Chris King brochure I picked up had a line in there that basically said " The most innovative and best products rivaled only by what Cannondale puts out." That shut up a lot of the Trek and Specialized fan bois I worked with at the time. Sadly, they seem to have slowed down in their innovation and just creating bikes that are just so awesome to look at that you just want to own it for that. The old super V and Delta V frames did that for me at a time when I could have bought a Fat Chance, Real Bontrager, Lawwill etc. All great bikes, but the ones I am looking at buying now that I have money are the C'dales, Moots, Ibis"real one" and the Fat Chance. I just built up a Gemini, a while back I was so excited to see a Fulcrum frame for sale. Unfortunately the seller got cold feet. I soo wanted that!!
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    Lefty is the reason

    Cannondale makes good bikes but I think the best reason to get one is the Lefty.
    I've owned Rockshox & Marz but the Lefty is far better for smoothness & control and it just looks different than anything out there. You just don't need a Cannondale frame for Lefty's anymore as there are several adaptors out on the market so you can fit a Lefty on most bikes. I've used my Lefty for 2 years now and it has been completely reliable.
    Right now it's not on a Cannondale frame.

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    I don't agree...

    Quote Originally Posted by Elno Lewis
    how many forks does your car have for each wheel?

    I love my lefty. AND...lest we forget, a stick in the front spokes will not throw you over the handlebars.

    Er.. this is kinda late but my car has double wishbone suspension, meaning that there is a
    <----> shape when looking at the car frame from the top with a shock about half way between the wishbone.... not a lefty lol.

    But the lighter less friction thing makes me want a cannondale for XC lol.

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